[00:05:43] <rcjsuen> depends on how your two bundles' manifest files are setup
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[00:08:30] <uncreative> paulweb515: btw - tried the indigo, still have the same problem :p
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[00:20:40] <nitind> Already ruled out whether the class is not public, right?
[00:21:03] <nitind> (because even if they have the same package name, that doesn't work across bundles)
[00:25:45] <linxeh> because a package in current java is defined as the packagename plus the classloader
[00:25:48] <linxeh> not just the package name
[00:26:44] <nitind> So michaely, anything useful?
[00:26:46] <michaely> linxeh: yes the class is public as well as all of it's methods
[00:27:03] <michaely> now im having an issue where it cant find my activator
[00:27:14] <michaely> same error
[00:27:24] <nitind> That has to be public as well, with a public zero-argument constructor.
[00:27:37] <nitind> If you need an activator at all.
[00:27:45] <michaely> it is it is just a simple activator that extends Bundle activator
[00:28:15] <nitind> If it's not *doing* anything, just don't have one.
[00:28:27] <michaely> well it is doing something
[00:28:32] <michaely> just something simple
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[00:28:38] <michaely> so it does need to be activated
[00:28:45] <linxeh> I hate the fact the Eclipse wizards default to having activators
[00:28:49] <linxeh> we've got about 400 useless ones
[00:28:52] * linxeh grrs
[00:28:53] <michaely> lol
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[00:29:13] <michaely>  just dont understand why it can see my activator on the classpath
[00:29:18] <linxeh> 450k semicolon codebase, 6k classes I guess
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[00:29:33] <eyu100> I'm having a problem with Spring IDE on Eclipse.
[00:29:35] <nitind> michaely: it's public with a zero-argument constructor?
[00:29:47] <nitind> michaely: What's the error message?
[00:29:49] <eyu100> I can install the IDE fine, but the Spring classes don't seem to be installed.
[00:30:01] <michaely> no errors are being shown in eclipse i.e. all classes are sesolving via my manifest dependencies its just when i launch in my osgi runtime in eclipse
[00:30:01] <eyu100> which makes the plugin kind of useless
[00:30:03] <michaely> 1 sec
[00:30:06] <nitind> eyu100: You read somewhere that installing the IDE installs the spring classes?
[00:30:07] <michaely> ill pastbin it
[00:31:19] <eyu100> no I didn't
[00:31:23] <eyu100> so I'm assuming it didn't
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[00:31:47] <eyu100> but now I don't know how to install the spring classes and get eclipse to see it
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[00:32:48] <michaely> http://pastebin.com/1MkhQAAv
[00:32:57] <michaely> sry took so long eclipse crashed on me
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[00:33:12] <michaely> let me know if you want to see my maifest files as well
[00:33:18] <nitind> eyu100: No doc on how to use it?
[00:34:08] <nitind> michaely: probably will, and maybe the skeleton of the activator.
[00:34:32] <michaely> nitind: ok
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[00:35:43] <michaely> nitind: http://pastebin.com/iKDTAsQt
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[00:36:43] <michaely> nitind: so let me repharse my "simple plugin" statement. What im tring to do with this package is create a LogBack implementation that hooks into the osgi log service
[00:37:03] <nitind> michaely: I think you have to export the package containing the Activator for the framework to actually work with it.
[00:37:32] <michaely> then why does eclipse alow you to run osgi packages from projects?
[00:37:43] <michaely> also other packages have worked in the past in the same way
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[00:38:24] <michaely> nitnd: i found this http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/mv/msg/28084/#msg_91202 but none of the sugestions worl
[00:38:28] <michaely> work*
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[00:38:54] <nitind> allow you to what?
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[00:39:40] <michaely> so i have my bundles as projects in the eclipse workbentch all I do is create an osgi runtime configuration and tell it to run the projects.
[00:40:10] <nitind> But does anything try to start that bundle then?
[00:40:48] <michaely> yes when the osgi run configuration is executed it installs and runs all selected plugins automatically\
[00:41:19] <michaely> or you can just go into the manifest editor and select run in framework
[00:43:04] <michaely> nitind: so i just created a new plugin project that just outputs to stdout in the activators start method and it worked just fine
[00:43:19] <nitind> Workspace is fully built?
