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[00:07:06] <kaje> How can I get the current device from the Workbench? I'm trying to create a new Color and when the first argument is null, it dumps some error messages...
[00:08:53] <rcjsuen> IWOrkbench has a getDisplay() method, no? :o
[00:09:09] <rcjsuen> And I'm pretty sure Color's constructor says the Device can't be null in the javadoc ;)
[00:10:02] <kaje> Yes, I had seen it as null in other examples though... thanks that worked...
[00:11:19] <rcjsuen> kaje: That's probably because their Display.getCurrent() method was fine (i.e. they were on a UI thread).
[00:11:48] <rcjsuen> I would avoid passing in null myself.
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[00:14:58] <kaje> Will do!
[00:15:47] <kaje> I'm still getting this error: ... <Error>: kCGErrorFailure: Set a breakpoint @ CGErrorBreakpoint() to catch errors as they are logged.
[00:15:54] <kaje> How do I set that breakpoint?
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[00:22:30] <mertimor> oh great, now trying to set breakpoints in pde-projekt leads to null pointer exceptions (new integration build bla bla)
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[00:38:23] <ech0s7> h
[00:38:25] <ech0s7> hi
[00:39:30] <ech0s7> i have a problem, i have reinstalled eclipse and now in "available software sites" i have nothing... anyone can say me the link that i can enter?
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[00:40:41] <rcjsuen> Check the FAQ, the Galileo site is listed there (just search for 'galileo' I believe). I don't have Eclipse open at the moment.
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[00:42:25] <ech0s7> rcjsuen: i have seen in http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Eclipse_FAQs
[00:42:32] <ech0s7> but i haven't found them
[00:42:36] <rcjsuen> ech0s7: I meant the FAQ in the channel's topic.
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[00:44:00] <ech0s7> ok, thanks rcjsuen
[00:44:00] <ech0s7> http://download.eclipse.org/releases/galileo/
[00:44:30] <rcjsuen> ech0s7: Oh, you found it, great. Good luck with whatever you were doing. :)
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[00:46:04] <ech0s7> thanks :)
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[01:00:55] <jrdn> is there a better way to style php syntax
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[01:15:57] <Yiv> Hi, I'm trying to run eclipse for the first time. I was wondering if someone can tell me what eclipse looks for before launching the application?
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[01:16:54] <Yiv> The reason I'm asking is when I run it directly from the command line, it opens up just fine but via fluxbox (windows manager) menu command, it complains about not being able to find the JVM.
[01:16:55] <rcjsuen> I guess it looks for a JVM>
[01:17:32] <Yiv> The JAVA_HOME and PATH both indicate that java is available and I can run both java and javac from the command line ok.
[01:18:45] <rcjsuen> probably indicates a difference between your opened terminals and the terminal that fluxbox was launched from, i suppose
[01:18:50] <rcjsuen> It'd depend on the command that fb used I guess.
[01:19:41] <Yiv> rcjsuen, Right, but the command in fluxbox is identical to the one I run from the command line (i.e. /usr/local/eclipse/eclipse).
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[01:19:51] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[01:20:01] <rcjsuen> that's pretty much the same thing i use
[01:20:03] <jrdn> anyone know how to do custom syntax coloring in PDT
[01:20:04] <rcjsuen> tho my eclipse is in ~/
[01:20:29] <Yiv> Hmm... maybe it's a permission issue.
[01:22:05] <kesselhaus> Yiv: are the paths already set when fb starts? or are the first added when you start the terminal
[01:22:26] <rcjsuen> kesselhaus: that's what i was wondering, indeed
[01:25:21] <Yiv> kesselhaus, Sorry, I was checking something. The PATH is set in ~.bashrc.
[01:25:45] <Yiv> Which includes the $JAVA_HOME/bin
[01:27:27] <rcjsuen> You could always just use the eclipse.ini file to point at a JVM. That'd be a more foolproof method.
[01:28:18] <kesselhaus> wasn't bashrc just for bash? is there no .profile?
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[01:29:18] <Yiv> There is a global .profile but it contains no reference to Java related files.
[01:31:52] <Yiv> Even when I run eclipse from the command line, the "Installed JREs" in Preferences shows the accurate system wide installed JDK/JRE.
[01:32:13] <jrdn> so no one knows how to edit syntax coloring in PDT?  it's default is ugly.
[01:32:59] <rcjsuen> jrdn: If you could it would be in the preferences. That is the case for Java anyway.
[01:33:47] <Yiv> jrdn, Running eclipse for the first time but in Preferences, I see Java->Editor->Syntax Coloring
[01:35:37] <kesselhaus> Yiv: when you open a bash, it usually reads in the settings from bashrc... but your profile specific settings which are not just for bash, are in .profile
[01:36:32] <kesselhaus> at least, that was like that the last time i used a unixoid OS some years ago
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[01:50:31] <kesselhaus> hmm, subversice connector can not be installed in 3.6m4...
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[02:03:07] <njbartlett> Did UDC work in 3.4?
[02:03:39] <njbartlett> Considering dropping support for 3.4 but would be nice to get some kind of numbers
[02:06:20] <rcjsuen> dropping support for 3.4 waa?
[02:06:36] <rcjsuen> i believe they introduced it last in 3.4 or 3.3
[02:06:39] <rcjsuen> so i'm guessing it works
[02:07:57] <rcjsuen> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/wayne/2008/03/05/usage-data-collection-status/ looks like was there for ganymede
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[02:25:21] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Cool thanks
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[04:14:08] <rmrfslash> how can I have ecplise reparse my source?
[04:14:18] <rmrfslash> is there a key combination?
[04:14:49] <rmrfslash> I have errors that I know have been fixed
[04:14:59] <rmrfslash> but eclipse still thinks there's an error on the line
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[04:22:36] <rcjsuen> did you save?
[04:22:40] <rcjsuen> try close/reopen your editor
[04:22:46] <rcjsuen> close/reopen the project, cleaning the project (Project menu)
[04:22:48] <rcjsuen> close/reopen eclipse
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[04:45:49] <nitind> rmrfslash: what kind of source is it?
[04:46:11] <rmrfslash> php
[04:46:15] <rmrfslash> (PDT)
[04:47:01] <rmrfslash> rcjsuen: that's the solution? close/reopen Eclipse?
[04:47:05] <rmrfslash> I hope not.
[04:47:58] <rmrfslash> that would be....... how should I put this ........absolutely ridiculous :)
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[04:57:32] <nitind> He did recommend more than one thing before resorting to that.
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[05:09:04] <ahughes> why is it that my run configuration's don't update? Someone checks a newone into SVN... but the changes are not reflected in the workspace.
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[06:42:09] <kassah> how does one go about hiding a control in SWT? The only thing I've figured out so far is to use a PageBook to swap out the full layout... but that seems incredibly inefficient. any other ideas?
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[06:45:09] <nitind> hide as in make not visible, remove from the layout, or something else?
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[07:09:50] <_tux> i wanted to know if there is a plugin for editing xml files
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[08:00:11] <Haris`> Hi. How can I fix the slow CSS problem in eclipse PDT?
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[08:21:00] <talyn> hey all
[08:21:29] <talyn> i've got a question about swt development - is there a channel for specifically that or is this good
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[08:36:30] <keya> talyn: This should be fine.  You can also check on SWT Newsgroup.
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[08:54:00] <talyn> i'm really just wondering about whether its possible to have a trayicon configured to ignore/prevent screensaver messages
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[09:01:12] <philk_> is it possible to define new JavaDoc tags like @thread that describes on which thread the method is called?
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[09:13:38] <talyn> is doclipse the kind of thing you're thinking of?
[09:13:39] <talyn> http://beust.com/doclipse/
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[09:20:17] <^Willie^> morning
[09:20:44] <^Willie^> i wana write some simple java applets to embed in html where can i find some info about this
[09:21:24] <^Willie^> all tuturials are about other aspects then embedding some applet what result in an applet that can't be embedded so will be useless for me to stick time in :S
[09:24:04] <talyn> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/deployment/applet/deployingApplet.html
[09:24:17] <talyn> you mean you're having difficulty actually embedding it in a page?
[09:24:53] <^Willie^> ehhmm i don't like the whole deploying part
[09:25:07] <^Willie^> point stays the manuals sucks at this when you want something small and simple
[09:25:50] <^Willie^> i'm no dev but a scripter and do understand the basics but i don't understand eclipse or netbeans at the point i don't need a java app server
[09:26:15] <^Willie^> i need a html file to test my applet not some daemon service
[09:27:13] <talyn> well the next page on that tutorial has a sample applet tag that references a jar file
[09:27:31] <^Willie^> true but not able to run in html code
[09:27:33] <talyn> you can just make a basic html file with that applet tag, and reference the jar file relative to the html file
[09:27:46] <talyn> .. i'm not sure i follow
[09:27:48] <^Willie^> hat result in an java error the applet can't run in that way
[09:28:20] <^Willie^> at the other hand i can't find the example i had
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[09:28:57] <^Willie^> i whas able to put some jpanel stuff in an applet but still dunno why or how to do it exactly :S
[09:29:58] <^Willie^> i started with this 2 weeks ago :S
[09:30:33] <^Willie^> a normal MS C# tuturial/book take less then 4 hours to start writing your own app
[09:30:48] <talyn> i haven't played around with applets in years, and i wasn't even doing any of the jpanel stuff
[09:31:08] <^Willie^> talyn: my project is write an java irc client
[09:31:15] <^Willie^> not for school but for a friend
[09:31:38] <^Willie^> there are anough irc classes also enough examples to create my own
[09:31:49] <^Willie^> but then still i dunno if the applet will run and why it don't
[09:32:04] <^Willie^> at that point i can only can angry cause no info about the issues
[09:33:40] <talyn> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/uiswing/components/toplevel.html
[09:33:46] <talyn> is that any more relevant?
