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[00:12:00] <HexGhost> hello. im having a problem with eclipse on mac, where when i run a junit test, it takes 30-45 seconds to actually run the test. and sits there saying "verifying launch attributes"
[00:12:05] <HexGhost> wondering if anyone has encountered this
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[00:14:08] <HexGhost> it's killing my productivity :(
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[00:45:56] <gringochapin> Hi all. Do I need to have different versions of Eclipse installed on my computer for different programming languages, or can I just install the extensions for each language I want to work with?
[00:46:21] <gringochapin> Currently I've got it setup for Java, as that's the version I downloaded, but I would like to also use it for PHP.
[00:48:48] <nitind> You can install it all into one if you want.  For example, the Java EE download supports Java, JavaScript, HTML, XML, JSP, CSS, DTD, and XSL in the same environment.
[00:49:24] <nitind> gringochapin: That download is just a prepackaged assembly.  See http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/topic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.user/tasks/tasks-124.htm
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[00:52:05] <gringochapin> Great. That's what I was hoping would be the case. thanks a lot! (sending this message again, because I don't think it went through the first time.
[00:52:19] <nitind> Indeed, it did not.
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[00:57:42] <psst> Using bnd, I can get a list of resources (great!) but I can't seem to assign them to a property in a service component; only the first value gets set, rather than a list of values.  Any ideas how to achieve something like this?
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[15:09:44] <user1> so I started using indigo and when trying to do ctrl+space content assist in an ant file eclipse speaks to me saying: "There is no text"
[15:09:49] <user1> how do I turn this off
[15:10:30] <rcjsuen> Turn what off
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[15:11:03] <user1> the voice that says there is no text
[15:11:29] <user1> but having to put the question in words gave an idea of what is causing it
[15:11:33] <rcjsuen> Can't say I've heard of Eclipse making sounds before.
[15:11:49] * ron glares at rcjsuen
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[15:12:54] <user1> yeah it might be some other program that has hijacked the ctrl+space
[15:13:24] <ron> oh, you literally meant you hear a voice from your computer?
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[15:13:42] <user1> yeah
[15:13:58] <ron> in that case
[15:14:06] * ron unglares at rcjsuen
[15:14:35] <paulweb515> rcjsuen: it occasionally beeps at me ...
[15:14:46] * jink beeps at paulweb515.
[15:16:33] <user1> ok pretty sure its not another program
[15:17:10] <ron> is this on windows?
[15:17:22] <user1> yeah
[15:17:36] <ron> did you try opening notepad, and clicking ctrl+space?
[15:18:32] <user1> good test
[15:18:40] <user1> yeah now I know its not eclipse
[15:18:42] <user1> thanks
[15:19:06] <ron> I should work at tech support.
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[15:39:10] <Thrawn> I'm looking for a good (non commercial) GUI designer for swing in eclipse. any suggestions?
[15:39:19] <ron> windowbuilder pro
[15:39:30] <Thrawn> thx :)
[15:44:34] <Thrawn> im using eclipse under ubuntu; i downloaded it via synaptics package manager from the official repos; and it got me 3.5.2 . I wonder why they dont put a newer version of eclipse in the repos
[15:45:32] <rcjsuen> probably because it's a lot of work
[15:46:04] <ron> Thrawn: don't do that. download from www.eclipse.org/downloads and that's it.
[15:47:29] <chrisinajar> does your bug tracker require creating an account?
[15:48:11] <rcjsuen> chrisinajar: Yes, you need a bugzilla account for Eclipse.org.
[15:49:45] <chrisinajar> ok, well here's the bug I found, someone else report it: If you detach any of the views from the bottom of the screen (console, servers, ..) and drag it over to a second monitor, then remove that monitor, that view becomes 100% innacessible via any method other than closing and reopening eclipse.
[15:50:17] <chrisinajar> it's not a big enough deal for me to make an account to report it...
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[15:50:37] <rcjsuen> Well, I wouldn't count on someone doing the bug reporting for you.
[15:50:58] <chrisinajar> trufacques
[15:51:21] <chrisinajar> not really worth making an account though, i'd rather just close and reopen eclipse when i get home from work each day
[15:52:08] <ron> heh
[15:52:14] <ron> gotta love the open source community
[15:52:25] <ron> you spend a whole lot time producing a product
[15:52:31] <ron> someone uses it, free of charge
[15:52:39] <ron> finds a bug
[15:53:18] <ron> and then 'can't be bothered' to do the least and report it since it 'requires to create a user in the tracking system'.
[15:53:43] <chrisinajar> gotta love open source developers, unless an issue is given to them on a silver platter they'll ignore it in favor of writing new features ;)
[15:53:58] <Thrawn> i always say, its not a bug! its a feature
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[15:54:34] <chrisinajar> (i do a bunch of open source development too, i'm not just being a dick :P)
[15:54:35] <rcjsuen> I think this is pretty much how open source is, you get as much as you put into it.
[15:54:42] <chrisinajar> yup
[15:54:43] <chrisinajar> that
[15:54:53] <chrisinajar> unless you're KDE
[15:54:59] <ron> chrisinajar: a, I'm not an open source developer and b, that was an idiotic remark. you expect bugs to be solved when the developers aren't even aware of it.