[00:43:45] <nitind> Oh hey, look at that, your Bundle-ClassPath doesn't include ".".
[00:43:51] <michaely> nitnd: It tried a clean rebuild several times the -clean comand and i rebuilt the classpath as well
[00:45:24] <michaely> hmmm
[00:45:38] <michaely> let me try modifying that
[00:47:14] <michaely> should it include .?
[00:47:23] <michaely> my other package that i made does not have it
[00:47:27] <nitind> Or where ever it is that your build.properties says the output of the compiled sources should be.
[00:47:39] <nitind> It defaults to that, I think, when not present.
[00:48:18] <michaely> nitnd: ok thanks for the help but i gotta run ill try some stuff out.
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[03:39:12] <rcjsuen> Can't say I've ever seen a project use a system like that
[03:39:46] <qwp> rcjsuen: http://stackoverflow.com/
[03:39:58] <rcjsuen> i'm familiar with stack overflow
[03:40:07] <qwp> rcjsuen: nobody will sign up just to report a bug, its f*cking annoying
[03:40:09] <rcjsuen> I mean I'm not familiar with open source projects that lets ppl report bugs without an account
[03:40:16] <qwp> ok ic
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[04:15:05] <mattyf> anyone know how I can run an external tool when saving a file?
[04:15:44] <mattyf> any file, but possibly just *.js files if I can
[04:19:30] <qwp> nitind: no you can freely post and answer by pressing a button
[04:19:46] <qwp> nitind: thats why it is so successful
[04:20:01] <qwp> well its major part of it
[04:20:13] <nitind> No signing in by even OpenID?
[04:22:22] <nitind> And why the eff do people post there instead of the web forum we already provide?
[04:22:41] <qwp> nitind: not at all. optional if yuo want to
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[04:23:02] <k0nichiwa> what would be a good plugin to add support for javascript and html editing
[04:23:25] <nitind> k0nichiwa: Have you checked the Helios Update Site for those?
[04:23:38] <nitind> qwp: Doesn't that invite spam of all sorts?
[04:23:53] <qwp> nitind: no it works fine
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[04:24:25] <qwp> nitind: you just have to leave an email, you can use a real one or crap if you dont care about notifications or something
[04:24:41] <qwp> nitind: let me ask you a qustion, do you have to sign up for your web forum?
[04:24:47] <k0nichiwa> im adding support for javascript and php languages
[04:24:53] <k0nichiwa> that will probably give me an html editor
[04:25:07] <nitind> qwp: Bugzilla ID, I suppose.  Do they expect committers to patrol SO?
[04:25:16] <nitind> k0nichiwa: It will.
[04:25:20] <qwp> nitind: see?
[04:26:02] <k0nichiwa> not sure how it will interact with android development
[04:26:12] <k0nichiwa> ill soon find out =)
[04:26:27] <qwp> nitind: yes SO is kinda similar to reddit, users vote up and down and dont care about spam so it never hits the consciousness threshold
[04:26:41] <nitind> k0nichiwa: Should be compatible.  The XML support that gets pulled in is the same that the Android tools build on.
[04:27:02] <k0nichiwa> wow much nicer
[04:28:01] <qwp> nitind: and people earn reputation points for giving good answers (or filing cool bugs?) it is like a game thats why it works
[04:28:21] <qwp> there is no centralized structure rigidly inflicted on players
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[04:28:44] <qwp> hence freedom prevails and guarantees a constant flow of players and fun
[04:28:56] <qwp> unlike bugzilla
[04:29:14] <qwp> :D
[04:29:29] <nitind> If you want to play the game, you have to follow the rules.
[04:30:11] <qwp> nitind: no i dont think so. if you want bug reports than you have to attract players
[04:31:10] <qwp> at least dont scare them away with undescribably annoying sign up registration requirements
[04:31:19] <qwp> this isnt 1990
[04:31:38] <nitind> Seeing as how I signed up half that time ago, what *are* the signup requirements?
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[04:31:55] <DynV> I've just been ignoring the spell checker as my main language isn't English but now it's interfering so I need to either turn it off or change it appropriately, I'd prefer the later but only if it's not too complicated. So I've been to Windows > Preferences > General > Editors > Text editors > Spelling and left section Dictionaries I've left the drop-down to English as my language isn't...
