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[00:23:17] <RenatoSilva> This is from 2009. Does Eclipse has already incorporated this or do I still need this to do it?
[00:23:18] <RenatoSilva> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~renatosilva/+junk/testonsave/view/head:/testonsave.rb
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[00:41:12] <QbY> What is the favorite plugin for swing / wysiwyg development?
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[01:10:04] <rcjsuen> RenatoSilva: That's not in Eclipse.
[01:10:15] <rcjsuen> QbY: Try WindowBuilder I guess.
[01:10:56] <rcjsuen> Looks like there may be an #eclipse-hudson channel if anyone is interested. https://twitter.com/#!/mcculls/status/98165175110213634
[01:18:48] <RenatoSilva> WindowBuilder iirc was that famous proprietary plugin, the better for GUI building?
[01:19:33] <RenatoSilva> why did it become open source? nobody was buying it anymore? hah
[01:19:44] <RenatoSilva> what does it mean it's a just provisioned project?
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[01:22:08] <RenatoSilva> QbY: http://java.net/projects/abeille, but it's for JForms / Swing
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[01:23:25] <RenatoSilva> QbY: it's a GUI builder for JForms which keeps all GUI info in external XML files, not Java source code. You know, GUI code sucks as crap
[01:24:52] <Verkel> Google bought WindowBuilder and open-sourced it
[01:25:16] <RenatoSilva> oh
[01:26:18] <RenatoSilva> anyway I don't understand why abeille was abandoned, it is really nice. Btw it seems downloads were removed from there oO
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[01:34:48] <RenatoSilva> also, I don't understand how can a gui designer to not separate gui data from actual Java code in mid-2011?
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[01:35:31] <RenatoSilva> rcjsuen: do people still run tests manually, like once a day or something?
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[01:45:22] <rcjsuen> I run it manually anyway, yes.
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[02:01:52] <hemna> is there a source bundle for the org.eclipse.ui.navigator schema for plugin development?
[02:02:08] <hemna> org.eclipse.ui.source_3.6.2.M20110203-1100.jar  doesn't contain it
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[02:53:49] <asarch> How can I enable the RAD development for Java SE applications with SWT?
[02:56:34] <nbf> first you have to grow a mohawk and learn how to surfg
[03:01:13] <asarch> I mea, Rapid Application Development
[03:01:59] <RenatoSilva> what do you mean, how can it get faster?
[03:02:14] <RenatoSilva> a gui builder?
[03:02:16] <asarch> Just like Glade does with the GTK+ framework
[03:02:43] <RenatoSilva> new Eclipse includes WindowsBuilder
[03:03:04] <RenatoSilva> asarch: http://eclipse.org/indigo/
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[03:03:53] <asarch> Thank you
[03:03:57] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
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[05:57:23] <kebomix>  INFO: The server is running at http://localhost:9779/ , how to run the project directly on firefox rather than copy & paste?
[05:59:40] <ron> Window->Preferences->General->Web Browser
[06:00:32] <kebomix> ron: already done but nothing changed, i use google app engine plugin BTW
[06:01:12] <ron> I see. Not sure then.
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[09:30:40] <shevy> can eclipse be used easily for ruby projects of "medium" size? I am talking about ... just projects with around 30-200 .rb files (and some non .rb files too like yaml files, documentation stuff...) ... I think my single largest project won't exceed 500 different files for quite some years to come still
[09:37:57] <ron> shevy: shouldn't be a problem, as long as you have the RAM.
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[10:51:27] <anfab_> eclipse picks a default workspace to start with and does not ask for the location..how do i fix this?
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[10:53:37] <baedert> anfab_: there's a entry in the eclipse.ini
[10:54:18] <anfab_> baedert : would you happen to remember what entry it was?
[10:54:54] <baedert> lol or not :D I was wrong
[10:55:18] <baedert> do you want eclipse to ask you or do you want it to pick another default workspace?
[10:55:31] <anfab_> i want it to ask me..
[10:56:09] <baedert> then preferences->general->startup and shutdown->workspaces "prompt for workspace on startup" should work
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[11:07:16] <anfab_> thanks :)
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[11:08:59] <anfab_> baedert : that doesnt fix it
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[11:49:13] <mdirkse> hi, anyone know how I can get the eclipse xml formatter to *not* insert linebreaks after certain elements?
