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[00:15:08] <_nor> is there a way to see the _complete_ compiler call eclipse is running ... including _all_ parameteres?
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[00:21:59] <rcjsuen> what compiler are you talking about
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[00:24:50] <_nor> mxmlc. Does it actually matter?
[00:25:16] <FauxFaux> For things like Java, the only really supported platform, it doesn't actually invoke a compiler at all, it's all in memory.
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[00:26:18] <_nor> is i have to gather all the parameters manually by working my way through all the project settings relevent for my build?
[00:26:27] <_nor> *is/so
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[00:27:31] <_nor> background-hint: ant buildfile
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[00:56:32] <rhk> anyone else getting "org.eclipse.swt.SWTError: Not implemented [multiple displays]" when starting indigo?
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[00:58:32] <rhk> (ubuntu 11.04, linux x86-64, eclipse indigo "classic" with several plugins installed on top of it from the indigo site, sun java 1.6.0_24)
[01:03:51] <rcjsuen> rhk: I haven't heard ppl complain so far
[01:03:58] <rcjsuen> what does the tracel ook like
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[01:06:38] <synackfin> after upgrading eclipse, it highlights all uses of "uint32_t" as undefined (compiles fine, and defined in <stdint.h>)
[01:07:08] <synackfin> Eclipse has /usr/include in its include path, and stdint.h exists there (and pressing F3 on the file shows the file)
[01:09:51] <synackfin> hmm, I was able to fix it - I had to move /usr/include higher up in the order
[01:09:54] <rhk> apparently there are two exceptions: http://pastebin.com/FY94W61n
[01:11:29] <rhk> the odd thing is that it was working fine ealier (when I first installed it)
[01:11:47] <rhk> I'll try creating a new install to see if it helps
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[01:13:39] <rhk> ok, a fresh install works fine. guess I should try installing more plugins until it fails again
[01:14:14] <rhk> the only plugins I have installed so far are from the indigo site
[01:15:47] <rcjsuen> rhk: this is 100% repro?
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[01:16:04] <rcjsuen> It seems like somebody is causing the debug bundle to startup "eagerly"
[01:16:17] <rhk> it happens every time I start with my current installation
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[01:17:26] <rhk> so it's reproducible in that respect, but I need to find out if I can reproduce the installation that caused it
[01:17:57] <rhk> I think the last set of plugins I installed were SWT designer and window builder
[01:18:11] <rhk> which is suspicious
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[01:20:11] <synackfin> hmm, now I'm getting problems with it not being able to find std::is_convertible or any of the type_traits declarations, despite having that header included
[01:20:23] <synackfin> again, this all compiles fine, it's just eclipse showing errors
[01:23:17] <synackfin> here's the oddity.. #include <type_traits> shows no error, and I can press F3 to follow to the file.  At the end of the file, I can do std::is_conv[ctrl-space] and eclipse completes it to std::is_convertible, demonstrating it found the symbol.  However, right after #include <type_traits> in the parent file, if I do std::is_conv[ctrl-space], it doesn't find any such symbol
[01:24:03] <synackfin> since #include is equivalent to copy & pasting the contents into the parent file, I can't explain why eclipse is showing different behavior, able to find the symbol in the child file but not in the parent file
[01:26:02] <synackfin> interestingly, if I point eclipse at 4.5.3 headers, it works.  It's only 4.6.0 headers that confuses it
[01:26:15] <synackfin> seems like eclipse doesn't properly support gcc 4.6.0 headers?
[01:29:03] <rcjsuen> Check bugzilla maybe someone opened an issue on that alrdy.
[01:29:31] <synackfin> rcjsuen: is there something I need to do to make eclipse process c++0x instead of old c++ ?
[01:29:56] <rcjsuen> dunno but i think there was someone having the same question a few days ago
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[01:35:50] <rhk> ok, install all the same plugins in the new installation (well, almost the same - installed XSD SDK on the new set, forgot that I hadn't installed it yet) problem does not duplicate
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[01:49:39] <rhk> ok, installed the exact same set of plugins, did not duplicate the issue. could be config dependent, or order dependent
[01:51:21] <nbf> frankly the startup routine code in the workbench could use some cleanup and refactoring ;)
[01:54:06] <rcjsuen> nbf: you're telling me
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[01:55:54] <nbf> getting the bugs out of my SWT impl has required working with o.e.ui.workbench a lot
[01:55:58] <nbf> funtimes
[01:56:43] <synackfin> I found the problem -- eclipse is loading the wrong c++config.h, completely ignoring the include path and picking it up from elsewhere
[01:57:15] <synackfin> does anyone know how to force eclipse to load the correct c++config.h? (I'm not even sure how it's loading the wrong one, if I grep the directory, it's not even mentioned in .cproject or .project)
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[02:00:11] <synackfin> eclipse is loading /usr/include/c++/4.6.0/c++config.h  whereas it SHOULD be loading /usr/include/c++/4.5.3/c++config.h;  and .cproject and .project refer ONLY to 4.5.3, so I have no idea how eclipse is even aware of 4.6.0
[02:01:03] <nbf> default include paths?
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[02:02:16] <Pip> Okay, how to install a customized prospective ?
[02:02:26] <Pip> *perspective
[02:02:40] <nbf> plugin extension
[02:02:45] <synackfin> nbf: if I expand the Includes folder, nothing refers to 4.6.0
[02:02:47] <Pip> where ?
[02:03:25] <nbf> the extension point is: org.eclipse.ui.perspectives
[02:03:45] <rcjsuen> Pip: what is your end goal
[02:04:02] <Pip> I want to install a new perspective
[02:04:14] <rcjsuen> and what is this perspective
[02:05:19] <Pip> Where to install perspectives ?
[02:05:38] <rcjsuen> Please don't answer questions with questions of your own.
[02:06:13] <rcjsuen> under the 'Help' menu you can instal new software
[02:07:43] <Pip> Don't know how to actually install a new software
[02:08:42] <nbf> rcjsuen: with editor panes, I'm having an issue with a custom SWT impl I'm working on. When I open a document from the project explorer, the document is opened but it's appearing behind my CTabFolder widget and if I remove the background of the folder I can see the opened document
[02:09:04] <nbf> is there anything special about how documents are displayed, I see they use ViewForm and the proxy stuff views use
[02:09:38] <nbf> I'm just not sure yet if I have a bug regarding sorting/ordering the widgets or if I need to take special precautions with the editor pane
[02:09:47] <nbf> views work fine
[02:10:38] <nbf> the editors in question are the java editor and the text editor
[02:13:06] <nbf> also in this case CTabFolder is a custom "native" widget and isn't drawn with a GC
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[02:20:04] <rcjsuen> nbf: I didn't think there would be a problem.
