[00:01:30] <heffner> Ugh!
[00:01:44] <heffner> I dled it, and am trying to open it up.. i get this error
[00:02:13] <heffner> failed to load the JNI shared library
[00:02:27] <heffner> \jmv.dll
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[00:10:02] <nitind> heffner: No 32-bit/64-bit mismatches?
[00:10:42] <heffner> i'm on 64 and i dl'd the 64
[00:10:53] <heffner> eclipse-jee-indigo-win32-x86_64.zip
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[00:11:33] <nitind> And you've made sure it's a 64-bit JRE?
[00:11:45] <nitind> "java -version" from the command prompt should mention that it's 64-bit.
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[00:17:13] <heffner> C:\Users\heff>java -version
[00:17:13] <heffner> java version "1.6.0_21"
[00:17:15] <heffner> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_21-b06)
[00:17:16] <heffner> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 17.0-b16, mixed mode, sharing)
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[00:22:14] <Hamled> Is there any way to change the whitespace characters font/color/opacity on Windows? I see that a transparency control was added a while ago in 3.3 (the only screenshot I saw was on a Linux machine and on my 3.6 the option is not there)
[00:23:16] <nitind> heffner: Looks like it's a 32-bit JRE.
[00:23:48] <heffner> nitind: what indicates that?
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[00:25:09] <nitind> heffner: The lack of it identifying itself as a 64-bit VM.
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[00:28:58] <heffner> ugh
[00:29:02] <heffner> i'll log back on later
[00:29:11] <heffner> thanks nitind
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[00:54:24] <MaxPrt> is there a way to run a web project on server from eclipse under a resource name different to the project name?
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[00:59:22] <The_8472> when i'm trying to install JDT in eclipse 3.7 it seems to be stuck in an endless loop, downloading the same plugins over and over again
[00:59:27] <The_8472> any way to fix that?
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[01:05:10] <paulweb515_> The_8472: what did you start with?  Eclipse for Java Developers (EPP) and the classic Eclipse SDK both already contain JDT
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[01:07:08] <The_8472> paulweb515, barebones. just eclipse platform
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[01:11:12] <paulweb515_> The_8472: I'm not sure why it would freak out like that.
[01:11:28] <paulweb515_> The_8472: Did you pick "all sites" or just the Eclipse Update site?
[01:11:37] <The_8472> the latter
[01:13:19] <nitind> And you'r starting with Indigo?
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[01:13:36] <The_8472> well, 3.7 platform
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[01:13:43] <The_8472> not a bundle
[01:14:17] <paulweb515_> The_8472: I'd try restarting, and then go and do it again Help>install software, pick Eclipse Update Site, pick JDT and install
[01:14:38] <paulweb515_> The_8472: Where in the world are you?  The mirrors should be mostly populated, but there's always a chance of failure
[01:14:54] <The_8472> it's downloading the plugins just fine
[01:15:00] <The_8472> and once they're done it downloads them again
[01:15:04] <The_8472> and again and again
[01:15:42] <paulweb515_> The_8472: anything in your .log?
[01:15:54] <The_8472> in the workspace?
[01:16:08] <paulweb515_> The_8472: yes
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[01:17:39] <paulweb515_> wow, that's weird
[01:17:50] <The_8472> sec, cleaned the log... trying again
[01:18:08] <paulweb515_> I downloaded eclipse-platform-3.7-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz and then went to the Eclipse Updates site
[01:18:14] <paulweb515_> I can't see JDT at all
[01:18:21] <The_8472> it's in the indigo site
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[01:18:41] <paulweb515_> I had to get rid of categories
[01:19:02] <paulweb515_> The_8472: I'm not sure what's on Indigo, but the one you want is in the Eclipse Updates
[01:19:02] <The_8472> oh, i'll try from the other update site then
[01:20:06] <paulweb515_> The_8472: OK, that took <60seconds to install and restart
[01:20:28] <The_8472> same endless loop
[01:20:31] <paulweb515_> The_8472: I'll just mention you might want to get the Eclipse for Java Developers as it has most java focused tools
[01:20:41] <paulweb515_> The_8472: restart please, and we'll try again
[01:21:04] <The_8472> i've restarted several times already...
[01:21:50] <The_8472> also, no .log entries
[01:21:53] <paulweb515_> The_8472: yes, but you can't run a test now if a leftover glitch is preventing any changes from taking effect
[01:21:58] <paulweb515_> The_8472: OK, go to Preferences>install/update>available software sites.  Pick the Eclipse update site and reload it
[01:22:33] <paulweb515_> Then try and install Eclipse Java Development Tools
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[01:22:54] <The_8472> you mean http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.7? ok
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[01:23:46] <The_8472> same loop
[01:23:47] <paulweb515_> The_8472: yes, that one
[01:23:53] <paulweb515_> OK, exit your eclipse
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[01:24:21] <paulweb515_> Go to where your stuff is installed, and then try the director
[01:24:36] <paulweb515_> eclipse/eclipse -noSplash -application org.eclipse.equinox.p2.director -consoleLog -repository http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.7 -i org.eclipse.jdt.feature.group
[01:25:27] <The_8472> returns immediately
[01:25:46] <paulweb515_> Mine says: Installing org.eclipse.jdt.feature.group 3.7.0.v20110520-0800-7z8gFchFMTdFYKuLqBLqRja9B15B.
[01:25:47] <paulweb515_> Operation completed in 2666 ms.
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[01:26:09] <The_8472> well, it forks into a javaw process, so i probably don't see the output
[01:26:13] <paulweb515_> The_8472: I can't speak to your system, but it's clear there's something wrong.  With no .log, though, I'm not sure how to diagnose the problem
[01:26:37] <paulweb515_> The_8472: ah, yes.  you can use eclipsec.exe next time for more output
[01:27:04] <paulweb515_> The_8472: have a look at your windows task manager :-)  Is it still running, or did it exit?
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[01:27:25] <The_8472> it creates a javaw that terminates within a second or two
[01:27:51] <The_8472> ok, modified eclipse.ini to run java.exe instead
[01:28:26] <kesselhaus> paulweb515: use the Indigo - http://download.eclipse.org/releases/indigo  update site .. under programming languages "Eclipse Java Development Tools"
[01:28:53] <paulweb515_> kesselhaus: it must be categorized on Indigo ...
