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[00:20:54] <michaely> I am interested in learning security and trusted bundles for OSGI. Does the eclipse equinox book cover this in detail?
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[00:37:14] <JaVaSan> I'm currently using Eclipse + m2eclipse (Maven 2), but I'm stuck with the following error in a pom.xml for one of my projects: Error resolving version for plugin 'org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-source-plugin' from the repositories [local (C:\Users  \notphilco\.m2\repository), <some other repositories>, central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2)]: Plugin not found in any plugin repository Any clue?
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[00:41:34] <ronr_> JaVaSan: you may want to ask over at #m2eclipse on irc.codehaus.org
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[01:04:24] <acron17> hi there! i like the dialog in eclipse which presents long running operations (e.g. refactoring) which can also be send into background where the information is than displayed through the progress view
[01:05:10] <acron17> i would like to use this for my plugin. can someone tell me which classes provide this functionality?
[01:06:53] <FauxFaux> IProgress
[01:06:54] <paulweb515_> It's Jobs that are displayed in the progress view
[01:07:15] <paulweb515_> acron17: but it's a global preferences that determines Progress dialog vs Progress view, AFAIK
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[01:07:56] <paulweb515_> acron17: or use the IProgressService.  I see org.eclipse.ui.progress.IProgressService.showInDialog(Shell, Job)
[01:08:41] <rcjsuen> there's also the PMD
[01:09:26] <acron17> paulweb515: well the refactor dialog has an option named "Run in background" or the like with which the modal dialog closes and instead the progress is shown in the progress view
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[01:34:43] <acron17> paulweb515: i now tried with IProgressService.showInDialog(Shell, Job). the progress is shown in the progress view but it is not shown in a dialog
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[01:48:05] <acron17> ok, found out myself. just for the records: IProgressService is the right attempt, setUser(true) must be called on the instance of the inherited job class (before schedule() )
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[02:04:53] <rcjsuen> ah yes setUser(boolean)
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[08:34:26] <Max__> What is wrong with my CDT install and how do I fix it? http://pastebin.com/QZy8eCbJ
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[08:54:54] <FauxFaux> Max__: Classic xulrunner problem.
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[08:56:22] <Max__> FauxFaux: so, how do I fix it?
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[09:01:27] <FauxFaux> Max__: First 50 google results for "eclipse xulrunner" should help.
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[09:02:13] <FauxFaux> Or for 'eclipse "XPCom error"' in fact.
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[09:13:36] <Max__> FauxFaux: the solutions seem to be the update of xulrunner. But I'm using the newest stable verison, 2.0.1!
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[10:03:43] <jink> DynV: Weird.  But glad it works now. :)
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[10:22:45] <FauxFaux> Tee hee, Eclipse MAT's menus are invisible in Unity -> completely unusable.
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[10:25:20] <Max__> Yay Unity?
[10:25:38] <FauxFaux> Better than Gnome and KDE. :/
[10:26:19] <jink> Nothing beats shell. :>
[10:26:34] <Max__> I still don't know how to fix my xulrunner probloem :(
[10:26:37] <Max__> *problem
[10:31:19] <acron17> hi there! i've a more general question about plugin development: how do you guys design your (gui)-plugins?
[10:32:03] <acron17> more concrete i assume you use the mvc pattern. how about the controller do you have one or more, maybe related to each other?
[10:32:24] <acron17> and how fit handlers like AbstractHandler into your design?
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[10:37:48] <dinesh___> hey guys, eclipse hangs on "calculating requirements and dependencies" when trying to install EclEmma from the market place on Helios, any idea?
[10:38:30] <FauxFaux> Untick the "check all update sites for crap I don't need" box or stop using the update wizard.
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[10:54:45] <dinesh___> thanks that worked fahadsadah
[10:54:47] <dinesh___> FauxFaux*
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[10:55:39] <wild_oscar> hi. is it possible to make  "mark the target directory as derived" the default?
[10:56:03] <wild_oscar> it's always derived, and having to do it for every project is cumbersome
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[11:00:40] <TJ__> if i have a define, and hover over it, i get a popup with black background, how do i change this to white so i can read the text ?
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[11:11:13] <TJ__> Preferences > C/C++ > Editor > Source hover background
[11:11:15] <TJ__> thanks
[11:11:17] <TJ__> :)
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[11:13:37] <binarious> Hi, are the eclipse helios' update sites available for you?
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[12:26:51] <acron17> nobody interested in giving me some hints for plugin code design?
[12:28:33] <paulweb515_> acron17: it's such a broad area.  Eclipse 4 uses MVC with an EMF model as the M and a set of Renderers as the V
[12:29:05] <paulweb515_> acron17: apparently we didn't do one of the best practices, which is to encapsulate all change requests to the model in EMF commands
[12:29:28] <acron17> paulweb515: ok, but i'm using eclipse 3. have you ready my question above?