[15:55:10] <chrisinajar> in which case the amount of work is directly and inversely proportional with how usable the end product is
[15:56:01] <chrisinajar> ron: i think it's pretty true, i avoid bugfixing like it's the black death. I've had an open issue in libqxt's zeroconf wrapper assigned to me for like 6 months now
[15:56:21] <chrisinajar> i even already fixed it on my local version
[15:56:27] <chrisinajar> i just don't waaaaaaaaaaaant to
[15:57:10] <rcjsuen> tbh I think chrisinajar's bug is alrdy in bugzilla
[15:57:20] <chrisinajar> cool, even better
[15:57:33] <Thrawn> lo
[15:57:53] <Thrawn> "sorry for your time spent to report, but this is just a duplicate of..." :P
[15:58:23] <rcjsuen> It's better to file a duplicate than to not file a bug.
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[16:00:04] <ron> besides, afair, bugs can be searched without an account.
[16:00:23] <rcjsuen> chrisinajar: I am surprised your windows come back when you restart though.
[16:00:34] <rcjsuen> But I guess we added code to detect that it's outside and move it back
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[16:04:33] <chrisinajar> rcjsuen: perhaps. it opens fullscreen on the main monitor when you close/reopen.
[16:05:10] <chrisinajar> ron: it's mostly because i'm at work right now, btw
[16:05:12] <rcjsuen> one way to bring everything back is to just reset your perspective
[16:05:20] <chrisinajar> rcjsuen: which is done how?
[16:05:23] <rcjsuen> because then all the detached windows would be gone
[16:05:23] <chrisinajar> (that sounds useful!)
[16:05:28] <ron> chrisinajar: I'm at work now too! so?
[16:05:40] <chrisinajar> ron: i'm on my second week, can't waste too much time! :P
[16:05:49] <chrisinajar> there's java to be written!!
[16:05:51] <ron> chrisinajar: rrright.
[16:06:25] <chrisinajar> it turns out java is easier to write in than C++, who woulda thunk it.
[16:06:54] <nbf> depends on what you're doing ;)
[16:10:41] <chrisinajar> Well, ignoring the (IMHO) crippled (IMHO) features (IMHO) of the language (IMHO)...
[16:11:47] * ron sighs
[16:12:57] <Thrawn> lol
[16:13:03] <chrisinajar> while people are paying attention, what's the best channel to get java help in? ##java is a complete waste of time...
[16:13:05] <rcjsuen> Look under the 'Window' menu.
[16:13:22] <chrisinajar> rcjsuen: ah, awesome, thank you!
[16:13:27] <rcjsuen> I don't know if I'd say it's a waste of time.
[16:13:45] <Thrawn> i love the guys from #java.
[16:14:00] <chrisinajar> you just get yelled at for not knowing the language, and if you make any analogies to other languages they flame you wicked hard
[16:14:11] <Thrawn> ah
[16:14:20] <chrisinajar> which, knowing C++ a hellofalot better, i do a lot... like, "how would i do XYZ in Java?"
[16:14:21] <Thrawn> u dont have a sense for dreamreal's fun :P
[16:14:29] <rcjsuen> They expect you to do a big bulk of work, yes.
[16:14:31] <chrisinajar> i /ignored him in about 30 seconds
[16:14:52] <chrisinajar> i had 5 or 6 people flaming me while one guy helped me last time
[16:15:02] <chrisinajar> giving actual suggestions and telling me the terms to google
[16:15:24] <chrisinajar> because i didn't understand the interface/abstract shenanigans
[16:15:37] <rcjsuen> funny you mention it
[16:15:47] <rcjsuen> my friend is asking potential co-op students the difference between an interface and abstract classes
[16:16:08] <chrisinajar> if you've used java for more than a week, you should know
[16:16:15] <chrisinajar> i, on the other hand, just hit 1 week today :P
[16:16:36] <rcjsuen> I don't think I fully understood the concept while learning Java in high school.
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[16:17:47] <chrisinajar> what i don't like is that you can only inherit one abstract at a time (which according to ##java, multiple inheritence is "more trouble than it's worth")
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[16:18:17] <rcjsuen> well it is what it is
[16:18:21] <chrisinajar> yup
[16:18:27] <ron> well, it's just a different language paradigm. I don't think it's better or worse. each solution has its pros and cons.
[16:18:47] <chrisinajar> it's the same paradigm, just missing a feature: Multiple inheritence.
[16:18:51] <Thrawn> indigo is 3.7?
[16:18:56] <rcjsuen> Thrawn: Correct.
[16:18:58] <Thrawn> ty
[16:19:14] <ron> no, there are specific reasons not to allow multiple inheritance.
[16:19:23] <chrisinajar> orly? what's that?
[16:19:27] <rcjsuen> I'm not sure I'd say it's the same paradigm. But I guess we're getting off-topic here anyway.
[16:19:34] <chrisinajar> i haven't heard a non-flamewar explanation, i'm interested
[16:21:25] <ron> I think it mostly relates to readability of the code. multiple inheritance can, at times, be misleading, though I imagine there are other reasons as well.
[16:21:43] <chrisinajar> well, you can inherit any number of interfaces
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[16:21:58] <ron> you don't inherit them, that's just it.
[16:22:12] <ron> you basically declare that you use them.
[16:22:31] <ron> even if two interfaces have the same method signature, you'll only implement it once.
[16:22:46] <rcjsuen> Let's hope their API definitions aren't different :)
[16:22:58] <ron> of course.
[16:23:22] <chrisinajar> here's my guess as to why they don't support multiple inheritence: All functions are virtual in java, so if your two parents both reimplement a given function (like clone or toString) then the vm wont know which to call
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[16:24:00] <chrisinajar> though i would counter that and say, why not simply respect the order in which they're inherited, first class inherited has priority over second, so on...
[16:24:10] <ron> actually, I doubt that's the reason, it could have been solved easily.