[01:28:57] <The_8472> Installing org.eclipse.jdt.feature.group 3.7.0.v20110520-0800-7z8gFchFMTdFYKuLqB
[01:28:58] <The_8472> LqRja9B15B.
[01:29:15] <The_8472> doesn't terminate
[01:30:05] <paulweb515_> The_8472: mine finished in 2 secs
[01:30:19] <The_8472> ah
[01:30:38] <The_8472> !ENTRY org.eclipse.core.jobs 4 2 2011-06-23 01:33:21.360
[01:30:39] <The_8472> !MESSAGE An internal error occurred during: "Install download3".
[01:30:39] <The_8472> !STACK 0
[01:30:39] <The_8472> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Comparison method violates its general contr
[01:30:39] <The_8472> act!
[01:30:49] <The_8472> damn newlines...
[01:30:55] <kesselhaus> hmm, mine finished too, used the C/C++ EPP as base and installed quite some additional stuff ...
[01:31:44] <The_8472> that exception seems familiar... that seems like some bug in eclipse. it's violating the Comparable contract.
[01:32:47] <The_8472> so eclipse is broken on java7. great -.-
[01:33:17] <paulweb515_> The_8472: for your "continual downloading" problem, please open a bug against 3.7: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Equinox&component=p2
[01:33:25] <paulweb515_> oh, java 7 ... ah
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[01:33:41] <paulweb515_> bah, I don't have one installed
[01:33:53] <paulweb515_> The_8472: well, when you open your bug please mention that :-)
[01:34:32] <paulweb515_> ah git rebase, is there anything you *can't* do :-)
[01:35:02] <The_8472> hah! there already is a bug
[01:35:08] <The_8472> but it's not fixed :(
[01:35:46] <paulweb515_> The_8472: can you echo the bug URL (or use ~350038
[01:35:48] <Arbalest> Bug 350038 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=350038 - Platform / Releng / 3.7 - PC / Linux - NEW / normal / - Assignee: platform-releng-inbox - [git] Converted repos and maintenance branches not quite right
[01:36:09] <The_8472> ~317785
[01:36:10] <Arbalest> Bug 317785 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=317785 - Equinox / p2 / unspecified - PC / Windows XP - ASSIGNED / major / - Assignee: john_arthorne - [repository] Synchronization problem in mirror selection
[01:37:26] <The_8472> it's odd though. i didn't have that problem with previous updates
[01:37:35] <paulweb515_> The_8472: thanx
[01:37:45] <The_8472> i guess it's data-dependent
[01:38:04] <paulweb515_> The_8472: you can update your eclipse with the post-vmargs -Djava.util.Arrays.useLegacyMergeSort=true
[01:38:08] <paulweb515_> The_8472: maybe that will help
[01:38:51] <paulweb515_> good luck
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[01:41:12] <The_8472> nope
[01:41:38] <The_8472> i guess i'll have to install java 6 then
[01:43:54] <The_8472> yep. works with jdk6
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[01:45:05] <kesselhaus> i just wonder, if they even tested for java7 at all ...
[01:46:07] <The_8472> well, if you use a bundle instead of the update installer then you woudn't notice this issue
[01:46:25] <The_8472> and i've been using 3.6 on java 7 for a while now
[01:47:35] <kesselhaus> well, just have the jre6 .. i do not care about java that much anyway :/
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[01:56:06] <The_8472> aand... next issue. http://pastebin.com/X9uSdDP9
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[02:07:17] <djMax> is it possible to add a set of jar's in a folder to the build path of a Java class library in eclipse?
[02:07:24] <djMax> (without adding each one)
[02:07:59] <djMax> Apache Axis2 has 20 jars, which just seems like a joke
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[02:11:45] <The_8472> i don't see how that would seem like a joke. think of jars as library files
[02:11:52] <The_8472> most applications load tons of libraries
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[02:12:14] <The_8472> have a lib directory and add lib/** to your classpath
[02:12:20] <djMax> I know, but now I have to sit here and click 20 times * 6 or whatever just to add axis2 to my project
[02:12:33] <The_8472> you can do mass-selects you know
[02:12:38] <djMax> I have the lib dir, and I reference libs with variable paths, doesn't seem to like * there
[02:13:13] <djMax> I'm sure there's a better way than what I'm doing, just not understanding it enough to see it.
[02:13:16] <The_8472> java has to interpret the *, not your command shell. so wrap them in quotes if necessary
[02:13:43] <djMax> My workspace has 5 projects, one lib directory at the top level where all third party libs go (subdirs for stuff like axiom/axis2, etc)
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[02:14:09] <djMax> So I say "configure build path"/libraries-> add variable, then extend, point to the file and go.
[02:14:11] <The_8472> oh, in eclipse... there you can just go to the project properties and add a bunch of jars to the build path
[02:14:19] <The_8472> no need to use variables
[02:14:28] <djMax> otherwise it's going to store absolute paths right?
[02:14:43] <The_8472> you can use workspace-relative paths
[02:14:56] <djMax> ooh, how do I do that?
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[02:15:42] <The_8472> projectname/path works for me
[02:16:58] <djMax> hmmm... It doesn't show the lib folder in the selection for "Add JAR", where would i select them from to get ws-relative paths?
[02:17:21] <The_8472> if you do add jars you can just select from a workspace folder
[02:17:47] <djMax> It is a workspace folder, but it's not a workspace project and thus doesn't seem to show up there
[02:17:52] <The_8472> although i think it's odd that wildcards don't work in variables
[02:18:02] <The_8472> well, then make a project?
[02:18:45] <djMax> what kind? It's not actually buildable it's just a folder of stuff
[02:19:19] <The_8472> general -> project would do
[02:19:25] <The_8472> or java project
[02:19:57] <djMax> got it, perfecto. Thanks. Death to variable paths. :)
[02:21:02] <djMax> yeesh, disjoint selection really should work in that box
[02:21:49] <tholl583xx> i had been starting to learn git, but i am doing some work on a project that is using mercurial. i am finding a lot easier to get my heaad around and more sensible. is this because mercurial is better, or did i do all the steep learning getting my head around git and am transferring it to hg?
[02:22:11] <The_8472> djMax, it does
[02:22:35] <djMax> not ctrl-click?