[02:20:07] <rcjsuen> nbf: So PDE editors open okay?
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[02:22:30] <nbf> I haven't tried a PDE project yet
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[02:27:19] <nbf> okay sounds like I have to work out another bug on my end, thanks :)
[02:29:46] <rcjsuen> well
[02:29:48] <rcjsuen> I didn't even do anything
[02:29:49] <rcjsuen> but okay
[02:29:54] <rcjsuen> praise me with your words of thanks
[02:31:59] <nbf> I was really just curious if there was some weird quirk when creating editors that I needed to know about ;)
[02:32:20] <nbf> because it's either I missed that or I have a layout/ordering bug in my ui code somehow
[02:32:29] <nbf> when used with the editor pane
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[02:45:36] <xnotte> anyone knows a hotkey to fix all imports ? like netbeans has
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[02:49:22] <nbf> xnotte: ctrl+shift+o
[02:50:40] <xnotte> nbf: thanks
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[03:15:50] <hallowblitz> hey eclipse, where should I look about making .bat files non-executable when doubleclicking on them, instead open them in eclipse editor, while those .bat files are in the project in a folder which is not source folder
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[03:20:58] <hallowblitz> this is in eclipse jdt
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[03:28:09] <nitind> I'm not sure one is related to the other.  Try adding *.bat to the File Associations preference page.
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[03:31:59] <hallowblitz> it works, I also had to add Java Editor(default) to it, thanks!
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[04:03:53] <hallowblitz> err, for some reason when I'm trying to save a Formatter profile that I've change its contents, it's trying to save it in another project's jdt prefs (project which, is closed)
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[04:04:14] <hallowblitz> but project properties title is for the right project
[04:04:22] <hallowblitz> the current and opened one
[04:04:28] <hallowblitz> what could I be missing?
[04:05:18] <hallowblitz> http://pastebin.com/JcvLriES
[04:05:57] <hallowblitz> I am using project specific settings for Formatter
[04:06:12] <hallowblitz> the closed project name is "random" and the current one is well "different"
[04:07:37] <hallowblitz> well it worked after eclipse restart
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[04:16:45] <hallowblitz> I fail to make this wrap http://i.imgur.com/JQqKB.jpg happen for only one element, it works for two or more! but if there's one element this is what it gets like: http://i.imgur.com/0fzw1.jpg
[04:17:13] <hallowblitz> the first *indent is Indent Policy: Indent by one
[04:20:53] <hallowblitz> any combination of indents i choose here: http://i.imgur.com/qVEw6.jpg yields a different indent when the array contains only one element, than when it contains more than one; I need the same indent (the Indent by one which is closer to edge) for both cases, any ideas?
[04:29:23] <hallowblitz> not even by disabling New Lines->Array initializers->Insert new line after opening brace of array initializer
[04:30:32] <hallowblitz> looks like that indent policy (of Indent by one in my case) is only applied WHEN there are more than one elements in the array
[04:31:29] <hallowblitz> and even then, it fails if this is disabled: New Lines->Array initializers->Insert new line after opening brace of array initializer
[04:31:54] <hallowblitz> by fails I mean, first element is not indented using that Indent Policy like the rest are
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[06:17:23] <hallowblitz> i must've been too fast with Ctrl+S , Ctrl+W again... http://pastebin.com/bieUBKbb
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[07:09:32] <ron> meh?
[07:10:09] <ron> tourette much?
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[08:27:05] <_ged> Hi, I have just downloaded a plug-in for eclipse that lets you decompile a class file, question is, after seeing the code from eclipse, can  I change it(the class file) and compile it again?
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[09:10:19] <ccrisan> i downloaded eclipse classic 3.7 and it fails to start with "java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.eclipse.swt.SWTError", on arch linux with OpenJDK 6.22, any ideas?
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[09:52:46] <pulse00> hi there. i'm using an extension of another plugin which is being loaded during startup. i'm getting a ClassNotFoundException though when the plugin tried to load my extension, althouth i've selected "Activate this plug-in when one of its classes is loaded" and exported package in the runtime tab.
[09:53:10] <pulse00> the problem is that the other plugin is loaded before mine, and the classes aren't being loaded automatically it seems
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[10:15:01] <lemmy> How do I customize the zip file names of a maven/tycho RCP build?
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[10:52:12] <jinleileiking> hi,all i ran eclipse,it crash, and report:
[10:52:31] <jinleileiking> ** (bug-buddy:15130): CRITICAL **: Failed to parse arguments: Cannot open display:
[10:52:31] <jinleileiking> anybody can help me?
[10:52:36] <jinleileiking> i use gentoo
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[10:59:04] <Pip> Okay, how to install a new perspective ?
[10:59:14] <Pip> Via the internet
[11:00:42] <ron> jinleileiking: check out the ~logs for more details.
[11:00:42] <Arbalest> Looking for your Eclipse logs? The workspace log should be located at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. In Eclipse, try Help > About > Installation Details > Configuration and then choose "View Error Log". If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[11:01:11] <ron> Pip: you don't install a new 'perspective'. you install plugins. plugins may or may not add new perspectives to eclipse.
[11:01:46] <Pip> I see, how to install a new plugin via eclipse
[11:03:29] <Pip> Isn't there a repository that stores tons of plugins for eclipse ?
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[11:15:10] <wks> hello. An Eclipse RCP question. I am creating an RSS reader program as my second RCP project.  I represent an RSS feed with a View.  The view contains an org.eclipse.ui.forms.widgets.ScrolledForm, which then contains many Section's.  Each section shows an item in the RSS.
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[11:16:15] <wks> Now each RSS item has a <description>.  Its text content is supposed to be shown in its corresponding Section.
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[11:17:14] <wks> The problem is, the text content of RSS <description> is long and contains HTML mark-ups. What is the appropriate SWT control to display such text?
[11:18:04] <SNiLD> eclipse indigo cdt 8.0 broke new class wizard :(
[11:18:08] <SNiLD> gives nullpointerexception
[11:18:19] <wks> I tried Label, but it does not wrap even if I set the SWT.WRAP style bit.
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[11:49:32] <ron> SNiLD: at what point of the wizard do you get the exception?