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[12:23:18] <anfab_> #startups
[12:24:46] <anfab_> #playframework
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[12:48:16] <ron> #mock
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[12:59:11] <t3rmInAt0r_> hello there! when I press the button "save console log to file" , where is this file stored?
[13:00:39] <cantoma> guys, is it ok to delete .metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.core.resources/.history/ in order to free some disk space ??
[13:00:55] <cantoma> mine is 6GB already
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[13:54:04] <Kingsy> is it possible that eclipse could be causing errors on my site?
[13:55:28] <ron> that question is *way* too vague.
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[14:01:34] <Kingsy> sorry, I mean, I have a website on a live server, (no js errors) when I packed it up, put it on my localhost into an eclipse project eclipse indexes it. It says there are various problems and warnings in the IDE itself
[14:02:29] <Kingsy> but after that happens.. firebug then starts giving my js errors.. stuff like "jQuery("#tabs").tabs is not a function" tabs is a function, and it works fine on the live server
[14:03:18] <briandealwis> Kingsy: you keep your source under version control, don't you?  Check the diffs.
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[14:50:03] <tockitj> is there a way to automate building eclipse .cproject file ?
[14:50:11] <tockitj> to start compilation from command shell ?
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[15:01:49] <ron> tockitj: you'd have better luck finding an answer in the ~forums
[15:01:49] <Arbalest> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/
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[15:17:14] <Kingsy> briandealwis: what do you mean by version control?
[15:17:35] <tockitj> run, thanks - but why forums, isnt this as good ?
[15:18:22] <ron> tockitj: unfortunately, no. Not many CDT users in the channel.
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[15:18:33] <ron> Kingsy: is that a serious question?
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[15:19:10] <briandealwis> Kingsy: cvs/svn/git/bzr or something ? basically do a diff on the source that's been deployed vs what you have in your IDE.
[15:19:20] <tockitj> thanx ron
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[15:19:56] <Kingsy> ron: yeah, I am just getting to grips with this IDE stuff
[15:20:16] <ron> Kingsy: it's got nothing to do with IDE though.
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[15:21:04] <ron> Kingsy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Code_Management
[15:21:35] <Kingsy> thanks I will read that
[15:23:18] <neure> hello
[15:23:41] <neure> does CDT have a separate channel?
[15:23:47] <neure> or can i ask about it here?
[15:24:40] <ron> neure: you can ask about it here, but your best luck is in the ~forums
[15:24:41] <Arbalest> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/
[15:24:56] <ron> Kingsy: generally speaking, eclipse also keeps history of your files so you can use that.
[15:25:19] <neure> i have a makefile project and i wonder if is possible to make codeanalysis do -include
[15:25:29] <Kingsy> I don't really understand why its happening. wierd.. hopefully that link will help
[15:25:40] <neure> i can only specify -I include paths but i see no way to do -include
[15:25:50] <ron> Kingsy: I doubt it will. can you explain your problem again please?
[15:26:00] <ron> and please mention which language you use.
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[15:27:26] <MikeJansen> doing java debugging in eclipse helios: I'm finding viewing collection contents very cumbersome.
[15:27:27] <MikeJansen> Is there any optimized way to see the actual contents of say HashMap's very concisely?
[15:29:16] <samuell> MikeJansen, You mean with code, or in the debugger?
[15:29:43] <MikeJansen> debugger
[15:30:04] <MikeJansen> i'm stepping through and it takes a long time to open the tree's and examine the contents
[15:30:14] <MikeJansen> i can do log dumps but i'm hoping to avoid that
[15:30:32] <samuell> Right ... unfort. don't think I know enough to answer that ...
[15:31:37] <MikeJansen> samuell: i appreciate you trying.  i'm all too often in the "don't know enough" category when it comes to java development...
[15:31:54] <ron> How would you want it to show?
[15:32:28] <samuell> MikeJansen, I found one way now: Hover over the variable, and you'll see a string representation in the lower part of the "yellow box"
[15:32:32] <MikeJansen> instead of having to drill down to look at contents, it would be good if i could open a tree and see a list of values or a list of key/values
[15:32:39] <Kingsy> ron: well, its a php project, it is working fine on the live server (php js) loads without errors, I then take a copy of that to my localhost host and open it in a eclipse project. eclipse then indexes the files and comes up with various warnings and errors (all of which come from the core of my platform) so I just need to ignore them, then when I load it from my localhost after that, I get js errors..