[02:22:45] <The_8472> it's ctrl-click for me
[02:22:56] <djMax> windows? I'm Mac, no worky there.
[02:23:07] <The_8472> yeah, windows
[02:23:17] <djMax> cmd-click... got it.
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[03:59:59] <paulweb515_> tholl583xx: to be honest, I don't think the mechanism of the SCM is the hard part.  Managing multiple release streams for multiple products is hard, I don't care if a person's using CVS, ClearCase, SVN, Git, or Hg
[04:00:36] <paulweb515_> tholl583xx: but yes, I think if you learned some of the DVCS concepts when starting with git they probably apply to Hg as well ...
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[06:59:51] <BoF> buenas alguien de habla hispana?
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[07:02:22] <ron> no habla hispana
[07:02:31] <BoF> ron, can you help me?
[07:02:41] <ron> I can try
[07:02:56] <BoF> i need to make a report
[07:03:29] <BoF> i have ireport
[07:03:44] <ron> ok..
[07:04:03] <BoF> and the ireport found but i need launch the report whit java
[07:04:19] <BoF> i have a swing aplication whit a button and he say Report
[07:04:38] <BoF> if i click that button i need to show me the report
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[07:04:55] <BoF> can help me?
[07:07:19] <ron> ireport is jasperreport?
[07:08:07] <BoF> i make the report with ireport
[07:08:22] <BoF> ireport 4.0.2
[07:08:27] <ron> can you link me to ireport?
[07:08:53] <BoF> ?
[07:08:56] <BoF> link you?
[07:09:05] <ron> give me a link so I can see what ireport is.
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[07:11:42] <BoF> ron, http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/64/vers.png/
[07:13:09] <ron> oi. Unity.
[07:13:50] <BoF> ?
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[10:11:24] <ngc2997> hi... eclipse 3.7 won't let me install subversive svn team provider because of a missing requirement (org.maven.ide.eclipse - see http://pastebin.com/QXK10ABC) - to my knowledge, maven already comes with the "eclipse for java developers" package...
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[10:31:43] <topriddy> which is the latest stable release if eclipse for windows. and a link please???
[10:32:03] <topriddy> too many links here gets me confused
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[10:33:24] <ron> ~download
[10:33:28] <ron> ~downloads
[10:33:28] <Arbalest> Looking for a specific Eclipse version? - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Where_can_I_get_Eclipse.3F - http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/ - http://archive.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/
[10:37:15] <topriddy> ron: maybe i should stick to my current version since it works well
[10:37:37] <ron> which version do you currently use?
[10:38:43] <topriddy> ron 3.5 and 3.6
[10:38:53] <ron> you use both? :)
[10:38:57] <topriddy> ron: i use 3.5 for my blackberry related developments
[10:39:02] <ron> I see.
[10:39:17] <ron> well, 3.7 was released yesterday, though there's no rush upgrading it.
[10:40:01] <topriddy> ron: the tools for RIM plugin works best with 3.5, my other java development efforts uses 3.6. i saw the 3.7 news link on twitter, i dont mind trying it. but i got confused when i saw 4.X on the downloads site too
[10:40:47] <ron> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ <--- no 4.X there.
[10:41:14] <topriddy> ron: but there is here: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/
[10:42:03] <ron> that's eclipse sdk though. just use the download link I gave you.
[10:42:18] <topriddy> ron: okay.
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[10:44:11] <topriddy> ron: am downloading this. http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/technology/epp/downloads/release/indigo/R/eclipse-jee-indigo-win32-x86_64.zip
[10:44:18] <topriddy> ron: thanks.
[10:44:34] <topriddy> ron: but really what's up with the 4.X stuff i saw initially?
[10:44:45] <ron> it's still in beta.
[10:45:03] <ron> 4.x is a major release and its development takes a long time. it includes quite a few changes.
[10:46:35] <topriddy> ron: alright.
[10:47:34] <topriddy> ron: i used to enjoy netbeans back in days, but they have been keeping up with 3rd party plugin supports, plus its now slower
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[10:48:03] <ron> never used it.
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[10:56:12] <ngc2997> hm i wonder if it's intentional that (at least) the sdk and "for java developers" indigo packages come without "preinstalled" indigo software site
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[10:57:47] <ron> what update site is included with it?
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[11:00:07] <ngc2997> none, as far as i can see on a fresh installation here (linux-gtk, x86_64)
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[11:09:30] <ngc2997> ok, never mind - seems my initial problem is solved by using the sdk rather than the "for java developers" package... *sigh*
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[12:18:23] <FauxFaux> Everything.  NEXT.
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[12:20:36] 
[12:20:37] <tilerendering> are more plugins than in netbeans, but with questionable quality. And what is cool about somebody involved in the development process telling me "everything" as an answer to my question on the coolest new features of the new release ? ;)
[12:21:50] <tilerendering> next.
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[12:24:52] <paulweb515_> tilerendering: specific things might have questionable quality, but most of the plugins are decent.  UML is not very popular anywhere, but there is some UML stuff - http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=uml2 for example
[12:25:12] <FauxFaux> I use google docs for UML these days.
[12:25:27] <FauxFaux> But that's because I actually design stuff instead of reverse engineering it from existing code.
[12:26:04] <paulweb515_> I don't use UML ... the spec ended up being to complicated because they had to insert too many implementation details for the code-generating people
[12:26:19] <paulweb515_> Or so my friend that worked on UML tooling told me :-)
[12:28:44] <paulweb515_> tilerendering: as for interesting :-)  http://www.eclipse.org/ says Indigo has Maven integration, WindowBuilder, EGit, etc
[12:29:45] <FauxFaux> (So much sadness.)
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[12:30:06] <paulweb515_> :-)
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[12:58:13] <paulweb515> sadness is caused by trying to convert CVS to git ... well, confusion, anyway
[12:59:34] <FauxFaux> I didn't read that mailing list post, I probably should've.  I'm guessing your mistake is attempting to do anything except get the content into git in any form as quickly as possible, then using git filter-branch to fix eveyrthing, though. :)
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[13:06:27] <ron> I'm gonna need to do my first git push today. I fear it.
