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[00:27:37] <hooch> swente: thanks for the pointers yesterday.  seems the cause of slowness is the zend debugger comms, so i have something to concentrate on
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[01:14:58] <themoebius> I'm trying to use the CDT on mac and the debug window is saying Program is not a recognized executable, but I can run it from command line just fine. Why can't eclipse recognize it?
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[01:39:58] <SilentPenguin> themoebius, well, if it is anything like windows, eclipse won't always use environment variables
[01:40:22] <SilentPenguin> for example, i can run gcc from my cmd, but if i open eclipse normally, it cant call it
[01:41:06] <themoebius> ok but I'm not sure how environment variables are related in this case
[01:41:23] <SilentPenguin> but if i use Qt's "start with MinGW" batch file type thing, it works fine, somewhere Eclipse has some of its own environment variables, i've always found the qt thing easier :/
[01:42:06] <themoebius> I specify the absolute path to the binary directly but it still says it's an unrecognized executable
[01:42:16] <armence> Hey all, I have eclipse 3.4.2 for linux and for some reason, when I click buttons, the button goes "in" but does not come "out" until I hit the space bar...
[01:42:23] <SilentPenguin> then say that
[01:42:30] <rcjsuen> armence: See faq in topic.
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[01:47:32] <Daimonic> hey is someone of you using or used vim plugin?
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[01:47:55] <rcjsuen> I see ppl mention it once in a while.
[01:48:39] <Daimonic> yeah well, I really like Vim, but debugging is essentially for me right now in Java
[01:50:57] <armence> Daimonic, I tried it for a while and it didn't really do it for me... It seems like you loose too much of what you're "paying" for with Eclipse by using the vim plugin
[01:51:08] <Daimonic> thought so
[01:51:14] <armence> And you are loosing too much of what vim has to offer by using Eclipse
[01:51:37] <armence> I just code C/C++ and Python in vim entirely and Java in Eclipse
[01:51:56] <Daimonic> yeah so I have a point to stick to C *g*
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[01:52:29] <Daimonic> There are debuggers for C/C++ too, but don't feel in need of them there? or what is the primary reason for you to use eclipse over vim for java?
[01:54:53] <armence> Daimonic: Habit... And I like the auto-complete...
[01:55:14] <Daimonic> sure
[01:58:13] <alankila> hot code replace is my killer feature. Save a file and it's almost instantly running.
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[01:59:25] <alankila> I heard OS X's Xcode and microsoft's visual studio for c/c++ can do it too, but nothing on linux can, so for this I'm rather firmly in the java camp for the time being.
[02:00:11] <Daimonic> heh, okay ;)I
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[02:05:25] <summatusmentis> hi all, for whatever reason, my classpath on ganymede and OS X is wrong, I'm just installing galileo, but if that doesn't fix it, what am I missing?
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[02:07:19] <rcjsuen> You'll need to be more specific I think for anyone to help.
[02:08:33] <summatusmentis> I'm not sure what other information people would be looking for, I'm pretty new at configuring eclipse
[02:09:22] <rcjsuen> well, saying "my classpath is wrong" is rather vague
[02:09:41] <summatusmentis> I get the java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError exception
[02:09:44] <rcjsuen> it's not clear what you're doing and/or what you've tried to resolve the problem
[02:09:52] <summatusmentis> when trying to run a project that works fine
[02:10:07] <summatusmentis> I've checked to see where the classpath is looking, and there is a java executable there
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[02:12:39] <summatusmentis> I'm not sure what else to check. I check preferences, and all the classpath stuff is telling me it's deprecated, and to use the System Library instead
[02:13:03] <summatusmentis> which, when I try to set that, and point it to SE6.0, eclipse doesn't seem to like
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[02:23:00] <rcjsuen> summatusmentis: when do you get the NCDFE error, you'er running your program from within the Eclipse environment?
[02:23:11] <summatusmentis> yes
[02:23:33] <summatusmentis> running it normally from terminal has no issues
[02:23:45] <summatusmentis> and it worked fine in the lab that I started this in
[02:23:50] <rcjsuen> And what class is it asking for
[02:24:02] <summatusmentis> I imported a project from svn onto my personal laptop, and now it's whining
[02:24:12] <summatusmentis> "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: " is the only error I get
[02:25:47] <rcjsuen> screenshots
[02:29:31] <summatusmentis> www.summatusmentis.com/screenshot.tiff
[02:30:40] <rcjsuen> Did you try debugging?
[02:30:51] <summatusmentis> I don't know what you're asking
[02:30:55] <summatusmentis> debugging eclipse?
[02:31:09] <rcjsuen> Instead of "running" your application, "debugging" it.
[02:31:14] <rcjsuen> F11, instead of Ctrl+F11
[02:31:18] <summatusmentis> no, I haven't tried that
[02:32:02] <rcjsuen> And how do you run your program from the command line
[02:32:33] <summatusmentis> javac *.java, java Problem2
[02:32:48] <summatusmentis> (comma should be separating commands
[02:33:03] <summatusmentis> I get the same error when debugging it
[02:33:34] <rcjsuen> Did you try using the PRoblem2.class file that the Eclipse compiler created instead of using javac by hand?
[02:33:59] <summatusmentis> no
[02:34:57] <summatusmentis> where would that be located? same dir?
[02:35:16] <rcjsuen> presumably in the project's bin folder
[02:35:31] <summatusmentis> oh, bin
[02:35:33] <summatusmentis> right
[02:35:51] <summatusmentis> no command line errors there either
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[02:36:11] <rcjsuen> Could you rephrase that
[02:36:38] <summatusmentis> when running "java Problem2" in the bin folder via terminal, I don't get any output
[02:37:18] <summatusmentis> is it possible the .classpath file in the working directory is screwing my eclipse up?