[15:32:56] <Kingsy> things like function does not exisit
[15:32:59] <Kingsy> exist*
[15:33:02] <mpiggott> MikeJansen: Normally you should just be able to click on it
[15:34:17] <ron> Kingsy: I see. Which eclipse PHP plugin do you use?
[15:34:29] <Kingsy> pdt
[15:34:38] <ron> latest version?
[15:35:04] <MikeJansen> mpiggott: i'll put a screen shot up of what i'm seeing.  one moment...
[15:35:13] <Kingsy> not sure, I will check
[15:35:38] <samuell> MikeJansen: True, as mpiggott says ... if I just click the variable in the variables view, I also see the string representation in the lower part ... but that lower part is sometimes hidden, so I tend to miss it myself (have to find the "border" with the mouse, and just resize it up a bit)
[15:35:47] <Kingsy> now something else is happening, I am in a file and it wont let me type <             when i do nothing happens when I type <a> it says >a< in black and I cant delete it
[15:35:51] <Kingsy> wtf
[15:36:03] <ron> Kingsy: screenshot?
[15:37:32] <Kingsy> k 1 sec
[15:38:24] <Kingsy> lol its working now .. man o man this is flakey
[15:41:58] <MikeJansen> samuell: mpiggott: the problem may be that the toString()'s on the objects in the collections are really crappy :(
[15:42:27] <MikeJansen> can i invoke a static method when in break mode in Eclipse passing it a local variable?
[15:43:00] <MikeJansen> i could just write my own dump methods that write the contents to the debug window and just invoke that manually
[15:43:46] <mpiggott> MikeJansen: You should be able to create new detail formatters
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[15:46:21] <MikeJansen> mpiggott: awesome.  that is perfect.  thanks
[15:46:33] <MikeJansen> http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t16350.html
[15:47:30] <ron> hmm.. that's cool. wasn't aware of it.
[15:47:39] <MikeJansen> thumbs up to #eclipse for being the friendliest forum i've come across for a novice java developer
[15:47:40] <ron> mpiggott: my m2e bug got a schedule!
[15:47:55] <ron> MikeJansen: have you been to ##java ? ;)
[15:48:03] <MikeJansen> ron: no comment
[15:48:06] <ron> hehe
[15:48:29] <mpiggott> ron: Yes yesterday morning I got about 40 emails when igor scheduled bugs :P
[15:48:38] <rcjsuen> right you can change the string representation as well as the tree structure if desired
[15:48:57] <ron> mpiggott: this is awesome. though I think my bug has a duplicate.
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[15:50:54] <rcjsuen> http://www.cavdar.net/2008/09/13/5-tips-for-debugging-java-code-in-eclipse/
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[16:30:53] <pimd> Is it possible to show lines next to blocks? For example between the braces of a method or for loop? Something like http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/203f22f4-3e9f-4dbb-befc-f2606835834e/showImage/18169.
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[16:33:31] <rsjoao> all, are there separate channels for each plugin ?
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[16:38:24] <rcjsuen> rsjoao: 99% of the case no
[16:38:31] <rcjsuen> pimd: no, there's an enhacnement request open anyway
[16:39:06] <pimd> rcjsuen: oh, ok. Thanks
[16:39:23] <rsjoao> thank you rcjsuen
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[16:53:31] <Kingsy> ron: so can you think of a reason why eclipse would be breaking my java script?
[16:53:45] <ron> Kingsy: no...
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[16:54:44] <Kingsy> weird, but ok, thanks
[16:55:21] <myusuf3_> rcjsuen,
[16:55:27] <myusuf3_> i have a couple of questions
[16:55:41] <myusuf3_> alot less technical than usual
[16:56:05] <myusuf3_> I was wondering if I could strip down eclipse to its core
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[16:59:25] <rcjsuen> Need more context.
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[17:00:32] <jmspeex> Can someone help me upgrade Eclipse to Indigo?