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[13:08:00] <paulweb515> FauxFaux: we ended up picking cvs2git to do the conversion, and I think it does a good job
[13:08:34] <ron> don't you use clearcase? :)
[13:09:05] <paulweb515> FauxFaux: but it creates "delete commits" for most tags and most branches.  It's trying to delete any file not in the branch (which makes sense) but unfortunately that leaves us with useless maintenance branches
[13:09:27] <paulweb515> FauxFaux: To be fair, I seem to be able to fix it with a git rebase
[13:09:42] <FauxFaux> Mmm, I don't really know what CVS people expect branches to do, except cause them massive pain.
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[13:10:23] <paulweb515> FauxFaux: but that means I gotta track down every manufactured commit that ony has delete semantics (and doesn't have more than one parent), and re-base it ... or get the tool to stop generating those commits
[13:10:52] <paulweb515> FauxFaux: does filter-branch process all the commits?  .... scanning
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[13:13:27] <paulweb515> hmmm, --parent-filter looks promising
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[13:36:43] <jimmysparkle> where has the eclipse market place gone?
[13:37:02] <jimmysparkle> has it been ditched in indigo?
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[13:38:09] <ron> did you download the classic package?
[13:41:24] <jimmysparkle> yeah ron
[13:41:29] <jimmysparkle> i usually get the PDT package
[13:41:46] <ron> the classic doesn't include EMP. you need to add it manually.
[13:42:04] <jimmysparkle> wha
[13:42:08] <jimmysparkle> lol
[13:42:09] <jimmysparkle> why?!
[13:42:17] <jimmysparkle> thats nutz...
[13:42:18] <jimmysparkle> okay
[13:42:21] <jimmysparkle> how do i add it?
[13:42:49] <jimmysparkle> found it...
[13:43:13] <jimmysparkle> oh no -broken link: http://download.eclipse.org/mpc/indigo/
[13:43:54] <jimmysparkle> what version should i install if then now PDT isn't here.. classic doesn't get the market and the market update site page doesn't work...
[13:45:24] <jimmysparkle> found it
[13:45:25] <jimmysparkle> :P
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[13:47:50] <Hui_Nan> hi all
[13:48:15] <Hui_Nan> I wonder how can I run tests from Eclipse (perl, EPIC, Test::Most)
[13:49:07] <Hui_Nan> it should be a command like `prove -lv t/<filename>` from the root of a project
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[14:00:10] <briandealwis> jimmysparkle: you should be able to fetch it from the normal Indigo update site
[14:00:38] <jimmysparkle> briandealwis: yeah I found it there cheers
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[14:16:24] <FauxFaux> paulweb515: filter-branch lets you do pretty much anything, yeah; it's kind of the underpinnings of rebase.
[14:18:55] <paulweb515> FauxFaux: I might have found a place to fake out the tool and get rid of the single case of commits I hate
[14:19:24] <paulweb515> if only I didn't hate python *so* much ...
[14:19:42] <FauxFaux> <3!  I probably hate it more.
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[14:29:12] <briandealwis> paulweb515: so will we be pushing to git.eclipse.org or to the mirrors on github, which will be mirrored back?
[14:29:39] <FauxFaux> Doesn't really matter, with git. :)
[14:29:59] <briandealwis> well depends on whether it's a bidirectional mirror
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[14:30:34] <paulweb515> briandealwis: AFAIK the mirrors on github pull from git.eclipse.org, we never go the other way
[14:30:44] <briandealwis> ok
[14:31:08] <paulweb515> well, in theory a committer could fork on github and push back to the main repo ... but not to the github repo (at least I don't believe so)
[14:31:09] <briandealwis> I pitied the poor soul who'd have to maintain the write mappings on github otherwise
[14:31:12] <paulweb515> zx might know
[14:31:18] <briandealwis> yeah, that'll work fine
[14:31:28] <briandealwis> the beauty of dvcs
[14:31:45] * briandealwis very much looking forward to no longer using CVs
[14:31:54] * briandealwis urp, CVS
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[14:51:40] <ron> can I run a dynamic web project in eclipse using jetty?
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[14:52:46] <FauxFaux> Window -> view -> servers -> add new -> see if jetty is in the list?
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[14:53:10] <ron> nope. when I try to install an adapter it spits at me.
[14:53:41] <FauxFaux> Probably not, then. :)
[14:54:14] <ron> http://pastebin.com/BQD7XV34
[14:54:16] <ron> that's the error
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[14:57:14] <The_8472> hrmpf... 3.7 does something with the taskbar API and thus i can't pin it...
[14:57:20] <The_8472> brilliant idea ~~
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[14:58:56] <ron> aha, found a proper adapter.
[14:59:16] <ron> The_8472: maybe the hack for 3.6 works for 3.7 as well.
[14:59:52] <The_8472> link?
[15:00:02] <The_8472> (i didn't need any hack for 3.6)
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[15:00:43] <jimmysparkle> Anyone know how I can have my workspace pointing to a samba share?
[15:00:59] <ron> The_8472: http://brianreiter.org/2010/07/15/pin-eclipse-helios-to-windows-7-taskbar/
[15:01:10] <ron> jimmysparkle: you *really* don't want to do that.
[15:01:16] <jimmysparkle> how come ron?
[15:01:36] <ron> something about workspaces and network drives.. not a good combination.
[15:01:43] <The_8472> ah thx, i'll try that
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[15:02:16] <jimmysparkle> my issue is I have a virtualised linux web-server - and I need way of modifying the files from a mac
[15:02:16] <acron17> hi there! is it possible to use a PropertyPage to create an "item" (by item i mean an object which are not IResoruces but is rendered in my view)
[15:02:17] <paulweb515> jimmysparkle: if samba reports a different timestamp, your workspace might get into the "oh that's changed on disk, must reload" problem
[15:02:24] <The_8472> ron, it worked :)
[15:02:43] <paulweb515> jimmysparkle: some people have had success using the RSE part of ~TM
[15:02:43] <Arbalest> Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/tm/
[15:02:44] <rcjsuen> acron17: I don't understand what this has to do with property pages.
[15:02:45] <ron> The_8472: congrats. odd this it's a bug that was supposed to be fixed with indigo, agaik.