[12:31:03] <jink> I like the template macros.  I just did one for Map.entrySet().  It's cute. ^__^
[12:31:32] <paulweb515_> acron17: I read you asking about MVC ... what's you M?
[12:32:39] <acron17> paulweb515: can you please read my question from 10:34 or should i repost it? the M is not my problem the C gives me headaches
[12:34:07] <paulweb515_> acron17: re-post please ... my timestamps are different :-)
[12:34:24] <acron17> paulweb515: ah, well, of course :-)
[12:35:01] <acron17> hi there! i've a more general question about plugin development: how do you guys design your (gui)-plugins?
[12:35:08] <acron17> more concrete i assume you use the mvc pattern. how about the controller do you have one or more, maybe related to each other?
[12:35:14] <acron17>  and how fit handlers like AbstractHandler into your design?
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[12:36:42] <acron17> maybe i should provide some more details: in my plugin i've two viewparts (a treeviewer and a view which contains some button) which interact
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[12:37:37] <real_ate> is the eclipse download site down? I'm trying to access the software updates but it keeps failing e.g. http://download.eclipse.org/technology/m2e/milestones/1.0
[12:37:52] <acron17> i also need to interact with remote a remote soap-server and maybe the current editor (not sure about that). i do not want a ready made design from you, but more general advices for the controler and handler
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[13:00:33] <paulweb515_> real_ate: how does it fail?
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[13:07:09] <real_ate> paulweb515_: it is just not responding
[13:08:36] <paulweb515_> real_ate: are there any errors in your error log?  it's getting close to release time, and bandwidth might be a problem.  I can definitely see files there.
[13:11:48] <real_ate> paulweb515_: ah its back up now
[13:12:04] <real_ate> paulweb515_: i didnt' notice any errors in the error log, and its installed fine now
[13:12:29] <real_ate> i've restarted eclipse so i don't know if there is any more useful information i can give :/
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[13:18:55] <rcjsuen> Max__: You can't use xulrunner 2
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[13:24:43] <paulweb515_> real_ate: it could just be the heavy traffic
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[13:28:34] <Max__> rcjsuen: Really? I need to downgrade? That will screw up FF 4 though...
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[13:30:56] <rcjsuen> I didn't say anything about downgrading.
[13:31:14] <Max__> OK, then what should I do?
[13:31:14] <rcjsuen> check the swt faq
[13:31:46] <Max__> It's very long, and I;m not sure what I'm looking for...
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[13:32:34] <rcjsuen> you should look for keywords, like xulrunner
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[13:41:38] <Max__> I'm at http://www.eclipse.org/swt/faq.php and I'm not seeing anything related to xulrunner 2. It looks like I can downgrade to 1.9 and FF will still work. But is there another option?
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[13:42:50] <rcjsuen> a) install an older version of XULRunner and tell Eclipse to use that or b) install WebKit GTK and tell Eclipse to use that
[13:44:52] <Max__> Fortunately webkit GTK is already installed. Which is good, because I hate having to manually find and install older versions of installed software. The mirrors can get messy.
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[13:48:12] <Max__> Um... does this mean that I need to completely uninstall Eclipse and then build it from scratch?
[13:49:10] <rcjsuen> Assuming you're using 3.6 or 3.7, no.
[13:49:39] <Max__> I'm using 3.6
[13:51:11] <Max__> What do I need to do?
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[14:01:48] <rcjsuen> http://www.eclipse.org/swt/faq.php#browserwebkitgtk
[14:02:22] <Max__> Where do I find org.eclipse.swt.browser.UseWebKitGTK ?
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[14:12:58] <rcjsuen> you don't find it, it's a JVM system property that you can preset on the command line when starting Eclipse or in its eclipse.ini file
[14:13:55] <Max__> I can just append that line to the end of the ini file in /usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse.ini ?
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[14:38:22] <Max__> rcjsuen...?
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[14:40:22] <ualtin> Hi how do I export a Project as executable jar file. If I klick on Project->Export->Executable Jar
[14:40:35] <ualtin> it asks for lunch configuration, but the dropdown list is emty
[14:41:56] <Max__> ualtin: you need to select the class that has a main() in it.
[14:42:43] <Max__> The dropdown menu for the launch configuration should have a list of all the runnable (read: has a main() function) classes that you've run recently.
[14:42:46] <ualtin> Max__, I know.. but the list was empty... I needed to run the class with main first so it appears in the list to select
[14:42:58] <Max__> OK. Did that help?
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[14:43:44] <RaceCondition> how to get Eclipse Marketplace support in Aptana Studio 3?
[14:43:53] <RaceCondition> there's no Help -> Eclipse Marketplace option
[14:43:54] <ualtin> Max__, thanks it did
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[14:45:54] <rcjsuen> Not necessarily. It depends on your eclipse.ini. Arguments to the JVM needs be in the vmargs section (if there isn't one already).