[04:31:57] <DynV> ...listed then clicked browse of User defined dictionary and pointed it to the OOo dictionary http://bit.ly/jBKaku that the top sample is https://pzt.me/39ar then clicked the Preferences windows Apply but all my language words are still marked as incorect. Thank you kindly for your help.
[04:32:02] <nitind> And a bug report's more of a back-and-forth exchange.  A working email address is a necessity.
[04:32:37] <qwp> nitind: its a mentel thing, 21st century people inwardly squirm even at the thought of filling registration forms
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[04:32:54] <qwp> although i could have registered by now i prefer to open your eyes
[04:33:11] <nitind> DynV: What format is the dictionary you're trying to use?
[04:33:18] <qwp> give a man a fish etc
[04:33:52] <rcjsuen> well, speaking to random people on IRC isn't going to change the system :) you'll have to take it up with the Eclipse Foundation
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[04:34:04] <nitind> qwp: Well, like I said, it's a question of being able to have a dialogue.  Not everyone properly gives us enough to work with when they open a bug.  It's rare to find someone even bothering to tell us what release they were using.
[04:34:35] <qwp> rcjsuen doesnt realize that this isnt about me, its about bugzilla
[04:35:16] <qwp> nitind: ok i see, just let people press the "send" button without requiring them to open an accound and possibly confirm the email and crap like that
[04:35:19] <nitind> DynV: Because it's looking for one word, and just that one word, on each line.
[04:35:27] <qwp> nitind: you can still enforce properly filled forms
[04:36:14] <nitind> qwp: That was just an example.  If I require a summary and version I can still get one along the lines of "X doesn't work" without much clarification.
[04:36:28] <DynV> nitind: each line begin with a word ; there's no way to have the rest ignored by applying some king of regex ?
[04:36:28] <nitind> Happens all the time here, after all.
[04:37:04] <qwp> still
[04:37:05] <nitind> DynV: I don't know the specifics, but running it through "cut" with the right parameters could give you a file that *would* work.
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[04:38:03] <DynV> nitind: are there Eclipse language dic (for dictionary) files?
[04:38:54] <nitind> DynV: Just the ones it comes with.  They're just wordlists.
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[04:39:37] <DynV> nitind: ok I'll regex the file the, thanks.
[04:39:53] <echosystm> are any of the eclipse vim plugins worth using?
[04:40:05] <echosystm> there seems to be quite a number of them
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[05:39:14] <DynV> nitind: I finally made a only-a-word-and-no-space per line out of the dic I mentioned previously then clicked Apply as I did before but the words that are spelled correctly are still marked as not. :|
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[05:45:47] <DynV> nitind: OH! I closed then reoppend the file and it's now skipping /some/ words marked incorrectly as faulty, it seem it doesn't consider plural / gender (yeah my language got a stupid gender for all nouns) / tense
[05:45:52] <DynV> :(
[05:46:27] <DynV> about a 1/3 fall in that crack
[05:47:44] <DynV> I think I will do a lot of "add X to the dictionary"
[05:47:47] * DynV shrug
[05:47:57] <DynV> better than so spell checking
[05:48:45] <nitind> Yes, it doesn't attempt to do plurals or genders--some languages don't have the latter at all.
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[05:50:29] <DynV> nitind: gendering nouns is pretty stupid! ahhh the monarchy and the use of asservition trough uselessly complicated things
[05:50:56] <DynV> haha peasant! learn to speak properly.
[05:54:16] <nitind> How rare, I don't know the meaning of asservition.
[05:54:20] <nitind> Cool.
[05:55:08] <nitind> Uh, is that English?
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[05:56:52] <nbf> yeah it's cromulent
[06:03:19] <k0nichiwa> does eclipse provide code completion for javascript?
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[06:08:21] <nitind> If you're working in a JavaScript project with a file somewhere on its Include Path and using the JavaScript Editor, yes.
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[08:55:47] <coconutz> there is refactor / find if the function used in the project in eclipse??
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[08:59:30] <themachine> how do I set up eclipse to autcomplete full classes for me?
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[09:02:24] <k0nichiwa> is there an eclipse hot key to move to the next code completion argument in a method call ?