[15:03:26] <jimmysparkle> ill have a look thanks
[15:03:29] <acron17> i just created a PropertyPage for such objects and observed that i just duplicated my code for creating an "item" through a dialog
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[15:04:35] <acron17> my item consists of some plain data (e.g. url, user, password) this data is required to create such an item and is displayed in the property page
[15:04:55] <acron17> i wonder if i can somehow reuse the propertypage code also for creating
[15:05:13] <jimmysparkle> paulweb515 would I hook the RSE part of target management to samba?
[15:05:19] <jimmysparkle> or are you saying don't use samba at all?
[15:05:25] <paulweb515> jimmysparkle: don't use SAMBA at all
[15:05:29] <jimmysparkle> ftp?
[15:05:52] <paulweb515> jimmysparkle: RSE works with sftp/ssh and offers your workspace a "local" copy of the files
[15:05:52] <jimmysparkle> i can't talk to the filesystem as mac doesn't like to play nicely with linux
[15:06:00] <jimmysparkle> oh ssh
[15:06:06] <jimmysparkle> that would work :P
[15:07:26] <paulweb515> I know it's commonly used to edit files on a remote server (usually web server) from eclipse.  I don't know if you make changes and "push" them or if it sets up a remote EFS so you edit them and it syncs them automatically
[15:09:05] <acron17> maybe this screenshots help to explain my question:
[15:09:19] <acron17> create dialog: http://postimage.org/image/2zi38fiw4/
[15:09:33] <acron17> propertypage: http://postimage.org/image/2zi6ji7vo/
[15:10:29] <acron17> my create dialog and the property page look very similar and the code is almost identical... i wonder if i can reuse the code of the propertypage somehow
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[15:16:58] <rcjsuen> Why don't you just refactor the code then
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[15:21:26] <acron17> rcjsuen: that is what i want to do, i'm asking of how to do it.
[15:21:53] <rcjsuen> nobody says you have to reuse the property page itself
[15:22:00] <rcjsuen> you should just extract the common code and put it in a separate class, no/
[15:22:25] <acron17> should i just code a helper method that can be called inside the createControls() methods of Property- and DialoPage?
[15:22:46] <rcjsuen> That would be the most straightforward way anyway.
[15:23:23] <acron17> well, thats the only possibility i can think of...
[15:23:37] <acron17> i'm asking if there are others, too
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[15:32:29] <ron> hmm, can I trigger a tooltip on whateveer I'm currently on without using the mouse?
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[15:42:10] <grey> How the heck can I install MPC if I downloaded eclipse classic?
[15:42:38] <ron> using your version's update site.
[15:42:51] <ron> surprisingly, it's a plugin.
[15:43:22] <grey> no need to be a jerk about it :P
[15:44:01] <ron> no need to barge in like that.
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[15:45:50] <rsctm> how can i set eclipse not to dipslay "Class File Editor / Source not found" window when i hit f5/f6 in debugging mode and the the target source file is not open?
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[15:51:52] <patrick_h> I'm trying to look at an arduino project - all the files in in the .pde extension - how do I get eclipse to index the project and display it nicely as if it were c/c++?
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[15:54:14] <patrick_h> I added the c/c++ editor file accociation to .pde files and that give syntax hilighting
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[15:55:58] <saml> i have a maven project.  do I use  mvn ecilpse:eclipse  to generate ecilpse projects?  or can eclipse indigo read pom.xml  as project directly?
[15:56:33] <patrick_h> duhh never mind I added .pde and a C++ source file type
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[15:59:03] <jimmysparkle> paulweb515: I've created a project from a Remote SSH System, but the changes I make aren't being sync'ed back to the remote system?
[15:59:26] <jimmysparkle> oh maybe i need to create a remote project...
[16:00:01] <ron> saml: m2eclipse can import pom.xml directly.
[16:00:01] <jimmysparkle> oh yes - fixed it :P
[16:00:14] <jimmysparkle> thanks for the suggestion paulweb515 - exactly what i was looking for
[16:00:21] <saml> ron, thanks
[16:01:27] <acron17> is there some kind of generic property sheet? the faq sounds like it is: http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_use_property_pages%3F
[16:01:40] <acron17> "If the part does not provide a page, the property sheet presents a default page that solicits key/value pairs from the active part?s selection."
[16:02:52] <saml> how can I exclude classes   from resource open dialog
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[16:17:26] <ron> is there a way to change the content directory of a dynamic web project?
[16:18:21] 
[16:19:17] <FauxFaux> http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/icm-setup.png setup instructions at my old place of work, before it was automagicated.
[16:20:01] <ron> was that for me?
[16:20:37] <FauxFaux> Yes, yes it was.
[16:21:28] <ron> well, the .settings helped, the posted image... not sure what's that about :)
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[16:22:49] <ron> well, I found the setting location. thanks.
[16:27:58] <ron> I can't understand why I don't get the vaadin artifacts from maven.
[16:28:01] <ron> o_O
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[16:32:29] <axelm7> hi everybody. quick question here. I am using Eclipse CDT to code for armcc compiler. How do I tell Eclipse that __int64 is a valid variable type so it does not underline the variables and mark the cpp file with a red cross?
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[16:34:48] <axelm7> I get "__int64 type could not be resolved". I would like to get rid of that error msg.
[16:35:02] <FauxFaux> #define it away!
[16:35:49] <axelm7> #ifndef __int64 #define __int64 long long ??
[16:36:14] <axelm7> shouldn' t be necessary if its a built in type
[16:36:18] <axelm7> *it's
[16:38:46] <axelm7> the #define solved it, thanks
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[16:48:11] <mihi> hi, I just noticed that TPTP is no longer available for Indigo (3.7)? Are there any recommendations which profiler to use with Eclipse instead?
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[16:55:20] <myusuf3> congrats on release guys!
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[16:58:38] <coachz> Is there a plugin for eclipse to let me collapse code at tab indent levels ?
[16:59:25] <coachz> code folding if you will
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[17:20:35] <Jo_R> Hi there
[17:21:22] <Jo_R> Short question: How can I disable the integrated webbrowser without using the configuration interface in eclipse itself?
[17:21:39] <Jo_R> e.g. which config file do I have to edit how
[17:21:55] <ron> at least the question was short.
[17:22:27] <Jo_R> ...
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[17:37:58] <nitind> Jo_R: I don't think you can.  Or should.  Why?
