[00:00:19] <rcjsuen> not sure about that
[00:00:23] <rcjsuen> you could do the inverse
[00:00:25] <rcjsuen> and make the fields
[00:00:27] <rcjsuen> then gen the get/sets
[00:00:31] <rcjsuen> then implement the interfaces
[00:00:31] <rcjsuen> lol
[00:00:41] <rcjsuen> or just delete the get sets now
[00:00:45] <rcjsuen> and then add fields, gen them again
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[00:18:32] <NfNitLoop> Oh, nevermind, this interface is only partial anyway.
[00:18:33] <NfNitLoop> >.<
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[00:54:32] <ahughes> Hi guys, how can I get post-compile goals configured in a java project? I need to compile my classes... then I need to create some instances, serialize those instances... then pack the classes and the serialized files into a jar.
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[01:00:23] <rcjsuen> You'd need to add your own builder setup to the project properties.
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[01:31:21] <seiken> hey, I have an RCP app that works fine when I run it from the product
[01:31:22] <seiken> and it exports fine
[01:31:31] <seiken> but when I run the resulting executable I get some errors like
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[01:31:39] <seiken> !MESSAGE Platform filter did not match: (& (osgi.os=win32) (osgi.arch=x86))
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[01:32:14] <seiken> for org.eclipse.core.resources.win32.x86 and org.eclipse.core.filesystem.win32.x86 and org.eclipse.swt.win32.win32.x86_3.5.1.v3555a
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[01:32:39] <seiken> but those are obviously the win32 x86 things
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[01:33:12] <seiken> is the target platform not getting set properly or something somehow
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[01:33:26] <ahughes> rcjsuen, is that hard to do?
[01:33:48] <rcjsuen> ahughes: that would depend on how complicated your post-build step is i suppose
[01:35:13] <ahughes> I wanna run a standalone app, reads data via hibernate.. uses data to populate some pojo's. The pojo's get serialized to file... the classes + the serialized pojo files are then packed into a jar for distro.
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[01:35:53] <ahughes> We're trying to avoid the database... we are non-transactional and we want to interpret/parse the data in the database at compile time.
[01:37:00] <rcjsuen> well, launching some random app (identical to running some random command) shouldn't be hard to setup
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[01:41:16] <seiken> ok in the ini file of the thing the variables don't appear to have been added properly
[01:41:23] <seiken> ${target.os}
[01:41:23] <seiken> ${target.ws}
[01:41:29] <seiken> why would that be
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[02:06:20] <NoobFukaire1> grrrr p2
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[02:12:48] <ecfuser19139> bist du das atil?
[02:12:53] <ecfuser88717> nein
[02:12:55] <ecfuser19139> ok
[02:12:56] <ecfuser19139> ^^
[02:13:12] <ecfuser19139> sag was
[02:13:19] <ecfuser88717> ist das jetzt ein kanal?
[02:13:31] <ecfuser19139> jo
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[04:54:46] <gOLDfeesh> Hey I had a question about Wireless Tool Kit and eclipse. Can I get both of them to work?
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[06:47:06] <Firefishe> I'm using Eclipse to develop for WebOS/Palm.  Which version of Eclipse (Ganymede/Galileo) is set up to do this?
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[07:22:39] <kassah> I'm building an RCP project via Hudson, we just upgraded from 3.4 to 3.5... I've boiled through several issues.. but I'm looking for feedback on java.io.FileNotFoundException: /content/hudson/eclipse-3.5.1/configuration/org.eclipse.osgi/.manager/.fileTableLock (No such file or directory) if someone could provide some feedback... it would be appreciated.
[07:24:07] <kassah> this happens at our build-product phase
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[09:26:11] <Lanlost> Whyyy
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[09:26:30] <Lanlost> I 'installed' eclipse (extracted it to home dir)
[09:26:48] <Lanlost> it works fine... except help -> install new software
[09:26:51] <Lanlost> The text is invisible
[09:27:38] <Lanlost> Its fine when I go in and it says "There is no site selected"
[09:27:47] <Lanlost> but when I choose Galileo - http://download.eclipse.org/releases/galileo
[09:28:11] <Lanlost> there is no text in that middle area... If I move my mouse in there though and click the details get updated
[09:28:16] <Lanlost> but the text in the middle never appears
[09:28:23] <Lanlost> This category identifies various Eclipse technology that is commonly used in runtime scenarios from RCP to embedded to server side. The components in this category . .