[17:00:46] <jmspeex> I've read this page: http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_upgrade_Eclipse%3F
[17:01:10] <jmspeex> but for some reason Help > Check for Updates  doesn't show Indigo
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[17:01:36] <jmspeex> (I've added the indigo repo and disabled the Helios one)
[17:02:04] <theresajayne> I cant run my eclipse, new install - giving me a org.eclipse.equinox.p2.core.ProvisionException: Unknown repository type on initial startup
[17:02:28] <theresajayne> how can i get eclipse working - or will i have to go back to netbeans
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[17:03:27] <theresajayne> just downloaded eclipse indigo 64 bit wondows
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[17:03:32] <theresajayne> windows
[17:04:03] <theresajayne> running windows 7 64 bit,
[17:04:47] <theresajayne> at file:/C:/eclipse-64/eclipse/configuration/org.eclipse.osgi/bundles/283/data/listener_1925729951/.
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[17:05:20] <theresajayne> folder is empty
[17:05:26] <ron> which java version?
[17:06:27] <theresajayne> javac = 1.6.0_23-ea
[17:06:41] <theresajayne> same for jre
[17:07:20] <theresajayne> openjdk 640bit server vm build 19.0.b06, mixed mode
[17:07:30] <ron> you run openjdk on windows?
[17:07:33] <theresajayne> 0=-
[17:07:57] <theresajayne> thats what it says when i go to cmd and type java -version
[17:08:08] <theresajayne> java version "1.6.0_23-ea" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_23-ea-b01) OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 19.0-b06, mixed mode)
[17:08:13] <ron> o_O
[17:08:22] <theresajayne> but i have only ever installed sun java
[17:08:24] <ron> how does one install openjdk on windows?
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[17:10:21] <theresajayne> maybe its the 64 bit version
[17:10:46] <theresajayne> its in Program Files/Java/jdk1.6.0_23
[17:11:40] <ron> which eclipse package did you download?
[17:11:47] <theresajayne> j2ee
[17:11:50] <theresajayne> 64 bit
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[17:11:57] <ron> hmm.. the same one I use.
[17:12:28] <theresajayne> Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers, 212 MB
[17:13:18] * theresajayne looks suspiciously at ron, don't i know you from somewhere sir :P
[17:13:31] <ron> duh.
[17:13:40] <theresajayne> :D
[17:13:54] <ron> can you try downloading it again?
[17:14:27] <theresajayne> should i get the 32 bit as well, i think with helios there was a problem where the 64 bit needed the 32 bit also on the system to work
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[17:14:58] <theresajayne> (or was it just i onlyt managed to get 32 bit working)
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[17:17:08] <theresajayne> and ron i have the Oracle 64 bit java installes
[17:17:40] <ron> a. you should get the 64 bit.
[17:17:54] <theresajayne> java(TM) SE Development Kit 6 Update 23 (64 Bit)
[17:17:56] <ron> b. the java -version you pasted is of openjdk, not sun.
[17:19:10] <theresajayne> and Java(TM) 6 Update 23 (64 bit)
[17:19:16] <rcjsuen> May want to try unziping again
[17:19:17] <theresajayne> also oracle
[17:19:22] <rcjsuen> also maybe should verify the authenticity of the file first
[17:19:42] <theresajayne> the only other java i have is Sun Java(TM) 6 Update 24
[17:20:47] <theresajayne> the java.exe on my path has a copyright file stating Oracle
[17:22:02] <theresajayne> i am just checking my whole disk for any other Javas, seems strange unless the 64 bit from oracle has openJDK in it
[17:22:11] <ron> theresajayne: the only thing that should interest you in that regard is what you get when you run in cmd 'java -version' no matter where you're located. that goes to your java home and what eclipse will effectively use.
[17:22:41] <ron> also, you're about 2 releases behind (ignoring Java 7 of course)
[17:23:17] <theresajayne> ok looks like there is a version in Adobe Dreamweaver
[17:23:22] <theresajayne> and Xampp
[17:23:49] <theresajayne> i wonder which one is on my path first
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[17:26:33] <theresajayne> ok confirmed,
[17:26:43] <theresajayne> Oracle 64 bit java IS OPENJDK
[17:26:51] <theresajayne> dir
[17:29:36] <ron> Mine is Oracle 64 bit and has no mention of openjdk.