[09:02:43] <k0nichiwa> i use code completion to get the method, but then i dont know how to fill in the arguments one after anotehr with assistnace
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[10:03:24] <DynV> Earlier I modifier a dictionary file to have it fit the Eclipse format (one word per line) and noticed a good portion of words were marked as incorrect although they were correct so I've added them to the dictionary by right-click on them. I've just verified that file and it wasn't modified since it was added so I'm wondering there those addition go so I may back them up. Thank you kindly.
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[10:08:17] <jink> DynV: Preferences -> General -> Editors -> Text editors -> Spelling -> User defined dictionary -> Browse...
[10:16:48] <futilius> does anyone know why installing new software is in the help menu?
[10:17:43] <ronr_> damn, I envy you.
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[10:46:26] <DynV> jink: it was the file which I mentioned wasn't modified since I did exactly what you've mentioned. Since them I added term to the dictionary through the text editor so logically those changes are stored somewhere else.
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[11:00:59] <jink> DynV: Maybe it's cached.  Do you see the changes after you quit Eclipse?
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[11:21:31] <DynV> jink: I exited, waited a bit then saw it hasn't been modified for hours.
[11:21:50] <jink> O_o
[11:21:56] <jink> Then I clearly don't know. ;)
[11:38:18] <DynV> jink: thanks anyway :)
[11:38:23] <jink> Np. :)
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[12:23:05] <woozly|job> how to run auto-indent for code?
[12:24:35] <ronr_> ctrl+I
[12:25:26] <woozly|job> for pydev it doesn't work :(
[12:26:42] <ronr_> tap ctrl+shift+L twice. then, in the filter box, type 'indent' and see what comes up under the pydev editor.
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[12:33:28] <ronr_> woozly|job: any luck?
[12:33:47] <woozly|job> I found some Code Format, but It doesn't format my code :( so strange
[12:36:59] <ronr_> any chance you can take a screenshot if your eclipse and post it? ~image
[12:37:00] <Arbalest> Please upload your screenshots online and then paste the link back to the channel - http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add - http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ - http://imagebin.ca/upload.php - http://imageshack.us/
[12:37:54] <nitind> woozly|job: Are you editing a file in a Python project?
[12:39:58] <woozly|job> nitind, yes
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[13:20:09] <acron17> hi there! in my eclipse i added a svn repository location which i can browse. but when i try to "share a project" into it i get a 403 forbidden. any ides?
[13:20:26] <acron17> ideas?
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[13:23:20] <psst> acron17: 403 sounds like an HTTP error code.  Are you connecting over HTTP or HTTPS?
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[13:27:10] <hermanus> When I put my workspace on a mounted SSH filesystem, I get this error: could not save master table to file ... ; Is this due to some limitation in ssh? What would be the best server to use for working with a remote workspace? nfs?
[13:27:44] <acron17> well seems to be a problem of the directories on the svn server....
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[13:30:44] <nitind> hermanus: Your workspace should always, *always* be on a local disk.
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[13:33:25] <hermanus> nitind, hmm, ok, thanks. It's just that I'd like to have an easy way to sync workspaces with my laptop. Otherwise I have to remember on which computer I last edited a certain workspace, that's not a very efficient way of working.
[13:34:01] <hermanus> a certain project i mean
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[13:35:45] <ksinkar> how do i open an html file for for editing in eclipse
[13:35:47] <ksinkar> ?
[13:35:56] <ksinkar> it opens in a browserf
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[13:48:33] <paulweb515> ksinkar: you need to have at least some parts of Webtools installed (WTP)
[13:49:04] <ksinkar> paulweb515: i have installed aptana
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[13:49:44] <paulweb515> ksinkar: is your .html page in a project in your ecilpse workspace?
[13:50:12] <ksinkar> paulweb515: no
[13:50:29] <paulweb515> ksinkar: then it will always use the default editor, which is a web browser
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[13:56:08] <psst> In Helios, how do I make an existing project into a Java project?
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[13:56:51] <rcjsuen> Same way you've done it in previous versions of Eclipse.
[13:56:55] <nitind> psst: Any option available to you on the project's Configure context menu?
[13:59:27] <psst> nitind: Yes, but not Java.  Good question though: it was *already* a Java project but simply had no source folders configured.  Thanks
[13:59:37] <psst> nitind: why always a local disk?
[14:00:04] <rcjsuen> why what a local disk
[14:00:22] <psst> "nitind: hermanus: Your workspace should always, *always* be on a local disk."
