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[00:00:46] <dwarder> rcjsuen: i see, thanks
[00:01:56] <jebblue> Seta00 huh?
[00:02:21] <Seta00> <jebblue> Seta00 let everyone have their own copy of the entire repo and that is better for configuration management? no thanks
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[00:03:34] <jebblue> Seta00 ah ok I think it was decided that even with git there is a central repo - I still need to look into it
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[00:03:54] <Seta00> jebblue, :)
[00:03:59] <sproaty> Hi, when I have the auto-complete popup open, can I make it that it will accept the current 'selection' when I type any key, instead of having to hit enter?
[00:04:04] <Seta00> not necessarily, that's just a convention
[00:05:04] <sproaty> e.g. type "this.something.do[auto complete pops up] - suggests "doSomething(blah)", I carry on typing and it inserts my cursor into the first parameter of the method
[00:07:53] <jebblue> Seta00 Linux designed git and I'm reading that kernel builds use a "central" concept so if they do it and git was designed for Linux as well as general dev then I am hard pressed to see any advantage at all in not using a central repo and this site explains why: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/460502/is-using-a-central-repository-going-against-gits-purpose
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[00:08:15] <research4oscar> afternoon.
[00:08:29] <research4oscar> good afternoon everyone.
[00:09:17] <research4oscar> anyone in here using BIRT
[00:09:42] <Seta00> jebblue, I didn't say it was bad, I just said you don't NEED to have one
[00:09:50] <Seta00> it's not a requirement
[00:09:58] <Seta00> but for a lot of reasons a centralized repository is nice
[00:10:32] <Seta00> anyway, I'm leaving, good night! :)
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[00:18:16] <jebblue> Seta00 hope you see this when you get up ... thanks for the discussion - I'm more excited to learn more about git now after today's discussions
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[00:36:04] <cmarinor> buenas noches
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[01:04:10] <cmarinor> buenas noches
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[01:14:13] <nbf> why is Display in the widgets package?
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[02:02:32] <paulweb515_> nbf: I think almost everything that's based on native APIs is in there
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[02:05:17] <rcjsuen> I think it's probably because it has a representation at the UI library level
[02:05:51] <rcjsuen> that probably didn't really convey what i wanted to say :o
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[05:09:20] <fedlerner> Hi guys.. I'm having a problem with a .jar.. Let's see if someone can help me.
[05:09:53] <fedlerner> I generated a .jar, and it works fine when I run it from cmd using: java -jar KNNGen.jar
[05:10:18] <fedlerner> But if I run it with double click, it will show me ..
[05:10:21] <fedlerner> Could not find the main class: C:\Users\Ceci\Desktop\KNNGen.jar.  Program will exit.
[05:10:42] <fedlerner> Can someone help me with this ? I want to be able to execute it by just doing double click over the .jar
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[06:11:09] <beFra> hello
[06:11:34] <beFra> I have a problem with Helios - Xdebug and path
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[06:12:16] <beFra> The issue is that breakpoint path is not linked to project path but to sistem path ... so i got error on setting breakpoints
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[06:12:40] <beFra> any idea on this ? is it a but or a missconfiguration ?
[06:13:03] <beFra> On netbeans I have all this work ... so i think php.ini is setted ok
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[09:21:49] <karega> hey
[09:22:43] <karega> I'm trying to debug some code and when I attempt to watch a variable I get binding == null for variableName
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[09:26:11] <karega> helllo
[09:26:45] <karega> For some reason a project I checked out doesn't have the option to add a build path in the project settings
[09:26:56] <FauxFaux> karega: Probably a bug.  ~info but nobody will be able to help because it's a hard bug.  I assume you've searched the bug tracker, I'm too lazy to do it for you.
[09:26:56] <Arbalest> Please state a) your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), b) operating system (Windows, Linux, OSX, etc.), c) your Java runtime environment (please verify by checking your ~logs or in the about dialog's ~jre section. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), d) your Eclipse version, and e) where did you get Eclipse from (eclipse.org, distro repository, etc.).
[09:27:48] <karega> FauxFaux, I don't neccessarily think it is a bug
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[09:28:22] <FauxFaux> Your information withholding is making me incredibly annoyed; not playing anymore.
[09:28:24] <karega> I loaded multiple projects into one project and there doesn't seem to be the option to add a build path to the projects
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[09:30:23] <spliffi83> hi guys, I get a "make: *** multiple target patterns" error in Eclipse CDT after Iam importing some external zlib headers/sources... Google doesn't spit anything out which helps...Some experience with that one?
[09:34:50] <karega> a) x86 64bit b) Windows XP c) 1.6_23 d) galileo e) eclipse.org
[09:42:02] <karega> FauxFaux, my project properties don't have a build path option
[09:46:25] <FauxFaux> Is it a resources project as apposed to a Java project?
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[09:49:35] <karega> it is a java project
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[09:49:42] <karega> but I checked it out from an SVN
[09:49:42] <lisak> what do I need to install into java dev edition
[09:49:52] <lisak> to be able to import a war as project ?
[09:50:18] <lisak> I just installed WDT and I still can't do that
[09:55:31] <lisak> hm, java EE tols
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[10:53:41] <Timon> How Can I  with click F2 functional key in Jcombobox appere a frame?????
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[11:09:33] <sourava> HI all, I use Eclipse on Kubuntu! I have Eclipse. I am trying to install the ADT but it's taking a lot of time, like hours...
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[11:23:03] <k0nichiwa> eclipse somttimes starts using 100 percent of the cpu on OS X , version 3.6.2
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[11:23:24] <k0nichiwa> it seems to run OK for a while, then this prbolem appears
[11:23:31] <FauxFaux> ~deadlock
[11:23:31] <Arbalest> In a deadlock? http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/How_to_report_a_deadlock
[11:26:12] <cvanes> for an update site with a single feature, does the feature version number need to be incremented when the version is incremented in one of its plugins?