[14:46:59] <Max__> Can you show me an example, please?
[14:48:36] <Max__> This is my ini file: http://pastebin.com/TX8ryJvF
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[14:53:47] <rcjsuen> line 14 has the right idea, you want the similar -D format for your webkit gtk thing
[14:54:27] <Max__> But underneath the -vmargs flag in line 11, right?]
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[14:56:58] <Max__> That didn't work. I'm still seeing the angle brackets around the C++ and Java perspectives :(
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[15:02:31] <rcjsuen> Even if it worked (or not), they wouldn't make those <Java> perspectives go away
[15:02:56] <Max__> I thought that was the problem...
[15:06:32] <rcjsuen> well, i can see it making Eclipse crash or making your content assist not work
[15:06:41] <rcjsuen> but they wouldn't be related to those crocodile mouths
[15:07:05] <Max__> Hmm
[15:07:20] <Max__> I thought that was an indication that thesomething broke on the install?
[15:08:30] <rcjsuen> In a way...but the browser problem is unrelated here.
[15:08:49] <rcjsuen> It could be indirectly related. But I will say you can get into that state even if your browser was fine, let's put it that way.
[15:09:14] <Max__> OK.
[15:10:34] <Max__> Further symptoms include no proper C++ perspective toolbar (build, etc') and no content assist in C++. Also, when I double-click a cpp file it opens it in the default text editor (kwrite, in my case) and not in the Eclipse window.
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[15:12:19] <rcjsuen> That likely imples you don't have the CDT plug-in installed on your system.
[15:12:24] <rcjsuen> or Eclipse can't find it, well, means the same thing anyway
[15:13:31] <Max__> But I do have it installed. How do I manually point Eclipse to it?
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[15:18:59] <rcjsuen> I think what you should identify is what happened between Eclipse's CDT support working and not working
[15:19:41] <Max__> ???
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[15:21:16] <rfajardo> hi there, do you know of recommendable code coverage tool for C development, under CDT?
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[16:26:31] <rolf> hi
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[16:27:45] <rolf> I am using an external library which provides a CLASS called Queue, eclipse is always complaining, that Queue is an interface (the normal jdk Queue!), how can I make him understand, that I want to use another class?
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[16:29:24] <rolf> the problem is, that the class Queue is in a package called java.util.Queue so it doesn't help to reference that library (altough, it is)
[16:30:06] <FauxFaux> rolf: Eclipse asks you what classes you want to import.
[16:30:23] <FauxFaux> Preferences -> Type Filters allows you to make java.util.Queue Not Exist.
[16:32:22] <rolf> mh, still get the litte red errors and the same suggestions
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[16:37:45] <apollov> Hi all. It's 2 days I'm trying to understand the right way to connect my workspace to svn repository.
[16:37:45] <apollov> I've got a project, a trunk, a branch and 2 working copies. 1 is connected to trunk. Second is disconnected from repo.
[16:37:45] <apollov> What am I to do to connect that second copy to a branch?
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[17:05:05] <rcjsuen> Max__, Max____: What I mean is that you need to ask yourself what happened to your system the last time Eclipse was workign for you and when it stopped working for you
[17:06:31] <Max____> When I installed a new OS. I went from Mandriva (Eclipse Ganymede) to Mageia (Eclipse Helios).
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[17:10:21] <rcjsuen> so you mean yum updated your eclipse rpm from Ganymede to Helios?
[17:10:39] <fisix> why does eclipse display the error symbol on my packages, but there are no erreors within?
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[17:12:01] <Max____> No. I did a clean install. Now the Eclipse that is in the repos is Helios, not Ganymede.
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[17:14:45] <Max____> fisix: sometimes the error symbol doesn't go away until you save the project again, or build.
[17:16:22] <rcjsuen> Max____: So you installed a clean distro installed and installed eclipse and eclipse-cdt from yum but when you start you can't make C/C++ projects?
[17:16:31] <Max____> Exactly.
[17:16:52] <Max____> But not yum, rpmdrak.
[17:16:52] <Max____> Same difference.
[17:17:03] <rcjsuen> Max____: You should talk with the ppl in #eclipse-linux then. That is very odd.
[17:17:12] <rcjsuen> ppl there wrok on the deb/rpm packages
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[17:17:44] <Max____> OK.
[17:19:35] <fisix> Max__, i've tried to save, clean, and rebuild. still there :b
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[17:37:12] <erik__> I cannot find any hints from googling so far... I have trouble starting Eclipse on Ubuntu 11.4 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu. I get a run time error with something like Illegal field name "SERVICE_FAC     ORY_EXCEPTION" (org.eclipse.osgi) the full log is here: http://pastebin.info/2028
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[17:47:23] <tq|Memphis> hi, i want to install eclipse pdt on my debian but i am totally newbie i did some search but there isnt any solid explanation for it can someone wanna help me?