[09:34:46] <^Willie^> if it can tell me how to open the second popup yes :S
[09:35:00] <talyn> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/uiswing/components/applet.html
[09:35:01] <talyn> hmm
[09:35:49] <jink> ~junit
[09:36:28] <jink> Hmm, no bot...?
[09:36:50] <^Willie^> last link about the applets is better info yes
[09:37:08] <^Willie^> but i just don't have the time to sit and read for hours
[09:37:42] <^Willie^> whasted 2 weeks already
[09:37:46] <talyn> are you familiar at all with swing?
[09:37:59] <^Willie^> no again i'm a linux scripter
[09:38:10] <^Willie^> and have no probs with jscript or php or perl or c or c#
[09:38:18] <^Willie^> but java is something not for me
[09:38:29] <^Willie^> or atleast the documentation to start with sucks
[09:39:35] <talyn> personally i find swt more flexible and better documented / easier to use than swing, but i'm not sure if its possible (or as simple) to use it in an applet as swing it
[09:39:46] <talyn> maybe someone else here knows about that?
[09:40:03] <^Willie^> personal expirience with swing stuff in eclipse just quit it and go netbeans
[09:40:40] <^Willie^> eclipse crashing all the time here when try to take some textfield or button from the side panel to my frame
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[09:41:40] <^Willie^> anyway i have to go
[09:41:43] <^Willie^> next project
[09:42:22] <talyn> good luck!
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[09:57:32] <monzie> hello all
[09:57:40] <monzie> any ant -> rake gurus here for PDE Build?
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[09:58:01] <monzie> ( I'm moving my PDE build away from an ant script to a rake script ) - in the hope of getting some peace :)
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[10:26:28] <jonalv> okey so I am defining an action in the plugin.xml. It has an icon property so I can specify an icon but it has to be relative to plugin.xml. If I want to use say the standard Eclispe delete icon, how would I go about doing that?
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[10:28:53] <jonalv> ping
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[10:32:15] <qube_> In Package Explorer View, "JRE system libraries" section that will list all JAR dependencies is missing. How do I bring that section back. But my code completely works fine with all dependencies. But I am not able to view that section at all.  I am using Eclipse SDK  Version: 3.3.2 Build id: M20080221-1800
[10:34:04] <qube_> someone please help me with this
[10:41:41] <erdal> philk_: i remember you were playing with the ribbon widget
[10:41:57] <philk_> erdal: correct
[10:42:02] <erdal> did you manage to show a ribbon instead of the coolbar?
[10:42:14] <philk_> erdal: but gave up, since MS license politics does not allow you to use it
[10:42:26] <erdal> i see
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[10:42:41] <philk_> how would I start an SWT event loop inside an OSGi service component, njbartlett?
[10:42:55] <philk_> erdal: I wanted it to be extensible via extensions
[10:43:08] <erdal> philk_: yes, i remember
[10:43:11] <philk_> erdal: so that you could use the menuContribution extension to drive the ribbon tool
[10:43:32] <erdal> philk_: do you know how to replace the coolbar?
[10:43:42] <philk_> erdal: replace it with what?
[10:43:50] <philk_> erdal: you can just opt to not display it
[10:43:56] <erdal> with another control
[10:44:05] <philk_> erdal: and then grab all its contributions yourself for your control
[10:44:09] <erdal> yes, not display it but show "something" else
[10:44:28] <philk_> erdal: I think you would have to hack into the WorkbenchWindow somehow
[10:44:43] <philk_> erdal: maybe paulweb515 knows more about that
[10:44:47] <erdal> i am getting layout problems
[10:44:58] <erdal> i guess he knows :-)
[10:45:42] <philk_> erdal: so you already put another control there?
[10:45:48] <erdal> yes
[10:45:53] <philk_> erdal: and whats the layout problem? Got a screenshot?
[10:46:16] <erdal> currently, i just dont know how to layout the new control
[10:46:27] <erdal> to get the other controls be placed underneath it
[10:47:54] <erdal> it is a composite containing two toolbars (on left/right) to simulate the coolbar
[10:49:36] <erdal> philk_: then, i am using 48x48 icons for the toolbars' items, that really looks great ;-)
[10:49:37] <philk_> erdal: no idea, I only skinned the coolbar in the past
[10:49:53] <philk_> erdal: I am also using bigger icons but with the normal coolbar
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[10:50:21] <erdal> philk_: how do you exlude other contributions?
[10:52:01] <philk_> erdal: what other contributions? My contributions all supply bigger icons, I do not know what will happen if someone contributes a smaller icon contributions
[10:52:32] <erdal> philk_: mixing with smaller icons will not look good anymore
[10:52:50] <erdal> so i am trying to replace the coolbar or at least find a way to exclude all other contributions
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[10:54:46] <philk_> erdal: hmm no idea... thats not the idea of contributions :) You should allow them all
[10:54:56] <philk_> erdal: or not use the menuContribution extension
[10:55:33] <erdal> but menu contribution is very convenient to use :-)
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[11:32:36] <yann> I'm trying to find the checkout URL for a svn repo I can see on dev.e.o in viewvc - any hint for that ? (that's buckmisnter_tools)
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[11:55:43] <keya> yann: Right click on the SVN project and properties.  SVN Info should provide you information.
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[12:04:14] <njbartlett> philk_: Sorry I missed your question earlier. Starting an SWT event loop in OSGi is tricky because of Mac OS X
[12:05:02] <njbartlett> philk_: Most platforms you just create the thread and run the event loop. But on Mac, the event loop must be on the "main" thread. That's not so easy when you're an OSGi bundle
[12:07:38] <philk_> njbartlett: hmmm Mac and their custom Java crap
[12:07:53] <philk_> njbartlett: is there a solution to that already?
[12:08:00] <njbartlett> philk_: Actually it affects all processes, not just Java.
[12:08:18] <philk_> njbartlett: but there must be a solution to this...
[12:08:45] <njbartlett> philk_: Equinox's application model supports starting stuff on the main thread... otherwise Eclipse itself wouldn't work. I'm not sure about other frameworks though.
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[12:11:20] <yann> keya: I do not have the project checked out yet, the only thing I know about is its viewsvn URL - http://dev.eclipse.org/viewsvn/index.cgi/trunk/org.eclipse.buckminster/demo/?root=Tools_BUCKMINSTER
[12:16:06] <keya> yann: 'viewsvn' would be the web interface.  To check out from svn you need to give url which I believe should be http://dev.eclipse.org/trunk/org.eclipse.buckminster/demo/
[12:16:25] <keya> yann: I am not sure.  I guess it should be available under it's documentation.
[12:17:06] <yann> well, finally that seems to be svn://dev.eclipse.org/svnroot/tools/org.eclipse.buckminster/trunk/org.eclipse.buckminster/demo :)
[12:17:26] <keya> yann: Yeah.  Great.
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[12:22:41] <Aleph_One> When defining a "Remote Java Application" for debugging, i can only specify 1 project. Why is that? What if i want to debug where 2 projects are involved? And they don't have a project dependency between them.
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[13:00:17] <yann> hm, how is it that Subversive tells me that the JavaHL connectors are only suported on win32 platforms ?!
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[13:25:39] <jink> Hmmm, ctrl-shift-w != alt-shift-w :P
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[13:30:38] <paulweb515> ouch
[13:32:05] <erdal> paulweb515: i disabled the coolbar and added a simple toolbar using the TrimLayout internals
[13:32:23] <paulweb515> Aleph_One: if it doesn't stop on java breakpoints in the second project, define a third dummy project and depend on the other 2?
[13:32:41] <erdal> would i have to be aware of anything?
[13:33:15] <philk_> is it possible to have multiple projects in an eclipse workspace that have the same name, but are in different folders?
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[13:33:45] <philk_> i would like to have all my tutorial series plugins in one workspace and not a workspace for each tutorial step
[13:34:12] <paulweb515> erdal: if you got the coolbar to successfully disappear, the toolbar you are adding (if it comes through o.e.ui.menus) will work the same as a status line
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[13:34:46] <paulweb515> erdal: or do you mean something else?
[13:35:00] <Aleph_One> paulweb515: i was just confused on why i have to define a project under the "Connect" tab, but in the Source tab i can select multiple projects.
[13:35:16] <Aleph_One> Anyway, it works for me now when definint multiple Source projects.
[13:35:25] <paulweb515> Aleph_One: in theory you are picking the project that has your remote app "main"
[13:35:56] <paulweb515> philk_: when we gave the rcp mail tutorial last year we had org.eclipse.rcp.mail-1 through org.eclipse.rcp.mail-14
[13:36:08] <Aleph_One> Ok, but there are no real reason for it then, more than it makes most sence logically
[13:37:04] <erdal> paulweb515: i used WindowTrimProxy and provided an id, you mean i can use this to add new contributions?