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[11:54:28] <ualtin> Anoyne an idea how to measure Memory usage in an Java applicateion (I know this has nothing to do with Eclipse) but I wanted to giv it a shot
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[11:55:14] <ronr__> http://www.eclipse.org/mat/
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[11:56:01] <ualtin> ronr_, is that a plugin for eclipse?
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[11:57:14] <ronr__> Yes.
[11:57:22] <ronr__> not sure it's what you look for though.
[11:57:27] <ronr__> you may want to look at some profilers.
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[11:58:09] <ualtin> Oh I google that than first
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[12:06:24] <cvanes> ualtin: yourkit is pretty good, need to pay for it though
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[12:11:22] <ualtin> cvanes, i found jprofiler... that is quite expensive too
[12:11:38] <ronr_> yeah, but you can use a free trial of it.
[12:11:52] <ronr_> you can also use visualvm for basic profiling.
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[12:13:26] <ualtin> ronr_, I think I try my luck with the visual vm first... My Idea was to let the application run and simultanuasly run a thread which gets the used memory and writes it in intervals into a file
[12:14:02] <ronr_> question is why
[12:14:43] <ualtin> ronr_, because I have an application which takes quite time and clones a lot. so I wanted to monitor the usage and dump it into a file
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[12:15:03] <ronr_> you fear a memory leak?
[12:16:42] <ualtin> Yes, and I want to monitor it now.. because the appliation will get bigger
[12:17:03] <ronr_> ok
[12:17:09] <ualtin> later on so I was interested in the memory usage right now and see if i need to adopt something
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[12:17:50] <ualtin> Runtime().getRuntime().freeMemory() is not the right thing, because the JVM allocates new Memory over time if needed
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[12:19:40] <ronr_> right, though as a best practice, you should set -Xmx -Xms to the same value.
[12:20:22] <ualtin> ronr_, I do not understand that ?! You mean on execution I should set those arguments?
[12:20:33] <ronr_> normally, yeah.
[12:21:56] <ualtin> like java -jar -Xmx -Xms test.jar
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[12:27:06] <ronr_> http://blogs.oracle.com/watt/resource/jvm-options-list.html
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[13:27:55] <sr__> I am trying to have a configurable way of building composite UIs using SWT/EclipseRCP, where I declare the layout/nested-layouts on one side, and the composite creation on the other
[13:28:42] <sr__> I am thinking about using some dependency injection to "build" the composite at run time so that each composite gets what he needs
[13:28:56] <sr__> is that something that other people do?
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[13:40:10] <paulweb515> sr__: I don't understand "on one side and the other"
[13:40:43] <sr__> well the idea is to decouple
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[13:40:55] <paulweb515> sr__: I've seen code create "sections", which each section fills in and lays out a composite.  then the Class that composes the Sections has to lay them out reasonably
[13:40:56] <sr__> the layout and nesting of the composites
[13:41:30] <sr__> the layout and nesting of the composites is decoupled from the actual composite rendering logic
[13:41:53] <sr__> I mean REALLY decoupled like declared in very different places in my app
[13:43:37] <sr__> yes sections you have seen sounds familiar with what i am trying to do
[13:45:04] <sr__> I used to do a lot of .net and they have Prism and CAB (composite application block) which is kind of a model to build composite UIs
[13:45:18] <sr__> it relies quite a bit on dependency injection
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[14:36:33] <lemmy> How do I defer subsequent handlers if I intent do asynchronously delete a workspace resource from another handler? Subsequent handlers fail because the resource gets deleted asynchronously right now.
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[14:42:03] <rcjsuen_> lemmy: Can you rephrase your question?
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[14:45:06] <lemmy> rcjsuen: Handler A schedules a job to delete IResources triggered by the user clicking on delete for the current selection. Subsequently the property tester for handler B gets called by the HandlerService which tries to test smth. on the IResources which obviously fails.
[14:45:36] <lemmy> since the IResource has already been deleted.
[14:47:37] <rcjsuen> I'm not sure you can dictate this sequence. I suppose the simplest workaround is to just have your property tester check for resource existence. paulweb515?
[14:47:55] <lemmy> rcjsuen: sounds dirty
[14:50:13] <lemmy> Especially since the resource gets removed asynchronously. I'd not really know where to check for existence.
[14:51:07] <rcjsuen> oh i guess you mean anywhere in the property tester code
[14:51:13] <rcjsuen> the resource could theoretically go from true -> false
[14:51:21] <rcjsuen> due to the multi-threaded nature
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[14:53:01] <lemmy> exactly
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[15:10:11] <lemmy> funny, the control flow is basically like this: 1. Handler A gets executed 2. Handler A opens a dialog causing a selection change event for the IResource 3. A removes the IResource 4. The selection change event gets processed which eventually runs into a NPE.
[15:11:02] <lemmy> Not showing the dialog prevents the NPE.
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[15:14:05] <rcjsuen> npe
[15:14:08] <rcjsuen> in like tree viewer code?
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[15:18:15] <lemmy> This exception happens inside the property tester. Not in the tree viewer.
[15:18:39] <lemmy> bbl, gonna head home.
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[15:35:06] <spetrea> in Package Explorer under Eclipse(on Ubuntu) what shortcut key can I use to go to the parent of some file/folder ?
[15:35:40] <ronr_> define 'parent'
[15:36:00] <spetrea> ronr_: parent folder, parent package
[15:36:08] <spetrea> ronr_: parent of whatever a tree hierarchy has
[15:36:25] <ronr_> press up?
[15:37:12] <paulweb515> spetrea: there's no way to jump up, AFAIK
[15:37:44] <FauxFaux> Left arrow.
[15:39:27] <paulweb515> that doesn't work on linux, maybe on windows?
[15:39:58] <ronr_> yup
[15:40:59] <FauxFaux> Ew.