[11:49:56] <SNiLD> when i press finish :)
[11:50:27] <SNiLD> it manages to create the .h file but no content to it
[11:50:30] <SNiLD> and no .cpp file
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[11:53:29] <ron> can you check the ~logs for additional information?
[11:53:29] <Arbalest> Looking for your Eclipse logs? The workspace log should be located at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. In Eclipse, try Help > About > Installation Details > Configuration and then choose "View Error Log". If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
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[12:08:46] <SNiLD> ron: only the stack trace: http://pastebin.com/N8PEeRDM
[12:15:33] <ron> SNiLD: what's the name of the class you're trying to create?
[12:15:50] <SNiLD> HttpServerExample
[12:16:30] <ron> okay, I can only suggest a few things as to what do to next, if you wish, but unfortunately I can't help you with the issue myself.
[12:19:02] <SNiLD> yeah well i managed to create the stuff manually
[12:19:27] <SNiLD> and someone had something similar wit 8.0 filed ticket that was already fixed so maybe i have to wait for 8.0.1
[12:19:38] <ron> :-/
[12:19:40] <SNiLD> not at the exact same line though
[12:19:51] <ron> maybe you should add your info to the ticket.
[12:19:56] <ron> it may help the developers fix it.
[12:20:50] <SNiLD> yeah maybe i will
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[12:29:43] <lisak> cbeust_, hi, you mention constructor factory in testng documentation, but the @Factory annotation has only METHOD target, not CONSTRUCTOR
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[12:31:06] <danley> Hello, I am using Eclipse 3.7.0 with texlipse and subversive. but subversive won't recognize the output pdf leading me to be unable to check in said pdf. does anybody know why subversive won't let me check in the "document.pdf" latex generates?
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[12:32:42] <nitind> danley: Is it recognized as being different than what's in the current branch?
[12:34:09] <danley> nitind: it won't check it in at all. i've then checked the file in from command line and then changed the local file but it did not recognize the difference. as if it doesn't touch the file at all
[12:34:34] <danley> nitind: if i make a copy of the file in my workspace "Copy of focument.pdf" i can check that copy in just fine
[12:35:06] <danley> *document
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[12:35:40] <nitind> danley: Try Refreshing it from the File menu.
[12:37:09] <danley> nitind: that doesn't change anything
[12:37:32] <lisak> cbeust_, I see, 6.0.1
[12:37:39] <danley> nitind: all other files will check in just fine, even PDFs. just not the output file of pdflatex from texlipse
[12:42:32] <danley> nitind: i think i solved it. in the properties of the file the attribute "derived" was automatically set. that made subclipse ignore the file completely. i unchecked that attribute and it works now as far as i can tell.
[12:42:41] <danley> nitind: thank you for your help ;)
[12:42:47] <danley> nitind: have a nice day
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[12:48:20] <pulse00> hi all. has anyone an idea why i'm getting a ClassNotFoundException during startup when a bundle tries to load a class from my plugin which i provided via an extension point? i've exported the package containing that class and selected "activate plugin when one of its classes is loaded", so i'm not sure what i'm missing.
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[12:53:11] <paulweb515> pulse00: what does you load look like?
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[13:02:07] <atx> i've an error when i want to export my product:  "Missing requirement: XXX Console 1.0.0 (xxx.application 1.0.0) requires 'xxx.mapserver [1.0.0.201106271303]' but it could not be found" I don't know how to resolv it. if i start the product form eclipe everything works fine
[13:02:58] <atx> also on the depency depencypage where the plugin is listed, there are no errors indicated
[13:03:53] <pulse00> paulweb515: https://github.com/pulse00/Symfony-2-Eclipse-Plugin/blob/master/org.eclipse.symfony.ui/plugin.xml#L100 this is the extension
[13:04:17] <pulse00> and the ClassNotFoundException is raised exactly for the "class" attribute: org.eclipse.symfony.ui.editor.highlighting.AnnotationHighlighting
[13:04:29] <pulse00> though the class exists and is exported in the manifest
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[13:17:53] <Echidna> anyone ever used proguard to obfuscate plugins?
[13:25:36] <TomTom> quite useless...
[13:26:17] <TomTom> invest the time in your product not in copy protection or obfuscation...
[13:27:13] <paulweb515> pulse00: is this in runtime or after export?
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[13:27:24] <private_meta> Is it possible to have the current hostname in the eclipse window title?
[13:27:33] <private_meta> or any user-defined string?
[13:27:35] <paulweb515> private_meta: there's not flag
[13:27:56] <private_meta> paulweb515: what?
[13:28:00] <paulweb515> private_meta: yes, the user-defined string:  Preferences>General>Workspace
[13:28:08] <pulse00> paulweb515, sorry, don't understand your question. you mean the plugin.xml ?
[13:28:20] <paulweb515> private_meta: I meant "there's no flag to pull in the hostname"
[13:28:33] <private_meta> paulweb515: ah thanks, the window title for workspace will do
[13:28:50] <paulweb515> pulse00: no, I mean are you having the problem running from within eclipse, or after you've exported a product/plugin
[13:29:13] <paulweb515> private_meta: I use it all the time to give my workspaces meaninful names (build370, build36x, e4, etc)
[13:29:33] <private_meta> paulweb515: I need it to define different Servers my eclipse installations run on
[13:29:53] <Echidna> TomTom: why
[13:30:30] <pulse00> paulweb515, when running it from within eclipse
[13:31:56] <paulweb515> pulse00: could you pastebin your exporting manifest, and the line you use to try and instantiate it?
[13:32:06] <TomTom> Echidna: because its useless. give me eclipse and your obfuscated code. with the refactoring functions of eclipse i have a human readable code in a few hours... it has only drawbacks and now win for you...
[13:34:26] <pulse00> paulweb515, https://gist.github.com/1048714  line 41 throws the exception, the manifest is pasted above in the comment
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[13:35:35] <pulse00> paulweb515, sorry, the manifest is from the core plugin, not the ui plugin where the extension is declared. just a second, i'll past the correct one
[13:35:42] <paulweb515> pulse00: you don't export the package
[13:35:44] <paulweb515> pulse00: oh, OK
[13:36:17] <paulweb515> Oh, also, that's not how you load a class from an extension point
[13:36:29] <pulse00> that's from the PHP plugin ;)
[13:36:41] <pulse00> this is the correct manifest https://gist.github.com/1048714
[13:36:49] <pulse00> i'll be back in a minute
[13:37:04] <paulweb515> pulse00: and how could that even compile?