[13:37:10] <paulweb515> Aleph_One: I believe that's all there is to it (athough I'm not that familiar with it)
[13:38:03] <philk_> paulweb515: and they all contained some bundles each?
[13:38:18] <paulweb515> erdal: AFAIK the trim expects each trim area to match up to a meta-id, like toolbar:org.eclipse.ui.main.toolbar or toolbar:org.eclipse.ui.trim.status
[13:38:51] <paulweb515> erdal: then in the main toolbar, it's all managed as a coolbar that creates toolbars that contain their contributions
[13:39:08] <erdal> paulweb515: i am populating the toolbar using the menu service
[13:39:11] <paulweb515> erdal: in the other areas, it's managed as multiple coolbars with a toolbar in each one
[13:39:20] <paulweb515> erdal: that's what we do
[13:39:40] <paulweb515> erdal: then you just need to make sure when your toolbar goes away you release its contribution manager
[13:39:57] <erdal> i see, thanks
[13:40:48] <paulweb515> philk_: http://max-server.myftp.org/rcp-mail/download/rcpmail-tutorial-2.0.0.v200904291506.zip
[13:41:12] <rcjsuen> jonalv: I believe you use a platform:/org.eclipse.... URI or something to point it to the workbench's delete icon.
[13:41:15] <paulweb515> philk_: that's an archive of projects you can import into your workspace ... I believe they're set up
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[13:41:45] <erdal> paulweb515: to sum up: adding a new trim to the workbench manually would not have any side effects?
[13:41:49] <paulweb515> jonalv: platform:/plugin/org.eclipse.ui/.... is the form (I think) to point to another bundle's files
[13:42:24] <rcjsuen> Aleph_One: You mean they have a soft dependency but not a hard dependency?
[13:42:27] <paulweb515> erdal: unfortunately, I can't say that (one of the reasons we're working on e4) ... everything in the workbench has side effects
[13:42:30] <jonalv> paulweb515: oh so you can point it to files in another bundle?
[13:42:43] * jonalv ended up storing a copy of the icon inside the plugin...
[13:43:02] <paulweb515> jonalv: you can reference them in a place that takes a URL
[13:43:28] <paulweb515> jonalv: the risk  with referencing files is "what if the other plugin moves/renames/deletes it?"
[13:43:36] <paulweb515> jonalv: but it works, for sure
[13:43:43] <jonalv> paulweb515: oki
[13:43:54] <jonalv> I guess copying the file isn't so bad then...
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[13:45:05] <paulweb515> jonalv: well, you can use references to share your own icons comfortably ... and it's probably safe to use most of the ui or ide icons (that have been there since 2.0 :-)
[13:46:00] <paulweb515> philk_: under the steps directory, is our RCP tutorial broken up into steps :-)
[13:47:20] <philk_> paulweb515: thanks! I am currently creating a tutorial series myself and would like to have them all in one workspace
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[13:50:20] <philk_> paulweb515: hmmm my layout is a little different. I would have subfolders with other subfolders (for each bundle) inside them. Importing them all into one workspace results in name-clashes
[13:51:16] <philk_> paulweb515: or could I switch the workspace view to "bundle name" instead of folder name? Or use workingsets as toplevel elements?
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[13:51:40] <paulweb515> philk_: IIRC we had to create all of the bundles with different names in one workspace (rcpmail-1, rcpmail-2, etc) ... it looks like we even changed the bundle ids
[13:52:15] <sleon> how to define the size of the image in the column label provider
[13:52:23] <sleon> or its position
[13:52:49] <paulweb515> philk_: the problem is fundamental.  All projects are in the root of the workspace, and the name of the projects must be unique (this is stored in the .project properties, the directory doesn't matter)
[13:53:39] <paulweb515> sleon: you mean which column it's for?  Or a position like an SWT position?  You can't do the latter, AFAIK
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[13:56:23] <_spm_Draget> That is the SECOND TIME I tried moving my workspace folder, and it broke all settings and configuration en eclipse GRR! Lucky I have backups... but it is highly annoying. Simply moving the projects did not work, and the second time I tried switching the workspace first with the copying settings option, then move my projects. And everything is messed up again!
[13:56:27] <_spm_Draget> So annoying.
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[13:58:20] <rcjsuen> If you had projects in your workspace's folder then you just moved it with 'mv', then that wouldn't go well, no.
[13:59:21] <sleon> paulweb515: i mean the position of the image in the column
[13:59:32] <sleon> paulweb515: and the siye of the image
[13:59:35] <rcjsuen> sleon: You would have to use owner draw for that and draw it yourself I suppose.
[14:00:26] <sleon> rcjsuen: paulweb515 i have one and same image in two same initialiyed tableviewers columns . thez look differentlz
[14:00:50] <sleon> rcjsuen: what is owner draw?
[14:00:52] <rcjsuen> Sounds like you went from a DE->EN keyboard or an EN->DE keyboard or something.
[14:00:59] <sleon> hehe
[14:01:37] <rcjsuen> owner draw would consist of handling paint events manually and drawing manually
[14:01:47] <rcjsuen> there may be a jface label provider for that but i'm not sure about images
[14:02:10] <sleon> and where should this owner draw be placed?
[14:04:08] <rcjsuen> on your Table/Tree
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[14:04:15] <rcjsuen> you can check the ~snippets
[14:04:24] <rcjsuen> And I believe there's an article on eclipse.org about owner draw
[14:05:02] <sleon> http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-CustomDrawingTableAndTreeItems/index.html
[14:05:15] <sleon> you mean this one ?
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[14:05:41] <sleon> ~snippets
[14:06:09] <rcjsuen> yes, that one
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[14:06:17] <rcjsuen> check swt's site for the snippets
[14:07:33] <sleon> thx
[14:13:28] <yann> uh, is it normal that the help window gets frozen when I have a prefs dialog open, and that I thus cannot paste any text from the help to the prefs ?  tastes like a single-threaded app :}
[14:15:07] <philk_> paulweb515: you are right, even with Workingsets... project with the same name, cannot co-exist. It would be nice if the name of the IProject for the tree would not be the bundle-name but a combination of bundle-name - bundle-version
[14:17:46] <philk_> I believe one could change the project representation in the workbench tree... but I cannot find it anymore
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[14:19:03] <rcjsuen> it's either sets or projects, no more, no less
[14:19:08] <rcjsuen> you can drill down...but that doesn't count
[14:21:00] <philk_> rcjsuen: I mean, I believe you could choose between project name and bundle name
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[14:21:13] <rcjsuen> Nvr heard of that one.
[14:21:15] <philk_> rcjsuen: or "Plugin Name" as it was called
[14:21:27] <rcjsuen> But I may have been living a lie.
[14:21:30] <rcjsuen> It's been happening a lot lately. :)
[14:21:47] <philk_> rcjsuen: you still believe that, huh? :)
[14:21:58] <rcjsuen> philk_: Believe what in particular.
[14:22:02] <rcjsuen> I believe in a lot of things. ;)
[14:22:12] <philk_> rcjsuen: that you have been living a lie
[14:22:30] <rcjsuen> That is the term I use when things I believe to be true are proven false, that is correct.
[14:22:38] <philk_> rcjsuen: I know
[14:22:52] <rcjsuen> philk_: So yes, I believe I have been living a lie on numerous occasions.
[14:23:40] <sleon> how to find out the coloumn index of a table column
[14:23:55] <sleon> are there any methods for it?
[14:24:29] <rcjsuen> sleon: Isn't there an indexOf method?
[14:24:32] <philk_> sleon: no, you have to ask the parent of the column for it
[14:25:13] <sleon> rcjsuen: right
[14:25:29] <sleon> philk_: oh ok
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[14:28:12] <philk_> can I export a set of bundles and the run config as a native (console) executable?
[14:28:59] <erdal> how can i obtain the workbench window configurer?
[14:29:04] <erdal> at runtime
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[14:30:56] <erdal> is providing it in my workbench window advisor the correct way?
[14:32:06] <philk_> from the IWorkbenchWindow, erdal
[14:32:37] <erdal> philk_: there is no getConfigurer(), or the like
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[14:36:59] <philk_> erdal: right, you get it inside your WindowAdvisor
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[14:37:26] <erdal> philk_, it is protected
[14:37:43] <philk_> erdal: you get it handed in
[14:37:57] <philk_> erdal: you do not provide your own. You set the properties on the one you get
[14:38:25] * rcjsuen has a feeling these two are having a miscommunication problem.
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[14:38:53] <erdal> no, rcjsuen, it is ok :-)
[14:39:13] <yesudeep> I'm trying to install new plugins into Eclipse 3.5 on a Karmic Koala Ubuntu Linux 9.10 64-bit installation, but the new software installation dialog doesn't display anything in the "available software" components list.  Also, many times I'm unable to press either Cancel, Next, or Finish, which leaves me with no option other than killing eclipse.  Are there any workarounds for this?  The latter issue also occurs on OS X.