[02:37:35] <summatusmentis> this was an eclipse project, it was exported to svn, and then re-imported on a different eclipse, on a different OS
[02:38:26] <rcjsuen> that is possible, you could try to clean your projects and see what happens
[02:38:35] <rcjsuen> or check the project's properties by hand and see what's on the build path
[02:38:54] <summatusmentis> the build path didn't look unreasonable, lemme check
[02:39:33] <summatusmentis> I have a lot of icons with a line through them, JRE_LIB JRE_SRC JRE_SRCROOT and JUNIT_HOME
[02:39:48] <summatusmentis> nothing set for user defined libraries
[02:40:54] <summatusmentis> how would I clean my projects? is that within eclipse?
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[02:42:45] <rcjsuen> Project / Clean
[02:43:23] <summatusmentis> that didn't do anything
[02:43:25] <summatusmentis> other thoughts?
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[02:44:19] <rcjsuen> <summatusmentis> when running "java Problem2" in the bin folder via terminal, I don't get any output
[02:44:22] <rcjsuen> what do you mean by this
[02:44:55] <summatusmentis> literally no output at all from the program
[02:44:57] <summatusmentis> no errors
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[02:45:22] <ramenmeal> sounds good!
[02:45:41] <rcjsuen> So it doesn't work properly, but it doesn't fail either.
[02:45:59] <summatusmentis> I'm not sure what you mean by it doesn't work properly?
[02:46:08] <summatusmentis> I don't have anything happening that should have output
[02:46:33] <summatusmentis> this is non-finished code, that should run and execute fine
[02:46:41] <summatusmentis> particularly since there's nothing in main()
[02:47:27] <rcjsuen> Well, since we have no idea what your program does, it's not clear whether "no output" is "good" or "bad".
[02:47:35] <summatusmentis> I realize that
[02:47:37] <rcjsuen> Hence, I wanted to clarify.
[02:47:56] <summatusmentis> it's "working" in that the program seems to be executing
[02:48:06] <rcjsuen> If the bin works from the command line then I can only assume it is a problem with your launch configuration at the moment.
[02:48:10] <summatusmentis> and there's no errors or failures
[02:48:24] <summatusmentis> so, what does that mean? what should I do to fix it?
[02:50:36] <rcjsuen> Delete (all?) your launch configurations and start from scratch by right-clicking on PRoblem and running as a java app
[02:51:42] <summatusmentis> wow, that fixed it
[02:51:47] <summatusmentis> *headdesk*
[02:51:51] <summatusmentis> sorry for wasting your time
[02:54:16] <rcjsuen> okilydokily
[02:54:38] <summatusmentis> thanks
[02:56:23] <rcjsuen> Good luck with your project.
[02:56:59] <summatusmentis> hah, due in 4 hours, we'll see how it goes :)
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[03:05:32] <spaceinvader> Hi, I have an eclipse project set up with a CVS repo, is it possible to have the binaries built in there too?
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[03:19:33] <rcjsuen> spaceinvader: What do you mean?
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[03:21:20] <spaceinvader> rcjsuen: well the build button is grayed out
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[03:21:31] <spaceinvader> rcjsuen: i want to be able to build binaries into the cvs tree
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[03:21:51] <spaceinvader> i note that even after disconnecting the project from cvs it still won't build any more
[03:22:13] <rcjsuen> If it's greyed out it's probably because 'Build Automatically' is on.
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[03:22:46] <spaceinvader> rcjsuen: where does build automatically build to?
[03:22:59] <spaceinvader> i don't have a bin folder in the package explorer
[03:23:04] <spaceinvader> yet that is what the build path is set to
[03:23:26] <rcjsuen> Are you doing Java or C/C++? "Binaries" sounds like the latter.
[03:23:33] <spaceinvader> java
[03:23:39] <spaceinvader> i actually mean class files
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[03:23:47] <rcjsuen> The 'bin' folder, the output folder, by default is hidden from view via a filter.
[03:23:54] <spaceinvader> since when?
[03:23:58] <rcjsuen> You can verify its existence using windows explorer / nautilus or whatever
[03:24:02] <spaceinvader> i swear it was there the other day :)
[03:24:09] <rcjsuen> well, if you use the 'Navigator' maybe
[03:24:10] <spaceinvader> well, I want to get it put into cvs
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[03:26:08] <spaceinvader> rcjsuen: actually my bin folder is empty, even after manually building O_o
[03:26:34] <rcjsuen> probably something wrong with your build path or there's no builder configured i guess
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[03:26:45] <rcjsuen> most people i know don't put the bin folder in CVS tho
[03:27:05] <spaceinvader> i'm aware of that, but in this case I want it, as it's for a uni project
[03:27:14] <alex87> hey everyone, i just installed eclipse in ubuntu, but nothing happens when i hit "next" in any of the dialog windows (eg, add new software, create new project)
[03:27:20] <spaceinvader> i'm just going to submit the entire repo including my source, javadoc, LaTeX doc...
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[03:29:05] <rcjsuen> alex87: Did you try the keyboard?
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[03:29:31] <alex87> rcjsuen, i'll try now. i can click on it, but nothing happens
[03:30:04] <alex87> rcjsuen, hmm... it registers the click, but using the keyboard actually advances the dialog
[03:31:06] <rcjsuen> alex87: As I expected, see FAQ in channel topic.