[09:28:25] <Lanlost> see
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[09:29:38] <Lanlost> hellp?
[09:29:48] <Lanlost> I just downloaded this today
[09:30:58] <Lanlost> If I use The Eclipse Project Updates - http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.5
[09:31:09] <Lanlost> and I check to hide the packages I have installed
[09:31:18] <Lanlost> and THEN go clicking randomly on the left hand side.. the text will finally appear
[09:31:29] <Lanlost> it goes away though if I click one of the check boxes at the bottom again
[09:31:33] <Lanlost> it only works in that section
[09:31:39] <Lanlost> please... I can't do anything until I do this
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[09:42:47] <Lanlost> I guess I'll try 3.5.0
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[09:50:47] <Lanlost> http://i45.tinypic.com/zoe52f.png
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[09:55:44] <Lanlost> export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1 fixed it
[09:55:47] <Lanlost> should I submit this?
[10:00:54] <nitind> No, it's a known bug.
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[10:37:59] <Lanlost> Just for curiosities sake
[10:38:05] <Lanlost> How do you guys store your code? I have the workspace folder
[10:38:13] <Lanlost> but I usually put source in Source or src
[10:38:31] <Lanlost> just want to see if there is a way to keep personal source seperated cleanly
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[11:01:46] <CheesusChrist> Hello
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[11:02:23] <CheesusChrist> I added event listener to the button, so everytime when button is clicked it sets the value of rows of my table
[11:02:54] <CheesusChrist> now the problem is that it keeps adding more rows each time whne I press button, I want that old things from row get deleted, and that they are replaced with new data
[11:03:13] <CheesusChrist> instead of adding data to the new rows, and keeping old data in upper parts of the table
[11:03:16] <CheesusChrist> how do I do that?
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[11:20:37] <philk_> where can I get icons that represent a bundle, a fragment in 16x16 and 32x32 size?
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[11:24:28] <CheesusChrist> FZUCJK
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[11:56:59] <CheesusChrist> Hello, I need some help
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[11:57:10] <CheesusChrist> I have this in my button event http://pastebin.ca/1718057
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[11:57:23] <CheesusChrist> now everytime when I press, those items add to the table
[11:57:36] <CheesusChrist> I want that previous things get deleted, and be replaced with new thing
[11:58:02] <CheesusChrist> not that they just keep getting added rows everytime I click button.... :(
[12:05:43] <CheesusChrist> come IonnnnnnnnNN
[12:05:58] <CheesusChrist> cAN I get some SWT help here please???
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[12:11:37] <hect> hi!
[12:12:00] <hect> I'm creating my own custom button class, which uses an Image as a background
[12:12:21] <hect> Now, that image is a png file with transparencies, but I can't get the transparency to work
[12:12:24] <hect> any ideas?
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[12:27:16] <Carnage\> philk_: You might want to check out www.famfamfam.org iirc
[12:27:30] <Carnage\> Oh sorry, it's .com
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[12:28:18] <philk_> Carnage\: ok thanks
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[12:58:38] <xonix> Is there a good eclipse plugin to generate from source an class diagramm ?
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[13:35:05] <rcjsuen> Lanlost: People usually put the entire project under SCM I suppose.
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[13:35:47] <rcjsuen> philk_: I'd expect those icons to be 16x16 icons to be from PDE though I don't know about 32x32.
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[13:40:35] <philk_> rcjsuen: but they are not in ico format, would need them in ico format
[13:40:56] <rcjsuen> oic
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[14:00:01] <philk_> rcjsuen: I am working on this one: http://screencast.com/t/YWNlNGRjYTct
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[14:02:28] <erdal> philk_, how did you get the title and company columns of the windows explorer be mapped to the manifest headers?
[14:03:33] <philk_> erdal: well, thats what I was working on in the morning. I wrote myself a Shell Extension for column providers
[14:03:51] <philk_> erdal: I also have an Icon overlay handler in place, but no nice icons :/
[14:03:57] <erdal> i see
[14:04:09] <erdal> i missed the context
[14:04:11] <philk_> erdal: want do show overlay icons for bundles that export services, and ones that have an activator
[14:04:42] <philk_> erdal: I will publish the source code on github later
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[14:04:47] <philk_> erdal: and blog about it
[14:04:51] <erdal> nice
[14:05:03] <philk_> erdal: if you are interested in it, you can pull it
[14:05:24] <erdal> i am not familiar with pulling and pushing and cloning, ...