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[14:39:32] <NoobFukaure> wtg freenode
[14:39:37] <NoobFukaure> lol, I wonder when this will end
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[14:40:49] <paulweb515> yesudeep: /topic ... there's an entry in the FAQ about your button problem
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[14:41:28] <rcjsuen> That's like the second time I've heard someone bring up the problem on OS X though, rather odd.
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[14:45:34] <philk_> rcjsuen: look at "General Plug-in Development Preferences" there you can setup how plugins are presented in the UI
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[14:50:58] <philk_> how can I rename a project *without* renaming the folder its located in?
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[14:53:19] <philk_> is there a possibility to have the label provider of projects show their bundle-name + bundle-version in the package explorer?
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[15:04:49] <paulweb515> philk_: when I try within eclipse it renames both.  If you simply change the name in the .project file, that would work (although manually update the file would imply manually updating dependencies)
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[15:05:24] <jonalv> okey this is silly, I have a checkbox, how do I get the calue? There is no isChecked...
[15:05:30] <philk_> paulweb515: what dependencies you mean? I have not set any project dependencies myself
[15:05:49] <paulweb515> philk_: or the ones you get for free if they're bundles
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[15:06:06] <pj_> hi all
[15:06:26] <philk_> paulweb515: so thats not a good idea to rename the project name?
[15:06:39] <philk_> paulweb515: I am not using "require-bundle" or such btw
[15:06:44] <pj_> I downloaded eclipse for php as a tar.gz and it apears to contains eclipse files, but I don't know where to install these. can someone help ?
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[15:07:04] <paulweb515> philk_: then it might not matter as much (but it's still foolin' around with the system below the eclipse level)
[15:07:29] <paulweb515> philk_: I would do it the way it was done in the zip ... multiple copies of the projects with different names/bundle ids to keep them separate
[15:08:08] <erdal> the toggle coolbar visibitility command does not work
[15:09:22] <rcjsuen> jonalv: getSelection()?
[15:09:43] <jonalv> rcjsuen: ah I thought that was like higlighted
[15:09:48] <rcjsuen> pj_: untar, ./eclipse
[15:09:49] <jonalv> turns out I was wrong...
[15:10:04] <rcjsuen> jonalv: you use that method for SWT.CHECK and SWT.RADIO
[15:10:30] <pj_> <pj> is there a directory which is meant to contains applications ?
[15:10:39] <jonalv> rcjsuen: yes so it seems after having read the javadoc from that method ( I got fooled byt the method name...)
[15:10:51] <jonalv> the sad thing is that I think it was the second time too... :(
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[15:12:04] <erdal> is that command supposed to work as-is?
[15:12:14] <rcjsuen> jonalv: It can be confusing since it's just Button and not CheckBoxButton or RadioButton or whatever
[15:12:16] <erdal> or are there any prerequisites?
[15:12:51] <jonalv> rcjsuen: yea it's just that when comming from point and click drawing programs selected means having focus to me...
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[15:13:05] <jonalv> but selected != having focus
[15:13:45] <TodC> paulweb515 ping
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[15:19:09] <philk_> paulweb515: but in the zip I only see *one* bundle in each folder...
[15:20:00] <paulweb515> philk_: in the zip there should be a directory named "steps" ... in that directory, they have multiple projects for each step (just named differently)
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[15:22:03] <hummyhummy> Hi, I've a problem with Software Install. I tried Eclipse Galileo. No information with -debug option. Can anybody help me?
[15:22:18] <philk_> paulweb515: I saw that. As I say... its only *one* project. My steps consist of several bundles for each step. So I guess I would have 01/ui.notification-01, 01/ui.notification.command-01/ .... 02/ui.notification-02, 02/ui.notification.command-02  etc
[15:22:32] <rcjsuen> Explaining what your "problem" is would be a good start I suppose. No one knows if they can help if they don't understand your problem.
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[15:24:42] <hummyhummy> I've installed Eclipse and I wuold install PDT. I saw list of package, select, but when press "Next" button Eclipse do nothing.
[15:25:15] <rcjsuen> hummyhummy: Did you try using the keyboard instead of the mouse? Like Alt+N.
[15:25:19] <rcjsuen> What OS are you on anyway
[15:25:26] <erdal> configurer.setShowCoolBar() will prevent the toggle coolbar action to work
[15:25:36] <paulweb515> philk_: it should be 2 bundles
[15:26:01] <paulweb515> (with multiple steps, the second bundle added after the first few steps of rcpmail)
[15:26:03] <erdal> if i use WorkbenchWIndow.toggleToolbarVisibility(), this will work
[15:26:10] <hummyhummy> rcjsuen, no. I try now. I use Debian GNU/Linux
[15:26:23] <erdal> in pre/postWindowOpen
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[15:27:52] <hect> hi!
[15:28:48] <hect> I would like to use a png image (with transparencies) using java + swt, but, for some reason the transparent parts appear to be black. any idea?
[15:31:42] <erdal> hect, did you try to open that image in another viewer?
[15:31:48] <erdal> like your browser
[15:31:56] <hect> yeah
[15:32:06] <erdal> there, it is correct?
[15:32:06] <hect> and photoshop as well
[15:32:09] <hect> yes
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[15:34:18] <erdal> hect, provide a snippet to show how you display the image...
[15:35:39] <rcjsuen> hummyhummy: Did the kb work?
[15:35:58] <erdal> hect, there is ~bug 272710
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[15:35:59] <hummyhummy> rcjsuen, yes, Now it's installing
[15:36:29] <hummyhummy> rcjsuen, I spent whole morning to search a solution. Thank you
[15:37:31] <sleon> hmm
[15:37:41] <sleon> rcjsuen: paulweb515 hmm, custom drawing is soooooo slow
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[15:38:54] <rcjsuen> yeah, it can be
[15:39:27] <rcjsuen> hummyhummy: Your linux button problem is described in the FAQ, see channel topic. There are pointers to bugs + workaround.
[15:40:02] <hummyhummy> rcjsuen, uhm! I didn't know.
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[15:40:40] <rcjsuen> hummyhummy: I was just saying if you want more information you can go there. Based on the diagnosis it seems you ahve the same problem, so... :)
[15:40:56] <NoobFukaure> who are the bastards who introduced that bug
[15:41:11] <NoobFukaure> It seems like it was the gtk+ people
[15:41:22] <rcjsuen> or if you don't care and can live with the keyboard then it's not a big deal and you don't have to read it per se ;)
[15:42:47] <hummyhummy> rcjsuen, social networking teach that before to ask you had to read docs and FAQs! I'm sorry. But thank you
[15:42:50] <sleon> NoobFukaure: looool
[15:42:57] <hect> erdal: what's the standard way to show a png image?
[15:43:02] <sleon> NoobFukaure: i did it
[15:43:17] <hect> what if I want an image on top of another image? using swt
[15:43:18] <NoobFukaure> you bastard!
[15:43:19] <erdal> hect, i would use a canvas
[15:43:20] <sleon> for your pleasure of course
[15:43:27] <sleon> NoobFukaure: joke :)
[15:43:42] <NoobFukaure> oh back peddle now my friend
[15:43:45] <NoobFukaure> ;)
[15:43:45] <erdal> ok cannot do this
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[15:44:38] <cord> hi, it seems i can't push on any button on eclipse wizards with my mouse, i've to press on enter key to move on
[15:45:01] <rcjsuen> cord: Are you on Linux?
[15:45:07] <cord> rcjsuen, yes
[15:45:12] <rcjsuen> what a coin-kee-dink, considering we just addressed this question minutse ago
[15:45:26] <rcjsuen> The linux button problem is described in the FAQ, see channel topic. There are pointers to bugs + workaround.
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[15:45:56] <cord> rcjsuen, okay i'll check it and get back to you. thanks
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[15:49:08] <cord> rcjsuen, "The buttons problem should be fixed in both the 3.6 stream and the 3.5.2 stream." does it mean the "GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=true" won't cut it ?
[15:49:26] <rcjsuen> well, if you're on 3.5.0 or 3.5.1 you can use the workaround
[15:49:31] <rcjsuen> and it should resolve your buttons problem
[15:50:18] <rcjsuen> if you use a 3.6 dev build / 3.5.2 maintenance build that env var should not be required
[15:50:52] <cord> rcjsuen, it worked for 3.5.1 smoothly
[15:51:14] <cord> hmm rcjsuen are the pydev, scala plugins compatible for 3.6 ? to move to ?
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[15:51:26] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[15:51:29] <rcjsuen> I don't do Python or Scala.
[15:52:12] <cord> hmm very well. thanks again i think i'll stick to the current version
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[15:59:57] <ercanlier> hi i have one problem about converting String value to Long in databinding, 33209,09 ->33209,08 can anyone help me?
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[16:07:49] <ercanlier> where can i get information about this? please help, JFace databinding
[16:08:50] <rcjsuen> the wiki page might have something as there are snippets there
[16:09:00] <rcjsuen> you could also try posting on the forums
[16:09:02] <erdal> maybe, the display value is just formatted this way, ercanlier
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[16:10:26] <rcjsuen> It's not clear to me why you'd want 33209,09 to magically become 33209,08
[16:11:43] <rcjsuen> Actually, why would a long have decimal values anyway? :o
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[16:22:33] <Neldo> hi there, how do i get the position of the cursor when the textwidget is in block-selection-mode?