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[14:03:50] <rcjsuen> k0nichiwa: Use tab?
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[14:04:47] <rcjsuen> futilius: Probably because other programs put it there too. I believe the last time this came up other programs mentioned were OO.o and Firefox.
[14:04:54] <paulweb515> psst: core.resources (the workspace plugin) does some caching, and uses some native filesystem fragments (if available) to optimize some functionality.  It also depends on things like filestamps and accesses local file attributes
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[14:05:43] <paulweb515> psst: a workspace on a remote mount can cause slowness.  On NFS I rarely notice it, unless I have a lot of projects in my workspace
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[14:06:34] <paulweb515> psst: on Samba it is far more noticable.  On top of that, if the remote system gets its system clock out of whack, you can get into some *very* unpleasant workspace refresh scenarios
[14:07:45] <paulweb515> psst: but even more than that ... the workspace was designed to be local.  it's rarely transferrable *to* another machine, so why keep it on a network mount
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[14:09:02] <Briareos1> I've been looking for hours now on how to simply provide certain sources in order to have the javadoc & F3 available - isn't there a way to just point to a folder and have everything there included?
[14:09:49] <rcjsuen> ah yes here we go ~276636
[14:09:51] <Arbalest> Bug 276636 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=276636 - Platform / UI / 3.4 - PC / All - RESOLVED / WONTFIX / normal / - Assignee: platform-ui-triaged - [IDE] Move "Software Updates" to "Edit"
[14:10:07] <rcjsuen> I think you need to associate each jar one by one.
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[14:10:27] <hermanus> paulweb515, so you'd recommend NFS if one does want to use a remote mount for some reason? Thanks for your comprehensive answer, an automatic sync of just the source files would be a better idea then.
[14:11:45] <Briareos1> rcjsuen: so far I've been able to add folders one by one via Project > Properties > Java Build Path > Sources - but that don't even support recursive inclusion of folders it seems .. (?)
[14:12:08] <paulweb515> hermanus: NFS is amonst the better options, but it's still a remote mount ... local disk space is the best option
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[14:12:34] <paulweb515> hermanus: do you mean syncing source like working on PHP or HTML (which lives on a remote server)?
[14:14:38] <hermanus> paulweb515, yes, sync them to a webserver from the PC last used, then switch computers, sync and refresh workspace, continue working. I guess that would be the safest way of working while remaining mobile.
[14:15:29] <rcjsuen> Briareos1: I've not used that feature much. What do you mean by recursion? Wouldn't each jar just map to one folder?
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[14:16:54] <Briareos1> rcjsuen: the register which worked for me only read the sources from the folder I provided - not it's subfolders. so in my case - joda-time - I would have to include one folder for org.joda.time, another folder for  org.joda.time.base, another for ...
[14:17:06] <toki> what does "Build error" in Eclpise mean ?
[14:17:12] <Briareos1> I suspect I am on the wrong path - that's why I am here now :)
[14:17:48] <rcjsuen> toki: That's a vague error message. Without more context no one can help you.
[14:18:13] <hermanus> paulweb515, what I meant with source files is all files (php/js/html) without the metadata.
[14:18:21] <rcjsuen> Briareos1: So what folder did you feed it
[14:18:49] <Briareos1> rcjsuen: /usr/local/src/joda-time-1.6.2-src/src/main/java/org/joda/time
[14:19:02] <rcjsuen> you want /usr/local/src/joda-time-1.6.2-src/src/main/java I think
[14:19:11] <Briareos1> this gives me JavaDoc & F3 for the Classes which reside there ..
[14:20:01] <paulweb515> hermanus: I know in a lot of cases, people use something like RSE to sync files between their local workspace and the remote server directories.
[14:20:23] <Briareos1> rcjsuen: ah that looks good now. funny it refused to accept /usr/local/src/joda-time-1.6.2-src/src/main/java/org/joda
[14:20:55] <rcjsuen> Briareos1: Well, it's "good" in a way that it refused because that wouldn't be right.
[14:21:29] <Briareos1> rcjsuen: is there a way to provide everything e.g. /usr/local/src/ altogether (with everything in there) to _all_ projects (instead of configuring all sources for each and every project i start)?