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[13:46:44] <Echidna> apparently product export creates a temporary build.xml in the project dir, why is it not possible to export and save it
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[13:52:27] <pulse00> paulweb515, it's code from the PHP plugin: http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/viewvc.cgi/org.eclipse.pdt/plugins/org.eclipse.php.ui/src/org/eclipse/php/internal/ui/editor/SemanticHighlightingManager.java?root=Tools_Project&view=co
[13:52:39] <pulse00> i've checked it out from cvs, and it compiles fine
[13:53:08] <rcjsuen> Class.forName(String)
[13:53:09] <rcjsuen> hahaha oh wow
[13:54:31] <paulweb515> pulse00: loadSemanticHighlighter(Class<? extends AbstractSemanticHighlighting> clazz) how can that pass in a String?
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[13:54:57] <paulweb515> pulse00: unless you're missing the place where it tries to actually load the class?
[13:55:13] <paulweb515> yes, OK
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[13:56:35] <paulweb515> pulse00: while you need some wrapper code around it, the correct way to load a class from an extension is element.createExecutableExtension("class") // the attribute name
[13:57:14] <paulweb515> pulse00: see org.eclipse.ui.internal.WorkbenchPlugin.createExtension(IConfigurationElement, String) for an example of one load function
[13:57:15] <pulse00> paulweb515, yes, that's how i'm doing it in my plugin. so you say the way the extension is loaded in the PHP plugin will never work?
[13:57:28] <pulse00> then i'll open a ticket
[13:57:38] <paulweb515> pulse00: yes, that's so totally bogus
[13:57:45] <pulse00> hm, ok. thanks
[13:57:49] <paulweb515> that's real code?  hahahaha
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[13:58:02] <paulweb515> do they use it to load stuff from their own plugin?
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[13:58:12] <pulse00> hm, let me check
[13:58:43] <pulse00> looks like, yes
[13:58:59] <pulse00> they declare the same extension exactly that way in their plugin.xml
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[13:59:15] <paulweb515> That's the only case it would work, if they're loading it from their own plugin or one of their own require-bundles :-)
[13:59:34] <pulse00> https://gist.github.com/1048744 this is their plugin.xml
[13:59:37] <pulse00> well, part of
[14:00:09] <pulse00> i think i'm pretty much the first one actually using the extension points though.
[14:00:33] <rcjsuen> or the first one that hasn't given up yet
[14:00:40] <pulse00> ;)
[14:00:56] <pulse00> i'm too far to give up ...
[14:01:09] <pulse00> lot of stuff is already working... kind lof ;)
[14:01:13] <pulse00> *of
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[14:13:06] <sr__> hello
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[14:17:16] <sr__> I am looking for a way to get my Eclipse RCP app to remember its location on the display, and the sizing/hide/show of the different views
[14:17:35] <sr__> such that when I restart it, it got back in the same state as it was the last time it was shut down
[14:17:38] <sr__> any idea?
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[14:19:53] <sr__> nevermind
[14:20:02] <sr__> found exactly what I needed: http://blog.js-development.com/2008/11/persisting-current-perspective-state-of.html :)
[14:20:12] <sr__> awesome
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[14:21:32] <sr__> I've spent the last 3 months resizing and moving my app every time I debugged it
[14:21:38] <sr__> :)
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[14:59:25] <pulse00> paulweb515, the pdt devs patched the extension loading, it works fine now. thanks for your help
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[15:00:39] <milleja46> hi
[15:00:52] <paulweb515> pulse00: good.  If it's the first time writing extension points it's an easy to make mistake, especially if you're loading your own stuff as your main usecase :-)
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[15:01:00] <pulse00> sure
[15:01:05] <milleja46> is there any way to re-add a project you removed form eclipse taht still exsists?
[15:01:28] <pulse00> milleja46, you can import projects into the workspace: File -> Import -> Existing project into workspace
[15:02:43] <milleja46> pulse00: thanks
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[15:58:51] <jesmon> say I have the main editor window split vertically. Is there a command to jump from the current editor on one side to the editor on the other side?
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[16:01:32] <rcjsuen> No
[16:01:42] <rcjsuen> You'd have to live with Ctrl+(Shift+)F6 I guess.
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[16:07:04] <ron> blashpemy.
[16:07:13] <ron> only without the typo.
[16:07:21] <rcjsuen> Touche
[16:08:38] <nbf> Riposte
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[16:16:05] <jesmon> I might have to make a feature request for that. I find it a useful thing to have
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[16:24:19] <ron> I'm starting to grow intense hatred towards gwt.
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[16:47:34] <lisak> cbeust_, does @Factory work with other lifecycle methods like @BeforeClass or @BeforeSuit ?
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[16:54:42] <cbeust_> lisak: Factory creates test classes, it has nothing to do with annotations
[16:56:49] <lisak> cbeust_, it works for me, it is quite unexpected
[16:56:59] <cbeust_> How so?
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[16:57:54] <lisak> cbeust_, test class  http://pastie.org/2129407        and testCase http://pastie.org/2129408
[16:59:18] <lisak> it is almost perfect, it runs 2 times with @BeforeClass,  then it should stop
[16:59:45] <lisak> but third cycle starts instead
[16:59:58] <lisak> the third cycle starts without @BeforeClass
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[17:02:24] <lisak> I'm not sure that I use it as expected
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[17:03:33] <lisak> also DataProvider runs before @BeforeClass
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[17:12:35] <lisak> cbeust_, if I understand that right,  @Factory can be used separately only, without  @BeforeClass or @BeforeSuite methods
[17:12:56] <cbeust_> Yes, @Factory is run very early in the process since it creates test classes
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[17:14:07] <lisak> but it is hard to find a use case for it, everybody needs to do some infrastructure settings via @BeforeSuite/Class .... it would all have to be moved to the constructor
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[17:18:03] <cbeust_> I don't understand what you're saying...
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[17:20:37] <lisak> everytime I'm testing, I have a parent class with @BeforeSuite for initialization ... If I wanted to use @Factory (that doesn't support annotations), I'd have to create a separate Test Class and move all the initialization stuff from @BeforeSuite into the Factory constructor
[17:21:54] <lisak> considering the fact, that it can use DataProvider -> the constructor can be run manytimes ... it isn't even suitable for initialization
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[17:23:02] <cbeust_> I'm still not sure what you're trying to do but you don't seem to understand the purpose of @Factory. Either way, let's continue this discussion on the mailing-list so we stop polluting here
[17:23:45] <jesmon> ron: why the hate for gwt?