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[16:25:45] <Neldo> i have block-selection-mode on and the caret is positioned after the regular text... but i would like to find out how far to insert the whitespaces inbetween to prevent the caret from jumping backwars
[16:25:49] <Neldo> *backwards
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[16:31:15] <martyndev> Hi
[16:31:35] <martyndev> Hello :D I need to reference a dll to my eclipse, can you help me with that? ..
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[16:32:52] <[eXception]> jira connector does not appear in task repositories, after I installed the connector
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[16:35:53] <Guest9487> >	hello, i am new to the eclipse environment...is it always slow on linux (i'm running FC12)?
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[16:36:16] <erdal> martyndev, you mean link dll in your java application?
[16:36:44] <martyndev> yep erdal
[16:36:53] <ilyak> Is there something for eclipse that would let you use irb (ruby interpreter) in context of a current project?
[16:36:57] <ilyak> Because developing without immediate is ten times less comfortable than developing with immediate
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[16:37:02] <erdal> martyndev, search for jna
[16:37:07] <ilyak> or rhino, or beanshell, or whatever
[16:37:10] <Guest9487> hello, i am new to the eclipse environment...is it always slow on linux (i'm running FC12)?
[16:37:20] <Alberth> yeah yeah
[16:37:35] <Alberth> no it is not much more than expected here
[16:37:42] <Guest9487> Alberth: is that to me?
[16:37:49] <Alberth> yes
[16:37:49] <martyndev> erdal: Java Native Access?
[16:38:04] <erdal> yes
[16:38:11] <Alberth> Guest9487: check that you are not using much swap space
[16:39:05] <Alberth> Guest9487: I don't like it when people think they should get a response in about 30 seconds
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[16:39:57] <Alberth> Guest9487: if it is not swap, check the CPU usage.
[16:40:05] <NoobFukaure> Guest9487: what kind of hardware are you using? cpu and ram wise?
[16:40:11] <Alberth> one of them is likely to be thje problem
[16:40:33] <Guest9487> NoobFukaure: Core 2 Duo 1gb ram
[16:41:11] <Guest9487> i want to know whether eclipse is generally slow or whether i have messed up the install
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[16:44:49] <Guest9487> one more point, i installed a version of eclipse called Fedore Eclipse (i guess its distributed by redhat)
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[16:45:16] <[eXception]> can someone help? jira connector does not appear in task repositories, after I installed the connector
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[16:50:14] <ilyak> How could they make EclipseShell so lame
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[16:50:26] <ilyak> They had to do one step to make it useful, and failed that
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[16:51:03] <Yiv> Hi, I'm trying to set a tab width to 2 and have it replaced with white space in General->Editors->Text Editors but it doesn't provide the changes (3.5.1/Linux). It still indents 4-white space tab.
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[16:53:54] <toulmean> ilyak: EclipseShell ?
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[16:58:47] <Yiv> Nevermind, Windows->Preferences->Java->Code Style->Formatter [Edit]->Identation
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[17:08:14] <ilyak_> toulmean: There's a plugin called eclipseshell
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[17:08:36] <ilyak_> Which looks very cool before you realise that it's actually a toy
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[18:00:45] <NoobFukaure> for my eclipse-based app (not really ecp, it's basically most of eclipse), how can I customize the default workbench
[18:00:53] <NoobFukaure> like which perspectives are shown by default, etc
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[18:01:18] <NoobFukaure> I'm searching through the docs for workbench defaults, etc but nothing seems to be related
[18:01:31] <rcjsuen__> perspective shortcuts dictate what shows up in the submenu
[18:01:49] <rcjsuen__> initial perspective can be customized in an ini file or something I think
[18:02:23] <rcjsuen__> There's also a get method that defines the initial perspective but I think that can only be used for rcp apps.
[18:02:46] <NoobFukaure> ah okay this will work fine with my product project! :)
[18:02:47] <NoobFukaure> org.eclipse.ui/defaultPerspectiveId=com.mycompany.myplugin.MyPerspective1
[18:02:52] <NoobFukaure> goes in the ini
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[18:03:02] <NoobFukaure> thanks!
[18:03:29] <rcjsuen__> NoobFukaure: Would you mind adding an entry in the FAQ? http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Plug-in_Development_FAQ
[18:03:49] <NoobFukaure> sure no problem
[18:03:53] <rcjsuen__> Thanks.
[18:04:04] <rcjsuen__> at least 50% of those questions are from IRC users ;)
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[18:12:07] <finemann> hello, i am about to to install eclipse on fedora 12...but i'm overwhelmed by the packages related to eclipse in the add/remove list...which are the ones i should install (I NEED ECLIPSE TO WORK WITH JAVA ONLY)
[18:13:14] <NoobFukaure> so far it looks like org.eclipse.ui/defaultPerspectiveId=perspective.id isn't work in the ini :(
[18:13:20] <NoobFukaure> I wonder if that's out of date now
[18:14:03] <rcjsuen__> finemann: You may get some help in #fedora-java or #eclipse-linux. No need for caps. :)
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[18:15:03] <finemann> rcjsuen__: i used the caps to emphasize, i wasn't shouting :/
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[18:16:04] <rcjsuen__> NoobFukaure: Think if that was canned there'd be a torrent of flames.
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[18:16:43] <philk_> njbartlett: did you already have such "eclipse tools" project setup somewhere? I would like to contribute my ISelection helpers
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[18:17:34] <rcjsuen__> NoobFukaure: it sounds ilke it's still used http://wiki.eclipse.org/EPP/Galileo_Packages
[18:17:54] <NoobFukaure> yeah it's documented too with plugin_customization.ini
[18:18:10] <NoobFukaure> I'm running some debug stuff to see why my product isn't working
[18:18:38] <NoobFukaure> it's strange, the perspective itself shows up fine in perspectives, seemingly with out any errors
[18:18:40] <NoobFukaure> so far ;)
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[18:21:23] <paulweb515> finemann: if you are using the distro, there is usually a set of packages ... something with eclipse-sdk and at the very least that includes eclipse jdt
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[18:28:08] <rcjsuen__> looks like finemann alrdy left the channel
[18:30:14] <paulweb515> apparently
[18:30:18] <paulweb515> oh well
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[18:38:19] <nitind> And who really only ever wants Eclipse to work with Java?
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[18:43:29] <paulweb515> I'd be close ... if I didn't need PDE to contribute back to eclipse :-)
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[18:47:45] <NoobFukaure> ahh, I see now
[18:48:01] <NoobFukaure> I thought plugin_customization.ini was some kind of build time resource, used to customize plugin output
[18:48:14] <NoobFukaure> looks like it's used at runtime to override default values and has to be specified
[18:48:18] <NoobFukaure> at least I hope, building now ;)
[18:49:58] <NoobFukaure> fail :(
[18:50:00] * NoobFukaure cries
[18:53:25] <NoobFukaure> hmm
[18:53:39] <NoobFukaure> looks like it needs to be accessible on the fs from the executable and have a valid path
[18:53:43] <NoobFukaure> you can't just use like a plugin url
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[19:09:37] <NoobFukaure> I'm exporting a bundle with: Eclipse-BundleShape: dir in my manifest
[19:09:40] <NoobFukaure> yet I'm getting a jar anyway
[19:11:35] <NoobFukaure> ah it was my feature settings overriding it
[19:14:41] <NoobFukaure> or not
[19:16:18] * rcjsuen__ didn't even know there was a Eclipse-BundleShape.
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[19:17:33] <toulmean> rcjsuen: Eclipse-BundleShape ?
[19:17:40] <rcjsuen> That's what NoobFukaure just said.
[19:17:49] <toulmean> rcjsuen: oh.
[19:17:54] <rcjsuen> Nvr heard of it myself.
[19:17:57] <NoobFukaure> it's strange, it's worked before
[19:18:12] <NoobFukaure> and I changed my feature entry to unpack="true"
[19:18:16] <NoobFukaure> and it's still making a jar
[19:18:17] <toulmean> rcjsuen: Eclipse-BundleThingy ? lemme google that stuff. First time ever I hear about it.
[19:18:57] <toulmean> NoobFukaure: you know unpack is not related to jars or zips or anything. You'll get a jar anyway.
[19:19:10] <toulmean> NoobFukaure: unpack is about pack200 compression.
[19:19:30] <NoobFukaure> well I ended up just removing the plugin from the feature and manually added to my product... and got a jar anyway ;)
[19:20:00] <NoobFukaure> but other plugins are getting setup as a folder, not sure what magic they're using to cause that
[19:20:06] <NoobFukaure> could be their classpath?
[19:20:08] <nitind> NoobFukaure: The Export Deployable plug-ins and fragments wizard has an Options tab at the bottom that says whether to use JARs or not.
[19:20:25] <nitind> (at least in 3.6M3)
[19:20:53] <NoobFukaure> ah, I'm using 3.5.1
[19:21:02] <NoobFukaure> so it must be just hard coded on current stable then?
[19:21:06] <nitind> It might be there, who knows?
[19:21:16] <Chip_Zero> btw, about that, when unpack is not specified, what determines if a plugin is unpacked or not?