[14:21:57] <hermanus> paulweb515, thanks!! that seems like a good option for me
[14:22:30] <rcjsuen> probably by setting a classpath variable and/or user library in the pref, but I've never used that feature
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[14:27:29] <Briareos1> rcjsuen: cool. user library worked. thanks a ton for your hints!
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[15:38:29] <zef88> Hello, I'm using eclipse-pdt and was wondering where could I get some sort of plugin to do automatic ftp file syncing. I've read aptana plugin could help but I've also heard that it makes eclipse very unstable. Any suggestions?
[15:38:42] <nitind> ~rse
[15:38:45] <nitind> ~tm
[15:38:46] <Arbalest> Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/tm/
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[15:39:14] <nitind> zef88: If you're using the PHP Helios Package, check the Remote System Explorer perspective.
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[15:40:59] <rcjsuen> ~add rse Check out the Remot eSystem Explorer from the Target Management project at Eclipse.org - http://www.eclipse.org/tm/
[15:40:59] <Arbalest> The new keyword "rse" has been stored. In the future, you can ask me about "rse" and I will respond.
[15:41:05] <rcjsuen> ~set rse Check out the Remote System Explorer from the Target Management project at Eclipse.org - http://www.eclipse.org/tm/
[15:41:05] <Arbalest> The keyword "rse" has been updated with the new reply in my database.
[15:41:33] <zef88> thanks
[15:41:34] <ronr_> oh.. so it *is* possible to set new factoids.
[15:43:02] <zef88> I'm using Helios, and I had already RSE perspective, however, the only connection type listed is "Linux", which is not ftp. I'm not sure if there is anything else I should install to get ftp support that allows me to enter some credentials and server info.
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[15:49:46] <Robbster> hi all, is there anyone here who has created a BIRT report from an URL XML source?
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[15:51:13] <nitind> zef88: You can get someone's attention usually by mentioning their name, like this.  There's rarely a need to privmsg someone.  You might try Install New Software to see if there's an FTP connection method offered.
[15:51:15] <zef88> Thanks, I figured out how to use FTP with TM,
[15:51:40] <zef88> nitind: Figured it out now, thanks a bunch
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[15:52:46] <Robbster> unfortunately it hangs everytime I try to access the xml source even though the url is valid and the ping succeeds...
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[15:56:31] <Robbster> This is fairly simple functionality, so I expect that there is something that I'm not doing right, but I have no idea what that could be...
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[17:37:48] <rps_> Is there any way to hide scrollbars in eclipse (GTK+)?
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[17:50:51] <rcjsuen> rps_: Might be possible using your gtkrc file I guess
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[19:22:02] <koskoz> Hi
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[19:22:36] <koskoz> I'm using the format tools to format correctly a css file, but I'd like that it returns to line too when the declaration of elements is too long
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[19:24:17] <koskoz> for example, these selectors: form.formtastic, form.formtastic ul, form.formtastic ol, form.formtastic li, form.formtastic fieldset, form.formtastic legend, form.formtastic input, form.formtastic textarea, form.formtastic select, form.formtastic p {
[19:24:29] <koskoz> it's all on the same line and it's way too long
[19:24:58] <ronr_> did you check the formatter settings?
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[19:30:23] <michaely> Can anyone suggest a good osgi compatible log service?
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[19:34:02] <koskoz> ronr_,  yeah, and I didn't find anything
[19:34:30] <koskoz> ronr_: I've checked in the apatana editor's options too (I'm using this plugin), and nothing related neither
[19:35:06] <ronr_> koskoz: the Line Width option under Window->Preferences->CSS Files->Editor is no help?
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[19:35:42] <nitind> Aptana might have different preferences.
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[19:36:32] <rcjsuen> michaely: OSGi already has a LogService, no?
[19:36:33] <koskoz> ronr_, I don't have the "CSS Files" item under Preferences
[19:36:51] <ronr_> right. Aptana might be evil.
[19:37:58] <nitind> Different doesn't mean the same thing as evil.
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[19:40:58] <ronr_> nitind: right, but I like using the word evil.
[19:41:04] <ronr_> besides, I said might.
[19:41:19] <nitind> ok, there's always the possibility.