[17:24:53] <ron> jesmon: it's compilation process is hell. no, it's hell for hell. satan would consider it hell.
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[17:25:26] <nbf> it's just punishment for what you're actually doing
[17:25:29] <jesmon> hell in what sense? what is the actual problem?
[17:26:36] <lisak> ron, it seems you haven't done anything really complex in javascript directly :-)
[17:26:58] <ron> jesmon: it. refuses. to. compile.
[17:27:05] <ron> lisak: and you have no idea how glad I am for it.
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[17:47:14] <pulse00> is there a way to make Libraries from Plugin A available in Plugin B ?
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[17:47:39] <pulse00> i've exported the libraries packages in the runtime tab of Plugin A, but in Plugin B those classes can't be resolved
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[17:50:11] <pulse00> ok, it seems there's need for a Plugin C
[17:50:16] <pulse00> which hosts the library
[17:50:17] <paulweb515> pulse00: in plugin b, you required plugin A?
[17:51:28] <pulse00> no, i require a library used by A
[17:51:33] <pulse00> a jar
[17:52:11] <paulweb515> pulse00: that you've included in A and in its Bundle-ClassPath?
[17:52:59] <pulse00> paulweb515, yes, the jar is in the Bundle-ClassPath
[17:53:02] <pulse00> of plugin A
[17:53:32] <pulse00> should it work that way?
[17:53:34] <paulweb515> pulse00: you can export all of those packages from plugin A and require plugin A (from B) to see them ... that should work
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[17:53:51] <paulweb515> pulse00: and is that jar actually built into plugin A?
[17:53:54] <pulse00> hm, i've tried that, let me check, maybe i missed something
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[17:54:27] <pulse00> paulweb515, how do i do that? (build it into the plugin)
[17:54:43] <pulse00> all i have done in A is exporting the packages of the jar and adding it to the classpath
[17:54:59] <paulweb515> pulse00: where is it?  I simply mean it's at <project>/lib/a.jar and its included in the binary section of build.properites
[17:55:31] <pulse00> yes, true to both
[17:55:47] <pulse00> is a foldername "lib" required ? because that's not the actual name
[17:56:07] <paulweb515> pulse00: no, it can be anything (as long as its reflected in the Bundle-ClassaPath)
[17:56:16] <pulse00> hm, yes it is
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[17:58:44] <pulse00> https://gist.github.com/1049147
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[17:58:54] <pulse00> Resources/antlr-runtime-3.3.jar
[17:58:59] <pulse00> that's the library
[17:59:03] <pulse00> it's there in both files
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[17:59:31] <ron> gwt o_O
[17:59:38] <pulse00> however, this FAQ entry says something different: http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_can_I_share_a_JAR_among_various_plug-ins%3F
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[18:20:09] <pulse00> not sure if this wiki entry is still up-to-date...
[18:20:38] <pulse00> paulweb515, just to be sure: you say this should work without a Proxy-Plugin C right?
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[18:35:45] <paulweb515> pulse00: yes, AFAIK you can put a jar in a plugin project, add it to the bundle classpath, export its packages, and then consume them from another plugin
[18:36:05] <paulweb515> pulse00: the only thing I can suggest is you take the 2 projects, use PDE Tools>Update Classpath, and then clean and rebuild them
[18:36:20] <pulse00> okay, i'll try that, thanks
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[18:42:12] <pulse00> weird, everything looks okay, but the classes can't be resolved.
[18:42:29] <pulse00> anyway, gotta leave now, thanks for your help
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[18:57:11] <licksjp> hello
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[19:01:59] <paulweb515> hi there (I'm on my way, I'm making it!)
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[19:02:56] <licksjp> my Eclipse show Dialog ,and  push ok button,close
[19:03:00] <licksjp> why?
[19:03:28] <licksjp> Heap error
[19:03:38] <licksjp> I have add memory
[19:03:47] <licksjp> 256==>512
[19:04:48] <licksjp> Eclipse.ini file
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[19:05:36] <licksjp> my eclipse Galileo
[19:05:39] <l1m5> Hi, I am having some problems understanding how SWT scales TrayItem images down on the Mac. Is this the right place for me to direct my question?
[19:06:12] <paulweb515> l1m5: this is the right place to ask
[19:06:28] <nitind> licksjp: What dialog?  What does it say?
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[19:06:33] <paulweb515> l1m5: if no one knows here, I would also suggest the SWT forum/newsgroup - ~forums
[19:06:33] <Arbalest> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/
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[19:09:05] <l1m5> So I'm setting both the dock icon and the system tray for my application using SWT's TrayIcon.setImage() call. This works fine on all platforms but the mac, where I'm getting a lot of extra padding around the icon. So, for instance, I'm getting this on mac: http://i.imgur.com/RbpWZ.png and this on Linux: http://i.imgur.com/yKFMQ.png
[19:09:47] <l1m5> I'm basically wondering if there's a way to reduce the amount of padding on the icon to just the icon itself (as SWT is already doing on Windows and Linux)
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[19:10:19] <nitind> Doesn't look so bad on Lunix.
[19:12:43] <licksjp> http://bahoosoft.net/img/Eclipse_dialog.jpg
[19:12:52] <licksjp> It's here dialog
[19:13:11] <l1m5> Yeah, and on Windows it's appropriately clipping as well. I can use a 64x64 transparent PNG and it clips properly in the Mac status bar, but it looks a bit fuzzy in the dock. I ideally want to use the 128x128 icon to avoid the low resolution. I've been trying to research the issue, but I can't find anything online to help with the problem.
[19:17:44] <nitind> licksjp: Did it work before you adjusted the numbers?  And can you ~pastebin the eclipse.ini file?
[19:17:44] <Arbalest> Please paste the relevant information onto a pastebin. The submission will generate a URL which you can then copy/paste back into the channel - http://www.pastebin.ca/ - http://pastebin.com/ - http://pastebin.org - http://ideone.com/ - http://pastie.org
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[19:21:40] <Vonhinten> I'm sure this has been asked before, but is it possible to alter the code auto-suggestions/intellisense so it automatically recommends as your type, similar to visual studio with visual assist?  It would be nice to be able to start typing a local variable name and just hit tab to complete it.
[19:22:19] <nitind> No.