[17:47:59] <tq|Memphis> now downloading java6-* packages -.-
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[17:58:07] <danharibo> Hi, quick question, how can I add source files to my PHP projec that are in a different location? E.g. source code at D:\web\project\* and eclipse project at D:\Eclipse\Workspace\Project
[18:00:17] <paulweb515> danharibo: create a folder, and use the advanced button to point it at another location on the file system
[18:00:25] <danharibo> ok, thanks
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[18:09:33] <ulfdoz> g'eve. Is there a way, to set properties like java.endorsed.dirs in a project's configuration globally?
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[18:14:11] <Echidna> is there a way to programmatically switch to the next page in Wizard?
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[18:23:37] <briandealwis> Echidna: IWizardContainer#showPage()
[18:24:24] <Echidna> briandealwis: thix
[18:24:27] <Echidna> thx*
[18:24:50] <tq|Memphis> anyone know what is this that error ? http://pastebin.com/qfNyECXH
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[19:01:40] <DynV> I'm cleaning up a source code but don't want to delete it so I've created an archival source containing only the part I don't want anymore (I case I decide to put them back) but when I build the cleaned-up version it also does the archival and I'd like the later that to not be built, is there a way to have a source code be excluded from a project build?
[19:02:07] <DynV> ^ delete the unneeded parts
[19:03:07] <ulfdoz> DynV: Use revision control/source code management.
[19:03:39] <ulfdoz> Even for small home-made projects, this turns out to be a win as soon as you get used to it.
[19:03:45] <DynV> ulfdoz: Where is that? sorry I'm new to Eclipse. :)
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[19:04:50] <ulfdoz> DynV: In Eclipse there is only UI secondary support. The basic tool is given by stuff like mercurial, darcs, git, subversion, cvs, bzr, and probably a lot more.
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[19:05:34] <ulfdoz> At least mercurial, cvs, subversion and git are supported by eclipse plugins.
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[19:07:09] <DynV> ulfdoz: so the RC (revision control) is underneath Eclipse GUI between the compiler?
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[19:07:43] <ulfdoz> DynV: No, it has nothing to do with the compiler, it just manages your files and allows you to track changes in them.
[19:09:11] <ulfdoz> DynV: It does not care, whether it manages text, source code or anything else. It tracks revisions, you can restore, diff, search, merge, bisect, etc. pp.
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[19:11:40] <DynV> ulfdoz: oh so you're suggestion I don't do such a crude method as to do a "thrash" source code file and use that tool to retrieve deleted parts?
[19:11:53] <DynV> suggesting
[19:12:27] * DynV found what I was looking for
[19:13:31] 
[19:13:42] <ulfdoz> DynV: Exactly.
[19:14:00] <DynV> ulfdoz: I will consider that, thatk you :)
[19:14:41] <DynV> ulfdoz: for now I'm using a "simple" backup tool set hourly on my Eclipse workspace :D
[19:14:43] <ulfdoz> I personally do such clean up work in a separate branch (something like an independent source tree). If I'm sure, I got it right, I merge this branch with the main branch. If I did a mistake I can move back and forth at will.
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[19:18:41] <ulfdoz> DynV: This configuration stuff works, as long as you do not rely on a build system outside of eclipse. For example if you use eclipse with maven or ant, neither maven nor ant will know what is excluded from the build, it is there, they will build it.
[19:20:06] <DynV> ulfdoz: ty, anyway on more serious projects, I'd likely get the system you're proposing ; drupal uses git so I'd look into that.
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[19:22:03] <ulfdoz> git is quite prominent for performance and some more advanced features, but it is not ported to windows, which actually was the cause why it lost the race against mercurial on my project. If you can, simply omit subversion or cvs, both are damn old school.
[19:24:53] <DynV> ulfdoz: can git run on cygwin?
[19:25:02] * DynV looove cygwin
[19:25:04] <ulfdoz> DynV: Yes, it can.
[19:25:08] <DynV> there you go!
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[19:26:34] <ulfdoz> mercurial has great UI support on Windows including explorer integration provided by tortoisehg. Windows Devs usually aren't command line warriors, so you may need a decision, that works for the team.
[19:27:41] <Seta00> TortoiseGit is somehow functional
[19:27:48] <DynV> ulfdoz: on that you're right but spending a bit of time creating a batch file for the reticent could also be a solution. ;)
[19:27:53] <Seta00> but not as stable as TortoiseHg
[19:28:17] <ulfdoz> Seta00: If it's a similar level as for hg or svn, then, there is no problem anymore.
[19:28:26] <jebblue> Subversion is solid and has great Explorer integration for those not yet weened of that OS
[19:29:12] <jebblue> although I only use Subclipse regardless what OS I'm on
[19:29:44] <ulfdoz> jebblue: I haven't experienced it as being solid, especially the (optionally) underlying berkley-db was more borken than not.