[17:29:54] <ron> nevertheless, as stated before, you should retry extracting the zip or download it again.
[17:30:16] <theresajayne> just getting indigo 32 bit
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[17:32:09] <theresajayne> ok ron , 32 bit works fine
[17:32:20] <ron> I'm willing to bet 64 bit works fine too.
[17:32:33] <theresajayne> maybe now i have the 32 bit as well
[17:33:11] <theresajayne> nope still an error on a blank directory
[17:33:43] <ron> after doing what?
[17:33:52] <theresajayne> unpacking again and running it
[17:34:13] <theresajayne> org.eclipse.equinox.p2.core.ProvisionException: Unknown repository type at file:/C:/eclipse-64/eclipse/configuration/org.eclipse.osgi/bundles/283/data/listener_1925729951/.
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[17:34:39] <ron> okay, did you try downloading it again?
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[17:35:32] <theresajayne> yes
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[17:35:48] <theresajayne> it looks like i am not the only one - except the thread has been deleted
[17:36:02] <theresajayne> org.eclipse.equinox.p2.core.ProvisionException: Unknown repository type at ... /eclipse/configuration/org.eclipse.osgi/bundles/284/data/lis tener_1925729951/. ..... MESSAGE No repository found at file:/C:/eclipse/dropins/EclipseLink/. ...... I am using 64 bit java on a 64 bit eclipse platform and building some ...
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[17:36:20] <theresajayne> in the Eclipse community forums
[17:36:55] <JesusRifle> trying to install gwt plugin an its telling me I dont have org.eclipse.wst.common.project.facet.core , can anyone point me to what I need?
[17:37:26] <ron> do you have WST installed?
[17:37:38] <theresajayne> WST?
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[17:38:11] <ron> That was for JesusRifle...
[17:38:20] <JesusRifle> no i dont think so :P
[17:38:26] <ron> so install it :)
[17:38:28] <JesusRifle> I think he was answering me as well ron
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[17:38:48] <JesusRifle> yes im being blind I cant find the download link
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[17:38:58] <ron> wait
[17:39:06] <theresajayne> ok it looks like it is a known issue with 6.0_23 and 64 bit eclipse
[17:39:10] <ron> it's a bit odd since it should install it on its own.
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[17:39:36] <ron> theresajayne: told you have your version is two releases behind :)
[17:39:51] <ron> JesusRifle: do you remember which eclipse package you downloaded?
[17:39:54] <JesusRifle> ron im using eclipse from the arch linux repo, my guess is they dont include it?
[17:40:02] <ron> oh my.
[17:40:08] <ron> which version is that?
[17:40:19] * ron guesses 3.5
[17:41:00] <JesusRifle> 3.7
[17:41:25] <ron> oh.
[17:41:26] <ron> surprising :p
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[17:41:40] <ron> okay, go to Help->Install new software
[17:41:53] <JesusRifle> yeah sure im there
[17:41:59] <JesusRifle> using the update site http://download.eclipse.org/releases/indigo/
[17:42:04] <JesusRifle> not sure exactly what I need though
[17:42:04] <ron> choose Indigo - http://download.eclipse.org/releases/indigo as the update site
[17:42:11] <theresajayne> ron - i am up to date with the patches for java
[17:42:55] <ron> theresajayne: hmm... no.
[17:43:17] <JesusRifle> ron is it "WST server adapters" that I need?
[17:43:26] <ron> helindbe: no. use http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/repository/indigo for the update site
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[17:43:41] <ron> then mark the Web Tools Platform and install it.
[17:44:24] <ron> theresajayne: http://pastebin.com/vAhFedni
[17:44:37] <theresajayne> i just checked with the automatic java updater that runs in the back ground i am up to date
[17:44:46] <ron> it lies to you.
[17:44:52] <ron> which is not surprising for Oracle.
[17:46:41] <ron> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html <-- look, there's even U26.
[17:47:12] <JesusRifle> sorry ron which update site do I need? did you mean to say that to me or helindbe ?
[17:47:15] <theresajayne> ron whats the difference with windows-64-ml and windows-64
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[17:47:42] <ron> JesusRifle: err.. yeah, that update site was meant for you :)
[17:47:52] <ron> theresajayne: where do you see windows-64-ml?