[03:31:27] <alex87> rcjsuen, thanks
[03:35:32] <spaceinvader> rcjsuen: i reset my workspace and now at least the class files are being made, but i turned all the filters off and it's still not showing in the tree
[03:36:10] <rcjsuen> just use the navigator view then
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[04:04:34] <hdave> I've got a big project with about 1800 errors in it being reporting in the error console....it is possible to limit or filter error checking to just a particular module or set of packages for a project
[04:06:33] <rcjsuen> yes, you can filter the view
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[04:29:48] <Remowylliams2> How can I remove a folder if it isn't synced to the file system?
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[04:31:40] <Remowylliams2> everytime I try to delete it . it says checking preconditions and fails
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[04:54:23] <Remowylliams> how do you keep eclipse rse from opening and trying to make sense of every file it can find in a folder?
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[04:58:32] <FurnaceBoy> hey all. Getting segfault starting Eclipse Europa on linux.. but i'm running Ganymede perfectly on the saem system. Are segfaults to be expected or is this completely insane?
[04:59:35] <toulmean> FurnaceBoy: depends on your java.
[04:59:39] <FurnaceBoy> same w/ jre 1.5, or 1.6.
[04:59:53] <FurnaceBoy> can paste the log
[05:00:11] <toulmean> FurnaceBoy: first let us know what java -version does ?
[05:00:12] <FurnaceBoy> it's in libxul.
[05:00:22] <FurnaceBoy> # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.5.0_20-b02 mixed mode, sharing)
[05:00:23] <toulmean> libxul, xulrunner ?
[05:00:30] <FurnaceBoy> yeah
[05:00:51] <FurnaceBoy> i'm on gentoo; i re'emerged that, no dice.
[05:01:19] <FurnaceBoy> Ganymede has been running perfectly on the same system. (well, glacial PDT, which is why i'm trying to downgrade)
[05:01:49] <FurnaceBoy> i guess it's not eclipse's fault .. /me scratches head over xulrunner.
[05:03:51] <toulmean> FurnaceBoy: might be. Sorry gentoo is out of my comfort zone.
[05:04:42] <FurnaceBoy> toulmean: np. i guess i'll think about the xulrunner angle.
[05:04:51] <FurnaceBoy> toulmean: any clue why ganymede would have no problem?
[05:05:26] <toulmean> I know there were pains around that. Maybe try again tomorrow asking here earlier.
[05:05:38] <toulmean> the IBM committers are off to the pub now..
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[05:16:16] <nitind> Not all of us.
[05:16:36] <nitind> Remowylliams: Try resyncing it, using F5/Refresh.
[05:16:46] <toulmean> nitind: someone had to keep the watch I guess
[05:17:11] <nitind> FurnaceBoy: XulRunner's API isn't exactly stable.
[05:18:30] <FurnaceBoy> nitind: hm. that's bad news. i really hoped i could downgrade.
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[05:26:34] <Remowylliams> nitind: thanks I just deleted the workspace and started over. then shut down verify to everything.
[05:27:16] <Remowylliams> this IDE spends more time checking junk thank I get actually writing code. sheesh
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[05:35:37] <nitind> FurnaceBoy: I'd just go ahead and update to Galileo if you can.  Any reason to stay on Europa (which at over two years old is not getting any bug fixes)?
[05:36:05] <FurnaceBoy> nitind: oops, galileo (3.5?) runs perfectly... ganymede was a misstatement
[05:36:21] <FurnaceBoy> nitind: perfectly... except that PDT 2.1.x is unusably slow.
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[05:36:32] <FurnaceBoy> nitind: so i need to downgrade that, hence Europa
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[05:48:42] <kajework> I'm trying to pop up a message box when the user clicks on a particular type of node in my GEF diagram. I think I need to create a selection policy on the diagram's model, but I can't find any examples of this...
[05:49:03] <kajework> Anyone out there that can help me? I've been struggling with this for hours...
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[06:08:07] <kajework> Nevermind, I finally got it...
[06:08:40] <kajework> The EditPart for the node has a performRequest method I had to override
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[08:38:29] <kottlett> hi! I'm trying to bring the java doc to a proprietary plug-in in my target platform. I stumbled over manifest.mf's Bundle-DocURL but I can't find any documentation about it or if eclipse uses that property. any ideas?
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[08:55:01] <philk__> njbartlett: thanks for your ec2009 slides! Interesting AtomicReference indeed
[08:55:36] <philk__> njbartlett: but DS does not default to bind methods if you do not specify them? like for a reference to Foo to bindFoo and unbindFoo ?
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[09:09:42] <hect> morning!
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[09:35:40] <philk__> njbartlett: do you ever have different DS that extends the same base class. And where this base class implements the bind methods?
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[09:36:46] <matrium> hi
[09:37:50] <matrium> is it possible to know if the textfield of a jface textview is modified by user input or by setText?
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[10:44:56] <linnuxxy> I'm developing a RCP application... I need to provide a toolbox with my EditorPart... so user can choose a tool from the tool box... something like the toolbox in the VE... what is the best componenet to use?
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[10:51:47] <ralf_e> njbartlett, philk__, I was also wondering about defaults for the bind/unbind methods in DS - you really have to specify them manually anytime, right? any reason where there is not a reasonable default for this?
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[10:53:49] <philk__> ralf_e: I wonder that myself... I always liked the "configuration by exception" approach. I mean DS chooses defaults for the activate/deactivate methods, but not for modified and bind.