[15:40:59] <ronr_> this plugin takes hours to install. I'm developing homicidal tendencies towards eclipse.
[15:41:18] <FauxFaux> s/eclipse/plugins/
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[15:42:12] <ronr_> it's stuck on fetching org.eclipse.persistence.core.blah.blah.blah for 20 minutes. so fine, plugins.
[15:42:17] * ronr_ glares at FauxFaux
[15:43:21] <ronr_> and obviously, the mirror it chose is some university in taiwan.
[15:44:12] <ronr_> oh goodie. it's stuck on 0B/s. I could cancel it and restart the installation. I wonder if it will start downloading everything. egain.
[15:44:15] <ronr_> again, even.
[15:44:33] <FauxFaux> Dropins.
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[15:45:13] <ronr_> I'm sorry, I don't talk about what I do in the bathroom in public.
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[15:47:33] <helindbe> how can I set the system PATH used when performing Runtime.exec ?
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[15:49:11] <ronr_> that sounds like a ##java question.
[15:49:50] <helindbe> well, this is from inside Eclipse
[15:50:20] <helindbe> rephrased, how do I set the PATH for Eclipse
[15:50:22] <rcjsuen> helindbe: Either define your PATH globally or define it in your launch config
[15:51:16] <helindbe> so where does eclipse pick up the path from when launched?
[15:51:28] <helindbe> (I am on OSx)
[15:51:36] <ronr_> oi.
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[16:01:02] <paulweb515> helindbe: by default it must take the OSX standard PATH (just like double-clicking on something in OSX) ... no?
[16:02:26] <rcjsuen> well, that depends on your Runtime.exec :)
[16:02:43] <rcjsuen> http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/Runtime.html#exec%28java.lang.String[],%20java.lang.String[]%29
[16:02:48] <rcjsuen> you could define inheritance or not
[16:11:49] <nbf> if I wanted to create a cross platform eclipse package, that includes binaries for every platform, would that be feasible?
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[16:12:04] <nbf> I'm using a custom SWT impl that is cross platform
[16:12:19] <nbf> I'm just curious what roadblocks I'd hit
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[16:17:54] <ronr_> hmpf. it seems to always get stuck on the same file.
[16:19:51] <paulweb515> nbf: depends on what you're trying to do? The SWT custom packages aren't per-platform, and Eclipse nebula has all sorts of custom widgets that have been contributed
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[16:20:29] <paulweb515> nbf: you can't create one uber-swt.jar though.  things like the Display class are different on different platforms
[16:20:54] <nbf> right, hence: < nbf> I'm using a custom SWT impl that is cross platform
[16:21:24] <nbf> but other than the SWT parts, do other parts of eclipse depend on any platform specific functionality
[16:21:37] <nbf> I'd expect they wouldn't but that's why I'm asking if that assumption is wrong ;)
[16:22:08] <nbf> I'm thinking it could even boil down to things like platform string checks in the binaries
[16:22:29] <nbf> like if I use the eclipse exe launcher for windows, will it see my custom SWT impl and fail because it's the wrong "platform"
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[16:22:40] <paulweb515> nbf: the launcher and SWT are platform bits that have native fragments
[16:23:01] <paulweb515> nbf: o.e.core.filesystem does as well, but it has a default implementation of those fragments are missing
[16:23:15] <paulweb515> nbf: same with o.e.core.resources, it has a fragment for win32 that can help it on that platform
[16:23:49] <nbf> ok so I'm going to need to create my own platform launchers then?
[16:23:57] <helindbe> regarding path when launching - seems that it should be set in the launchd using either launchctl or launchd.conf
[16:24:08] <lemmy> paulweb515: Is it possible to deactivate selection changes inside a handler's execute method? Basically I must not trigger a selection change event when I open a modal dialog.
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[16:27:31] <paulweb515> nbf: SWT works in eclipse or RCP by providing a plugin with almost nothing in it, org.eclipse.swt, and then a fragment with both the binaries *and* the matching platform source.org.eclipse.swt.gtk.linux.x86_64
[16:27:53] <paulweb515> nbf: are you saying you want to simply provide your own cross platform SWT implementation?
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[16:28:38] <nbf> yep but I want to package it with an RCP app and include launches for ubuntu/mac/windows in the same release
[16:28:52] <nbf> the SWT impl is entirely done with opengl, so it isn't platform specific at all
[16:29:11] <nbf> *launchers
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[16:29:42] <nbf> I expect I can just do away with the fragment system, since I do need it
[16:30:00] <nbf> and provide an org.eclipse.swt bundle that includes the full implementation
[16:30:07] <nbf> that's how it's developed now at least ;)
[16:30:34] <nbf> I could refactor it into a fragment but I don't think that will get me anything, unless there are other gotchas
[16:30:59] <nbf> *since I don't need it
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[16:32:28] <paulweb515> nbf: you could simply provide your SWT implementation in a fragment, so ship the normal org.eclipse.swt and then your fragment.  Your fragment would not be platform specific, and don't include any of the other fragments and you're gold
[16:32:35] <paulweb515> nbf: the launchers will work fine
[16:33:05] <paulweb515> nbf: you're saying you'd like one zip so it runs on all platforms?
[16:33:17] <paulweb515> nbf: that's do-able, but not the way you might think
[16:34:31] <nbf> yeah I want a universal eclipse app zip file that someone could unzip on any platform and run it
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[16:40:15] <lemmy> nbf: Just include all platform specific fragments in your zipfile and your are fine.
[16:40:26] <lemmy> OSGi will load the right one.
[16:41:13] <paulweb515> lemmy: yeah, but p2 and the simpleconfigurator is not so forgiving
[16:41:41] <paulweb515> nbf: see https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=342156 and the comments on http://alblue.bandlem.com/2011/04/multiple-architecture-single-build.html
[16:41:57] <lemmy> I'd assume it's easier to work around the build issue than to create a new fragment.