[17:41:19] <Jo_R> Because it crashes due to a bug in something in that web thing
[17:41:38] <Jo_R> And I found a way to disable it by editing a config before but I lost it
[17:42:05] <nitind> A bug in the preference page?
[17:43:24] <Jo_R> No, a bug in a shared library the browser uses
[17:44:01] <Jo_R> And it crashes when I open the preferences web browser tab
[17:44:13] <Jo_R> and sometimes when just running eclipse
[17:44:27] <Jo_R> and I need to disable the webbrowser to fix it
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[17:45:35] <Jo_R> I could install it in a vm, disable web and make a recursive diff of the config dir...
[17:45:52] <Jo_R> but that'd be some work since I'd have to get a new vm for it
[17:46:42] <adek> Hello, I installed Pulsar and now I can't install S40 SDK, because got error, cannot be installed in this environment because its filter is not applicable, where can I look for some details about this error?
[17:49:18] <Jo_R> Ok, I'll do that vm thingy.
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[17:49:27] <Jo_R> Hi adek, can't help you sorry
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[17:51:06] <rcjsuen> adek: What does the full error say?
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[17:52:46] <adek> Series_40_6th_Edition_SDK_v1_0_en.feature.group [1.0.0] cannot be installed in this environment because its filter is not applicable.
[17:53:02] <adek> same happens to S60
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[18:20:45] <janz> Hello.
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[18:23:19] <janz> Any new about the CodePro Profiler? Is it already available anywhere on http://www.eclipse.org/? http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2010/12/windowbuilder-becomes-new-open-source.html
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[18:30:36] <mihi> is there a way to silence "NLS Unused message" warnings in the workspace log (from a plugin I did not write), other than uninstalling the plugin that causes them? Or should I ask this in #eclipse-dev?
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[18:42:21] <rcjsuen> mihi: Don't think you can.
[18:43:39] <lemmy> Does Tycho support custom zip file names (e.g. include version number)?
[18:43:45] <mihi> rcjsuen: thanks, so I'll have to mentally ignore them :D
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[18:43:54] <rcjsuen> mihi: You should open a bug.
[18:44:53] <lemmy> mihi: silence it via an aspect that acts on a before pointcut :)
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[19:01:36] <michaely> Hello, I am working with equinox and Declarative Services. I am trying to get my service provider bundle to create a service object that is tailored specifically to the bundle that requires it via the bind method. For example getting a LogService that is is bound to the specific bundle by somehow passing the bundle context to the constructor of the log service when it is created. Does anyone know if this can be done and if so how?
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[19:32:03] <OldCode101> I updated to Indigo yesterday and now I am getting an Exception when I try to launch the marketplace
[19:32:31] <OldCode101> "Unexpected exception java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException"
[19:32:44] <OldCode101> not very specific
[19:33:11] <OldCode101> cannot install remote marketplace locaitons .:
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[19:34:00] <graingert> fresh install of Indingo can't install any plugins
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[19:34:08] <graingert> I get Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not be found. Software currently installed: Shared profile 1.0.0.1308118925849 (SharedProfile_epp.package.java 1.0.0.1308118925849) Missing requirement: Shared profile 1.0.0.1308118925849 (SharedProfile_epp.package.java 1.0.0.1308118925849) requires 'org.maven.ide.eclipse [1.0.0.20110607-2117]' but it could not be found
[19:34:16] <graingert> for each attempt to install
[19:34:40] <graingert> I can't even find "SharedProfile_epp.package.java" installed
[19:36:48] <graingert> ah trying this fix: http://eastmond.org/blog/?p=29#comments
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[19:44:41] <FauxFaux> Where are my 3.8 stream nightly builds?!
[19:45:22] <ron> they're dead.
[19:45:22] <FauxFaux> Or 4.2.
[19:49:23] <nitind> If you ask about a 3.6.3, so help me...
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[19:49:59] <ron> what about 3.6.4?
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[20:09:52] <ron> FauxFaux: Blasphemy!
[20:13:18] <graingert> cool that solved it
[20:13:21] <graingert> glad IRC could help
[20:13:22] <graingert> NOT
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[20:13:55] <graingert> aw crap no it didn't
[20:14:40] <abhatnag> graingert: hahaha...glad you insulted us now, aren't you?
[20:15:07] <graingert> abhatnag: well you lot still havn't been very helpfull
[20:15:13] * ron yawns
[20:15:33] <abhatnag> graingert: lol, well everyone's in and out, it's not like tech support. anyway, do you get any errors when you try to install plugins?
[20:15:43] <graingert> abhatnag: yep
[20:16:00] <abhatnag> graingert: what os are you on? are you installing plugins through the marketplace or the "Install New Software", or in another way?
[20:16:15] <graingert> abhatnag: Windows, Fresh Install, Marketplace
[20:16:41] <graingert> abhatnag: [18:33] <graingert> I get Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not be found. Software currently installed: Shared profile 1.0.0.1308118925849 (SharedProfile_epp.package.java 1.0.0.1308118925849) Missing requirement: Shared profile 1.0.0.1308118925849 (SharedProfile_epp.package.java 1.0.0.1308118925849) requires 'org.maven.ide.eclipse [1.0.0.20110607-2117]' but it could not be found
[20:16:50] <abhatnag> graingert: try "Install New Software"...and what's the error on marketplace? also is this indigo?
[20:16:50] <graingert> [18:33] <graingert> for each attempt to install [18:33] <graingert> I can't even find "SharedProfile_epp.package.java" installed [18:36] <graingert> ah trying this fix: http://eastmond.org/blog/?p=29#comments
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[20:17:07] <graingert> abhatnag: same with that, and yes Indigo
[20:17:10] <jackweb> Hello! How to set auto complementation only while clicking CTRL + SPACE?
[20:17:31] <nitind> jackweb: What does that mean?
[20:17:48] <graingert> abhatnag: I can install apps as admin
[20:18:21] <jackweb> defaultly, when I write 'getContentPane().' Eclipse automatically searchs methods of objects returned by getContentPane() [JFrame]
[20:18:35] <jackweb> I'd like to turn it off
[20:18:53] <jackweb> I'd like only to have enabled auto complementation while clicking CTRL + SPACE
[20:19:19] <abhatnag> graingert: try installing maven first through dropins
[20:19:35] <nitind> jackweb: Chec the Content Assist preference page for Java.