[19:30:08] <Seta00> ulfdoz, it's still weird in some operations, but it's usable, yeah. just make sure people on important roles like configuration managers don't rely on it
[19:30:09] <Seta00> :)
[19:30:20] <ulfdoz> And the other thing is: distributed rcs have a killer feature. :)
[19:30:21] <jebblue> ulfdoz odd, I've found it to be stable for the past several years and the teams I've been on
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[19:30:52] <Seta00> no doubt it's stable, but like ulfdoz said, distributed vcs's are so much better :P
[19:31:34] <jebblue> Seta00 let everyone have their own copy of the entire repo and that is better for configuration management? no thanks
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[19:31:49] <BoF> alguien de habla hispana?
[19:31:51] <BoF> por aca?
[19:32:29] <jebblue> for that matter I think we should all move to thin clients and work out of remote VMs running on Linux running on a mainrame :-) so there
[19:32:51] <ulfdoz> At university, I was forced to use SVN, which didn't match use cases like working in the train for a day. Thus I had a darcs overlay for this case, regularly I imported the darcs changes into the svn repo. That is just useless work.
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[19:35:19] <jebblue> ulfdoz in some parts of the world it might make sense it's just the idea of floating repos everywhere - doesn't sound logical to me - and with everyone so connected these days...I don't see the point in giving up central management of something so critical as what is putting food on the table - maybe i'm too old school
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[19:36:55] <ulfdoz> jebblue: I declared one repostory as the reference. What's in there must work, what's not there does not exist.
[19:36:56] <paulweb515> jebblue: in most cases there's still one central repo
[19:37:12] <paulweb515> jebblue: I know we're looking at git for a couple of eclispe projects
[19:37:30] <paulweb515> jebblue: but we still need 1 repo ... that's the master, that's what we build from
[19:37:43] <ulfdoz> paulweb515: Exactly!
[19:37:58] <BoF> how i make a report easy?
[19:38:07] <BoF> i need to make report
[19:38:09] <BoF> plz
[19:38:12] <BoF> help me
[19:38:55] <jebblue> ok I need to look into git more then - as long as there's a central master thanks for the tips ulfdoz and Paul
[19:39:21] <paulweb515> jebblue: if it doesn't help you, don't do it! :-)
[19:39:42] <paulweb515> jebblue: it's the cool, new, hot thing ... and I think it has some nice benefits
[19:40:12] <paulweb515> jebblue: but what you need to build drives your RelEng, and that drives the SCMs you can consume ...
[19:40:32] <ulfdoz> jebblue: It's like linux kernel, it is build from one repository, tagged and finally released. But you still have branches like xen, mm or selinux.
[19:42:05] <jebblue> paulweb515 well  I've not used it on a team yet - right the young ones keep talking about it - good point ulfdoz, Linux designed git for the Linux kernel use I think, originally
[19:42:29] <ulfdoz> yes, they did.
[19:42:43] <jebblue> oops meant Linux*
[19:42:50] <jebblue> dang it Linus :)
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[19:44:16] <ulfdoz> My bigger problems are with people in a satellite team, which refuse to use any rcs, not even cvs. The result is: No code, no fixes.
[19:45:13] <ulfdoz> And I forgot: Broken binaries, every day.
[19:45:18] <jebblue> I use SVN for all my own web sites and all my hobby app work - local filesystem repo - gets backed up regularly - even a team of 1 can benefit from src control when that ooops moment happens
[19:45:45] <paulweb515> ulfdoz: I almost spilled my coffee ... what kind of team doesn't use an SCM?
[19:45:57] <ulfdoz> paulweb515: Our firmware team.
[19:46:09] <jebblue> unreal
[19:46:40] <paulweb515> ulfdoz: even the "old" companies that hacked together their firmware (cisco, BNR, all early years) had *some* SCM where code was committed
[19:46:47] <paulweb515> heck, BNR wrote its own ...
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[19:47:32] <ulfdoz> The App-Devs currently have around 1200 revisions and about 10 branches, for some reason, our stuff most often works. Maybe, this relates to continous integration directly connected to the master repository.
[19:48:18] <jebblue> Hudson rocks
[19:48:38] <ulfdoz> I play with the idea, to switch to jenkins.
[19:48:46] <ulfdoz> I'm fairly unamused about oracle.
[19:49:31] <BoF> alguien de habla hispana?
[19:49:35] <ulfdoz> And even if I swich to jenkins, to just piss someone before it was given to eclipse and reunioned.
[19:49:40] <jebblue> Gosling wasn't thrilled either - he has a great blog site
[19:51:01] <paulweb515> ulfdoz: while I will have a pref (as I'm an eclipse committer and will consume Hudson) I think Oracle did most of the *bad* going on there.