[16:42:20] <nbf> awesome thank you
[16:42:23] <paulweb515> nbf: you can create one bundle pool, and as long as there's separate config areas and launcher areas, it actually works
[16:42:50] <nbf> oh alex b
[16:43:04] <nbf> that guy is a prolific eclipse article writer ;)
[16:43:42] <paulweb515> nbf: yes :-)  I like him, though
[16:44:05] <nbf> agreed
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[16:44:19] <winegoddess> good morning
[16:44:35] <winegoddess> does anyone have experience with glassfish running in eclipse?
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[16:53:13] <ronr_> eclipse.org is going to die on the 22nd, eh?
[16:53:48] <lemmy> ronr_: due to the sim. release you mean?
[16:54:05] <ronr_> sim. release?
[16:54:20] <nbf> you'll be fine as long as you're a friend of eclipse ;)
[16:54:27] <lemmy> Indigo
[16:54:37] <ronr_> I'm not a friend of eclipse. I'm too cheap.
[16:54:56] <lemmy> ronr_: The webmasters know what's coming at them. They will be prepared.
[16:55:09] <ronr_> lemmy: you're new, eh? :)
[16:55:41] <ronr_> I thought of becoming a friend, until I realized I need to bribe eclipse on a yearly basis to stay a friend :)
[16:55:45] <abhishek_> hey, real friends don't ask money for your friendship
[16:55:53] <ronr_> true dat
[16:55:56] <abhishek_> ronr_: haha exactly
[16:56:41] <ronr_> anyways, time for shower.
[16:58:10] <paulweb515> ronr_: ...no, lemmy is not new :-)
[16:58:25] <paulweb515> they get extra bandwith for the release ... but you can still run into mirror problems
[16:59:35] <ronr_> it's no big deal really. not sure I'd want to update immediately. afraid of too many broken plugins.
[16:59:42] <lemmy> paulweb515: or bugs in download.php
[17:03:29] <nitind> abhishek_: Sure they do.  Birthday gifts.  Christmas gifts.
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[17:07:07] <adorablepuppy> I just downloaded Helios and installed ADT, then I copied an old project I had from galileo, then Refactor -> Renamed some packages and Cleaned it. Project folder shows an error icon, but none of the project files have errors.
[17:07:26] <abhishek_> nitind: haha very true. reminds of this old anthropology book, the gift, which is all about human relations and the gifts of trust they REQUIRE
[17:07:33] <adorablepuppy> How can I see what is stopping my build?
[17:07:49] <nitind> adorablepuppy: Problems View (or Markers View)
[17:07:54] <lemmy> adorablepuppy: Problems view?
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[17:08:19] <abhishek_> adorablepuppy: just try a project clean. Project > Clean. sometimes that helps in such cases
[17:08:47] <adorablepuppy> abhishek_: I did clean the project. I will try the Problem view.
[17:09:35] <adorablepuppy> Thanks. That's got it. It's a certificate error.
[17:12:32] <adorablepuppy> Forgive me. :) It's been quite some time since I've done work inside Eclipse, so I forgot my way around. heh
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[17:19:43] <nbf> whats up with Font(Device, FontData[])
[17:20:00] <nbf> I've implemented Font's string and single FontData variant
[17:20:09] <nbf> but I'm not sure what the array of FontData means
[17:20:43] <rcjsuen> well
[17:20:46] <rcjsuen> the [] is rare
[17:21:08] <rcjsuen> by rare i mean usually you just take the first one
[17:21:20] <nbf> yeah that's what I've been doing
[17:21:26] <rcjsuen> either gtk+ and/or motif takes multiple
[17:21:30] <rcjsuen> i think it's an X thing
[17:21:33] <nbf> getFontData just returns an array with one element
[17:21:59] <nbf> oh ok, so I'll just implement accepting the first element until I hit some kind of bug ;)
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[17:27:57] <rcjsuen> Yeah only Motif cares about the entire array
[17:28:00] <rcjsuen> and Motif is dead
[17:28:01] <rcjsuen> so...
[17:28:26] <nbf> Motif is gonna make a comeback!
[17:28:32] <nbf> like rocky!
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[18:25:28] <adac> hi guys.Is it possible to install swt via "install new software"?
[18:26:40] <paulweb515> adac: it's already installed in your platform
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[18:28:09] <adac> paulweb515, hmm its says: "the import org.eclipse cannot be resolved"
[18:29:51] <paulweb515> adac: you need to have it on your classpath somehow
[18:30:03] <paulweb515> adac: is it that you're trying to write an SWT app (not eclipse plugin)?
[18:30:40] <adac> paulweb515, actually i importet a project, which does use swt
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[18:31:30] <paulweb515> adac: what does it say on its Build Path properties?
[18:31:38] <paulweb515> i.e. where does it expect to find SWT
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[18:34:09] <adac> paulweb515, hmm where can i look this up?
[18:34:40] <adac> Projject -> properties
[18:34:57] <paulweb515> Build Path
[18:40:40] <adac> paulweb515, http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/bildschirmfoto1zm.png/
[18:41:54] <adac> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Composite
[18:42:02] <paulweb515> adac: and the nice message at the top says "Seven build path entries are missing"
[18:42:29] <paulweb515> adac: as an added bonus, I don't see SWT listed there at all
[18:43:36] <adac> paulweb515> adac: it's already installed in your platform
[18:43:44] <paulweb515> adac: eclipse isn't magic ... The project has to be a java project and the Libraries tab has to list all jars necessary to build/run it ... although they can be listed in the Build Path>Projects tab if it was in the workspace (which SWT isn't)
[18:44:00] <paulweb515> adac: yes, SWT is ... but your project doesn't reference it ... why not
[18:44:23] <adac> paulweb515, how can i reference it...where is it located?