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[19:23:47] <licksjp> nitind,
[19:23:50] <licksjp> 256M
[19:23:50] <licksjp> org.eclipse.platform
[19:23:50] <licksjp> 256m
[19:24:00] <licksjp> ===>
[19:24:06] <licksjp> 512M
[19:24:08] <licksjp> org.eclipse.platform
[19:24:12] <licksjp> 512m
[19:24:29] <Vonhinten> dude, pastebin
[19:24:37] <licksjp> sorry
[19:24:47] <Vonhinten> nitind, any idea if anyone's ever tried to implement it?
[19:24:58] <nitind> Vonhinten: I've never been interested in finding out.
[19:25:11] <nitind> licksjp: Try it again in a ~pastebin .
[19:25:11] <Arbalest> Please paste the relevant information onto a pastebin. The submission will generate a URL which you can then copy/paste back into the channel - http://www.pastebin.ca/ - http://pastebin.com/ - http://pastebin.org - http://ideone.com/ - http://pastie.org
[19:26:09] <Vonhinten> nitind, hmm, ok, maybe someone else here has, thx
[19:26:58] <licksjp> http://pastie.org/2130107
[19:27:09] <l1m5> any ideas on the SWT trayItem icon sizing issue? if not, I can ask on the forums as recommended before
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[19:32:48] <rcjsuen> l1m5: You should try the forums.
[19:33:06] <rcjsuen> Vonhinten: See FAQ in topic.
[19:34:48] <rcjsuen> assuming you mean java
[19:37:22] <Vonhinten> Maybe I missed something in that list.  Content Assist works somewhat.  I was just wondering if it could be modified in some way, via settings or code to behave more like I'm used to with VS+VA
[19:41:04] <Vonhinten> It's a muscle memory problem really, can't write code when everything feels awkward
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[19:47:27] <rcjsuen> I thought your question was about how to make every character you type prompt the content assist (for Java).
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[19:51:33] <Vonhinten> ah, I did miss something in the list
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[19:52:10] <protoquark> Is there a way to specify a filter on the contents of a headlessly built P2 repository?
[19:54:20] <paulweb515> protoquark: what kind of filter?  i.e. what are you doing when you see too much?
[19:56:35] <protoquark> paulweb515: I'm building a P2 Repository that contains a Feature group and a CustomAction for executing a platform specific binary on installation.  The feature group contains 3 features, one for linux, one for Windows and one for Mac.  I want my final user visible repository to only list the Feature Group, and not all the sub-components
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[19:57:13] <protoquark> paulweb515: I figure I can manually edit the content.xml, but I'd rather have it done automatically during the build
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[19:59:34] <ed8> hi there, I want to start using GIT for one of my project I start some weeks ago. How should I do ?
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[20:00:37] <ron> git?
[20:00:44] <nitind> ed8: http://eclipse.org/egit/documentation/
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[20:01:56] <nitind> licksjp: The first line is really just a number?
[20:03:17] <licksjp> yes
[20:03:33] <nitind> licksjp: In the eclipse.ini file?
[20:03:41] <paulweb515> protoquark: wouldn't you just provide a category.xml ?
[20:03:58] <licksjp> nitind, yes
[20:04:16] <nitind> licksjp: I think there's something wrong with that file, then.
[20:04:23] <protoquark> paulweb515: I can try that, but if the user unchecks the group by category box they will still see the entire contents of the repo
[20:05:00] <paulweb515> protoquark: do your features specify platform filters?
[20:05:03] <licksjp> I have rewritten 256==>512
[20:05:13] <paulweb515> protoquark: as for unchecking group, that's just the way it works
[20:05:32] <protoquark> paulweb515: not at the feature level, the feature group itself specifes platform filters for each of the sub-features
[20:06:41] <lahwran> http://www.winterwell.com/software/markdown-editor.php
[20:06:44] <lahwran> that trustworthy?
[20:06:52] <lahwran> googled "eclipse markdown"
[20:07:14] <paulweb515> protoquark: you may already be doing this, but any feature that should only be installed on one platform should have a platform filter, not matter where it is
[20:07:18] <licksjp> nitind, I have changed trying  to change number
[20:07:31] <paulweb515> protoquark: when you say feature group, do you mean a feature that specifies the subfeatures?
[20:07:54] <nitind> licksjp: I'm not sure what that means.
[20:08:22] <protoquark> paulweb515: yes, the feature group is a feature that contains the three platform specific features, and I put the platform filter on the included feature Details of each sub-feature
[20:08:31] <protoquark> that seems to be working fine now
[20:08:53] <paulweb515> ah, OK
[20:09:06] <protoquark> paulweb515: Now all I want to do is clean-up the presentation of the P2 repository so the user only sees the feature-group
[20:09:42] <paulweb515> protoquark: your category.xml should be set up to only show the features that contain the other features.
[20:10:02] <protoquark> paulweb515: Okay, I'll look into creating a category.xml, thanks for the suggestion!
[20:10:14] <paulweb515> protoquark: I might be able to find an example
[20:10:30] <protoquark> paulweb515: If you've got one that would be great, my google-fu is failing me a bit here
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[20:12:57] <paulweb515> http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/viewvc.cgi/org.eclipse.orbit/org.eclipse.orbit.releng/maps/category.xml?root=Tools_Project&view=co&content-type=text/plain
[20:13:16] <protoquark> paulweb515: Thanks!
[20:13:27] <paulweb515> protoquark: that's the orbit guys generating all sorts of categories
[20:13:40] <paulweb515> protoquark: you should be able to generate something much simpler for your needs
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[20:13:55] <protoquark> paulweb515: Yup, thanks again.
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[20:15:27] <licksjp> nitind, back to 256 is start up Eclipse,but has changed 512,does it dialog and close
[20:16:50] <deekr> I accidentally added a bad site to my software site list while I was trying ot install a plugin. How do I remove it from this list?
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[20:17:30] <deekr> nvm
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[20:19:20] <nitind> licksjp: Do you have enough memory?
[20:19:53] <licksjp> 1GB
[20:20:02] <nitind> licksjp: And swap?
[20:20:40] <licksjp> I don't know
[20:20:48] <nitind> licksjp: Because it sounds like 512MB, being indicated as the *starting* memory amount, with a maximum separate PermGen area also of 512MB, might be asking more of your system than it will give.
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[20:26:31] <licksjp> nitind, only change --launcher.XXMaxPermSize
[20:26:31] <licksjp> 512M
[20:26:36] <licksjp> other 256
[20:27:09] <licksjp> It is startup eclipse
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[20:28:05] <nitind> licksjp: I would do it the other way, --launcher.XXMaxPermSize 256m and -Xmx 512m.  MaxPerm shouldn't be bigger than the regular heap.