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[19:52:28] <ulfdoz> paulweb515: I'm in general not satisfied with Oracle. It's all around patents and marketing, Sun did a completely different strategy making the open ecosystem, java actually is.
[19:52:28] <TravisD> Are there any updates to the CDT for using C++0x?
[19:52:32] <paulweb515> ulfdoz: but now, the 2 projects have a slightly different focus.  Jenkins is moving on, adding new functionality and following their roadmap.  Hudson immediate focus is things like OSGi support, so a slightly different roadmap.
[19:52:46] <paulweb515> ulfdoz: Sun's not the good guy, here
[19:52:58] <paulweb515> ulfdoz: their behaviour during the Java 7 fiasco was abhorent
[19:53:16] <TravisD> paulweb515: This sounds juicy! What did they do?
[19:53:55] <ulfdoz> paulweb515: I do not think it is a good idea to break with apache, and sorry, that happened under oracle.
[19:54:15] <paulweb515> They developed language changes in Project Coin, GPLed
[19:54:48] <paulweb515> JDT can work from the JSR spec, but they didn't create a spec and then work out the reference implentation
[19:55:18] <paulweb515> JDT can't work from GPLed code, and Sun in effect "assembled" the JSR after most of the work had been done in a place the Eclipse Foundation couldn't look
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[19:55:37] <paulweb515> Say you want netbeans to succeed and you want to cripple a competing IDE ... that's one way to do it :-)
[19:57:01] <jebblue> i wasn't aware of all that or not from that perspective thanks Paul
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[19:57:30] <paulweb515> The EF had to go yell at them to get access to some documents, and that worked for a little bit ... but anyway, let's just say the Sun did not follow their own process for the Java 7 spec, and that caused us all sorts of delays
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[19:58:35] <paulweb515> ulfdoz: all that to say, Sun was just as bad as Oracle, and while I understand and respect the Jenkins decision to fork (I personally feel they were mistreated) Oracle has been a decent (non-bullying) opensource contributor to the Eclipse FOundation
[19:58:41] <ulfdoz> ACK, that is not the nice way, however, I expect that to become worse, after all sorts of authorities, devs and drivers have been removed by oracle.
[19:59:05] <paulweb515> bbaib
[19:59:43] <ulfdoz> paulweb515: Imho, you can't say non-bullying open source contributor, to a company that sues google for dalvik.
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[20:04:23] <ulfdoz> however, what I didn't understand all these years: Why can't the tck be licensed to apache or made open source.
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[20:06:26] <rcjsuen> they have a business reason for that i suppose
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[20:12:48] <ulfdoz> rcjsuen: The only reason I can imagin is, that the TCK is implemented as glassfish v3 is. Imho it should never have gotten an approval, because CDI is just broken.
[20:13:52] <monk13> hello all, i was curious... when you select something in the Navigator or Package Explorer, is there a way to just Search that folder in Eclipse? i think i thought "Selected Resources" would work but i guess thats something else.
[20:14:50] <rcjsuen> monk13: that works for me anyway
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[20:19:13] <jim> how do I see line numbers in .java and .xml files?
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[20:20:24] <jebblue> jim Windows | Preferences | General | Text Editors, hang on let me check my laptop
[20:20:44] <jim> I'll get that far and explore some
[20:21:05] <jebblue> jim yeah Editors then Text Editors
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[20:23:26] <jim> got it thanks :)
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[20:25:19] <jebblue> jim np also I'd recommend checking Web Browser settings and Workspace, I always turn on Refresh Automatically and under the top General level the Show Heap Status is handy
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[20:29:27] <rcjsuen> you can also just right-click on the left margin of the text editor and turn it on there
[20:29:57] <erik__> Hi, I hope that someone might be able to help out. I cannot find any hints from googling so far... I have trouble starting Eclipse on Ubuntu 11.4 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu. I get a run time error with something like Illegal field name "SERVICE_FAC ORY_EXCEPTION" (org.eclipse.osgi) the full log is here: http://pastebin.info/2028
[20:31:13] <rcjsuen> your build is over a year old, try a newer build
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[20:32:28] <erik__> rcjsuen: this is the one that ships with Ubuntu 11.4, I'd expect it to be newer.... I already purged and re-installed it. Oh well, I'll download a binary release.
[20:32:43] <rcjsuen> erik__: If you got it with your 11.4 release, check with #eclipse-linux.
[20:33:11] <rcjsuen> your build is 2010 -> eclipse.buildId=M20100211-1343
[20:33:22] <rcjsuen> and just because you have a newer distro doesnt' mean _all_ its software is up-to-date :)
[20:34:01] <rcjsuen> A lot of work goes into testing software so it would be wise to not assume everything in a newly released distro is the latest&greatest
[20:34:04] <erik__> yes, sadly it's pretty outdated
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[20:34:36] <erik__> But I understand that some level of stability can also be good. Thanks rcjsuen.