[16:24:33] <chrisinajar> people wouldn't use it much because of the virtual function thing making it actually pretty complicated, but there are so many instances that it could be nice...
[16:24:35] <Thrawn> could i break something starting eclipse always with gksu eclipse in ubuntu? :(
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[16:25:08] <ron> one of the goals in java is to make the code more predictable, so you won't have to guess or dig in to understand how things work. that's why there's no operator overloading in java.
[16:25:19] <chrisinajar> a better solution that I think would make everyone happy is to allow functions to be implemented in interfaces, but still keep interfaces and abstract seperate
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[16:26:14] <chrisinajar> for example, in my use case we had a function that declares it's action via the first String param, I wanted to make the interface automatically do error checking on the params and then route those calls to the proper pure-virtual functions so that the implemented class could do it's thing
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[16:26:34] <chrisinajar> instead i had to copy and paste the body of the function into every single class using that interface
[16:26:58] <chrisinajar> i think that's a perfectly legitimate use case for implemented functions in an interface
[16:27:16] <chrisinajar> but hey, no language is perfect :)
[16:27:21] <ron> that's true.
[16:27:28] <ron> and there are alternative solutions.
[16:28:47] <chrisinajar> none of which are ideal or clean, though
[16:29:05] <chrisinajar> instead i removed the function and changed everywhere in the code to just directly call the functions
[16:29:35] <ron> well, without going into further details, it'd be difficult for me to suggest an alternative solution.
[16:29:46] <ron> then again, this really is off topic so we should stop it at that.
[16:30:23] <chrisinajar> yeah, who wants to have constructive conversation about a highly related topic that has no ideal place to be discussed :P
[16:30:38] <chrisinajar> that sounds like some #qt bullshit to me
[16:30:45] <chrisinajar> being all helpful and stuff
[16:31:18] <ron> chrisinajar: well, the social aspects of ##java are a bit disturbing, I'll give you that, but once you get used to it it's not so bad.
[16:31:30] <ron> if you'd like to continue in private, that's fine by me. up to you.
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[16:33:09] <chrisinajar> ron: once you're used to it you don't need it anymore though. What's the point of a channel to help people if no one is helpful until you already know the answer?
[16:33:25] <rothwell> 'lo. i have an existing C++ project with a build system, but i want to import it into eclipse so that i can edit source files. what's the simplest way to do that?
[16:33:44] <rothwell> none of the given options seem to quite manage it...
[16:33:47] <chrisinajar> rothwell: manually open the files, probably
[16:33:54] <ron> chrisinajar: well, after hanging there for over a year (and hating it at first), I can say it has its values.
[16:34:11] <rothwell> hm
[16:34:25] <paulweb515> rothwell: outside of the basic import, you'll probably have to ask the CDT guys for your specific case.  ~forums
[16:34:25] <Arbalest> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/
[16:34:36] <rothwell> paulweb515: ok, thanks
[16:34:37] <ron> I wanna go home :-/
[16:34:43] <ron> briandealwis1!
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[16:35:12] <chrisinajar> ron: well, comparing it to C++ (which would instantly get me flamed for 30 minutes in ##java :P), ##C++ is a waste of time, but #qt lets you ask generic C++ questions because they know that. they respectfully help you, usually just telling you what to google.
[16:35:16] <chrisinajar> java needs a #qt.
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[16:35:49] <rothwell> weird that these channels have to be so hostile
[16:35:52] <ron> chrisinajar: I'm willing to bet it depends on the current person in the channel ;)
[16:35:55] <rothwell> don't see the point
[16:36:10] <nbf> ##java is the most retarded channel on freenode
[16:36:10] <paulweb515> interesting discussions about C++ and Java all happened about 17 years ago  ... they probably don't need to hear them again (many of them have been hanging around there for 4 or more years)
[16:36:25] <chrisinajar> nbf: ##windows is
[16:36:43] <chrisinajar> rothwell: i agree, so much.
[16:36:44] <ron> actually #msgpack is.
[16:36:50] <ron> no wait, #msgpack is just mute.
[16:36:58] <paulweb515> nbf: if you'd like a taste of pain, I'd suggest #java on EFNet.  Chuck Norris will tear you a new one!! :-)
[16:37:13] <nbf> haha I'll have to check that out ;)
[16:38:05] <paulweb515> I like them, but they make our ##java look like guys that will build you an entire product for free ...
[16:38:07] <chrisinajar> paulweb515: i'm not trying to discuss the difference or anything, i'm simply comparing what i don't know well, Java, in terms i do know well, C++. the mention of C++ in ##java instantly results in a flamewar, even the usage of words like "virtual" or "pointer" will result in that...
[16:38:43] <paulweb515> chrisinajar: that's because there's documents to cover that ... although I personally don't mind, as I "grew up" in a C/C++ world
[16:39:54] <chrisinajar> paulweb515: "there's documents to cover that".... wut?
[16:40:20] <ron> paulweb515: can you go two rooms down the hall and smack rcjsuen for me?
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[16:40:44] <rcjsuen> Paul seems to like resorting to curses than direct, physical damage.
[16:40:46] <paulweb515> chrisinajar: the tutorials, the discussions of references and java's pass-by-value system compared to C pointers/refs, etc
[16:41:46] <chrisinajar> paulweb515: oh, no i fully understand it, but if while discussing an issue i use a sentence like "well, because it's virtual wont X class run it unstead?" or something like that...
[16:41:53] <paulweb515> ron: 1) I have a lot of curses, and 2) I need his help.  It's only stupid people that need to go to employee sensitivity training to be told what their own sense of self interest should tell them "don't hit the people whose help you need"
[16:42:33] <paulweb515> chrisinajar: there's no virtual in java (at least not when you use the word like that).