[19:21:18] <NoobFukaure> well there's no option like that
[19:21:35] <rcjsuen> I would think the default is to have a regular jar instead of an exploded one.
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[19:21:58] <Chip_Zero> I had one plugin crash and burn the other day because Eclipse decided not specifying the option it meant "true" when it meant "false" before
[19:22:27] <nitind> NoobFukaure: http://help.eclipse.org/galileo/topic/org.eclipse.pde.doc.user/guide/tools/export_wizards/export_plugins.htm ?  "Options" section.
[19:23:30] <nitind> Chip_Zero: Gotta read those release notes.
[19:24:12] <NoobFukaure> oh I'm sorry, I was looking at the Product export wizard
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[19:24:22] <NoobFukaure> I'm not exporting any plugins/features directly, it's all through products
[19:24:55] <Chip_Zero> nitind: release notes? for 3.5? 3.5.1? I can't seem to find anything related to it
[19:25:16] <nitind> Chip_Zero: http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/readme_eclipse_3.5.html , for one
[19:25:47] <NoobFukaure> oh hell
[19:26:22] <nitind> NoobFukaure: So why are as-jars bad for you?
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[19:26:47] <NoobFukaure> well I need to use -pluginCustomization path/to/my/plugin_customization.ini
[19:27:01] <NoobFukaure> with my program arguments
[19:27:12] <NoobFukaure> so I need a filesystem path, not something in a jar
[19:27:34] <NoobFukaure> and there's no easy way I can see to put my plugin_customization.ini in the root directory, so I put it in a plugin
[19:27:50] <NoobFukaure> and I'm going to specify a relative path to the plugin dir
[19:28:28] <nitind> NoobFukaure: Then try putting it into a feature.  Those aren't jars, right?
[19:29:03] <NoobFukaure> I originally did, but it made a jar anyway
[19:29:15] <NoobFukaure> however, I just found an option in the feature editor to unpack after installation
[19:29:21] <Chip_Zero> nitind: sorry, but could you be a bit more specific?
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[19:29:23] <NoobFukaure> which appears to just remove the unpack attribute
[19:29:30] <NoobFukaure> in the feature.xml
[19:29:40] <NoobFukaure> AND that works for other plugins in the feature, so I hope I"m on the right track ;)
[19:29:42] <Chip_Zero> it says "PDE will NOT unzip source zips of some plug-ins," but nothing about unzipping when it didn't before afaict
[19:29:53] <nitind> NoobFukaure: None of my features are jars.  Is this just the version it makes for an update site?
[19:29:58] <rhk> NoobFukaure: what plugin needs to have an ini file?
[19:30:43] <NoobFukaure> I'm exporting a customized eclipse distro, with our tools and other 3rd party plugins. I created a product that exports org.eclipse.platform.ide
[19:30:51] <nitind> Chip_Zero: Not without knowing exactly what it was that broke your plug-in.  http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/readme_eclipse_3.5.html is the Release Notes for Eclipse 3.5, for example.
[19:30:54] <NoobFukaure> So I've been working on changing the default perspective
[19:31:01] <NoobFukaure> with org.eclipse.ui/defaultPerspectiveId=com.mycompany.myplugin.MyPerspectiveId
[19:31:06] <NoobFukaure> in a plugin_customization.ini
[19:31:11] <Chip_Zero> nitind: well the thing is that I've been using 3.5 for over a month
[19:31:14] <nitind> NoobFukaure: You can specify that one in the eclipse.ini.
[19:31:20] <Chip_Zero> everything worked fine, I did a couple of releases of my plugin
[19:31:30] <Chip_Zero> then things broke and I went into debugging hell once again
[19:31:54] <nitind> Chip_Zero: what true/false flipped?
[19:32:02] <NoobFukaure> nitind: do you mean the default perspective property or the -pluginCustomization ?
[19:32:09] <nitind> NoobFukaure: The perspective.
[19:32:11] <Chip_Zero> the unzipping occurred with a client eclipse 3.4.2 and  with a client eclipse 3.5
[19:32:13] <NoobFukaure> oh damn, haha
[19:32:27] <Chip_Zero> nitind: well feature.xml didn't specify the "unpack" option
[19:33:31] <NoobFukaure> nitind: are there docs on how I add it? is it just like org.eclipse.ui/defaultPerspectiveId=com.mycompany.myplugin.MyPerspectiveId ?
[19:33:39] <NoobFukaure> I guess I could try it
[19:34:00] <nitind> NoobFukaure: It's the -perspective switch.
[19:34:35] <Chip_Zero> nitind: it didn't specify the "unpack" option since 2008 (for whatever reason), according to my svn logs
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[19:37:02] <mr9812734> hi guys
[19:38:13] <NoobFukaure> nitind: THANK YOU! -perspective works wonders
[19:38:30] <NoobFukaure> I was kind of unhappy about having this extra plugin that's only purpose was supply that ini
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[19:44:09] <mr9812734> i have a little problem and not really sure if it is eclipse or c++ related:
[19:44:11] <mr9812734> i am using: win7 64bit, mingw 5.1.6 and eclipse cdt
[19:44:12] <mr9812734> created a hello world project which is compiling and running.
[19:44:14] <mr9812734> when trying to link a library i get an error:
[19:44:15] <mr9812734> g++ -LC:\Users\mr\workspace\HW\Debug -oHW.exe src\HW.o -llibtest.dll
[19:44:17] <mr9812734> C:\MinGW\bin\..\lib\gcc\mingw32\3.4.5\..\..\..\..\mingw32\bin\ld.exe: cannot find -llibtest.dll
[19:44:19] <mr9812734> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[19:44:20] <mr9812734> Build error occurred, build is stopped
[19:44:21] <mr9812734> is this an eclipse configuration problem or am i doing something terribly wrong?
[19:44:50] <fooood> Hi. The CSS editor on windows 7 64-bit is very slow. I type CSS faster than it writes on the screen. Any help?
[19:45:02] <fooood> I updated the Eclipse + Eclipse PDT today.
[19:45:30] <fooood> Version: http://screensnapr.com/u/eq53ly.png
[19:45:54] <nitind> fooood: Try closing the Properties and Outline views.
[19:46:21] <fooood> From where?
[19:47:05] <fooood> Still low nitind.
[19:47:07] <fooood> slow*
[19:49:03] <nitind> fooood: How big is this file?  That editor's usually pretty responsive for me.
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[19:49:21] <fooood> 30 kb
[19:49:40] <fooood> nitind: 30kb
[19:50:11] <nitind> fooood: Not all on one line, right?
[19:50:18] <fooood> Nope
[19:50:30] <fooood> nitind: hell no :P
[19:50:37] <nitind> Dojo's tundra.css at 60k runs perfectly well for me.
[19:51:03] <fooood> I upgraded to the latest version today and it is still happening for me.
[19:51:11] <fooood> I even re-created the project.
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[19:51:35] <nitind> fooood: The CSS editor doesn't care about project setups.
[19:51:51] <d_a_carver> any idea why my breakpoint markers have a line through them?
[19:51:58] <nitind> d_a_carver: Disabled?
[19:52:08] <d_a_carver> nitind: nope enabled.
[19:52:20] <fooood> nitind: you can check the behaviour @ http://screenr.com/DVU
[19:52:30] <nitind> d_a_carver: Check the Breakpoints view to see whether the Skip All Breakpoints button is on.
[19:52:56] <nitind> fooood: What kind of machine is this, and how much memory does Eclipse have versus everything else you're doing in it?
[19:53:14] 
[19:53:21] <fooood> nitind ^
[19:53:33] <fooood> nitind.. how do you do that?
[19:53:41] <fooood> nitind .. php and html editor is working perfectly fine.
[19:54:04] <fooood> nitind > http://screensnapr.com/u/yvyyvw.png
[19:54:05] <d_a_carver> nitind: Ah...yeah it was...don't know how that got set.
[19:54:08] <fooood> memory usage
[19:54:44] <nitind> fooood: Then I'm not sure what would slow it down like that.  What's the maximum it's allowed to use (your command line or eclipse.ini would say)?
[19:54:57] <d_a_carver> fooood: you can also turn on your Java Heap Space monitor in Preferences->General
[19:55:28] <fooood> explain d_a_carver
[19:55:29] <d_a_carver> fooood: what version of WTP are you using.
[19:55:35] <fooood> WTP?
[19:55:43] <d_a_carver> Or PDT
[19:55:52] <d_a_carver> PDT uses WTP for the CSS editor.
[19:56:02] <fooood> pdt
[19:56:08] <nitind> d_a_carver: Based on Galileo, I would think.  My Core Duo at 2.16 runs it perfectly well.
[19:56:09] <d_a_carver> what version of pdt?
[19:56:16] <fooood> One minute
[19:56:27] <fooood> eclipse.ini file nitind > http://pastebin.com/d25169829
[19:56:41] <fooood> d_a_carver http://screensnapr.com/u/eq53ly.png
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[19:57:11] <d_a_carver> fooood: I think you are hitting gc.
[19:57:17] <fooood> gc?
[19:57:23] <d_a_carver> ~memory
[19:57:44] <fooood> current memory usage by eclipse > http://screensnapr.com/u/b2myj4.png
[19:57:44] <d_a_carver> basically can you paste your eclipse.ini file...