[20:34:52] <rcjsuen> Indeed. It is unfortunate that it won't even start. You should most certainly file a bug.
[20:34:57] <rcjsuen> Even if it's out-dated it should start I think :)
[20:35:26] <erik__> rcjsuen: Yes, working at all does come in use sometimes.
[20:35:49] <jebblue> rcjsuen is right even when I worked at blue I did most of my stuff on an Ubuntu distribution and still do today - I always use Eclipse from the Eclipse site and use its mechanism to keep it updated I'm on Ubuntu 11.04 now
[20:35:52] <erik__> rcjsuen: although the splash screen does work VERY well ;)
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[20:38:06] <jebblue> erik__ also I recommend turnign off the new overlay scroll bar - I'm not sure yet but I think it might be causing an Eclipse crash, I turned it off yesterday and today not one crash so far, I was seeing them every 1 to 2 hours before ... "sudo aptitude remove overlay-scrollbar liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0" exit Eclipse and restart it maybe even log out and back in to be sure
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[20:39:55] <erik__> jebblue: good to know that the eclipse.org version  works well on 11.4. I don't have overlay-scollbar installed, thanks for the hint though.
[20:41:02] <jebblue> erik__ np also for one Ubuntu version in the past due to a GTK bug we had to use "export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1" in a shell before starting Eclipse - make sure you don't have that on it will interfere with Eclipse in 11.04 and you don't need it anyway
[20:42:15] <erik__> I'm going to try a reboot. I cannot even use ktorrent to download eclipse... perhaps I updated too much stuff without ever rebooting.
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[20:45:33] <erik__> eclipse works again :) reboot fixed it. Makes me think of a decade ago when I used windows a lot...
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[20:47:15] <jebblue> erik__ hmm still as rcjquen recommended using the version from Eclipse.org is almost always the best option and just use its
[20:47:25] <jebblue> Update mechanism
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[20:58:01] <fisix> if i've defined a function thisPopup() somewhere, how do i find where i actually use it in a large/multiple file project
[20:58:42] <abhishek_> fisix: grep -ir "thisPopup()" .
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[20:59:00] <ronr_> fisix: be on the function and then ctrl+shift+g
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[21:12:00] <fisix>  if i've defined a function thisPopup() somewhere, how do i find where i actually use it in a large/multiple file project?
[21:12:12] <ronr_> fisix: be on the function and then ctrl+shift+g
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[21:55:11] <KristopherWindso> i tried installing pdt (not all-in-one) from the Galileo update site (in eclipse) but got errors: An error occurred while collecting items to be installed
[21:55:11] <KristopherWindso>   session context was:(profile=PlatformProfile, phase=org.eclipse.equinox.internal.provisional.p2.engine.phases.Collect, operand=, action=).
[21:55:11] <KristopherWindso>   Unable to read repository at http://download.eclipse.org/releases/galileo/201002260900/aggregate/plugins/org.eclipse.emf.common_2.5.0.v200906151043.jar.pack.gz.
[21:55:11] <KristopherWindso>   The server download.eclipse.org failed to respond
[21:55:50] <KristopherWindso> any help would be nice
[21:57:21] <jerboaa> Hi, here is a scenario: I hava a plug-in and a fragment hosted on that plug-in. Both, the plug-in and the fragment contribute preferences. As soon as fragment code is executed (except for the pref-initializer), all preferences of the host plug-in are hosed. Thoughts?
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[21:58:37] <jerboaa> Both, fragment and plug-in use the pref-store of the plug-in. Is there anything I should be aware of?
[22:00:47] <kaje> I'd like to have the window title change based on the currently active editor in my RCP (just like eclipse does). What's the best way to do that? Should I set the title in a part listener?
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[22:16:56] <Cluber> I have Eclipse Helios installed on my system for Java, I was wondering how I would go about using eclipse for c++? I have seen there is a Eclipse CDT download, but would I have to install that from scratch or is there some kind of 'add on' for my current Java eclipse? thanks.
[22:17:25] <nbf> Help->Install New Software
[22:17:30] <nbf> and go to the helios update site
[22:17:41] <nbf> in the languages group you'll find CDT
[22:17:49] <nbf> which is the C++ Development Tools
[22:17:55] <nbf> install it and reboot and you'll be g2g
[22:18:09] <Cluber> nbf: cheers! just what i was looking for :)
[22:18:23] <Cluber> i thought there would be something like this
[22:18:56] <Cluber> it says 'type or select a site'
[22:19:24] <Cluber> it's asking for a url for the location
[22:20:02] <jebblue> click All Available Sites until you are more familiar with what you're looking for
[22:20:30] <Cluber> yeah nothing is coming up though
[22:20:44] <Cluber> there are no categorized items
[22:21:32] <jebblue> Cluber click the drop down arrow and select All Available sites
[22:21:43] <Cluber> yeah i have jebblue
[22:22:12] <jebblue> Cluber ok does it say Pending?