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[20:21:46] <jackweb> I wanted to apply it in Eclipse
[20:21:51] <jackweb> not in my editor
[20:22:21] <nitind> jackweb: What does *that* mean?
[20:22:23] <graingert> abhatnag: what's a dropin, and what's maven?
[20:24:44] <graingert> abhatnag: ?
[20:24:54] <graingert> maven seems to be some build thing
[20:25:08] <graingert> and I have done fine without it in eclipse Helios
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[20:26:20] <abhatnag> graingert: yup..there are changes in eclipse indigo's plugin install mechanism. try this for the plugins you want: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-equinox-p2/#N1007A
[20:27:07] <graingert> abhatnag: why is this needed for a clean install of eclipse?
[20:27:55] <abhatnag> graingert: you're potentially facing a bug...it's worth trying imo
[20:28:11] <graingert> abhatnag: why was this not found before?
[20:30:50] <graingert> abhatnag: okay maven installed
[20:32:36] <graingert> nope same bug
[20:32:54] <xmux> Do any eclipsesource people hang out here?  I would like to try Yoxos but a) on Fedora 15 it just crashes immediately b) there is no obvious place to report bugs
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[20:38:57] <abhatnag> graingert: I don't know the solution to your problem then...you might want to file a bug here: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/
[20:39:03] <graingert> abhatnag: rage
[20:39:18] <graingert> ah well
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[20:48:19] <jackweb> nitind: thanks, I found
[20:48:22] <jackweb> :)
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[21:08:32] <nbf> in e4 has the PresentationTabFolder setup changed?
[21:09:07] <nbf> I mean "the big lie" where the content widget and various other widgets are proxied
[21:11:23] <rcjsuen> nbf: yes
[21:12:15] <nbf> okay cool
[21:12:44] <nbf> in my SWT implementation, I've implemented compositing, so I can alternatively render a wiget to an offscreen surface and then blit it with effects, like what compiz does on desktop linux
[21:13:01] <nbf> but the big lie breaks that
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[21:20:55] <saml> hey,  I did  F3  a few times, how can I jump to previous location?
[21:21:12] <saml> do i need to manually set bookmark?
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[21:22:13] <milleja46> Hi i was wondering if someone could help me with installing pydev into eclipse? i ran into a few issues when installing it... http://pastebin.com/c2R0Z91i
[21:23:17] <saml> alt+left arrow
[21:23:33] <milleja46> ^it gave that error when i started to install it....
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[21:23:49] <abhatnag> milleja46: what os are you on?
[21:23:55] <milleja46> abhatnag: windows
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[21:24:37] <abhatnag> milleja46: xp?
[21:24:41] <milleja46> (windows 7 in particular)
[21:24:59] * milleja46 stopped using xp when that laptop broke :P
[21:25:09] <kberg> Is there a document somewhere that clearly lays out the currently preferred way to deal with preferences? Or even something that tells the difference between IPreferencesService and IEclipsePreferences?
[21:25:38] <nbf> hmm, I've see the error with ShareProfile_eep.package.java more than a few times now
[21:25:40] <kberg> My core issue is that suddenly I'm finding some code where I'm setting a preference but it isn't being flushed, and suddenly I'm finding myself calling flush()
[21:25:44] <nbf> not personally but just other people
[21:26:02] <nbf> are you using indigo and did you upgrade from helios or do a fresh install?
[21:27:40] <milleja46> nbf: if you're talking to me, a fresh install(though i've used eclipse before :P)
[21:28:13] <milleja46> (and i've just set the system path so it would recognize it and actually work)
[21:28:35] <nbf> must be some kind of indigo bug
[21:29:06] <abhatnag> milleja46: yeah I've seen that bug earlier today as well. could you file it?
[21:29:22] <milleja46> abhatnag: sure, just need to know where it's supposed to be filed :P
[21:29:23] <nitind> abhatnag: If you care about a bug being fixed, always file it yourself.
[21:30:04] <abhatnag> milleja46: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/. thnx
[21:30:21] <abhatnag> nitind: true, but in this case milleja46 has more info to file than me...
[21:30:22] <milleja46> gotta admit, i liked eclipse the last time i used it, i just didn't understand it could do python or anything else :P
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[21:33:28] <milleja46> nbf: which part of the bug system would i file it under? i know it's probably eclipse it self...but it needs to go under pydev wherever that's listed i think....
[21:33:32] <nbf> eclipse is a swiss army knife
[21:34:00] <nbf> milleja46: I think this is a bug in the way the eclipse distribution itself is configured
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[21:34:24] <nbf> the other people I've seen with issues were trying to upgrade a fresh install and it was breaking on the JDT update
[21:34:37] <nbf> with the same exact error message you posted, except JDT instead of PyDev
[21:34:58] <milleja46> so under the plug-in dev tools?
[21:35:42] * milleja46 just hopes when he gets pydev working maybe he can do some pyqt stuff :P
[21:37:05] <milleja46> nbf: so would the plug-in dev tools be the right place?
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[21:37:23] <graingert> milleja46: I got that bug too
[21:37:43] <milleja46> graingert: did you report it already?
[21:37:45] <graingert> abhatnag: looks like more people have the problem
[21:37:52] <graingert> milleja46: no, too lazy
[21:38:07] <abhatnag> graingert: yup...seems serious enough
[21:38:22] <milleja46> ugh...i'm just gonna report it under plug-in dev tools and if it's not right it can be moved
[21:38:27] <graingert> milleja46: going back to vi
[21:38:46] <milleja46> graingert: vi?
[21:39:00] <graingert> http://marketplace1.eclipse.org/content/error/report/69115
[21:39:13] <graingert> milleja46 abhatnag ^
[21:39:27] <milleja46> so it is reported...
[21:39:41] <graingert> it's in the wrong place though
[21:39:54] <graingert> milleja46: have you tried running as admin
[21:39:55] <milleja46> wait no, that's subclipse not pydev
[21:40:06] <graingert> milleja46: try installing any other package
[21:40:11] <graingert> milleja46: they all do it
[21:40:41] <milleja46> hmm, very strange
[21:40:43] <abhatnag> graingert:  did you try installing m2eclipse?