[18:44:38] <paulweb515> adac: the proper instructions are at http://www.eclipse.org/swt/eclipse.php
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[18:45:11] <paulweb515> adac: but if you're not particular, you can add a variable, use and extend ECLIPSE_HOME, and use the org.eclipse.swt.<fragment>.jar
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[18:45:41] <nbf> one funny and related thing
[18:45:48] <adac> paulweb515, ok i see
[18:45:59] <nbf> I have a bunch of test classes for my swt implementation, that just run various widgets and different states
[18:46:02] <nbf> and they magically just work
[18:46:19] <nbf> I never setup java.library.path or anything
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[18:46:27] <nbf> and they're not an eclipse app
[18:46:32] <adac> nbf, hmm
[18:46:38] <nbf> just a main method and Display loop
[18:46:43] <adac> I'm confused (:
[18:46:43] <nbf> adac: this isn't directly related to you
[18:46:45] <paulweb515> nbf: SWT included code in its jar to find/load the native libs itself if no one helps out
[18:46:49] <nbf> ah
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[18:47:40] <adac> paulweb515, ok i will do the steps here: http://www.eclipse.org/swt/eclipse.php but I still don't get it why i have to do them if swt is alreaday shipped with eclipse.
[18:48:19] <paulweb515> adac: you don't have to ... you can just pick the fragment, which has everything in it already for your platform
[18:48:42] <paulweb515> adac: the reason they provide different instructions there is eclipse ships with OSGi bundles, and in theory an SWT java app doesn't want that
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[18:49:02] <adac> paulweb515, how to pick that fragement?
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[18:50:00] <adac> paulweb515, ah you already explained sorry
[18:50:20] <paulweb515> adac: yes, add a variable, and extend ECLIPSE_HOME it should be in plugins somewhere
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[18:56:15] 
[18:56:26] 
[18:56:28] <safzouf> en FTP
[18:57:23] <safzouf> peut on uploader un fichier ouvert directement dans le repository distant  (ftp)
[18:57:34] 
[18:57:48] <safzouf> on a une copie lcoale du projet,
[18:57:56] <cgb> just out of curiosity, does anyone know how eclipse is built internally? Does eclipse use the PDE build scripts?
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[18:58:37] <safzouf> I'll reask in english sorry :p
[18:58:55] <safzouf> There is sth missing in eclipse ftp
[18:59:25] <safzouf> are we able to upload directly an opeend file, or from the fiel brower to a remote ftp repository
[18:59:43] <safzouf> same as Dreamwaver, that create a local copy of the project
[19:00:00] <safzouf> and we can easily upload/download an opened file
[19:00:17] <safzouf> is that possible in eclipse, with some plugins.. ?
[19:00:31] <adac> paulweb515, I did the extend: ECLIPSE_HOME/plugins/org.eclipse.swt_3.6.2.v3659c.jar but still "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Composite"
[19:00:51] <safzouf> caue all ftp plugins, used "export", wich is not easily to use, must find the file to upload/download... :(
[19:01:08] <safzouf> is there a way to export just the opened file?!
[19:01:18] <adac> paulweb515, 7 build path entries are missing.
[19:01:20] <paulweb515> adac: you need the fragment ... org.eclipse.swt_3.6.2*.jar is empty
[19:01:27] <paulweb515> adac: yes ... you need to fix that
[19:01:27] <safzouf> I need an Expert opinion ;)
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[19:01:42] <safzouf> you are all expert I guess :)
[19:01:47] <safzouf> so any help?
[19:02:00] <mescalinum> is JDT core available on update site? I can find only standalone Eclipse package
[19:02:02] <rcjsuen> It's not good to walk in a room and assume everyone are experts :o
[19:02:13] <paulweb515> safzouf: TM/RSE supports working on remote file systems, as well as an FTP client I believe (and SSH, SFTP, etc)
[19:02:15] <paulweb515> ~TM
[19:02:15] <Arbalest> Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/tm/
[19:02:24] <rcjsuen> mescalinum: You can get JDT Core + UI in an update site. You can't just get Core though I don't think.
[19:02:40] <adac> rcjsuen, I'm an expert!!
[19:02:41] <adac> :P
[19:02:46] <safzouf> :D
[19:02:51] <mescalinum> rcjsuen: yeah, I'm trying to get all JDT (upgrading a CDT eclipse)
[19:03:01] <rcjsuen> then just use the Helios update site
[19:03:07] <rcjsuen> well, assuming you're on 3.6, we don't know what your'e on
[19:03:41] <paulweb515> safzouf: ~TM
[19:03:41] <Arbalest> Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/tm/
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[19:03:47] <safzouf> okay
[19:04:39] <adac> paulweb515, i see, i need all of them
[19:05:27] <paulweb515> adac: you have the project ... only you can say that
[19:05:38] <mescalinum> is 'Helios - http://download.eclipse.org/releases/helios' working? I get 'Could not find http://download.eclipse.org/releases/helios' error
[19:06:00] <paulweb515> mescalinum: what complains about that ... p2?  or your web browser?
[19:06:02] <safzouf> TM Does it makes ftp easy such as dreamwaver?
[19:06:16] <paulweb515> safzouf: dunno, I always use scp and command line tools
[19:06:33] <safzouf> integrated in eclipse?
[19:06:38] <mescalinum> paulweb515: Help->Install new software...
[19:06:43] <rcjsuen> It's an Eclipse plug-in.
[19:06:47] <rcjsuen> So yes it's "integrated" in that regard.
[19:07:08] <paulweb515> mescalinum: helios should still be there
[19:07:16] <adac> paulweb515, true that! well at least no compliation error  anymore so all good! thank you a  lot foryour help and your patience!
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[19:08:29] <paulweb515> adac: good luck
[19:08:35] <rcjsuen> http://download.eclipse.org/releases/helios loads for me anyway
[19:08:50] <rcjsuen> But I guess it might be going through my employer's internal mirror :o
[19:10:24] <mescalinum> I'll install all available updates and try again.... hopefully it will fix it
[19:10:31] <safzouf> whcich package to install??