[22:22:21] <Cluber> nothing, but i just put in the url http://download.eclipse.org/tools/cdt/releases/helios
[22:22:24] <Cluber> under add
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[22:22:30] <Cluber> and now i have 2 options
[22:22:59] <jebblue> Cluber cool there u go
[22:24:10] <Cluber> now i am getting this error when trying to install. http://pastie.org/private/sejsfwp3f6fv162pi9w
[22:24:47] <nitind> Cluber: The regular Helios site should work fine for that.
[22:25:21] <Cluber> nitind: what do you mean by the regular Helios site?
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[22:25:52] <ronr_> update site
[22:25:54] <Cluber> just download manually?
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[22:26:46] <nbf> Cluber: you don't need the SDK
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[22:26:56] <nbf> the SDK is for developing things for CDT
[22:26:58] <nbf> not using CDT
[22:27:02] <Cluber> ahh ok
[22:27:59] <Cluber> So I need "C/C++ Development Tools" ?
[22:28:10] <ronr_> yup
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[22:29:49] <Cluber> getting this error http://goo.gl/Y4iCG
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[22:30:41] <ronr_> which update site?
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[22:31:03] <Cluber> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/cdt/releases/helios
[22:32:11] <ronr_> try the regular Helios update site instead.
[22:32:31] <Cluber> what do you mean regular? eclipse.org isnt the regular?
[22:33:22] <nitind> The Helios Update Site itself, http://download.eclipse.org/releases/helios/, not just the CDT-specific one.
[22:34:13] <Cluber> ah kay thanks, trying that now.
[22:34:23] <Cluber> we are pending away
[22:34:37] <jebblue> lol
[22:34:55] <Cluber> hes just feteching some children
[22:34:59] <Cluber> apparently
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[22:35:58] <Cluber> okay installing, thanks guys!
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[22:49:08] <djMax> I've installed the Jetty plugin into eclipse, is this supposed to manifest itself somewhere? Not sure how to create a Jetty based web server after having installed that.
[22:49:49] <ronr_> have you checked the wizards available now?
[22:50:10] <nbf> does it integrate with wst? if so, do you have wst installed?
[22:51:24] <djMax> Don't see any wizards, and I don't think I have wst.
[22:51:52] <ronr_> hmm, you may want to install wst if you want to do web development.
[22:51:55] <djMax> I'm trying to build an embedded Jetty server just because it seems simplest, but not sure how to properly reference the jars
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[22:52:52] <ronr_> well, if you want to build an embedded Jetty server, then a jetty eclipse plugin is not the answer, probably.
[22:53:02] <ronr_> it needs to be part of your project.
[22:54:49] <djMax> ok, thx, that helps.
[22:55:27] <ronr_> if you're unfamiliar with web development in Java, I think that installing WST on eclipse is the first step.
[22:56:34] <djMax> I installed "WTP" but apparently that's not "WST"
[22:57:31] <ronr_> well, I may have mistyped :)
[22:57:58] <djMax> No, just that searching for WST yields "WTP" repo on google, and in that I know see like 50 WST related options
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[22:58:56] <ronr_> http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/
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[22:59:24] <djMax> so just check everything that says WST?
[23:01:57] <nitind> Depends.  What exactly are you trying to get?
[23:02:06] <djMax> build a web service
[23:02:12] <djMax> REST, simple.
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[23:03:39] <nitind> Search for web service in the filter box, then.
[23:04:32] <djMax> yeah, that basically leaves 49.
[23:04:58] <djMax> whatever, I'll just add jetty and jersey jars myself. I think I expect too much of Java at this point.
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[23:05:45] <nitind> "49"?
[23:06:01] <djMax> Just meant "still leaves a lot of packages available for install"
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[23:06:20] <djMax> I'd rather not cruft up my eclipse with crap I don't need, but no real way of knowing what I do and don't from the docs.
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[23:06:41] <ronr_> djMax: Use the Helios update site. Under the Web, XML, and Java EE Development pick Eclipse Web Developer Tools. That's it.
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[23:08:01] <nitind> WST Web Services UI would be a good one.
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[23:10:41] <nitind> Eclipse Web Developer Tools doesn't include web services, just editors, project types and server launching.
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[23:16:26] <nitind> djMax: You're filtering to just the most recent version, right?
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[23:42:00] <dwarder> is it possible to save the list of opened files?
[23:42:39] <nitind> To what purpose?
[23:44:14] <Seta00> jebblue, that's what branches are for
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[23:46:40] <dwarder> nitind: i've debugged the whole application and i want to save the list of files that were used during this run
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[23:49:33] <ronr_> that's a unique request.
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[23:59:26] <rcjsuen> dwarder: No, you can't. Perhaps youshould use Mylyn





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