[10:54:20] <njbartlett> ralf_e: Yes unfortunately you do have to specify the bind/unbind, there is no default. But I use the bnd annotations from Peter K, which generates the XML for me and uses nice defaults
[10:54:50] <philk__> ralf_e , njbartlett, it would be really easy if DS would just look for protected bind(Interface) methods
[10:55:29] <philk__> njbartlett: I would rather have that kind of defaults in the DS Component Editor. It should even point out if the specified method is missing in the code
[10:55:45] <philk__> njbartlett: but you can have all bind methods called "bind" just with different parameters?
[10:56:06] <njbartlett> philk__: Yes, I can't stand the new Component Editor, gets in my way
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[10:56:42] <ralf_e> hmm, probably if the component editor would be a bit more friendly, the pain regarding that would go away
[10:56:48] <njbartlett> philk__: Err I guess you could have them all called "bind", as long as the service types are all different
[10:57:01] <ralf_e> but i'd be really in favor of using annotations, indeed
[10:57:08] <ralf_e> have to try the bnd annotation thing :)
[10:57:30] <njbartlett> ralf_e: Right. For example, the component editor doesn't support refactoring at the moment. If I rename the bind method in my Java source, the XML descriptor is now invalid
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[11:04:17] <philk__> njbartlett: ralf_e: ~bug 297456
[11:04:34] <njbartlett> ~ 297456
[11:04:35] <Arbalest> Bug 297456 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=297456 - PDE / UI / 3.6 - PC / Windows XP - NEW / enhancement / - Assignee: pde-ui-inbox - [DS Editor] When creating dynamic references, provide default bind/unbind methods
[11:04:52] <ralf_e> thanks :)
[11:04:56] <njbartlett> philk__: This needs to be a bug against the OSGi spec, not Eclipse
[11:05:07] <njbartlett> Oh wait, sorry
[11:05:19] <philk__> njbartlett: no, its a request for defaults in the DS Editor
[11:05:27] <njbartlett> Yes that's fine, you're asking for the editor to assume a default.
[11:05:46] <philk__> njbartlett: I even ask the editor to create the code for me :)
[11:07:29] <philk__> njbartlett: what do you think of the Monitor Admin? I have recently looked into the spec since I am currently needing powerstatus and memorystatus informations from mobile devices... However I can query the mobile device for memory status and get return a bunch of informations as a set. Now, Monitor Admin has the concept of variables and Monitor Jobs.
[11:07:46] <ralf_e> njbartlett, just btw, I used the new IWorkbench osgi service in a DS component when I wrote http://github.com/ralfebert/keypopup yesterday. I wondered, if you would (hypothetically) expose everything in the workbench as an OSGi services (even things like wb-window, view, etc.), how would you scope these things (view scoped in workbenchwindow f.e.) is there some concept of scopes regarding OSGi services?
[11:09:58] <philk__> njbartlett: I am not sure how to bring the both side together. Since the monitor job asks for indiviual status variables like memory.total and memory.avail it would mean to call the device twice for this information while actually it would have been just one call. So inside my Monitorable I would have to cache the last device result and when a status var needs to be updated I only query the device again, if the last request of a
[11:09:58] <philk__> nother status var that already called the device was some seconds before
[11:10:17] <njbartlett> philk__: No I haven't looked at it
[11:11:31] <njbartlett> ralf_e: That's an interesting possibility, but I don't think it's necessary to scope it. The lifecycle needs to be scoped of course within the lifecycle of the "outer" object
[11:12:07] <njbartlett> ralf_e: For example, a view cannot exist before its window, or continue to exist after the window has closed. So the view should be registered as a service after the window is registered, and unregistered before the window unregisters
[11:13:05] <njbartlett> ralf_e: Doing this would help a lot with getting interoperability between extensions and services
[11:13:46] <ralf_e> njbartlett, yes, but you can have multiple workbench windows open and every one provides an own scope (as in, it has its own, exclusive set of views)
[11:14:57] <njbartlett> ralf_e: What would you use the scope for? If you want to make sure you find only the views belonging to a particular window, then you can do that with service properties and filters
[11:15:09] <philk__> njbartlett: if OSGi and Eclipse Extensions would be coupled more you could make views not visible at all if certain refs they depend on are not resolved
[11:15:57] <philk__> njbartlett: some for commands. I am currently implementing a OSGi service property tester, that allows you to use enablement with ServiceRefs
[11:16:51] <ralf_e> njbartlett, the workbench would have to track the view services - and only it's own. i wondered if props/filters are the right way for this or if there is some concept of scope
[11:16:59] <njbartlett> philk__: Yes, you've read my e2s manual I assume? Actually I'm not sure if it would be good to have views suddenly disappearing when some internal event happens. It would be confusing for users. Better for a view to detect that it's missing something, and disable itself.
[11:17:02] <philk__> njbartlett: like <enablement><test  name="osgi.service" value="LogService"/>
[11:17:37] <philk__> njbartlett: thats what I currently do. I disable the views content area. Also all commands are disabled.
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[11:18:22] <njbartlett> ralf_e: Services are not scoped within one framework, no. There is a new approach to scoping which is essentially embedding a framework within the framework, i.e. nested OSGi frameworks, but you probably don't want to use that for this
[11:18:50] <ralf_e> njbartlett, ok, I see. thanks :)
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[11:19:41] <philk__> njbartlett: problem with property testers is that they are lazy.
[11:19:56] <njbartlett> ralf_e: But you could have a service property that is understood as providing scoping, e.g. "path=Display1/Window3/JavaPerspective/ViewSite2..."
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[11:20:45] <njbartlett> ralf_e: Then track it with a filter (path=Display1/Window3/*)
[11:20:56] <philk__> btw the same as with Adapter Factories declared as extension... I have written an extender to allow services to publish IAdapterFactory and register them with the Platforms adapter manager.