[19:57:45] <nitind> d_a_carver: It looked like he was only halfway there.
[19:58:16] <fooood> d_a_carver, eclipse.ini file > http://pastebin.com/d25169829
[19:58:27] <fooood> d_a_carver, current memory usage > http://screensnapr.com/u/b2myj4.png
[19:58:41] <fooood> I have 4 GB Ram.
[19:58:46] <fooood> Memory Load: 45%
[19:59:13] <d_a_carver> foood: update your ini file so that -Xms512m -Xmx512m
[19:59:35] <d_a_carver> fooood: then restart your eclipse instance.
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[20:00:13] <rcjsuen> fooood: Did you try turning off folding?
[20:00:25] <fooood> rcjsuen.. yep I did
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[20:01:07] <d_a_carver> fooood: increasing the inital and max heapspace should help which is what the ini settings I gave you do.
[20:01:27] <fooood> ok I have updated the ini file d_a_carver .. let me test it out
[20:01:41] <fooood> still same d_a_carver
[20:01:52] <d_a_carver> may need to completely exit out of eclipse, instead of just restart.
[20:02:13] <fooood> I did exit and restart
[20:02:36] <fooood> still same .. d_a_carver .. i tried again
[20:02:49] <fooood> d_a_carver .. new eclipse.ini file http://pastebin.com/d5ebf3d83
[20:03:18] <d_a_carver> fooood: need to change you -Xms40m to -Xms512m
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[20:03:37] <d_a_carver> fooood: keep the -Xmx512m as well.
[20:04:15] <fooood> still not fixed d_a_carver.
[20:04:49] <rcjsuen> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=158877
[20:05:13] <d_a_carver> Can you enable the Heap Space monitor.  Preferences->General->Show Heap Space
[20:06:01] <d_a_carver> unfortunately there are a ton of notifications being fired during that editor.
[20:06:36] <fooood> d_a_carver http://screensnapr.com/u/fmzbo2.png
[20:07:15] <d_a_carver> it still acts like it is only having a -Xms40m set.
[20:07:29] <d_a_carver> fooood: as that initial usage should be much higher.
[20:08:10] <fooood> it says max: 508 M
[20:08:12] <fooood> d_a_carver
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[20:08:32] <fooood> d_a_carver .. when i mouse over the heap status monitor .. it says 22M of total 508M
[20:08:44] <d_a_carver> fooood: right...but the initial usage should be much higher than 22M.
[20:09:13] <d_a_carver> fooood: can you pastebin your ini file again.
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[20:10:12] <fooood> d_a_carver http://pastebin.com/d7da59b7d
[20:10:33] <Asad> actually fooood ... try going back to -Xms40m and see the heap usage then
[20:10:55] <Asad> if there's no difference between when the changes are made, then it's not working ... :S
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[20:11:14] <fooood> changed
[20:11:20] <fooood> it is showing 24 M / 40 M now
[20:11:27] <fooood> http://screensnapr.com/u/o2r3ve.png
[20:11:30] <rcjsuen> It really should only matter at startup. If it's settled down then it's...settled down, and shouldn't really matter anymore.
[20:12:01] <fooood> Asad http://screensnapr.com/u/o2r3ve.png
[20:12:04] <rhk> I use -Xms40m -Xmx512m, and have not had such problems, and I run a really heavy installation of eclipse
[20:12:21] <fooood> :(
[20:12:23] <Asad> Same .. it's probably something else
[20:12:38] <Asad> try disabling the outline view, fooood
[20:12:41] <rcjsuen> rhk: You don't have problems with the CSS editor I suppose?
[20:12:41] <Asad> and code folding
[20:12:45] <d_a_carver> fooood: did you try not having the properties view
[20:13:11] <rhk> I've used it, and I think I remember it being kind of slow. I think it might be implementation.
[20:13:12] <fooood> I have disabled outline view d_a_carver .. and code folding too Asad.
[20:13:25] <Asad> properties view, fooood ?
[20:13:27] <rcjsuen> i suggested turning off folding, both folding and the 'properties' view is mentioned in the bug
[20:13:44] <fooood> what is properties view?
[20:13:46] <fooood> :x
[20:13:46] <Asad> oh yea, that's the same view.
[20:13:50] <fooood> k
[20:14:00] <rcjsuen> 'Outline' != 'Properties'
[20:14:11] <fooood> hmm what is properties view?
[20:14:15] <rcjsuen> tho i dunno if it matters for CSS editing
[20:14:17] <d_a_carver> fooood: full screen shot?
[20:14:40] <rcjsuen> If you don't know what it is then you probably don't have it open :)
[20:14:40] <fooood> one minute
[20:14:42] <Asad> oh yeah, it's probably not enabled if you don't know what it is xD
[20:14:49] <rhk> rcjsuen: yes, I can type ahead of the css editor with a 2.6K css file
[20:15:03] <nitind>  Bizarre.
[20:15:32] <Asad> that's exactly the issue fooood has ...
[20:15:43] <d_a_carver> nitind: I used to experience such problems with the XSD editor (delayed typing), until some of the performance tuning that happend in 3.1
[20:16:00] <fooood> d_a_carver .. full screenshot >> http://screensnapr.com/u/1klr00.png
[20:16:03] <d_a_carver> nitind: even better with 3.2
[20:16:18] <rhk> backspace performance is even worse
[20:16:24] <d_a_carver> yeah, properties view isn't ethere.
[20:16:32] <rhk> cpu doesn't appear to be hit hard though
[20:16:49] <fooood> cpu usage is 5%
[20:16:53] <rhk> (dual core 2.6 GHz)
[20:17:05] <fooood> (total cpu usage not just by eclipse)
[20:17:07] <rhk> file a bug against the css editor in wst
[20:17:29] <nitind> and attach the problematic file.
[20:17:42] * d_a_carver puts on his too do list to run findbugs against css.core and css.ui.
[20:17:43] <rcjsuen> isn't it the same as https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=158877 tho
[20:17:47] <rhk> the file I have is only 2.6K, an has nothing special in it
[20:18:00] <fooood> its 30k file
[20:18:11] <rcjsuen> tho maybe not if folding is disabled
[20:18:11] <d_a_carver> fooood: yeah, just comment on bug 158877 and if you can attach a file that will help.
[20:18:11] <nitind> And yet I have a 60k file that works fine.
[20:18:28] <d_a_carver> nitind: it might have to do with how it is formatted as well.
[20:18:38] <d_a_carver> fooood: if you format the file do you get the same issue?
[20:18:48] <nitind> d_a_carver: Didn't seem to have excessively long lines, so no the platform performance bug.
[20:19:06] <fooood> I get the problem with all css files regardless of formatting
[20:19:17] <d_a_carver> nitind: I'm wonding if it's an offset/region calculation thing.
[20:19:18] <rhk> rcjsuen: turning off folding made it way faster
[20:19:29] <d_a_carver> rhk: yeah, that's been fixed in wtp 3.2
[20:19:29] <fooood> d_a_carver: I get the problem with all css files regardless of formatting
[20:19:45] <nitind> which isn't out, so it should have been off by default.
[20:20:05] <d_a_carver> nitind: yeah..it's off in his screenshot.
[20:20:14] <rhk> also, having the properties view closed improves it, but does not eliminate
[20:20:33] <nitind> So, it does sound like it was ~158877.
[20:21:10] <rhk> for me, yes. I don't edit css often, so I never thought twice about it being slow :)
[20:21:35] <rhk> fooood: you have folding off and the properties view closed, and it's still lagging?
[20:21:55] <fooood> yep
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[20:22:06] <fooood> I just discovered something
[20:22:13] <fooood> one of the css file is working fine
[20:22:38] <fooood> but someone just said that they worked on 60 kb css file fine?
[20:22:53] <rcjsuen> <nitind> And yet I have a 60k file that works fine.
[20:22:56] <nitind> Yes, i did.  Dojo's tundra.css specifically.
[20:23:03] <rhk> fooood: sounds like something in your files is tickling a bug. if you can attach that to file a bug report, it might help
[20:23:20] <rhk> presumably since it's a css file, it's somewhat public :)
[20:23:25] <fooood> css imports?
[20:24:09] <fooood> oh what the hell
[20:24:15] <fooood> the top part of the stylesheet is fine
[20:24:17] <nitind> I could have sworn they were ignored when editing.
[20:24:28] <Asad> did you disable code folding fooood ?
[20:24:56] <fooood> it is enabled for php editor
[20:25:25] <fooood> what the heck it reenabled itself
[20:25:39] <nitind> fooood: Disabled on the Structured Text Editors preference page?
[20:25:44] <fooood> its fast now!! wohooo
[20:26:09] <Asad> yep .. it's code folding
[20:26:39] <fooood> finally! :P
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[20:27:27] <d_a_carver> nitind: we should rethink the global structured folding variable.  If you another perference turns it on, it affects everything apparently.
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[20:27:43] <d_a_carver> nitind: anyways, moot issue with 3.2
[20:27:48] <nitind> d_a_carver: Yeah, I'm downloading the PHP SR1 to make sure that they're not tampering with our preference.
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[20:28:16] <nitind> d_a_carver: Could still be a valid one, from a UI perspective.  Especially with more and more languages being controlled by that one preference.