[14:06:08] <philk_> erdal: me neither... just started using git several days ago
[14:06:19] <philk_> erdal: you can always download a ZIP though :)
[14:06:20] <erdal> ahh, ok
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[14:10:05] <rmrfslash> I need a free, simple, UML editor for Eclipse. I'm looking at the Community edition of Visual Paradigm. Are there others? Perhaps one that is simpler, better?
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[14:11:49] <rmrfslash> there's Omondo of which there is an article on ibm.com
[14:14:35] <rmrfslash> Of course Omondo is 143 MB
[14:14:39] <rmrfslash> wtf
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[14:15:52] <rmrfslash> I could probably install all of rational rose for less
[14:17:32] <philk_> rmrfslash: I would ask myself first why I would need an UML editor in the first place :)
[14:17:35] <rcjsuen> Rational Rose, less than 150 megs, I don't know about that.
[14:19:20] <rmrfslash> I was slightly exaggerating
[14:19:49] <rcjsuen> well then
[14:19:59] <rmrfslash> however, lets check
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[14:20:11] <rmrfslash> shall we?
[14:22:26] <rmrfslash> why is there not a GIANT download button on the homepage?
[14:22:59] <rmrfslash> Rational Software Modeler
[14:23:24] <rmrfslash> Yes, it's like 1 GB
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[14:23:49] <rmrfslash> I stand corrected
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[15:17:47] <philk__> erdal: http://philondev.blogspot.com/2009/12/displaying-osgi-bundle-informations-in.html
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[15:18:39] <erdal> philk_, thanks, will look at it
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[15:38:03] <ercanlier> is there anybody who can help me about jface databinding converters?
[15:38:42] <ercanlier> i ll be appreciated if you could post me special channel link for it as well...
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[15:39:56] <rcjsuen> There's no special channel, it's here or the forums.
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[15:46:37] <ercanlier> nobody about databinding?
[15:46:42] <ercanlier> here
[15:46:43] <ercanlier> ?
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[16:08:29] <Meshez> heya, is there a bundled installer package that includes both eclipse and the jdk?
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[16:13:37] <Meshez> I know there is one for netbeans, and was wondering if there was something similar for eclipse?
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[16:33:30] <nockle> hi everybody, is somebody familiar with eclipse pdt? I started a php script in eclipse and chose "run as script". I entered in "PHP Script Arguments" the string "test". When I print out in the script $_SERVER['argv'][0]. In the console appears something like this; _SERVER['argv'][0]:	start_debug=1&send_sess_end=1&debug_session_id=1017&debug_start_session=1&debug_port=10000&debug_host=127.0.0.1&"test". How can I get only the string I wante
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[16:41:33] <beldog> hi everybody
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[16:48:31] <z4z4> beldog : hi
[16:49:08] <beldog> hi z4z4
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[16:49:51] <ligi> hi - any eclipse RAP dev here?
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[16:50:31] <Kenjin> hello
[16:50:55] <beldog> someone knows why I'm getting "Unable to load the repository" everytime in "installer manager" (eclipse 3.5.1)?
[16:51:10] <beldog> i'm using linux... in win all goes fine :s
[16:51:39] <erdal> beldog: the linux machine proxied?
[16:51:46] <beldog> nop, direct connection
[16:52:01] <beldog> some weeks ago all weng fine :?
[16:52:45] <z4z4> are winxp and linux on the same machine?
[16:52:49] <beldog> yes
[16:53:08] <beldog> win is in a virtual machine
[16:53:17] <beldog> using the same connection
[16:54:40] <beldog> well.. I'll try to re-review logs ;)
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[16:58:36] <Kenjin> I'm getting "java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/http/client/HttpClient" despite the lib being in the classpath. What might be the problem?
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[16:59:10] <erdal> Kenjin: maybe this lib is missing some other libs
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[17:01:56] <Kenjin> erdal: I can clearly see that the class that is supposed missing is there
[17:02:32] <z4z4> Kenjin: have you added it to your plugin's manifest?
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[17:03:32] <Kenjin> z4z4: I've added this through project properties -> external jars. I've not explicitly added anything to any manifest
[17:04:01] <erdal> Kenjin: i you creating plugins, anyways?
[17:04:18] <z4z4> are you working on a plugin project or a regular java project?