[11:21:40] <njbartlett> philk__: That sounds cool. Do you think that would be useful to include in e2s?
[11:22:11] <philk__> njbartlett: sure, would be happy to provide it!
[11:22:27] <njbartlett> philk__: I'm thinking at, in addition to the core, e2s could have a collection of extpoint-specific utilities
[11:22:45] <philk__> njbartlett: yeah, I am with you on that
[11:22:55] <hrad> hey, is it possible to set Outline view to show methods and fields of parent class as well asi the current one ?
[11:22:59] <philk__> njbartlett: I also extended the command framework for the OSGi console with actions
[11:23:22] <philk__> njbartlett: like you have a command and the second parameters are provided by services
[11:23:38] <philk__> hrad: I wonder that myself.
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[11:24:19] <njbartlett> hrad: I don't think so but you can use the Hierarchy view for that
[11:25:45] <hrad> njbartlett: I know, but that seems to me worse than better
[11:31:00] <philk__> njbartlett: the activate method in DS can take a ServiceReference too?
[11:31:15] <njbartlett> philk__: Uh, no.
[11:31:51] <philk__> njbartlett: ok :) Only ComponentContext then
[11:32:11] <njbartlett> philk__: Or BundleContext. Or Map. Or nothing.
[11:32:29] <njbartlett> philk__: Compendium section 112.5.8
[11:32:39] <philk__> njbartlett: ah BundleContext... thats good.. one less dependency :)
[11:35:44] <philk__> njbartlett: and the bind methods? I need the BundleContext of the bundle which ref I get bound to
[11:36:44] <njbartlett> philk__: Err you get a service and then you want to get its BundleContext??
[11:37:02] <philk__> how do I make Eclipse find the OSGi service packages when I got ctrl+o to automatically add them to the imports?
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[11:39:55] <philk__> njbartlett: yes. See i have this AdapaterManager extender. I would like to be able to specify the adapters class list (returned from getAdapterList) in the service properties. I would then register a proxy factory with the IAdapterManager and return the adapater list myself... so I need to construct Class objects. That only works with the bundlecontext of the bound service, doesn't it?
[11:40:41] <philk__> njbartlett: if one does not specify the "adapters" property, then I just register the bound factory as it is with the IAM
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[11:42:06] <njbartlett> philk__: Whoa you lost me there... but it sounds like you want to load classes from a specific bundle? You don' t need BundleContext for taht
[11:42:22] <philk__> njbartlett: yes load a class from a specific bundle
[11:42:25] <njbartlett> philk__: Bundle.loadClass() is enough
[11:42:51] <philk__> njbartlett: I can use my own Bundle for that?
[11:43:02] <philk__> njbartlett: I will find the class, even if I do not import it?
[11:43:09] <njbartlett> philk__: Err no...
[11:43:14] <philk__> njbartlett: see
[11:43:33] <njbartlett> philk__: Call Bundle.loadClass() with the Bundle object for the bundle you want to load classes from
[11:46:32] <philk__> njbartlett: thats what I mean.. .inside my adapter.extender bundle I consume IAdapterFactory services that have the "adaptable" property set. I then check if the service also has the "adapters" property set. If it has not, I just register the service with the IAM. It will then provide the getAdapterList() itself. However, if the property "adapters" does exist, I register a proxy IAF with the IAM and implement IAF.getAdapterList(
[11:46:32] <philk__> ) inside my extender bundle. To construct the list of adapter classes I need to load them from the BUNDLE that gave me the service.
[11:46:42] <matrium> how to define a layout for TreeColumnViewer's?
[11:46:55] <njbartlett> philk__: Oh then you can just call ServiceReference.getBundle()
[11:47:16] <philk__> njbartlett: Do I get the ServiceReference in the bind method?
[11:47:45] <njbartlett> philk__: You can, yeah. Compendium 112.3.1
[11:47:48] <njbartlett> Got to go, TTYL
[11:48:07] <philk__> njbartlett: thanks! ttyl
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[12:50:31] <yassine> hi everyone
[12:51:52] <yassine> im trying to link some plugins that i want installed in my eclipse from the dropins directory of eclipse using pluginName.link files which contains a path reference to the location of the appropriate plugin but for some reason these plugins does not get loaded.
[12:52:33] <yassine> anyone having an idea what could be wrong or how to see eclipse's logs which may reveal the reason why these plugins are not loaded?
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[12:59:36] <philk__> how do I make Eclipse find the OSGi service packages when I got ctrl+o to automatically add them to the imports?
[13:02:09] <yassine> philk__, if that was an answer to my question thanks :)
[13:03:03] <yassine> philk__, i identified the source of the problem now(or at least i know which plugins set is causing the problem) but still can not figure out how to resolve it
[13:05:08] <philk__> yassine: no, mine was a totally unrelated question to the channel here
[13:05:29] <yassine> okay np i solved my problem just now ;)
[13:05:34] <philk__> yassine: I never worked with the dropins myself
[13:06:15] <yassine> philk__, seems promising
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[13:18:11] <philk__> njbartlett: there is a little problem here... my adapter manager extender has a 1..1 dynamic to the IAdapterManager... and 1..n to IAdapterFactory. When the only one IAF service providing bundle is stopped, my extender gets *first* its IAM reference unbound and *after that* the 1..n IAF.... that way I have no chance to deregister the IAF from the IAM
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[13:20:19] <njbartlett> philk__: I don't think you can enforce the order of unbinding. Why not just make the IAF reference 0..n?