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[20:31:11] <licksjp> other part has changed  512,show Dialog
[20:31:30] <nitind> licksjp: Leave the -Xms at 256m.
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[20:34:08] <devth> anyone had any problems with Eclipse / WTP when using a git repo?
[20:34:21] <devth> constantly having to clean / restart tomcat when making any java changes
[20:34:39] <devth> doesn't seem to happen when on a svn repo though.
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[20:37:25] <nitind> devth: You're using eGit or git from the command line?
[20:37:40] <devth> tried egit first, but now just using command line
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[20:38:48] <devth> the debugger gets out of sync with the source. have to clean tomcat work dir, clean server, clean project, clean server, clean tomcat start server for each java change.
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[20:44:52] <licksjp> nitind, thank you!! Pekom(_ _;m)$B;0(B(m;_ _)mPeko
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[20:56:08] <nitind> devth: Because there's nothing telling the Eclipse workspace that the files have changed, so nothing knows to republish.
[20:56:36] <devth> nitind: but it even happens when i just change a file locally
[20:56:56] <devth> in eclipse
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[20:58:53] <nitind> devth: Servlet source or JSP source?  Launched using Run or Debug?
[20:59:28] <devth> debug
[20:59:40] <devth> spring controllers and models
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[21:00:15] <nitind> I have no idea what those are, but what are you changing and does any of it need to be recompiled into .class files?
[21:00:29] <devth> yes, it needs to be recompiled
[21:00:45] <devth> the weird part is, it worked correctly (same project) when in svn
[21:00:47] <devth> we ported to git
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[21:02:26] <ron> does it happen to be a maven project?
[21:03:12] <nitind> Did you have Spring-specific plug-ins installed before but no longer?
[21:03:22] <devth> ron: yes it's maven
[21:03:30] <devth> nitind: i don't believe so
[21:03:40] <ron> which m2e version?
[21:03:43] <devth> nitind: (several devs work on this project)
[21:03:56] <devth> let me check
[21:04:14] <lonejack> hi, problem conf with eclipse helios. I installed Egit but when I go on team syncro... I see only cvs. Then I removed ~/.eclipse. But nothing. Please help me
[21:04:45] <nitind> lonejack: Installed it how?
[21:04:58] <lonejack> marketplace
[21:05:13] <ron> lonejack: did you set up a new synchronization with git?
[21:05:30] <devth> ron: give me 5 minutes while STS boots up ;)
[21:05:41] <ron> devth: heh
[21:05:57] <ron> devth: I'm now even happier I removed all the STS plugins :)
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[21:06:24] <lonejack> ron, for eclipse doesn't exist the git also if it is present on Eclipse Installation detrails->installed sw
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[21:06:49] <ron> lonejack: are you sure you have egit installed? :)
[21:06:56] <nitind> lonejack: You have a Git Repositories view available?
[21:08:27] <lonejack> nitind, ron: on section "installed sw" I've: Eclipse EGit, Eclipse Egiy Mylyn GitHub..., Eclipse JGit
[21:08:42] <nitind> lonejack: No, I mean in your IDE.  Right now.
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[21:10:32] <devth> ron: looking in my installation details, i see a ton of sonatype maven integration plugins, but not "m2e" specifically. do you happen to know the actual plugin name?
[21:10:51] <lonejack> nitind, before to answer please specify what is for you an IDE. Before your question for me Eclipse was an IDE....
[21:11:04] <devth> ron: they're all around 0.10 or 0.11
[21:11:08] <ron> devth: Maven Integration for Eclipse
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[21:11:26] <devth> ron: that one is 0.10.2
[21:11:28] <ron> devth: err.. which eclipse version do ou use?
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[21:11:49] <devth> ron: well, it's STS 2.5.1
[21:12:01] <devth> i think my coworker upgraded to latest and experiences the problem more than i
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[21:12:46] <ron> devth: well, that m2e version is ancient :) I can say that lately I've been having similar issues though with the maven target being out of sync in eclipse.
[21:13:12] <devth> ron: heh ok. i suppose i'll upgrade and see what happens
[21:13:25] <devth> ron: have you tried both svn and git?
[21:13:31] <ron> devth: well, it still happens to me and I'm using a newer version.
[21:13:53] <ron> devth: I can say I didn't experience issues with svn when I used it, but in this project it's only git.
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[21:14:30] <ron> devth: instead of cleaning the whole world and its sister, try refreshing (F5) the target dir of the project(s).
[21:14:55] <devth> ron: ok. strange that the scm would affect it.
[21:15:09] <ron> devth: you are correct. and I doubt that it does :)
[21:16:12] <ron> devth: in the meantime, do you happen to be a Spring wiz? :)
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[21:16:43] <devth> ron: hah, nope. pretty new to it myself. my coworkers set it up...
[21:17:01] <ron> devth: then you're useless to me ;)
[21:17:16] <devth> ron: you're right about that :)
[21:17:38] <ron> devth: don't beat yourself up :) I'm new to Spring as well. hating every minute.
[21:17:40] <lisak> if you create a project (not default location) and then you decide to move it some place else
[21:18:00] <lisak> is it necessary to move it on FS, delete in WS and import again ?
[21:18:03] <devth> ron: lol. i didn't want to knock spring in the #eclipse channel, but i completely agree
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[21:18:29] <ron> devth: though I admit that ignorance may be the reason more than the framework itself.
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[21:18:47] <ron> lisak: I imagine that would be your best bet.
[21:19:27] <lisak> really sux in case of huge maven multimodule project
[21:19:45] <devth> ron: i've gotten mixed feedback from epxerienced spring devs. some love it (or only know it and therefore don't know what else to compare to) and some hate it (usually rails-loving devs)
[21:19:55] <lisak> I'm gonna have to spend 10 minutes now doing that
[21:20:07] <ron> lisak: 10 minutes? wow.
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[21:21:12] <lisak> you would move 14 projects  in 1 minute, I know
[21:22:08] <ron> move them all together?
[21:22:25] <ron> devth: personally, I come from the J2EE world.
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[21:25:33] <lisak> I'm a dickhead, I forgot that m2eclipse can create x projects in the same time
[21:25:45] <lisak> import
[21:25:55] <devth> ron: yeah i'm new to java (but have years of c# experience), and can't say i like it that much and have been more interested in dynamic langs lately. scala is interesting.
[21:26:43] <ron> devth: I despise anything microsofty ;) as for scala, I agree that it sounds interesting but I hear it's got quite a few issues.