[19:43:30] <rcjsuen> after reading Lord of the Flies, it's hard to argue we might not all be inherently evil
[19:47:30] <Dessimat0r> I'm lord of the moths in this bedroom
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[19:47:41] <Dessimat0r> can't work out where they're coming from
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[19:49:53] <rcjsuen> lol
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[19:52:03] <nbf> evil is good
[19:52:12] <nbf> things I learned playing Dungeon Keeper
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[19:52:27] <ronr_> ah, so you're 80. nice :)
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[19:53:17] <rcjsuen> So Google's unofficial motto is actually do no good.
[19:53:19] <rcjsuen> makes sense
[19:54:05] <ronr_> heh
[19:56:39] <Dessimat0r> I was thinking that you could do a remote version of SWT that worked on Android btw :)
[19:56:52] <Dessimat0r> and then you can have Eclipse running remotely with an Android view
[19:57:06] <Dessimat0r> on a server or something
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[19:57:25] <ronr_> for a minute there I thought you wanted eclipse to run on android. *shudder*
[19:57:27] <Dessimat0r> there was some effort done into a remote version of SWT ;)
[19:57:35] <Dessimat0r> nah, that'd be too intesive
[19:57:42] <Dessimat0r> but running Eclipse 1.0 might work
[19:58:12] <ronr_> hmm... I need to decide which movie to watch.
[19:59:59] <paulweb515> Dessimat0r: you want Orion :-)  that's eclipse running on a server plus some HTML5 stuff
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[20:03:00] <Dessimat0r> sounds good :)
[20:03:04] <Dessimat0r> that'd work on iOS as well
[20:03:06] <Dessimat0r> is it fast?
[20:03:51] <paulweb515> Dessimat0r: actually, the Orion JS editor is very fast and scalable
[20:04:05] <paulweb515> Dessimat0r: that's one of the things they focused on
[20:04:41] <paulweb515> Dessimat0r: the online workspace appears to interact with git ... and everybody loves git these days !!!
[20:04:42] * paulweb515 snickers
[20:04:43] <Dessimat0r> isn't Orion just a separate project? no shared Eclipse codebase
[20:05:12] <paulweb515> Dessimat0r: the part that runs in your browser is new ... the server is all eclipse plugin based
[20:05:13] <Dessimat0r> does it do Java or just Javascript? :)
[20:05:17] <Dessimat0r> ah
[20:05:30] <paulweb515> Dessimat0r: I see ... no, it's not the entire IDE
[20:05:41] <Dessimat0r> http://www.eclipse.org/orion/ :D
[20:05:44] <paulweb515> Dessimat0r: right now it's just JavaScript, and I believe they're adding PHP as well
[20:05:47] <Dessimat0r> ah
[20:06:27] <paulweb515> Dessimat0r: they're targetting the web developer market ... I work on java, and I feel no need to work in a web browser.  My desktop works fine, thank you very much :-)
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[20:14:25] <Dessimat0r> paulweb515: it'll be cool to use Eclipse on a big android tablet though :)
[20:14:31] <Dessimat0r> with a remote interface
[20:14:40] <Dessimat0r> you could use VNC, but then you get the slowness that brings
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[20:23:21] <ksawicki> does anyone know which gerrit plug-in (and version) is used on hudson.eclipse.org ?
[20:24:33] <paulweb515> ksawicki: do they have one set up yet?  I know that the foundation doesn't run gerrit yet, just the egit guys on their own virtual server
[20:25:03] <ksawicki> yeah, sorry wrong link initially, it is here: https://hudson.eclipse.org/sandbox/?
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[20:34:15] <paulweb515> ksawicki: d_a_carver says: ~317473
[20:34:15] <Arbalest> Bug 317473 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=317473 - Community / Hudson / unspecified - PC / Mac OS X - RESOLVED / FIXED / enhancement / - Assignee: caniszczyk - Add the hudson-gerrit plug-in
[20:34:36] <ksawicki> paulweb515: thanks
[20:34:41] <paulweb515> ksawicki: well, no version info
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[20:36:22] <paulweb515> ksawicki: you can usually find some committers hanging out over in #eclipse-dev
[20:39:01] <ksawicki> paulweb515: thanks for the tip
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[21:14:42] <SrTroll> hi
[21:14:58] * SrTroll is requesting a link to download eclipse 3.6.3
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[21:17:22] <SrTroll> really
[21:18:17] <abhatnag> SrTroll: you've been here before, haven't you
[21:18:36] <Dessimat0r> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ ?