[19:10:34] <safzouf> of TM?
[19:12:03] <safzouf> RSE unit, Target management, ...?
[19:12:27] <safzouf> which package for using FTP easily such as indreamwaver
[19:13:45] <paulweb515> safzouf: RSE, I believe
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[19:14:03] <safzouf> RSE SSH Service source
[19:14:12] <safzouf> RSE Telnet Service source
[19:14:21] <safzouf> RSE FTP Service source
[19:14:33] <paulweb515> safzouf: you're going to have to read through their docs or google to find out what you need ... but that's the place to get them
[19:14:46] <safzouf> okay
[19:15:05] <safzouf> emm I got errors of dependencies when trying to install them
[19:15:37] <safzouf> it's okay
[19:15:42] <safzouf> I have to select just one
[19:15:48] <paulweb515> OK
[19:16:08] <Metrol> Is there some way to prevent Eclipse from adding an empty line to the end of a file being edited?
[19:16:55] <paulweb515> Metrol: what kind of empty line?
[19:17:28] <Metrol> Well, I'll have a PHP file I've worked on in another editor.  Eclipse will always add a new empty line at the end of the file
[19:17:57] <Metrol> Which is a serious issue for PHP files having empty lines following the closing tag
[19:18:44] <Metrol> I may end up getting rid of all my closing tags in this project, but I'd prefer the editor didn't just add stuff I didn't want
[19:18:57] <Metrol> Netbeans seems to do the same thing
[19:19:44] <paulweb515> Metrol: do you just mean that if you open the file in eclipse, you can place your cursor on the line right believe the last line of text?
[19:19:52] <Metrol> Yup
[19:20:16] <paulweb515> Metrol: that's not an empty line ... that simply means the text line is CR terminated
[19:20:30] <Metrol> Well, I don't want it to do that :)
[19:20:44] <paulweb515> Metrol: your other editor correctly CR terminated your last line
[19:21:11] <paulweb515> Metrol: and they're supposed to be
[19:21:12] <Metrol> Don't think so... working with jEdit normally
[19:22:00] <Metrol> Only shows an empty line there if one actually was put there by me.  Running diff against my SVN repo confirms that a CR is being added where one wasn't
[19:22:06] <paulweb515> Metrol: in vi if I open a text file and enter line, it shows me one line (I can't go below it).  If I open that in eclipse, I can put my cursor below the text ... but that's because of the CR at the end of the line, not any empty line
[19:22:17] <paulweb515> Metrol: I'm pretty sure Jedit works that way as well
[19:22:35] <paulweb515> Metrol: so it's showing a CR at the end of your text line ...
[19:23:19] <Metrol> It's adding something... hang on... I'll see if I can work up that diff on a file real quick
[19:23:31] <paulweb515> Metrol: you're implying that simply opening your PHP file actually saves a change to the file system?
[19:24:06] <paulweb515> Metrol: can you reproduce it by opening the file, changing a character at the top, and saving it?  Does that change the CR at the bottom as well?
[19:24:19] <Metrol> Hmmm, not this time
[19:24:29] <paulweb515> Metrol: it is worth figuring out what's going on ... but PHP will not yack if the last line is CR terminated
[19:24:34] <Metrol> Phewy, I hate it when stuff comes and goes
[19:25:06] <Metrol> The problem kicks in if you redirect the page if any of those extra spaces are output to the browser
[19:26:33] <Metrol> Perhaps I got this backwards then... when I remove the visible empty line my diff shows "No new line at end of file".  So I think I see what you're talking about
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[19:27:03] <paulweb515> Metrol: you don't want that kind of error
[19:27:17] <Metrol> Understood
[19:27:31] <Metrol> The visual of having an empty line there was throwing me off
[19:27:57] <Metrol> Thanks for putting my head on straight for that one :)
[19:29:35] <Metrol> I do have one other thing driving me a little nuts trying to put Eclipse to use for me... passing complex queries to my PostgreSQL server
[19:30:10] <Metrol> Using the DTP plugin and known working queries using the "with" statement come back with syntax errors
[19:30:17] <Metrol> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.4/interactive/queries-with.html
[19:30:49] <Metrol> Was thinking it might be the db driver, but both jEdit and Netbeans are using the same jdbc driver without issue
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[19:32:16] <Metrol> Any idea where I might hunt down more info about this one?  Google is useless looking for a keyword of "with".
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[19:35:48] <paulweb515> Metrol: you could try in the DTP forums ... they usually answer user questions there: ~forums
[19:35:49] <Arbalest> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/
[19:36:09] <Metrol> Thanks, I'll check that out
[19:36:38] <Metrol> I did manage to find their bugzilla site... found one that looks similar for a different db syntax: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=344705
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[19:47:39] <Metrol> Swing and a miss at the forums, and nothing that I could find in bugzilla. sigh.
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[19:48:36] <Metrol> I guess it's not a heavily used feature.  Still, MySQL, Oracle, and PostgreSQL all support that command.
[19:51:05] <safzouf> But it's not like Dreamwaver FTP management
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[19:53:21] <ulfdoz> Metrol: Triple check, whether your SQL-Statement is submitted with a leading UTF-8 BOM. Postgres does not ignore it, instead it throws a syntax error.
[19:54:12] <ulfdoz> And the with-clause is heavily used.
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[20:00:07] <Metrol> utf-8 bom???
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[20:01:49] <ulfdoz> Metrol: The so called Byte-Order-Marker. It can ocasionally be found at beginning of Unicode streams/text. It is used to distinguish Little-Endian and Big-Endian encoding. UTF-8 does not need it and its use discouraged. However, it is still the unicode charachter "non-breaking space" and best ignored entirely, if one does not rely on it.
[20:02:34] <Metrol> I normally work with jEdit saving my files as utf-8, but I'm trying a brand new query typed entirely in Eclipse to see what happens
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[20:03:27] <ulfdoz> Metrol: Windows often writes it, at least windows xp.