[21:27:21] <devth> ron: agree on ms, i escaped that racket a few years ago for ruby :)
[21:27:35] <devth> ron: we're beginning to use bits of scala in spring to try it out
[21:27:46] <ron> I may actually need to learn ruby in a few months :-/
[21:29:24] <devth> ron: java devs seem to not like it. i think it's a lot of fun
[21:30:39] <ron> devth: well, I have nothing against ruby, really. I just don't like learning more languages, and ruby probably wouldn't be my first choice.
[21:30:48] <ron> then again, at least it's not php.
[21:30:50] <ron> :)
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[21:58:57] <pwnguin> any way to upgrade an /opt install of eclipse to 3.7 without losing my plugins?
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[22:01:40] <rcjsuen> well what have you tried so far
[22:02:24] <pwnguin> first i tried to upgrade via eclipse itself and nothing came up
[22:02:45] <pwnguin> so then i just downloaded the new version and installed to /opt/eclipse-indigo/
[22:03:06] <rcjsuen> Eclipse won't find anything to update to if you don't add the new update site
[22:03:12] <pwnguin> hmm
[22:03:28] <pwnguin> wonder if ive already accidentally nuked the available sites thing.
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[22:10:39] <protoquark> is it possible to take the output from export as deployable feature->Save as Ant Script and run that in the headless build environment?
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[22:28:57] <mpiggott__> pwnguin: Make sure the install location isn't read-only to the user you're running as
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[22:30:00] <pwnguin> i think ive botched some settings already by opening a workspace with indigo
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[22:42:38] <pwnguin> interesting
[22:42:46] <pwnguin> drwxrwsr-x  9 messagebus users         4096 2011-06-15 01:51 eclipse-indigo
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[22:59:31] <qwp> hey how can you pin 2 different eclipse exe files to the windows 7 taskbar so it appears as two separate programs and isnt combined into one?
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[23:02:37] <explodes> :0
[23:02:57] <explodes> Is there a plug in so i can right click a tab and mark that file read only so i dont accidentally change stuff?
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[23:06:03] <abhatnag> explodes: even if you change something, when closing the file, it would ask you, save changes?, hit no...wouldn't that suffice?
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[23:06:26] <explodes> I might accidentally hit save, i save impulsively...
[23:06:35] <ron> hehe
[23:06:47] <ron> I think it's a fair request.
[23:06:47] <abhatnag> ah haha...well I don't know of any such plugin, sorry
[23:08:08] <explodes> Dang.
[23:10:54] <qwp> fuck this sucks so hard
[23:11:07] <qwp> it collapses stuff located in different folders into one and leaves the icon empty while running
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[23:18:44] <ron> qwp: try this: http://brianreiter.org/2010/07/15/pin-eclipse-helios-to-windows-7-taskbar/
[23:19:41] <protoquark> Does anyone have any tips on creating a headless P2 repository build of a feature?
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[23:22:47] <nitind> explodes: Just mark it read only, then.
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[23:23:07] <mpiggott> qwp: YOu can always use local history
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[23:32:46] <qwp> ron: this sucks so hard
[23:33:06] <qwp> its a windows problem though
[23:33:12] <ron> yup.
[23:33:13] <qwp> ron: also that link is unrelated to the problem
[23:33:25] <ron> don't be so sure.
[23:33:34] <qwp> its about pinning having two different exe files not collapse into one
[23:33:46] <qwp> ron: trust me im sure i tried all of it, seen that link
[23:34:33] <ron> well, you can disable application grouping.
[23:34:45] <qwp> ron: can i change the internal exe id or something? so windows treats it as different programs
[23:35:03] <ron> did you try changing the exe name?
[23:35:03] <qwp> i have eclipse cdt and eclipse java in two different foldes and thats how i want it
[23:35:14] <qwp> i want them to be two different symbols in the taksbar i can click on
[23:35:38] <qwp> ron: name is irrelevant. tried calling it via scripts, .lnks, batchfiles, doesnt work
[23:35:44] <qwp> ron: windows only seems to care about some internal id or something
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[23:36:52] <qwp> ron: i noticed that for two different firefox profiles it works as a dirty hack if i run one of the profiles in compatibility mode, that doesnt work for eclipse
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[23:42:25] <pulse00> hi all. has anyone ever had an issue with deploying an update to an eclipse updatesite, but eclipse doesn't recognize the new version and says "no updates found" for your feature?
[23:42:30] <qwp> ron: do you understand the problem?
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[23:46:36] <pulse00> that's so weird: the update site.xml clearly shows version 1.0.7, but in the update manager of eclipse it shows 1.0.69... although i restarted it with the --clean option: http://pulse00.github.com/Twig-Eclipse-Plugin/site.xml
[23:47:25] <ron> qwp: http://download.cnet.com/7-Taskbar-Tweaker/3000-2072_4-10973305.html <-- that'll solve your woes.
[23:47:58] <qwp> how can i change the windows id?
[23:49:44] <qwp> ron: that sounds good
[23:50:05] <qwp> "Disable grouping of windows by file path or application id" thought that is not exactly what i want
[23:50:17] <ron> qwp: you can use it to control which application ids to group and which to not.
[23:50:23] <qwp> ron: i want the two different exe to group seprately
[23:50:38] <qwp> i dont want them to entirely not group
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[23:51:05] <qwp> ron: the solution would be changing the application id of one of the eclipse installs
[23:51:05] <qwp> can i do that?
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[23:51:22] <ron> I don't think so :-/
[23:51:31] <qwp> why not where is it set? its open source isnt it
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[23:52:29] <qwp> why is windows so retarded and doesnt treat two different exe files as two different grouping entities
[23:52:55] <ron> because they literally have the same application id.
[23:53:02] <qwp> let me calc the hash of the files and maybe change some nop or something if it isnt about ids
[23:53:10] <qwp> ron: where is the app id stored?
[23:53:21] <ron> in the exe? :)
[23:53:36] <ron> http://www.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Enhancements/Other-Desktop-Enhancements/Win7AppId.shtml
[23:53:39] <ron> there ya go.
[23:54:09] <qwp> if it is stored in the exe then i should be able to change it
[23:54:21] <qwp> hey cool nice ron
[23:54:23] <qwp> let me try that
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[23:54:58] <ron> unless you know how to change binary code, you won't be able to change the exe ;)
[23:56:44] <qwp> http://code.google.com/p/win7appid/
[23:58:15] <ron> anyways, it's really late and I'm too tired. goodluck with your adventure.
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