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[13:21:51] <philk__> njbartlett: because my service should not be instantiated if there is no service providing an IAF
[13:22:46] <njbartlett> philk__: Why is it a problem for it to be instantiated? By making it 1..n you're forcing the unbind of the IAM which actually still exists. You might just need to rewrite your service implementation
[13:23:23] <philk__> njbartlett: ok... binding also occurs in the wrong order... now the IAF comes in first before I get the IAM from the system
[13:24:23] <njbartlett> philk__: Yeah you always have to cope with that kind of thing... don't rely on specific ordering. If the IAF comes in and there's no IAM then you have to save up the IAF and register it with the IAM later
[13:24:47] <philk__> njbartlett: or I just make the 1..1 static for IAM
[13:25:27] <philk__> njbartlett: that way the 1..n dynamic IAF should be unbound first
[13:26:24] <njbartlett> philk__: Yeah though it could unbind concurrently while you're in activate/deactivate
[13:27:01] <njbartlett> philk__: Sounds like the best plan though. Make the IAM reference static, and do the initial work in the activate method
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[13:27:11] <philk__> hell the DS Editor screws up the XML
[13:27:22] <njbartlett> I know :-(
[13:27:49] <philk__> why the heck did they compose the XML out of Strings?!
[13:29:04] <philk__> njbartlett: the activate method is not called before the bind method
[13:30:28] <njbartlett> philk__: No, but with a dynamic reference the bind/unbind can be called at the same time as activate/deactivate, in another thread.
[13:31:20] <philk__> njbartlett: so in any way... I would have to queue incoming 0..n refs until I reach the activate method and then perform the actions on them?
[13:32:24] <njbartlett> philk__: Hmm no
[13:32:38] <njbartlett> philk__: I think it's easier than that
[13:32:40] <rcjsuen> FurnaceBoy: Did you try turning off code folding?
[13:33:08] <njbartlett> philk__: The dynamic refs should only bind/unbind when the component is active, and the component can only be active when the static IAM reference is bound...
[13:33:30] <rcjsuen> matrium: Pretty sure you can't do that. Though I can't imagine the user being able to invoke setText very often.
[13:33:32] <njbartlett> philk__: So in your bind/unbind method for the IAFs you can just directly register/unregister with the IAM
[13:33:32] <philk__> njbartlett: thats the DS http://pastebin.com/m4ae31dda
[13:34:11] <philk__> njbartlett: and thats the class http://pastebin.com/m1c78815e
[13:34:42] <njbartlett> Sheesh the DS editor puts the attributes in random order
[13:35:02] <philk__> njbartlett: the bind(ServiceReference) for the IAF is called before the activate method. I have no access to the static IAM at that moment
[13:35:23] <njbartlett> Actually... looks like it puts them in alphabetical order, which is just as bad :-)
[13:36:10] <njbartlett> philk__: So you're using lookup for the IAM
[13:36:10] <philk__> njbartlett: ah I understand you now... make the 1..n dyn a 0..n dyn  so I get activated first and then bind
[13:36:58] <njbartlett> philk__: Yes exactly.
[13:37:04] <njbartlett> philk__: Got to go again, good luck
[13:37:28] <philk__> njbartlett: thanks! working!
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[13:51:51] <philk__> njbartlett: unfortunatly it does not work even with a static ref to IAM... if you start the IAF bundle first and then the extender bundle the IAF will be bound and then the extender activate method called
[13:52:28] <philk__> njbartlett: maybe thats even a bug. I would think that static dependencies are resolved first. Cause they are the most important ones.
[13:52:46] <philk__> njbartlett: as in my example, I depend on a static service
[13:53:37] <yassine> anyone know if there is other options for eclipse than -debug to get more details on some specific plugins loading process??
[13:54:37] <rcjsuen> Loading process?
[13:55:04] <philk__> yukk I just tried out the new IDEA 9.0 community edition... first impression: slow as hell
[13:55:33] <rcjsuen> philk__: You mean "responsiveness" or "build time" or what?
[13:55:45] <philk__> rcjsuen: I mean "open a menu"
[13:56:30] <philk__> rcjsuen: I will create a new menu now
[13:56:33] <yassine> rcjsuen, my problem is that im trying to install some plugins using the dropins folder im able to install allmost 6 plugins group doing the same way but only one plugin is not installed and i can not see any logs errors related to that "installation/loading" process
[13:57:26] <philk__> rcjsuen: on the blog posts about the new IDEA 9.0 I see people bitching about Eclipse. I not understand what they are missing that they, as PROFESSIONALS, can not do with Eclipse. Maybe I am not professional enough to understand it.
[13:57:56] <philk__> rcjsuen: or maybe I am not developing creepy J2EE web apps with an inappropriate tool but use rails for that.
[13:58:25] <rcjsuen> Well, to each their own. If they're productive with it then go right ahead.
[13:58:38] <yassine> rcjsuen, i have now eclipse osgi console up and i have looked up if the bundle in question loaded or not and it appears that its not the case
[13:58:53] <rcjsuen> I had that problem before where I put it in dropins/ and it wouldn't show up.
[13:59:06] <yassine> its not even loaded
[13:59:39] <rcjsuen> right, i mean it wouldn't show up in the osgi console for me
[14:00:22] <yassine> i need more information from eclipse in an earlier stage do you happent to know how to get into that log level?
[14:01:22] <philk__> njbartlett: without static refs resolved first, its impossible to use DS
[14:02:43] <rcjsuen> No idea myself. I just gave up and installed the bundle by hand though I was only testing stuff.
[14:03:12] <philk__> "Java Class" action is not available while IDEA is updating indicies... for like 2 minutes
[14:03:22] <philk__> lol
[14:03:33] <yassine> mhh this dropins stuff is still not well covered in eclipse wiki :s
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[14:06:31] <sleon> hi all
[14:06:55] <sleon> i hae a question: what is the default way to create a drop down box with objects as items?