[20:03:52] <ulfdoz> If that's the case for you, you can find out with a hex editor.
[20:04:29] <Metrol> Wow... this time it worked
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[20:04:55] <Metrol> So how to use my old SQL files that apparently have this oddity in it?
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[20:05:50] <Metrol> Saving an older file with Eclipse doesn't seem to clean that up
[20:06:02] <nitind> ulfdoz: Except that one of the BOMs flat out tells you you're working with UTF-8.
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[20:08:03] <ulfdoz> Metrol: No, it does not.
[20:08:09] <nightwatch> hey guys I've imported a project which has an ant script and a folder with a meta source (this source has to be parsed by ant to replace @value@ for another value read from a properties file) I'm in trouble setting up the project here. first eclipse identifies all ant annotations (@bla@) as an error.. I google to fix it but I havent found answer.. could you guys help me?
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[20:08:53] <ulfdoz> nitind: Encoding is external configuratoin, and given by the environment, was so with ASCII-8bit, can remain. It is for historical reasons globally with respect to the system.
[20:09:11] <nightwatch> Im using eclipse helios
[20:09:28] <nitind> ulfdoz: Except for file types that declare their encoding in their content, of course.
[20:10:25] <Metrol> So, I've got this UTF-8 file with a BOM on it that works from jEdit, Netbeans, and pgAdmin.  Is it just totally lost on Eclipse then?
[20:10:50] <ulfdoz> Metrol: at least pgadmin actively strips the BOM.
[20:10:52] <Metrol> And if I edit that file outside of Eclipse, I can assume that file is lost as well
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[20:12:01] <Metrol> So is there something I can do to use my SQL files in Eclipse without having to start each one over from scratch?
[20:12:36] <ulfdoz> yes, remove the BOM, I use frhed for it, eclipse will not add one, however, pgadmin does.
[20:13:10] <Metrol> What is frhed?  An external hex editor?
[20:13:21] <ulfdoz> Metrol: yes, a hex editor.
[20:13:45] <nightwatch> how to make eclipse recognize ant filter tags ??
[20:14:43] <Metrol> ulfdoz, that's a lot of files I've got to go into that level on.
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[20:15:02] <Metrol> Thanks for the info... at least I'm better informed about what all is going on
[20:15:06] <ulfdoz> Metrol: Sorry, I have no better solution now.
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[20:15:57] <Metrol> Been bouncing into Eclipse every once in a while to see if I can make the leap to use it full time.  Always seems to be something that trips me up.  Ah well.
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[20:17:00] <ulfdoz> Metrol: It is not eclipse' fault imho. It is a mixture of MFC-Components and Postgres. Postgres imho has the bigger part here.
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[20:17:33] <Metrol> ulfdoz, Not meaning to point fingers... just something seems to pop up is all
[20:18:08] <Metrol> There's some really nifty stuff in Eclipse I'd like to make more use of... or I'd have stopped trying to play with it a while ago
[20:18:25] <cgb> Metrol: Do you still try to figure out how the extra char gets at the end of the line?
[20:18:42] <Metrol> Nope, I get what is going on there now
[20:18:53] <Metrol> jEdit is hiding it, Eclipse is showing it
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[20:19:45] <Metrol> I will say this... on this round of testing Eclipse I found a lot less wrong with it than I had in the past
[20:20:15] <Metrol> The syntax highlighting has gotten a bit better, and nasty PHP related bug with looking at svn diffs has been fixed up
[20:20:56] <bpanulla> What's up with the Data Tools Platform? Do I really need to install this via a download? Whither update site support?
[20:21:14] <Metrol> I suppose like anything, I've got myself so wrapped around jEdit and how it does stuff other apps need to be able to do all the same and more
[20:21:35] <Metrol> bpanulla, Help -> Install New Sofware
[20:21:39] <bpanulla> The Helios update site only shows "Enablement Extender SDK" and "Platform Extender SDK"
[20:22:17] <Metrol> Select the "Database Development" tree and walk through the install.  All of which from with Eclipse
[20:22:19] <bpanulla> Metrol: normally I don't install anything with "SDK" in the name since I'm not working on the plugins. Am I missing something?
[20:23:09] <Metrol> I just installed both... it'll provide the tools to connect to a db
[20:23:46] <Metrol> Apparently not the tools to strip a BOM from a file though :(  bpanulla, disregard that comment please
[20:23:49] <bpanulla> Okay.. I'll give it s try.
[20:25:58] <Metrol> bpanulla, leaving you with the folks in here who actually know a thing or two about this stuff.
[20:26:21] <Metrol> Thanks again for all the direction on this... need to get back to the paycheck based work now :)
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[20:29:27] <nightwatch> does anybody uses eclipse with an ant-annotated file?
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[20:32:53] <paulweb515_> what's an ant-annotated file?
[20:33:52] <lemmy> nightwatch: Are you talking about an ant file opened with the ant editor?
[20:34:58] <nightwatch> no, I've got a java file full of @bla@ that has to be replaced, and eclipse keeps annoying me pointing them as errors
[20:36:05] <paulweb515_> nightwatch: until you run them through ant <replace /> it's a broken java file
[20:36:33] <paulweb515_> nightwatch: does it have to be in your source folder?  Or can it even be XXX.java.template and then add an ant builder to fix it?
[20:36:35] <nightwatch> so, there' s no way to change it then?
[20:37:00] <nightwatch> oh, yes, is not in src folder is a template folder
[20:37:05] <paulweb515_> nightwatch: as long as it says .java ... it's a java file with syntax errors
[20:37:29] <paulweb515_> nightwatch: so you mean the editor shows errors, not that errors show up in your Problems view ?
[20:37:33] <lemmy> nightwatch: remove the template folder from the projects src folder path?!