[16:42:41] <chrisinajar> or if i refer to changing the object a given variable points to as changing it's pointer, they freak out too
[16:42:56] <chrisinajar> paulweb515: i know that
[16:43:12] <chrisinajar> paulweb515: re-read my sentence, that wasn't what i was stating
[16:44:00] <ron> paulweb515: I still prefer physical damage, but I can see why you resort to curses. would you like to learn a few curses in hebrew? ;)
[16:44:17] <chrisinajar> what is java's term for how all their functions are virtual?
[16:44:33] <chrisinajar> like, what is the correct word to use there to not be told "there is no virtual in java"?
[16:44:46] <paulweb515> chrisinajar: polymorphic
[16:44:53] <chrisinajar> that's a different thing, though
[16:45:00] <paulweb515> chrisinajar: all method calls in java are polymorphic
[16:46:05] <paulweb515> chrisinajar: oh, sorry, in the context of your sentence, all method calls *are* virtual ... but methods and classes are not virtual
[16:46:15] <chrisinajar> indeed
[16:46:26] <chrisinajar> but if you call them virtual, you will be yelled at
[16:47:19] <ron> well, there are subtleties sometimes in the different terms.
[16:47:23] <paulweb515> that's because it's not an attribute of the method or class, it's a function of how the JVM calls stuff
[16:47:42] <ron> that's why you'd get yelled at for using 'pointer' instead of 'reference' in java. they're really not exactly the same thing.
[16:47:46] <paulweb515> chrisinajar: potentially equivelant term that's an "attribute" would be abstract
[16:51:11] <paulweb515> a class can be abstract, and a method can be abstract
[16:51:25] <ron> even a field can be abstract!
[16:51:28] <ron> oh wait.. no. :p
[16:53:41] * jink abstracts ron.
[16:53:54] * ron virtualizes jink
[16:53:57] <jink> :P
[16:57:21] <FreakyPenguin> Hi all. I'm experiencing some problems with a plugin developed by me for an eclipse rcp-app. The plugin registers multiple extensions (some of them ui views and perspectives and a proprietary one). The ui-Extensions work flawlessly, but the proprietary extension does not seem to be registered. I checked by putting debug entries in the code that lists the registered extensions and using the eclipse console.
[16:57:27] <FreakyPenguin> The same extension point works with other plugins. Any ideas?
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[17:18:13] <Thrawn> anyone knows a good beginner tutorial for Swing WindowBuilder in Eclipse? :)
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[17:19:24] <ron> the the windowbuilder website.
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[17:20:37] <Thrawn> thx
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[17:47:41] <ron> briandealwis1!!!
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[18:38:09] <pulse00> hi all. is it possible to unit-test a StructuredEditor? ie. test things like code-assist or auto-indentation ?
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[19:24:02] <Escherial> hey, anyone here happen to use eclipse on a dual-monitor setup in ubuntu? i'm having an issue where the tooltips go off the bottom of my primary screen, since it's shorter than my secondary
[19:24:35] <Escherial> (and thus whatever window manager ubuntu 11.04 uses by default creates a blank area underneath the primary to match the height of the secondary screen)
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[19:37:53] <nitind> pulse00: When you keep mentioning StructuredEditor, do you mean StructuredTextEditor?
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[19:41:33] <ronr_> Escherial: are you using Unity?
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[19:42:37] <Escherial> ron: yes :\ hopefully that's not the problem, as i've become accustomed to it
[19:43:14] <ron> Escherial: well, try switching to gnome or kde (assuming you have either installed) and try it out.
[19:43:26] <ron> I've learned to despise unity :)
[19:43:44] <ron> love the name, hate the execution.
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[19:43:53] <Escherial> i agree; there is something inelegant about it
[19:44:21] <Escherial> ok, attempting new window manager, bees are bees
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[19:47:14] <Escherial> right, back; sadly, things still go off the bottom. i'm convinced that it's a problem with X rather than with my window manager now, actually
[19:47:33] <ron> okay, that's great news.
[19:47:35] <Escherial> also, i've come to realize that unity really does give you a lot more vertical space, especially on a short widescreen laptop monitor
[19:49:13] <Escherial> ah, great news? :3
[19:49:43] <mpiggott> I wish they hadnt used so many Apple-isms, I hate the unified menu and window tools on the wrong side
[19:49:48] <ron> of course. now you have elaborate details to add to the bug report ;)
[19:50:23] <Escherial> a little cursory investigation reveals that people have been having this problem long before unity, for better or worse @_@
[19:50:55] <ron> you found a bug report about it?
[19:51:00] <Escherial> the displayable area in X is apparently a bounding rectangle, regardless of the subscreens within it, thus the dead spaces
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[19:51:15] <Escherial> a few, with some mediocre solutions that don't fix my problem :\
[19:51:53] <Escherial> mostly involving having the mouse not enter the dead area...so, for instance, people wrote programs that can be configured to push the mouse out of certain regions on the screen. does nothing for floating windows like tooltips, though
[19:52:14] <ron> so it's an X issue? nothing to do with eclipse?
[19:52:42] <Escherial> yep, it's an X issue...probably best to stop asking here about it, heh
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[19:52:59] <ron> then there's a solution to that as well
[19:53:01] <Escherial> i noticed it first with eclipse because of the inability to read the occasionally useful tooltip window
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[19:54:11] <Escherial> a solution? :D
[19:54:19] <ron> use windows ;)
[19:54:40] <Escherial> seriously, windows multimonitor support is pretty robust in comparison...