[14:07:44] <rcjsuen> You mean Combo?
[14:07:58] <rcjsuen> Or maybe ComboViewer if you mean java.lang.Objects.
[14:09:10] <rcjsuen> Well, assuming you're talking about Java/SWT...I should've asked first. ;)
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[14:21:06] <keya> What's the eclipse plug-in for GIT?
[14:21:24] <rcjsuen> I only know of EGit.
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[14:26:11] <keya> rcjsuen: I installed it through jgit update site, but I am not able to see an perspectives or views associated for git checkouts etc.
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[14:28:16] <rcjsuen> i'm not sure if they have a persp or a view
[14:28:21] <rcjsuen> try the new wizards
[14:28:24] <rcjsuen> i think you can clone from there
[14:28:31] <rcjsuen> I don't erally reember, it's been a few weeks now
[14:29:11] <keya> rcjsuen: No, nothing there either.
[14:29:28] <keya> rcjsuen: Not even on a context menu under Team for a project.  :-S
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[14:47:14] <rcjsuen> keya: did you check the about dialog?
[14:50:20] <yashi> is there cdt channel around?
[14:50:41] <rcjsuen> Nope, there's a CDT subforum in the eclipse.org ~forums tho
[14:50:41] <Arbalest> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/
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[14:54:39] <yashi> rcjsuen: thanks.  not much cdt people around here, neither?
[14:54:50] <rcjsuen> Some users lurk here.
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[14:56:41] <keya> rcjsuen: Yes, there is an entry in the About dialog.  Also Installed Software is showing git plug-ins as installed.  But there is nothing that I can find about usability.
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[14:57:11] <rcjsuen> well to be fair sometimes i hear users say the plug-ins shows up in the list but can't find it in the ui
[14:57:13] <rcjsuen> i guess same problem
[14:57:50] <yashi> egit not working?
[14:58:08] <keya> rcjsuen: Yeah.
[14:58:29] <keya> yashi: I installed but can not see any UI components provided by it to get started with.
[14:58:46] <yashi> keya: go file -> import
[14:59:21] <yashi> not git folder listed there?
[14:59:38] <keya> yashi: Ah.  There I didn't check.  Let me install it again.  I have uninstalled the plug-ins.
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[15:00:27] <yashi> it's been working here on 3.5.1 with 0.6.0
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[15:01:12] <keya> yashi: Yes found an entry under Import.  Thanks.
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[15:02:00] <rcjsuen> Guess I was thinking of the wrong wizard, sorry about that, keya.
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[15:02:48] <keya> rcjsuen: No problem.  I myself checked everywhere except Import.  :-S
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[15:36:09] <flavious> Hi. How to extract a part from a variable like ${selected_resource_path}, where the parts are sepparated by a slash?
[15:36:52] <flavious> Particularily, I need this to pass paths to an external command within the project, where the working directory lies deeper in the file structure
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[15:43:54] <paulweb515_> flavious: you can instantiate a Path(String) object ... that deals well with paths
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[15:45:13] <hect> how come I get an "invalid thread access" on knopflerfish but not when I execute it on eclipse ?
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[15:54:14] <paulweb515_> hect: you will get ITA if you try and access SWT widgets off of the UI thread (which by default is the thread that the Display is created on)
[15:54:38] <paulweb515_> hect: just like Swing, Display.asyncExec(*) or syncExec(*) needs to be used to preform UI operations
[15:55:03] <paulweb515_> hect: In eclipse, most of the main access points end up being on the UI thread, you get luck most of the time
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[16:00:25] <philk__> paulweb515: there is really no way to veto a command execution?
[16:00:36] <hect> paulweb515_: I get luck most of the time? so it's not recommended to execute it in Eclipse?
[16:00:48] <philk__> paulweb515: I would like to plugin some confirmation dialogs for certain commands... but I can only listen to command execution not prevent it
[16:01:14] <rcjsuen> throw an exception ;D
[16:01:19] <rcjsuen> >:)
[16:01:25] <rcjsuen> that'll teach' em
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[16:02:17] <FurnaceBoy> rcjsuen: re-- code folding. the segfault occurs immediately on starting eclipse.
[16:02:27] <FurnaceBoy> rcjsuen: in lubxul :|
[16:02:44] <rcjsuen> FurnaceBoy: oh, i was referring to the "except that PDT 2.1.x is unusably slow.
[16:02:44] <rcjsuen> " comment
[16:03:06] <FurnaceBoy> rcjsuen: hm, i could try. i'm getting ~ 0.7sec latency on keystrokes.
[16:03:08] <paulweb515_> hect: it depends on 1) what you are doing, and 2) when you are doing it
[16:03:29] <hect> interesting
[16:03:42] <paulweb515_> hect: for example, if you have SWT code in your activator start(*) ... that's not recommended in eclipse, just because it works sometimes doesn't mean it work all the time
[16:04:09] <paulweb515_> hect: is that what you are doing?
[16:04:13] <hect> yes
[16:04:31] <paulweb515_> and as you found out, that will almost always fail in another OSGi runtime ...
[16:04:40] <hect> I should do it in its own thread, right?
[16:04:57] <paulweb515_> all activator code that talks to SWT should use display.asyncExec(*) to make sure it executes in the UI thread
[16:05:29] <paulweb515_> hect: anything that can block should be done off of the thread that "start(*)" is called
[16:05:53] <hect> I see
[16:06:41] <hect> paulweb515_: so this http://pastie.org/735300 needs display.asyncExec
[16:07:02] <flavious> paulweb515 good to know, but I don't know java...