[17:47:52] <MikeJansen> mpiggott__: thanks for the detail formatter pointer.  i'm a happy debugger now
[17:48:26] <theresajayne> on the downloads
[17:49:05] <JesusRifle> ok thanks ron think I've got it working :)
[17:49:20] <ron> theresajayne: are you looking at the jdk or jdk+ee?
[17:49:24] <theresajayne> Download     137.09 MB       java_ee_sdk-6u3-jdk7-windows-x64-ml.exe  Download     130.04 MB       java_ee_sdk-6u3-jdk7-windows-x64.exe
[17:49:25] <ron> JesusRifle: great :)
[17:49:39] <ron> theresajayne: right, why not just download the jdk and not the jdk+ee? :p
[17:50:16] <ron> that is: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk-6u26-download-400750.html
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[17:50:31] <theresajayne> the oracle site sucks
[17:50:37] <ron> true.
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[17:53:22] <theresajayne> i cant belive i have to upgrade to jdk7 to run eclipse though,
[17:53:47] <ron> what?!
[17:53:49] <ron> no!
[17:53:53] <ron> don't download jdk7!
[17:53:59] <ron> jdk6u26!
[17:54:30] <ron> I gave you the link to that too!
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[17:55:24] <ron> briandealwis!
[17:55:39] <briandealwis> I feel like I'm in Cheers :)
[17:55:49] <ron> :)
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[18:03:11] <vdv> is that normal, that xmi file generated by EMF refuses to load in ArgoUML? i get "No tag specifying a namespace uri is attached to MofPackage UML" parsing error
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[18:06:24] <theresajayne> ok ron, i actually did the latest 6 and 7 (as you can select what to compile to) and the 64 bit is running under 7 fine
[18:06:38] <ron> theresajayne: that's great news.
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[18:07:34] <theresajayne> still cant understand why it needed updating, why should i be forced to update my java if the company wants to stay on 1.4.2 but wants us to use eclipse....
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[18:08:05] <ron> well, I think eclipse *requires* Java5+
[18:08:11] <theresajayne> (not in this case but i know companies that do)
[18:08:14] <ron> unless you use an old version of eclipse
[18:08:17] <theresajayne> I had 1.6
[18:08:36] <theresajayne> but the 64 bit didnt work until i upgraded to 1.7
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[18:08:43] <ron> right, but you only needed to update from 1.6u23 to 1.6u26. for some reason you insisted on upgrading to 1.7 :)
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[18:09:02] <ron> it works fine for me with 1.6u25.
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[18:10:04] <theresajayne> well now its plugin hell
[18:11:34] <theresajayne> i have to get Emma, PMD, MAven, SPring,
[18:13:08] <ron> enjoy.
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[18:16:39] <helindbe> someone pinged me, but it looks like it was by mistake?
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[18:16:49] <ron> helindbe: yeah, my bad. sorry.
[18:17:13] <ron> helindbe: H and J are fairly close on the keyboard. The auto-nick-complete did the rest :)
[18:17:14] <helindbe> ron: np
[18:17:26] <helindbe> happens to me too
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[18:17:43] <ron> anyways, heading out. have a great evening.
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[18:26:21] <timotei> <timotei> <timotei> hmm... couldn't find on all internet: how am I supposed to enable the problem markers to show in my custom navigator?
[18:26:21] <timotei> <timotei> <timotei> in project explorer it appears
[18:26:21] <timotei> <timotei> <timotei> but in my navigator  ( extends CommonNavigator implements
[18:26:21] <timotei> <timotei> <timotei>         IPersistableElement, IElementFactory ) no
[18:26:34] <timotei> anyone has any clue on this?
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[20:00:52] <myusuf3_> what if I wanted to make eclipse faster
[20:01:08] <timotei> myusuf3_, nobody stops you :P
[20:01:29] <myusuf3_> faster in the sense less extra stuff to just write code
[20:01:53] <timotei> the same answer
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[21:31:00] <ron> hmm, just realized there's a quick way to create a setter. nice.
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[21:36:24] <mpiggott__> You can create constructors as well
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[21:42:15] <ron> mpiggott__: that one I knew ;)
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[21:42:42] <ron> was just surprised I can type setVariableName and it'll autocomplete it.
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