[19:55:05] <ron> I use windows :)
[19:55:41] <Escherial> well, i could, but everyone at the lab uses linux, so i'd be the odd one out having to rewrite shell scripts and such...
[19:55:45] <Escherial> not an enviable position :\
[19:56:22] <ron> that's true.
[19:56:33] <ron> another solution use one bigger monitor :)
[19:57:38] <Escherial> point taken :) i'll just live with it for now. inserting several newlines at the end of each file so i can read the tooltips and then deleting them is tedious, but meh
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[19:58:47] <ron> too bad, I had more suggestions.
[20:00:01] <Escherial> oh, please, continue :)
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[20:00:56] <ron> well, that was just rude.
[20:00:59] <ron> :p
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[20:22:15] <riclas> has anyone had connectivity issues with indigo? i can't reach repositories :\
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[20:48:20] <riclas> had to go back to helios :\
[20:48:46] <ron> no!!
[20:49:49] <riclas> i may have spoken too soon. helios seems to have the same problem now... grrrr
[20:50:50] <ron> I have no issues with updating.
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[20:52:40] <Lmat> I'm using Eclipse 3.5.2 and I would like to install an add-on.  How do I do it?
[20:52:42] <riclas> yeah i have no issues on windows either
[20:52:50] <Lmat> Alternatively, how do I update my eclipse installation (Ubuntu)
[20:52:57] <riclas> and i had none with helios on linux.
[20:53:03] <Lmat> I typed "sudo apt-get install eclipse" and got this version (just a few minutes ago).
[20:53:07] <riclas> but updated to indigo and bam.
[20:53:50] <riclas> just download the package from eclipse.org Lmat.
[20:53:57] <riclas> 3.5.2 is too old i think :\
[20:54:01] <ron> Lmat: the ubuntu repositories are extremely outdated.
[20:54:12] <Lmat> Thanks.  sure will.
[20:54:17] <ron> better download directly from eclipse.org
[20:54:31] <Lmat> I noticed that on my Windows machine, I have 3.6.? and it has something cool called Marketplace which seems to "just work" with add-ons.
[20:54:39] <ron> riclas: can you browse the update site?
[20:55:25] <ron> afaik, you can install the marketplace on 3.5, but considering 3.7 was recently released...
[20:55:51] <Lmat> How do I update the ubuntu repositories?
[20:56:09] <ron> you don't.
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[20:58:32] <Lmat> ron,  :(  Would you do it, then?
[20:58:49] <ron> um, no?
[20:59:14] <riclas> it's not possible for us mere mortals
[20:59:36] <riclas> i can browse it ron.
[20:59:40] <rcjsuen> I don't think the repos have 3.7 anyway so I doubt there's a point in trying that path
[21:00:03] <riclas> if i try to check for updates it gets stuck on "contacting sites"
[21:00:07] <ron> riclas: then... ask rcjsuen
[21:00:37] <riclas> nice gentle push there :)
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[21:02:37] <riclas> the log gives a provisioning exception...
[21:02:52] <riclas> i had no problem with helios yesterday :\
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[21:48:29] <Lmat> Okay, I just downloaded eclipse. How do I install it?
[21:48:31] <Lmat> Ubuntu.
[21:49:03] <ron> untar?
[21:49:26] <Lmat> ron, That seems likely...it's a tar.gz   does that change the procedure?
[21:49:57] <ron> yes. ungzip it first :p
[21:50:04] <Lmat> ron, good call.
[21:51:07] <lemmy> Lmat: just extract to e.g. /opt/eclipse and create a gnome launcher
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[21:51:23] <Lmat> lemmy, What's /opt?
[21:51:48] <Lmat> I ran gunzip {blah.tar.gz}  Where is the tar file?
[21:52:00] <Lmat> nm, found it ...right where I left it :p
[21:52:10] <lemmy> Lmat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[21:52:37] <Lmat> lemmy, That will be very helpful.
[21:52:46] <Lmat> So, I'm going to untar to opt/eclipse...
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[21:53:11] <Lmat> So I guess i'll be using --extract
[21:53:42] <Thrawn> Lmat: i just did that today lol
[21:54:06] <Lmat> Thrawn, heh.
[21:54:24] <Thrawn> hah
[21:54:30] <Thrawn> lmat: and i followed this: http://flurdy.com/docs/eclipse/install.html
[21:54:34] <Thrawn> worked like a charm
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[21:54:53] <Thrawn> lmat: scroll down to http://flurdy.com/docs/eclipse/install.html ignore the stuff above
[21:55:02] <Lmat> oh goodness...
[21:55:06] <Thrawn> scroll down to Then Eclipse:*
[21:55:17] <Thrawn> im linux noob and i made it, u can too! :P
[21:55:26] <Lmat> ahh
[21:55:43] <Lmat> Thrawn, What does xzf mean
[21:55:44] <Lmat> ?
[21:55:45] <lemmy> I suggest to install Java via apt.
[21:55:55] <Lmat> lemmy, surely I already have java.
[21:56:08] <Lmat> doh
[21:56:14] <Lmat> nm.  I don't want it, though.
[21:56:19] <Thrawn> lemmy:
[21:56:20] <rcjsuen> Better not assume what you have.
[21:56:27] <ron> you don't want java?
[21:56:32] <Thrawn> the official ubuntu repos have eclipse 3.5.2
[21:56:32] <rcjsuen> Lmat: If you don't want to install Java, you won't be able to run Eclipse.