[20:38:16] <nightwatch> but lemmy if I do so, then I cannot browse through the code using eclipse shortcuts
[20:38:59] <nightwatch> and the src folder is erased to build a new one whenever I run ant clean
[20:39:48] <lemmy> nightwatch: why don't you set the src folder path to the folder that contains the processed .java files?
[20:39:59] <nightwatch> so ant runs on template folder, then src folder is build, then the compiler runs on src folder
[20:40:49] <nightwatch> I can do that, but If i change the code all changes are lost at the time I run ant clean (which creates a new src folder based on the template)
[20:43:18] <lemmy> nightwatch: why do you need to preprocess the .java files with ant anyway?
[20:43:41] <nightwatch> not my code, i just got in this way
[20:43:44] <nightwatch> what about this template extension?  can I change the name of the file in template folder in order to eclipse still identifies as a java file (allowing me to browse through the code and with syntax highlighting) while ignores ant tags?
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[20:44:59] <nightwatch> or can I just add an expression to editor to make it ignore the @bla@ as an error?
[20:45:29] <lemmy> nightwatch: you will have to make the eclipse java compile aware of your ant extensions and have it treat them as comments.
[20:46:07] <nightwatch> I have no clue about to make it
[20:46:50] <lemmy> nightwatch: can you change the ant token to be something like "/*@bla@" turning it into a comment from the java perspective?
[20:47:34] <nightwatch> no, I think the @@ is standard..
[20:48:10] <nightwatch> and it wont solve my problem because there will be an variable with being assigned with a comment
[20:48:25] <nightwatch> sorry my typos
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[20:53:04] <paulweb515_> nightwatch: no, the java editor won't accept partial java files
[20:53:45] <nightwatch> ok
[20:53:49] <nightwatch> giving up
[20:54:02] <paulweb515_> nightwatch: I looked through Preferences>Java>Editors and don't see anything relevant
[20:54:21] <lemmy> nightwatch: do you have the template folder added as a src folder?
[20:54:50] <nightwatch> i gonna try ignore those errors and that' s it. I was just wondering that this was me being just stupid because seems like a basic feature of ant..
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[20:55:22] <nightwatch> lemmy, yes. but I can change that
[20:55:52] <lemmy> If I rename X.java file to X.template inside a folder configured to be a src folder and associate *.template with the Java editor, it ignores @foo@ stmts.
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[20:56:22] <lemmy> Still it decorates the X.template like a Java file.
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[20:56:58] <nightwatch> lemmy, that' s great thanks gonna try it
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[21:34:45] <LimitedAtonement> write once crash everywhere
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[21:55:59] <remx> How do I set the JRE path for eclipse?
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[21:56:39] <tron71> hi
[21:56:46] <tron71> I had installed eclipse indigo RC3
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[21:57:23] <tron71> I see that RC4 is available
[21:57:37] <tron71> but when I check for updates from eclipse I get no proposal for RC4
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[22:00:32] <lemmy> remx "-vm argument". http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_run_Eclipse
[22:01:13] <remx> lemmy: I tried that pointing to C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_26\bin with no avail
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[22:01:40] <remx> Sorry not that
[22:01:49] <remx> C:\Program Files\Java\jre6
[22:02:03] <remx> I've copied the binaries over to the eclipse folder
[22:02:16] <remx> Something I did broke the paths
[22:02:29] <remx> Never mind
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[23:26:40] <explodes> Hello, I have a project already in eclipse, the actual contents are already managed by git.  Team > Share... > [git] Doesn't seem to load the current .git configuration (i.e. track the project using the existing source control settings) What am I missing?
[23:28:37] <explodes> It would appear /.git/ is UNDER the project, not inline...
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[23:41:32] <mdwright-gdeskto> I've got a Java app that's running. When it finishes, it doesn't close, so I'm assuming one of the things I'm linking into still has a thread running at the end of execution. Is there anyway to use eclipse to see what threads are running at the end of execution?
[23:42:08] <FauxFaux> Pause it in the debugger and it'll show you currently running threads.
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[23:44:13] <Chilaquiles> hey guys I was wondering if there is any option en eclipse like Zend Studio where I can select a new PHP project from a remote server?
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[23:48:19] <Chilaquiles> nobody?
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[23:50:23] <paulweb515_> Chilaquiles: I know a lot of PHP guys use TM/RSE to work on remote PHP projects
[23:50:34] <paulweb515_> Chilaquiles: but you probably have to do some of the setup yourself:  ~TM
[23:50:35] <Arbalest> Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/tm/
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[23:51:58] <Chilaquiles> I have installed a bunch of @#$%@
[23:52:03] <Chilaquiles> but nothing worked
[23:52:20] <paulweb515_> Chilaquiles: were they suppose to?  RSE is the remote system explorer
[23:52:56] <Chilaquiles> right
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[23:53:12] <Chilaquiles> I don't know why I can't get it to work as Zend Studio
[23:54:11] <paulweb515_> Chilaquiles: Zend studio might implement their own "deal with remote" hook
[23:54:24] <paulweb515_> Chilaquiles: if they don't open source it ... well, we won't see it :-)
[23:54:41] <Chilaquiles> but I thought there might be a way to do it
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[23:57:20] <paulweb515_> Chilaquiles: that's where RSE comes in
[23:57:43] <Chilaquiles> is that a Eclipse plug in?
[23:58:18] <paulweb515_> Chilaquiles: yes ... see ~TM
[23:58:19] <Arbalest> Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/tm/
[23:58:21] <paulweb515_> Chilaquiles: http://2tbsp.com/content/getting_started_eclipse_php_development_tools_%28pdt%29
[23:59:06] <Chilaquiles> oh paulweb515 that was the crap I installed on my ecplise
[23:59:17] <Chilaquiles> I took 2 hours
[23:59:46] <Chilaquiles> cuz one of them couldn't be installed cuz the address of the repositories was meesed up, so I had to do it manually





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