[17:04:28] <Kenjin> regular project
[17:05:01] <rcjsuen> Meshez: Eclipse.org doesn't come with a JRE anyway. There may be third-party sites I don't know of any though.
[17:05:27] <erdal> Kenjin: http://hc.apache.org/httpcomponents-client/httpclient/dependencies.html
[17:05:37] <erdal> check httpclient's dependencies
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[17:08:03] <Kenjin> erdal: I've got all of those, not quite same version. Maybe version problema?
[17:08:14] <erdal> maybe
[17:08:25] <Kenjin> i'll give it a shot
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[17:15:57] <Kenjin> no luck
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[17:28:27] <rreyes> Hi all... can some one recommend me a good GEF tutorial?
[17:28:40] <philk__> njbartlett: do fragment bundles not need the "Bundle-ManifestVersion" header?
[17:29:43] <rreyes> all seem rather old... latest one I was able to find is from 2006
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[17:32:21] <beldog> rreyes, no idea
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[17:38:35] <rhk> is there a common way to add a new listener while handling an event inside a listener?
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[17:39:39] <paulweb515_> rhk: sometimes ... it depends on how the notify code was written
[17:39:46] <paulweb515_> rhk: do you own the notify code?
[17:39:50] <rhk> yes
[17:40:30] <paulweb515_> Our code creates a Listener[] listeners from our Lists and walks through that to notify the listeners
[17:40:57] <paulweb515_> that way, if one of the listeners were to remove itself or add another one, we don't get a CME
[17:41:43] <rhk> that makes sense, but this code could be called 100's of times per second. I was hoping to avoid the copy if I could.
[17:41:45] <paulweb515_> We use ListenerList (I'll find the right one)
[17:42:21] <paulweb515_> rhk: you have 2 choices ... copy and your safe, or change your listener interface to say listeners can't be added or removed during traversal
[17:43:11] <nockle> hi someone here, who is familiar with the pdt plugin?
[17:43:12] <paulweb515_> also, consider the potential cost to the system for calling out to client code 100s of times a second
[17:43:16] <rhk> I started setting it up to handle remove by returning a boolean from the listener. if true, then it adds the listener to a remove list (which is lazily created)
[17:43:17] <beldog> ok, I think my error is  related with newer java-common update in debian sid...
[17:43:23] <nockle>  I started a php script in eclipse and chose "run as script". I entered in "PHP Script Arguments" the string "test". When I print out in the script $_SERVER['argv'][0]. In the console appears something like this; _SERVER['argv'][0]: start_debug=1&send_sess_end=1&debug_session_id=1017&debug_start_session=1&debug_port=10000&debug_host=127.0.0.1&"test". How can I get only the string I wanted to get?
[17:44:05] <paulweb515_> rhk: client code doesn't have to return quickly, and that can be costly (maybe that's just the way it is, but it should be considered)
[17:44:06] <rhk> paulweb515_: it's something I have to do. it's reading data from a serial port, and I have to be able to add hooks to process the data, based one what options are enabled.
[17:44:41] <paulweb515_> rhk: the cost to clone an Object[] isn't huge
[17:44:43] <rhk> so when I enable a display that shows some kiind of data, it receives all text messages and updates the display accordingly.
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[17:45:01] <rhk> I'll give it a go, and optimize it later if needed
[17:45:28] <paulweb515_> see org.eclipse.core.runtime.ListenerList
[17:45:45] <paulweb515_> it does that kind of work (it's easy to set up as an identity list)
[17:46:31] <paulweb515_> rhk: ListenerList only clones if an add or remove happens
[17:46:45] <paulweb515_> rhk: so it doesn't clone in the default case (just walking through the array)
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[17:46:52] <rhk> nice
[17:48:45] <rhk> if this code was running inside eclipse, I'd just use it directly. I may need to dupe this
[17:50:13] <rhk> interesting. it looks like it implements ArrayList internally
[17:50:15] <paulweb515_> rhk: it's EPLed, dup away (just don't change :-)
[17:50:51] <paulweb515_> rhk: it's a very simple form of array list, because it was optimized to clone on modify but expose the internal array (with a warning that it's read-only :-)
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[17:51:40] <rhk> paulweb515_: makes sense. add/remove should be called less frequently than firing an event
[17:59:06] <beldog> see you
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[18:34:25] <Kenjin> what does it mean when I get a "java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError" for the class I'm trying to run ?