[21:56:33] <lemmy> Lmat: man tar in the terminal explains the parameters
[21:56:45] <Lmat> Thrawn, I noticed that bull crap.
[21:56:51] <rcjsuen> So it sounds like your end goal was just to untar Eclipse but then not actually run it.
[21:56:58] <Lmat> Thrawn, I installed it through apt-get and it doesn't have marketplace.
[21:57:07] <Lmat> rcjsuen, What do you do with it?
[21:57:30] <Thrawn> lmat: you need the entire java stuff for eclipse
[21:57:32] <rcjsuen> Eclipse is a Java application. So it requires a Java runtime.
[21:57:46] <rcjsuen> Just like if you had a Python application you'd need the Python libraries.
[21:57:47] <Thrawn> and indeed i assumed u have that alrdy when i said scroll down and ignore ...^^
[21:58:29] <Lmat> Thrawn, seems reasonable.  How does linux ship without java?
[21:58:32] <Thrawn> i would guess you could add the eclipse repos and then apt-get install? havnt done that though myself
[21:58:38] <Lmat> I don't want the jdk, though, just jre
[21:58:42] <rcjsuen> Windows ships without Java too.
[21:58:53] <Lmat> rcjsuen, That's different, it ships with .net
[21:58:57] <lemmy> Lmat: what do you intend to use Eclipse for?
[21:59:02] <Lmat> lemmy, lilypond
[21:59:09] <Lmat> maybe texclipse.
[21:59:11] <ron> liliwhatnow?
[21:59:14] <abhatnag> Lmat: depends. Fedora and co ship with OpenJDK, which is an open source implemention of Java, as opposed to SunJDK
[21:59:58] <rcjsuen> Does OS X come with Java? Probably not I guess.
[22:00:03] <ron> no.
[22:00:25] <lemmy> Lmat: I that case you should be fine with the JRE.
[22:00:31] <Lmat> http://lilypond.org/essay.html
[22:00:45] <abhatnag> Lmat: is there a reason you don't want to install Java from apt-get? it should resolve all your dependencies
[22:00:49] <Lmat> lemmy, yeah, how do I get it?
[22:01:00] <ron> site's dead.
[22:01:03] <Lmat> abhatnag, nope, no reason.  I never said that.  In fact, I would prefer to do it.
[22:01:11] <Lmat> ron, it's been experiencing difficulties, I think.
[22:01:21] <ron> sounds worthy.
[22:01:25] <abhatnag> Lmat: so if you go apt-get install eclipse, that doesn't work for you?
[22:01:32] <Thrawn> the refractor -> convert local variable to field; is there a hotkey for it? or any way to select multiple lines and let it perform this action for each of these lines?
[22:01:37] <Lmat> abhatnag, Yes, for eclipse 3.5.2
[22:01:48] <Lmat> Thrawn, no, no way.
[22:01:50] <rcjsuen> Thrawn: If one isn't shown then by default there isn't. You could try to assign your own keybinding to it maybe.
[22:01:53] <Lmat> How do I aptget java jre?
[22:02:04] <nitind> Thrawn: No, it's not a line-based operation.
[22:02:13] <ron> Thrawn: learn to use ctrl+1 and ctrl+3.
[22:02:14] <nitind> Lmat: Probably a question for #debian.
[22:02:41] <ron> Lmat: actually, that's a question for google.
[22:02:43] <lemmy> Lmat: You sure you need a newer Eclipse for lilypod or texclipse?
[22:02:57] <Lmat> lemmy, I'm sure I need a newer version for marketplace (which is my desire).
[22:03:22] <Thrawn> ok thanks guys
[22:03:46] <abhatnag> Lmat: so you want 3.7 or 4? anyway, just apt-get install eclipse, whatever version, that should resolve 99% of dependencies for 3.7 or 4. And then you could run your untarred binaries
[22:04:11] <Lmat> abhatnag, Too late.  I have already downloaded 3.7 or so.
[22:04:20] <abhatnag> Lmat: you mean the source or bins?
[22:04:32] <Lmat> abhatnag, bins.
[22:04:38] <abhatnag> Lmat: run apt-get install eclipse to get eclipse 3.6, eh.
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[22:05:02] <Lmat> abhatnag, that's not what happened when I apt-get install eclipse earlier today.
[22:05:04] <abhatnag> Lmat: that should also install other dependencies that would be needed for 3.7. It's just a shortcut for getting all your dependencies
[22:05:09] <abhatnag> Lmat: ah, what happened
[22:05:14] <Lmat> 3.5.2
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[22:05:26] <Lmat> 3.6 I think would be fine.
[22:05:26] <Thrawn> official ubuntu repos = 3.5.2
[22:05:28] <abhatnag> Lmat: ah alright, that's about the same
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[22:05:40] <Lmat> abhatnag, negative.  It doesn't have Marketplace.
[22:05:45] <abhatnag> abhatnag: so I presume you have everything needed to run the bins of 3.7?
[22:06:00] <Lmat> abhatnag, nope.  I don't have jre.
[22:06:02] <abhatnag> hah, pinged myself, I mean Lmat
[22:06:05] <Thrawn> xD
[22:06:11] <Lmat> looks like I need apt-get install sun-java6-bin ?
[22:06:23] <abhatnag> Lmat: so when you execute eclipse (3.7), what's the exact error mssg? could you fpaste it?
[22:06:43] <lemmy> Lmat: sun-java6-jre
[22:06:59] <Lmat> abhatnag, I haven't tried to execute it.  I'm trying to install it.
[22:07:11] <Lmat> lemmy, What's a metapackage?