[21:18:43] <Dessimat0r> Eclipse Classic 3.6.2, 171 MB
[21:18:45] <Dessimat0r> click on link
[21:18:59] <SrTroll> ya, that one is a memory hog
[21:19:01] <nitind> There is no 3.6.3 release.
[21:19:04] <Dessimat0r> use Download Links on right hand side
[21:19:14] <Dessimat0r> lol
[21:19:30] <Dessimat0r> p.s. your trolling is shit
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[21:44:21] <Hamled> Hi, I'm using Flash Builder 4.5 (which I believe is based on Eclipse 3.6) and I'm getting this error:
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[21:44:29] <Hamled> configuration variable 'compiler.source-path' value contains unknown token 'UNICORN_ROOT'
[21:44:41] <Hamled> I've defined a Path variable in the project's properties called UNICORN_ROOT, though
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[21:58:44] <DynV> jink: Well the dictionary changes were lost but I've just added them again though the text editor and the file (dictionary) has finally been modified.
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[22:13:04] <paulweb515_> Hamled: in java, stuff like that is set through the Preferences>Java>Build Path>Compiler Variables
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[22:13:41] <Hamled> I think I figured out that I had to have it set in the workspace's link resources rather than the project's link resources
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[22:59:45] <k0nichiwa> can the outline view sort java first by public,protected, pirvate and then by alphabet ?
[22:59:55] <k0nichiwa> i kow you can  hide non-public, not what i want
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[23:00:07] <rcjsuen> No
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[23:17:17] <paulweb515_> k0nichiwa: no, I don't see an option.  If it could, it would be in the view dropdown menu
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[23:18:08] <Max__> I'm using Helios. I had been using Ganymede for a long time, and now upgraded (clean install via package manager on Linux) for some readon the cpp editor is broken...? It won't display the syntax highlighting and the C++ perspective is surrounded by angle brackets (Like this <C++>(.
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[23:20:12] <paulweb515_> Max__: that means CDT isn't successfully installed
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[23:20:42] <Max__> paulweb515_: my package manager claims it is...
[23:20:47] <Max__> version 7.0.1
[23:22:06] <paulweb515_> eclipse says otherwise :-)  if you start an existing workspace with a new eclipse that has less plugins installed, it tries to preserve the unsupported perspectives by putting <PerspName>
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[23:22:27] <paulweb515_> Max__: have a look in your error log, did it come up clean? ~logs
[23:22:27] <Arbalest> Looking for your Eclipse logs? The workspace log should be located at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. In Eclipse, try Help > About > Installation Details > Configutation and then choose "View Error Log". If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
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[23:25:34] <Max__> Lol, there's a typo in the bot.
[23:25:43] <ronr_> silly bot
[23:25:58] <rcjsuen> Max__: which part
[23:26:10] <ronr_> Configutation
[23:26:13] <Max__> "Configutation"
[23:26:33] <rcjsuen> ~set logs Looking for your Eclipse logs? The workspace log should be located at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. In Eclipse, try Help > About > Installation Details > Configuration and then choose "View Error Log". If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[23:26:33] <Arbalest> The keyword "logs" has been updated with the new reply in my database.
[23:26:36] <rcjsuen> ~set log Looking for your Eclipse logs? The workspace log should be located at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. In Eclipse, try Help > About > Installation Details > Configuration and then choose "View Error Log". If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[23:26:37] <Arbalest> The keyword "log" has been updated with the new reply in my database.
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[23:27:07] <paulweb515_> I like Confutation ... but  I'm not adverse to change  :-)
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[23:28:16] <Max__> paulweb515_: OK. There's a ton of stuff here. What am I looking for? (And did it just open a page in my browser? wtf?)
[23:29:03] <rcjsuen> just find your .log file and put it in a pastebin
[23:29:14] <Max__> Alright.
[23:31:51] <Max__> http://pastebin.com/QZy8eCbJ
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[23:55:01] <Hamled> Anyone know the name of the color setting for the 'source file map' bar that is on the right-hand side of the text editor, to the right of the vertical scrollbar? (I want to change the color of the boxes that display where in the file your currently selected tag is also located)
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[23:56:11] <Hamled> nm, just realized I could get to the appropriate preferences page by right clicking on one of them
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