[18:35:40] <rcjsuen> The JVM couldn't find said class on the classpath.
[18:35:44] <NoobFukaure> it means the class you're trying to use doesn't exist on the classpath at runtime
[18:35:46] <rcjsuen> But I suppose you already deduced that already.
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[18:54:06] <Kenjin> rcjsuen: the file is inside a project and i'm trying to run it how can it not be on the class path
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[18:54:41] <rcjsuen> well, having random .class files in your project root doesn't mean it's on the project's class path, best to check your project's properties
[18:54:41] <Kenjin> this file is inside the src folder
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[18:55:14] <nahuel> hi, I have some problems with eclipse, I cannot anymore access to network to update or install plugins
[18:55:18] <nahuel> I don't know why
[18:55:31] <nahuel> eclipse say me it cannot access to network
[18:55:37] <nahuel> any idea ?
[18:55:59] <rcjsuen> Kenjin: You mean the .java file?
[18:56:08] <Kenjin> rcjsuen: yes
[18:56:20] <rcjsuen> you should verify it is build and physically on disk then
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[18:57:02] <Kenjin> rcjsuen: and is set as a launch configuration for the project
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[18:59:22] <Kenjin> and in the classpath there's my project and some jars
[19:00:06] <stupidus> Hi, is there any possibility to remove all that java development stuff from eclipse, after i installed it, because i only want to use it for LaTeX. On ubuntu there is a 80MB package called eclipse-platform, which works, but on archlinux theres just the big 200 MB package...
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[19:04:26] <nahuel> http://pastebin.com/m520c573d
[19:04:27] <nahuel> :(
[19:05:24] <rcjsuen> stupidus: You'd have to ask the Arch Linux folks if they have such a build.
[19:05:43] <d_a_carver> stupidus: depends...you might be able to find the JDT feature, and uninstall it. Help->About then select installations.
[19:12:16] <stupidus> well there is the eclipse installation details menu, but theres nothing that i can uninstall, except for the texlipse plugin
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[19:16:44] <stupidus> what would happen if i just remove all the files containing jdt in the plugins folder?
[19:17:11] <rcjsuen> Eclipse should still come up.
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[19:17:18] <rcjsuen> You may get some warnings in the beginning but otherwise should be usable.
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[19:22:40] <stupidus> ok, thx, it doesnt show JDT anymore in the installation details
[19:26:28] <stupidus> Do i need the CVS client and RCP?
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[19:31:00] <rcjsuen> stupidus: you need the latter
[19:31:06] <rcjsuen> former, well, that's a question only you can answer
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[19:33:30] <nahuel> no one can help me ?
[19:34:42] <stupidus> the normal project management will still work w/o the CVS client, wont it?
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[19:34:54] <rcjsuen> stupidus: Yes.
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[19:35:46] <stupidus> Ok thx
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[19:43:42] <Kenjin> rcjsuen: now I'm getting "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/http/client/HttpClient" and I have the httpclient jar in the classpath
[19:44:08] <nahuel> no idea for this error : Unable to connect to repository http://download.eclipse.org/releases/galileo/content.xml ?
[19:44:19] <rcjsuen> Kenjin: Isn't that the same error you were getting
[19:44:25] <nahuel> It's strange, with my browser I can access
[19:44:29] <nahuel> but not using eclipse :(
[19:45:12] <Kenjin> no this one refers to .jar file I included. The previous on was from my main class
[19:45:29] <Kenjin> I have the import org.apache.http.client.HttpClient; correct in the file
[19:46:08] <rcjsuen> Kenjin: This is a regular Java project?
[19:46:13] <Kenjin> yes
[19:46:23] <rcjsuen> Kenjin: What does your project's .classpath file look like?
[19:46:34] <rcjsuen> And please provide some screenshots of your setup.
[19:50:54] <Kenjin> rcjsuen: http://pastie.org/747604
[19:51:30] <nahuel> ... say me "no" :)
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[20:10:39] <nitind> Kenjin: That Error means the class could not be loaded.  Are you sure that it's really in /Users/Kenjin/Desktop/Desktop/09:10/sdist/tutorial_tp5/lib , with /Desktop/Desktop in the path?
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[20:11:21] <Kenjin> nitind: yes, I have a Desktop folder inside my desktop
[20:11:35] <Kenjin> I actually added the jar to the project throught an eclipse dialog
[20:11:36] <nitind> Kenjin: The colon (:) might also not be allowed in the path, it's how the runtime separates entries on the classpath in the command line.  Try changing that character to something else, like '_'.