[21:40:51] <abhatnag> graingert: milleja46: http://m2eclipse.sonatype.org/installing-m2eclipse.html
[21:40:54] <graingert> abhatnag: I installed that
[21:41:00] <graingert> abhatnag: why is that needed?
[21:41:06] <abhatnag> graingert: did it install clean?
[21:41:25] <graingert> abhatnag: if I ran as admin
[21:41:32] <graingert> abhatnag: it was the correct version etc
[21:41:42] <abhatnag> graingert: and still same error eh
[21:41:43] <graingert> abhatnag: but when running as normal user stuff still fails
[21:41:55] <graingert> if I run as admin I can install stuff
[21:41:58] <graingert> if not, no
[21:42:03] <graingert> is that the same for you milleja46 ?
[21:42:26] <milleja46> graingert: haven't tried running as admin i thought it would by default...
[21:43:15] <milleja46> never was much of a troubleshooter though :P
[21:43:52] <milleja46> hmm
[21:44:07] * milleja46 goes to run eclipse as admin and see what happens
[21:45:18] <milleja46> ok i've got to ask...why isn't eclipse a installer? it would make it so much easier to find it....
[21:45:44] <nitind> I'm not sure how to parse that.
[21:47:14] <nitind> milleja46: You mean http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_Installer but already set up for Indigo?
[21:47:28] <milleja46> nitind: yea
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[21:50:42] <milleja46> huh odd it seems to work only in admin mode
[21:51:15] <milleja46> pydev is installing :D
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[21:53:46] <milleja46> wow, after i tell it to restart now, it stops working and crashes on the reload
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[22:03:37] <marw> my pydev/eclipse freezes in using autocomplete. any advice other than disabling the feature?
[22:03:56] * ron recalls such an issue.
[22:03:58] <FauxFaux> jstack -> pastebin.
[22:05:57] <nbf> lol
[22:06:09] <nbf> sorry wrong window
[22:06:30] <ron> lol
[22:06:34] <ron> that's funny
[22:06:35] <milleja46> hmm, i wonder if it's possible to open a existing project in eclipse using the pydev stuff...
[22:06:47] <marw> milleja46: it is
[22:06:54] <marw> just select custom path
[22:08:24] <milleja46> marw: yea but how would you get it to notice it as a project?
[22:09:10] <marw> milleja46: it will create all the stuff needed with the code it finds in the path
[22:11:59] <milleja46> heh, heh, forgot to specify the interpeter in prefs XD
[22:13:37] <milleja46> now to wait on that -_-
[22:15:28] * ron yawns
[22:15:47] <milleja46> marw: so in the pydev project creation tell it not to use the default and explore to where the files actually are?
[22:16:19] <marw> milleja46: yes, just select the top folder
[22:16:35] <milleja46> marw: thanks ;)
[22:16:46] <marw> np
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[22:17:24] <milleja46> oy messed it up was supposed to select the branch folder i needed XD
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[22:19:34] <marw> milleja46: just delete the files/folder pydev created and start over
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[22:26:10] * milleja46 thinks he finally has it working :P
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[23:01:17] <nubnub> i've downloaded indigo onto my macbookpro and it has created a directory called eclipse2. i have helios in the eclipse directory and i just want to update helios to eclipse. not sure how to do that...
[23:01:35] <nubnub> update helios to indigo i mean
[23:02:15] <nubnub> do i just take everything in eclipse2 and copy it over to the eclipse directory?
[23:02:17] <ron> ~faq
[23:02:17] <Arbalest> Please see the FAQs http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Category:FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/The_Official_Eclipse_FAQs
[23:02:25] <ron> read that.
[23:02:40] <nubnub> ron: which one, there are 3
[23:03:01] <ron> the one that holds the answer.
[23:03:02] <nitind> Actually, read http://lenettoyeur-on-eclipse.blogspot.com/2011/06/from-helios-to-indigo-is-easy.html
[23:06:30] * milleja46 goes to learn more pyqt
[23:06:59] <graingert> milleja46: you fixed that bug yet?
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[23:07:25] <milleja46> graingert: you have to run as admin to install a plugin for some odd reason
[23:07:38] <graingert> milleja46: that's an odd bug
[23:07:43] <graingert> milleja46: why did they do that?
[23:08:43] <milleja46> graingert: nope, maybe to make a computer safe so only a admin would install it...thus someone being a admin would make sure it's self
[23:08:54] <milleja46> graingert: though that's just a theory
[23:09:34] <nubnub> nitind: thank you, i'm trying that and i'm getting the following error message "Cannot complete the install because of a conflicting dependency."
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[23:11:11] <milleja46> nubnub: are you trying to install a plugin for eclipse?
[23:11:38] <nubnub> milleja46: no, just trying to upgrade from helios to indigo
[23:11:44] <milleja46> nubnub: ahh
[23:12:18] <nubnub> ron: i've been using eclipse 5 or 6 years now and i always DREAD having to update it. here i've been reading faqs, stack overflow and google for 30-40 minutes and still have not successfully updated...
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[23:14:04] <nitind> nubnub: That's the entire message?
[23:14:22] <nubnub> nitind: yes, it is
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[23:15:05] <nubnub> no indication of what conflicting dependency.
[23:15:11] <ron> nubnub:  can understand your feeling, sorry :-/
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[23:15:41] <ron> try looking at the ~logs for additional information.
[23:15:42] <Arbalest> Looking for your Eclipse logs? The workspace log should be located at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. In Eclipse, try Help > About > Installation Details > Configuration and then choose "View Error Log". If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
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[23:16:42] <nubnub> somewhere in the world there is a software developer who worked on the error message and he/she asked himself "should i be helpful to the developer and tell them what the conflict is or should i just be lazy and give them some generic error message that will not help them at all"
[23:18:00] <ron> consider it a game ;)
[23:18:34] <nubnub> i have work to do.
[23:19:04] <ron> work is for the weak.
[23:19:08] <ron> real men play games.
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[23:20:27] <ron> do you see anything in the logs?
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[23:27:06] <graingert> nubnub: yep everyone is getting that
[23:27:36] <graingert> nubnub: it's a bug in indigo http://marketplace1.eclipse.org/content/error/report/69115
[23:28:39] <nubnub> ahh
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