[22:07:14] <Lmat> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-java-runtime-environment-jre-in-ubuntu.html
[22:07:23] <abhatnag> Lmat: if you downloaded the binaries, then there is no install package. you should be able to run it ad-hoc
[22:07:41] <Lmat> abhatnag, Ahh, I need to untar it, then...
[22:07:48] <Lmat> abhatnag, http://flurdy.com/docs/eclipse/install.html
[22:07:53] <abhatnag> Lmat: if you wanted to add it to your path, such that you could run by typing in eclipse anywhere, then you can create symlinks
[22:08:02] <Lmat> abhatnag, sure.
[22:08:16] <abhatnag> Lmat: so try the untar and run eclipse, see if that works
[22:08:26] <Lmat> abhatnag, I don't have java.
[22:08:47] <abhatnag> Lmat: but did eclipse 3.5.2 that you got through apt-get work?
[22:08:55] <Lmat> abhatnag, yes.
[22:09:01] <Lmat> abhatnag, But it probably installed java.
[22:09:05] <abhatnag> Lmat: then you have java, because that uses java as well
[22:09:11] <Lmat> abhatnag, I uninstalled it.
[22:09:20] <abhatnag> Lmat: right, so you removed it? a quick way to get java then again is to install it again
[22:09:23] <ron> just run 'java -version' and see if you et anything.
[22:09:37] <abhatnag> Lmat: and then you could just symlink to 3.7 instead of 3.5.2
[22:09:48] <ron> and seriously, what's the big deal about installing the jre on ubuntu?
[22:09:49] <Lmat> ron, Of course.  I don't have java.  Really.
[22:10:04] <Lmat> ron, I hope nothing, but I would like to know how.
[22:10:16] <ron> GOOGLE.
[22:10:55] <abhatnag> again, just apt-get eclipse imo. that's the quickest way. chances are you have some java packages already, and you could save time with apt-gets autoresovle
[22:10:58] <Lmat> Yeah, I'm working on it.  Don't get on to me because I'm answering abhatnag 's questions.
[22:11:10] <Lmat> abhatnag, I'll keep that in mind.
[22:11:19] <Lmat> abhatnag, I'm hoping that the download had most of what I need (not including java).
[22:11:29] <ron> why on earth apt-get eclipse just to install java? that makes no sense whatsoever.
[22:11:30] <ron> none.
[22:11:34] <ron> nill.
[22:11:38] <riclas> true :\
[22:11:45] <Lmat> lemmy, What's a meta-package?
[22:11:51] <riclas> just apt-get openjdk
[22:11:54] <riclas> and you're done
[22:11:55] * ron facepalms
[22:11:55] <riclas> :F
[22:11:57] <Lmat> riclas, I don't want jdk.
[22:12:33] <riclas> do you not have space in disk?
[22:12:37] <riclas> :p
[22:12:43] <ron> for crying out loud: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-java-runtime-environment-jre-in-ubuntu.html
[22:12:50] <rcjsuen> If no one here knows what a metapackage is you could try in the Ubuntu IRC channel.
[22:13:00] <Lmat> ron, I've been reading that for a while.  I see that the jre one says metapackage.
[22:13:02] <Lmat> What's a metapackage?
[22:13:26] <Thrawn> lmat: what does that have to do with eclipse? :P
[22:13:30] <Lmat> riclas, How do I install open JRE?
[22:13:33] * ron cries
[22:13:42] <Lmat> Thrawn, It's going further away...
[22:13:49] <ron> I feel I'm being trolled.
[22:13:51] <ron> seriously.
[22:13:53] <riclas> lol
[22:13:56] * Thrawn pats ron
[22:14:02] * Lmat kisses ron
[22:14:03] <abhatnag> haha, this is a hilarious convo imo
[22:14:07] <ron> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-install-sun-java-runtime-environment-jre-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
[22:14:08] <Thrawn> pets*
[22:14:13] <ron> nothing hilarious about it.
[22:14:28] <Lmat> riclas, Is there an Open JRE?
[22:14:33] <ron> http://openjdk.java.net/install/
[22:14:38] <riclas> i don't think so.
[22:14:41] <riclas> not sure.
[22:14:48] <ron> OF COURSE THERE IS!
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[22:15:00] <riclas> oh there is :)
[22:15:13] <Lmat> excellent.  That's even easier!
[22:15:17] <Lmat> And it doesn't say metapackage.
[22:15:19] <ron> THAT'S WHY GOD INVENTED GOOGLE!
[22:15:44] <Lmat> now then, to untar eclipse.
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[22:16:10] <ron> I want to install eclipse!
[22:16:15] <ron> But I don't know Java!
[22:16:21] <ron> Can I install eclipse without knowing Java?
[22:16:30] <ron> Can I make it work without knowing Java?
[22:16:36] <ron> What is Java anyways?
[22:16:45] <ron> I don't know Java so I can't use eclipse!
[22:16:53] <nitind> ron: enough.
[22:16:58] <ron> nitind: fair enough.
[22:17:25] <Lmat> I know java :)  I'm a professional java developer ;)
[22:17:50] <ron> Now I remember why they invented the ignore command on irc.
[22:18:34] <maierh> May I interrupt for something complettly different?  : p
[22:18:39] <Lmat> maierh, no
[22:18:42] <Lmat> ;)
[22:18:48] <maierh> damn
[22:19:24] <Lmat> maierh, jk.\
[22:19:35] <ron> something completely different would be a blessing.