[20:11:44] <Kenjin> oh
[20:11:49] <nitind> (separates them on 'nix)
[20:12:09] <Kenjin> its actually not supposed to be a colon. That might be it
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[20:14:17] <Kenjin> nitind: omg thank you so much
[20:14:41] <Kenjin> I actually know better to name stuff with stupid chars
[20:15:17] <Kenjin> there was a folder in the path "09/10" and was getting turned into "09:10" and in runtime was not working
[20:15:29] <Kenjin> its fixed
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[20:47:52] <Yiv> Hi, I need to know how I can merely compile my classes with eclipse. Apparently it allows for "Build Automatically" which illustrates the errors right off the bat in the editing window but when I run my file, if there is a known issue, the error message that appears in either "problem" or "console" are run-time related and I never get to see the actual compile-time error.
[20:48:06] <Yiv> Is there a way I can just see the compile-time message?
[20:49:45] * Irakirashia is away: pijaymerca~
[20:51:52] <Irakirashia> Sorry for that.-
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[20:52:52] <FoolishOwl> Hello.
[20:53:27] <FoolishOwl> I just recently installed Eclipse, and I'm wondering where I can find a good tutorial or manual.
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[20:58:23] <nahuel> someone have an idea for my problem : http://pastebin.com/m520c573d ?
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[21:04:08] <rcjsuen> Yiv: Java?
[21:04:22] <rcjsuen> FoolishOwl: That'd highly depend on what you're doing I suppose.
[21:04:37] 
[21:04:47] <nahuel> "Network not available"
[21:04:59] <nahuel> but I can access via firefox
[21:05:06] <rhk> sounds like proxy settings
[21:05:15] <nahuel> There is no proxy settings
[21:05:17] <nahuel> all is disabled
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[21:06:18] <rhk> maybe it needs to be :)
[21:06:30] <nahuel> I don't use proxy at home
[21:06:30] <rhk> do you have any proxy settings in firefox?
[21:06:38] <nahuel> and all worked fine some days ago
[21:06:43] <nahuel> no
[21:06:53] <nahuel> not any weird network settings
[21:07:11] <rhk> did you recently update to the latest java version?
[21:07:17] <rhk> like maybe a few days ago?
[21:07:24] <nahuel> perhaps yes
[21:07:35] <nahuel> java version "1.6.0_17"
[21:07:41] <nahuel> (i'm using sun jvm)
[21:08:02] <rhk> do you have another java app that accesses the internet you can test with?
[21:08:18] <rhk> someone else had a similar problem recently. had to fall back to the previous release
[21:08:31] <nahuel> no, eclipse is the only java app I use
[21:08:36] <nahuel> ah
[21:08:48] <nahuel> ok well I'll test with an older java version
[21:08:55] <rhk> it might fix it
[21:09:19] <nahuel> thanks for your time
[21:10:03] <rhk> np
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[21:13:32] <philk__> who can create me some 32x32 icons for plugin and fragments? The one used in PDE UI
[21:16:38] <FoolishOwl> rcjsuen, I'm looking for a good general overview of Eclipse, and perhaps of IDEs in general.
[21:17:03] <rcjsuen> FoolishOwl: these might help, if you're doing Java
[21:17:06] <rcjsuen> FoolishOwl: http://eclipsetutorial.sourceforge.net/
[21:17:18] <rcjsuen> and www.vogella.de
[21:18:30] <philk__> vogelly is a good one, yes
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[21:54:06] <Yiv> rcjsuen, Yes, Java.
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[21:58:23] <rcjsuen> Yiv: Eclipse's Java compiler doesn't produce output.
[21:58:29] <rcjsuen> it's just integrated into the system directly
[21:59:09] <Yiv> What if I want to see the error messages outputed by the compiler?
[21:59:23] <Yiv> The console window only outputs run-time's.
[21:59:48] <rcjsuen> as i said, it doesn't produce output
[21:59:53] <rcjsuen> you'd have to spin an ant script if yo uawnan see output
[22:00:13] * Yiv sighs
[22:00:19] <Yiv> I see.
[22:01:17] <rcjsuen> Just use the 'Problems' view to look at your errors/warnings.