[20:28:27] <d_a_carver> nitind: if they have their own preference, I think they code potentionally be toggling the global option.
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[20:28:38] <fooood> thanks nitind.. d_a_carver ... Asad and rcjsuen. :)
[20:28:39] <fooood> gn
[20:28:47] <nitind> d_a_carver: Yes, I have a bad feeling about that.
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[20:37:04] <d_a_carver> how do I get the IFile for an editors input.  brain lock.
[20:37:15] <d_a_carver> particularly the active editor
[20:42:23] <nitind> d_a_carver: .getAdapter(IFile or IResource)
[20:43:20] <rcjsuen> retrieve active editor, then proceed from there with what nitind said
[20:43:45] <nitind> d_a_carver: And yeah, it seems that closing the PHP folding preference page with it enabled changes the SSE preference.
[20:43:57] <rcjsuen> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Plug-in_Development_FAQ#How_do_I_get_an_IFile_given_an_IEditorPart_or_IEditorInput.3F
[20:44:01] <rcjsuen> tho i suppose we don't mention IResource there
[20:44:44] <nitind> It's a such a loose "contract" that you can't really tell which will respond as expected.  And then you're hosed if it's not editing a file in the workspace.
[20:45:04] <nitind> And you must allow files outside of the workspace to be edited.
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[21:03:22] <NoobFukaure> is there a way to get a perspective id? plugin spy doesn't seem to help
[21:03:45] <NoobFukaure> Of one that's installed
[21:03:49] <NoobFukaure> a plugin that is
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[21:07:52] <nitind> NoobFukaure: I just grep the plugin.xml files for that extension point's ID.
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[21:08:13] <NoobFukaure> yeah that's basically what I've been doing
[21:08:21] <NoobFukaure> it'd be cool if there was a plugin browser or something
[21:08:23] <nitind> NoobFukaure: You might be able to enable them all for plug-in search and then find the extenders of that extension point through the manifest editor.
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[21:12:21] <rhk> um. isn't there a plugin browser?
[21:12:52] <rhk> "Plug-in registry" view?
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[21:19:31] <rhk> then type "org.eclipse.ui.perspectives" in the filter box
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[21:22:00] <loony_> Hello, I am writing a plugin for eclipse and I want to access the current text from the editor part. I tried IDocument document = part.getDocumentProvider().getDocument(part.getEditorInput()); with no luck..
[21:22:31] <thex00> is it possible to join plugins into a super-duper-zip file and use that as a local archive to update my plugins?
[21:22:45] <thex00> or install at least?
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[21:25:14] <kepler> I'm working on Eclipse customizations for a client.  I'm trying to replace an ILaunchConfigurationTab item.  I had it working using "overrideActionID" in the replacement code's plugin.xml, but I changed something in Eclipse and can't make it work anymore.  (I think it's a classpath issue, but I don't know what changed.)  Is there a better way to do an override?
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[21:30:00] <NoobFukaure> where have you been all my life
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[21:30:49] <kepler> Is there a way to delete a extension through plugin.xml?
[21:31:49] <erdal> kepler, search for eclipse activities
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[21:33:43] <kepler> Thanks.
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[21:51:31] <erdal> ercanlier, fixed your conversion problem?
[21:51:36] <ercanlier> no
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[21:56:56] <kesselhaus> finally... eclipse gets virtual folders...
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[21:57:50] <nitind> kesselhaus: Care to add some context to that?  What does it even mean?
[21:58:03] <rcjsuen> kesselhaus: thanks to contributions from Serge of Freescale and the Eclipse Resources team for getting it in, hopefully it'll be of use to people
[21:59:12] <synx`> Any reason why a jar executable made by file > export does not work when I run it?
[21:59:42] <rcjsuen> synx`: There could be a variety of reasons, some context may help.
[22:00:12] <kesselhaus> nitind: check out the news&noteworthy on 3.6m4
[22:00:13] <synx`> eh, it's a java application, runs fine in eclipse, when i export it loads a blank window
[22:01:04] <rcjsuen> you could check you're using the same JRE in both cases for starters i suppose
[22:01:12] <rcjsuen> and maybe start the app in debug mode and attach the debugger
[22:01:15] <rcjsuen> or add some print statemetns
[22:01:39] <kesselhaus> rcjsuen: an explorer action would be cool, to drop files on such VF and automatically get a linked resource there ;)
[22:01:57] <rcjsuen> Explorer action?
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[22:02:23] <kesselhaus> project explorer action or whatever that
[22:02:36] <rcjsuen> o ok
[22:02:43] <kesselhaus> I'm not really a Java/Eclipse developer
[22:02:49] <rcjsuen> i thot you mean hooking up with the Windows Explorer
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[22:04:00] <kesselhaus> hmm, the resource filter is also nice, only, if you filter, it also takes out any element not matching from the build action..
[22:04:05] <rcjsuen> If you have enhancement requests then I suggest you log them in Bugzilla.
[22:04:23] <kesselhaus> i guess we get something to play again with after a long time ;)
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[22:06:23] <kesselhaus> rcjsuen: i wonder, if you are a member of a eclipse core project
[22:06:33] <rcjsuen> i don't work on the core, i work on the UI
[22:06:41] <nitind> "core" enough.
[22:06:56] <rcjsuen> well, depends on one's definition
[22:06:58] <rcjsuen> but okay you got me
[22:07:08] <nitind> More "core" than I am.
[22:07:21] <kesselhaus> eclipse.ui?
[22:07:34] <rcjsuen> kesselhaus: stuff relating to the workbench, yes
[22:09:11] <kesselhaus> ah... well, i reported to CDT heavily some years ago, but my embedded work tasks @work takes my time.. even some spare time @home
[22:10:55] <kesselhaus> but i prefer Eclipse+CDT as editor/IDE to any other IDE like MSVC or Slickedit... CDT got much better parsing results now
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[22:19:18] <ruffyen> this is a def a noob question, but...I am trying to compile the code and run it in a dos command
[22:19:22] <ruffyen> i cant seem to compile it
[22:19:27] <ruffyen> runs fine inside eclipse
[22:19:39] <ruffyen> dont really know what java compiles to or anything
[22:19:54] <ruffyen> in the workspace\project\bin there is a .class file
[22:20:05] <ruffyen> and in workspace\project\src is a .java file
[22:20:09] <ruffyen> neither runs
[22:20:20] <rcjsuen> Have you ran Java applications from the command line before?
[22:20:23] <ruffyen> and this is a simple hello world program
[22:20:27] <ruffyen> rcjsuen: no
[22:20:34] <rcjsuen> ooo, well then
[22:20:35] <ruffyen> may be part of the issue :)
[22:20:49] <rcjsuen> yes, probably, i started off with the DOS prompt in high school :o
[22:20:52] <ruffyen> i do have the jre installed
[22:20:54] <rcjsuen> What are you typing in DOS?
[22:21:00] <ruffyen> java Main.class
[22:21:19] <rcjsuen> drop the .class
[22:21:39] <ruffyen> ok
[22:21:47] <ruffyen> that is the only file in there though
[22:22:03] <rcjsuen> I mean
[22:22:06] <rcjsuen> java Main.class -> java Main
[22:22:14] <ruffyen> bam
[22:22:16] <ruffyen> nice
[22:22:16] <ruffyen> ok
[22:22:30] <ruffyen> so how do i make it so you dont have to type java
[22:23:06] <rcjsuen> That's a different topic which I think you should worry about later.
[22:23:14] <rcjsuen> but google for ways to make a java executable
[22:23:15] <ruffyen> heh
[22:23:20] <ruffyen> k thanks
[22:23:21] <rcjsuen> or i guess an executable jar
[22:23:35] <ruffyen> alright
[22:23:37] <ruffyen> sweet
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[22:26:00] <hup> hi, where can i find the javadoc of Equinox, google dosen't help :(
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[22:35:18] <nitind> hup: http://help.eclipse.org/galileo/topic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/overview-summary.html
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[23:33:36] <getBoa> Does anybody know if eclipse 3.6M4 is still with the GTK problem ?? or it doesn't have anything to do with eclipse but linux ???
[23:34:07] <rcjsuen> It resolves some of it. I don't know if it resolves all of them though.
[23:39:45] <getBoa> hmmm
[23:41:11] <getBoa> rcjsuen: got the download link for eclipse jee ?
[23:41:44] <rcjsuen> Isn't that just on the downloads page?
[23:44:32] <getBoa> it's Galileo version on the downloads page
[23:44:52] <rcjsuen> if you mean the Helios builds, then check the epp website
[23:45:20] <getBoa> aight
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[23:47:55] <nitrus^> im running eclipse jee galileo SR1 and am having problems with plugins.  i've installed fresh, then installed GWT plugin then the m2eclipse plugin.  after i install m2eclipse all the plugins disappear
[23:48:01] <nitrus^> how do i debug this issue?
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[23:57:48] <NfNitLoop> I've got a lot of interfaces that implement getters/setters.
[23:57:59] <NfNitLoop> Eclipse will implement the interface for me, and it will put in dummy getters/setters...
[23:58:08] <NfNitLoop> but they all do nothing and return null.
[23:58:19] <NfNitLoop> Is there a way to make it generate properties to back all of those getters and setters?
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