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[22:19:56] <maierh> I'm developing a plugin using emf/gef/gmf and have a question about deleting obsolete IMarker. The situation is, that problem-marker will be created, when the user enters an invalid attribute for a Shape/Connection in the diagram. Those markers shall be deleted, when the problem is no more. My first idea was to  simply have a field with a reference to the marker in each shape and handle...
[22:19:57] <maierh> ...them, when the value becomes valid. But this doesn't help, when shapes are simply deleted. So I adapted the edit-policies of detroying my shapes and bundled the DestroyCommand with a UnsetCommand for the marker. Didn't go to well (Delete-Option greyed out - which solves the problem, but not how I intended : D ). And I think this creates more issues when using the plugin over multiple...
[22:19:59] <maierh> ...sessions (IMarker not serializable; References obsolete?). So I discarded that and now I want to delete all obsolete IMarker periodically. So my question is: How and When do you handle obsolete IMarker. Is there an easy way to reference objects with marker (over multiple sessions) or is using findMarker(...) the only/better way?
[22:20:09] <maierh> ups   I prepared somethingg : D
[22:20:24] <Lmat> 101 mb for openjdk-6-jre ? hmm
[22:20:45] <maierh> mostly I'm asking because I'm learning  and looking for  well the good way
[22:20:47] <nitind> maierh: findMarker is the better way.  It's the principle of Don't Repeat Yourself.
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[22:25:46] <maierh> Ok - findMarker should work.  Some common opinion, when to delete all those markers.   F5, next start;   when ProblemView becomes active - sounds reasonable, doesn't it?
[22:26:56] <nitind> maierh: No.  You delete them either during a build or right when the file is changed.  Markers are supposed to reflect the state of what's on disk.
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[22:56:48] <saml> can I by pass Save Action with short cut?
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[22:56:58] <saml> Ctrl+s saves with Save Action.
[22:57:09] <saml> but sometimes, I want to by pass Save Action
[22:57:41] <saml> or, no Save Action by default.. but trigger Save Action with special keyboard combo
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[22:59:57] <nitind> You can change what the keyboard shortcut is for the save command, but unless you plan to change this in a plug-in you write for something you've written, no.
[23:00:08] <nitind> saml: For that matter, when does that sound like a good idea to you?
[23:01:18] <saml> nitind, thanks
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[23:01:33] <saml> like.. i'm doing heavy source formatting on Save..   but sometimes i want to by pass it
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[23:07:03] <nitind> saml: Good thing you can do them separately, then.
[23:07:10] <saml> yah
[23:07:19] <saml> source > format will do right?
[23:07:26] <saml> tias
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[23:09:11] <nitind> Yes.
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[23:16:39] <michaely> Does anyone know why a TableViewer would pass a null element to a CustomDrawLableProvider?
[23:17:18] <JesusMcCloud-lt> i have a problem here on arch linux. all of a sudden (no upgrade no nothing)  all i see when starting is a small window whithout content i cannot close all cli output i get is Job found still running after platform shutdown.  Jobs should be canceled by the plugin that scheduled them during shutdown: org.eclipse.ui.internal.ide.IDEWorkbenchActivityHelper$4
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[23:18:24] <ron> JesusMcCloud-lt: try running eclipse with the -clean flag.
[23:19:13] <JesusMcCloud-lt> trying it now...
[23:19:58] <JesusMcCloud-lt> ron, same problem exactly
[23:20:26] <ron> JesusMcCloud-lt: anything in the ~logs ?
[23:20:27] <Arbalest> Looking for your Eclipse logs? The workspace log should be located at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. In Eclipse, try Help > About > Installation Details > Configuration and then choose "View Error Log". If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[23:21:09] <JesusMcCloud-lt> some xulrunner crap again i am sure of that, but i am puzzled since i did not change anything just reboted and eclipse stopped working
[23:22:04] <ron> system update?
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[23:22:36] <JesusMcCloud-lt> ron, nope, that's the weird thing: NOTHING i can think of
[23:22:42] <JesusMcCloud-lt> anyways pastebin: http://pastebin.com/SgACfLM7
[23:23:06] <JesusMcCloud-lt> some xulrunner crap
[23:23:16] <JesusMcCloud-lt> but i dunno how to fix it
[23:25:02] <ron> http://www.talendforge.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=6933
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[23:27:38] <JesusMcCloud-lt> ron, hmm i disabled the internal browser already i am trying with a xulrunner binary from mozilla now...
[23:30:46] <JesusMcCloud-lt> thx ron! the binary did it! now it works again! how come that this culrunner crap has been such a problem for years now?
[23:31:11] * ron shrugs
[23:31:19] <ron> I just googled the error.
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[23:32:49] <JesusMcCloud-lt> ron, i had this error befoere and i had it fixed, it just did not make sense this time
[23:33:09] <ron> not everything in life a
[23:33:16] <ron> makes sense :)
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[23:49:19] <Thrawn> i got a problem :(
[23:49:39] <Thrawn> im trying to make a small app with a gui (swing): a button, a textfield and a label; then a class with a method: public long faculty (int n) thats supposed to return the factorial n! . though, i would want the result to be displayed in the label; but in case of n<0 i would want to print an error message; how do i do that?
[23:51:24] <nitind> Thrawn: Swing is usually covered in ##java.  But this sounds suspiciously like a homework question, and we don't do those.
[23:51:53] <Thrawn> nitind: its summer break since 2 weeks :D and its no homework
[23:52:01] <Thrawn> additionally, thx, i posted in the wrong channel <.<
[23:52:11] <Thrawn> (didnt realise, got both open)
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[23:59:49] <linxeh> I wouldn't dare ask that kind of question in ##java
[23:59:52] <linxeh> :P





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