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[22:02:47] <Yiv> There's nothing wrong with the Problems view; it's just that if you wish to review the compile-time error in detail, then you have to resort to the shell terminal... or as you suggested, integrated with Ant or I suppose other project management tools.
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[22:03:37] <rcjsuen> I can't say I've ever desired more detail from the view.
[22:03:45] <rcjsuen> i can double-click, it jumps to it
[22:03:51] <rcjsuen> i can hover over the squiggly line and see the erro
[22:03:52] <rcjsuen> error
[22:04:21] <rcjsuen> it's not clear to me what more the compiler's actual textual output would provide
[22:05:15] <Yiv> Right, the auto compiler-error detection is handy unless you want to familiarize yourself with the type of errors the compiler spews. That was my main goal.
[22:06:25] <blahjake> Yiv: why not just use javac then?
[22:07:31] <Yiv> blahjake, Heh, I thought the almighty eclipse would have no problem providing such functionality at min.
[22:09:13] <nitind> I'm still not clear on what kind of information you're looking for that's *not* in the Problems view message.
[22:09:39] <Yiv> nitind, Compile-time messages.
[22:10:00] <nitind> Yiv: Example?
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[22:10:18] <blahjake> Yiv: the problems view has compile-time messages
[22:10:19] <nitind> Yiv: And pretty much anything categorized as a Java Problem is a compile-time message.
[22:11:06] <Yiv> Umm... like try to place an "import" statement before "package" and Run the code. It doesn't produce the compile-time error that the straight javac provides.
[22:11:39] <nitind> Yiv: What does it produce?
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[22:12:29] <Yiv> eclipse-> Type: Syntax error on token "package", import expected
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[22:12:44] <Yiv> Compiler -> class, interface, or enum expected...
[22:13:59] <Yiv> Semantically they are identical but apparently eclipse maps it to its own proprietary syntax.
[22:14:16] <rcjsuen> proprietary syntax?
[22:15:06] <nitind> Its own terminology.
[22:15:34] <nitind> It's 6 of 1, a half-dozen of the other, as I see it.
[22:16:09] <Yiv> What's the "6 of 1?"
[22:16:46] <alankila> eclipse has its own compiler, so if you want to learn strictly javac you are better off using that, I suppose.
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[22:17:54] <rcjsuen> 'import' is valid, as is 'class', 'interface', 'enum'...'public' would also be fair game, and 'abstract'
[22:18:38] <Yiv> rcjsuen, I know. I threw that syntax on purpose to see if the IDE produces an identical message as the compiler does.
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[22:19:25] <Yiv> alankila, I see. I mistakenly assumed "Installed JRE" somehow also tells eclipse to use the javac of that JRE location.
[22:19:28] <rcjsuen> Don't think the JLS has a mandate on error messages.
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[22:19:44] <nitind> Not on the strings themselves.
[22:20:19] <Yiv> So even if I integrate my code with Ant, it would still utilize the eclipse's compiler?
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[22:20:44] <Yiv> Is there a way I can force eclipse to compile with a specified external compiler?
[22:22:07] <alankila> I believe it matters for the runtime and the libraries used during compiling.
[22:22:16] <alankila> JRE itself does not contain a compiler, only JDK does.
[22:24:00] <Yiv> Correct, but my installed JRE points to jdk directory. Obviously, JDK package comes with a separate JRE directory, so I assume it pulls the necessary run-time stuff from there.
[22:24:23] <Yiv> Anyway, is there a way to force eclipse to use a specific compiler rather than its own?
[22:24:34] <alankila> Don't know.
[22:24:52] <Yiv> Alright, thanks.
[22:25:39] <NoobFukaure> you could disable auto building and just manually invoke ant as an external tool
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[22:27:09] <Yiv> NoobFukaure, I suppose, that's what I have to do.
[22:27:16] <alankila> I think one of the better things about eclipse is that it's capable of building the project, though.
[22:29:59] <alankila> many people seem to hate that, for instance IDEA is not able to build the project, it can only invoke ant or whatever you have to build it. I hated that.
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[22:43:09] <e66> how can I make eclipse pdt to parse my @todo @fixme automatically?
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[22:52:54] <benc1> I'm trying to install the android plugin on eclipse but the installation is stuck at 4% loading org.eclipse.mylyn.wikitext.help.ui
[22:53:06] <rcjsuen> yeah, you'd have to use Ant (or some other build tool) to force javac usage
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