[16:08:22] <paulweb515_> flavious: then you've got some learnin' to do
[16:09:28] <paulweb515_> hect: rogers.com cannot find pastie.org (they suck, I know)
[16:10:30] <hect> ?
[16:10:34] <paulweb515_> sometimes their DNS sorts itself out after a couple of minutes
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[16:14:43] <hect> on which website should I paste the code then?
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[16:16:16] <paulweb515_> ~pastebin
[16:16:17] <Arbalest> Please paste the relevant information onto a pastebin. The submission will then generate a URL, please copy/paste the generated URL back to the channel - http://www.pastebin.cz/ - http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/home - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[16:16:20] <hect> I get the ITA on "shell = new Shell(display);"
[16:17:05] <hect> if I run knopflerfish for the first time, it runs the app ok. if I stop the bundle and relaunch the app, it throws a ITA
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[16:17:45] <rcjsuen> hect: well, in your 735300, you create a shell in a new thread, which is not the thread the Display was created in, hence the ITA
[16:17:51] <rcjsuen> oh wait nm
[16:17:59] <paulweb515_> hect: you created the display ... you are responsible for 1) creating it, 2) the thread that it runs in, and 3) disposing the display if necessary
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[16:18:19] <rcjsuen> also please consider the fact that only win32 supports multiple Display instances
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[16:22:28] <AhtiK> I guess there's no way to regenerate bundles.info file easily, right?
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[16:23:57] <paulweb515_> AhtiK: not to regenerate, but you can use the p2 director application to update it
[16:23:59] <AhtiK> it's strange that for Mac my update site fails to update plugins (update gets downloaded to plugins folder but bundles.info is not updated) but everything works for Windows. Feels pretty helpless :)
[16:24:41] <hect> please somebody provide a good example of a graphic app using SWT and osgi, this is quite confusing
[16:27:50] <AhtiK> paulweb515_: I'm looking at http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_director_application but don't see any option for updating the whole bundles.info. Only instructions for updating or installing a single bundle.
[16:28:17] <elver> Has anyone else had breakpoints not work in PyDev/Eclipse?
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[16:28:44] <paulweb515_> AhtiK: updating bundles.info is a side-effect of installing bundles using the director
[16:29:15] <paulweb515_> AhtiK: your bundles can only go in 2 ways now ... either being installed by p2 (director or UI) or in the ~dropins folder
[16:29:15] <Arbalest> To learn about how to use the dropins/ folder provided by p2, see here - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_Getting_Started#Dropins
[16:29:45] <hect> rcjsuen: what do you mean: "which is not the thread the Display was created in?"
[16:29:56] <hect> Display is created inside the thread
[16:30:56] <paulweb515_> hect: yes, but he figured it out :-)
[16:31:08] <AhtiK> paulweb515_: yep, aware of these 2 ways. i'm trying to figure out why on mac this bundles.info (and thereby the whole metainfo) doesn't get updated for my plugin update (using update site). but for windows it works perfectly (bundles.info gets updated). base installation for both OS's identical.
[16:31:43] <hect> paulweb515_:  http://pastebin.com/m5ac71215
[16:31:49] <rcjsuen> hect: Yes, I missd that, that was my mistake.
[16:32:13] <AhtiK> paulweb515_: just for a background: initially plugins got installed using dropins directory and later update site downloaded updates to plugins dir. and for Win it's fine but for Mac it still picks the old plugin version (and bundles.info is old).
[16:32:33] <paulweb515_> hect: so it blows up the second time, right?
[16:32:45] <hect> so I have to create a Display in the bundle's thread, but avoid to lock that thread. Man this is crazy confusing :D
[16:32:46] <paulweb515_> hect: I would try disposing the display outside of the loop
[16:32:54] <hect> paulweb515_: yeah
[16:32:55] <paulweb515_> hect: that's OSGi for you
[16:33:33] <hect> paulweb515_: what do you mean?
[16:33:34] <paulweb515_> hect: Swing, SWT (many windowing systems like GTK) make it really simple for most apps ... one thread to rule them all :-)
[16:33:45] <paulweb515_> hect: "what do you mean" in response to what?
[16:33:57] <hect> hat's OSGi for you
[16:34:38] <paulweb515_> hect: it's a  component based, multi-thread framework that makes no guarantees about threading
[16:35:09] <paulweb515_> hect: try disposing the display one the way out of your thread ...
[16:39:33] <hect> paulweb515_: sweet darling! it works!
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[16:41:58] <anli_> Anyone else here that have experienced that buttons are unclickable in eclipse for linux? (only some buttons)
[16:42:09] <elver> If I have lots of many2many / one2many / many2one relationships between objects, is there some order in which I should init them? Because I'm getting some mysterious 'ProgrammingError: relation "mysimple_order" does not exist' message and a crash during DB init...
[16:42:13] <rcjsuen> anli_: Didn't you ask about this a while ago? Or maybe that was someone else.
[16:42:22] <rcjsuen> anli_: In any case, did you try using the keyboard?
[16:42:44] <anli_> it works
[16:42:49] <anli_> I did
[16:43:07] <rcjsuen> anli_: Did you look at the FAQ in the channel topic?
[16:43:18] <anli_> I did not find anything useful there
[16:43:40] <anli_> do you know there is information about it there?
[16:43:47] <rcjsuen> anli_: Did you look at #3.8?
[16:43:58] <rcjsuen> anli_: Oh I'm very familiar with that page. ;)
[16:44:01] <anli_> must check, maybe I failed to lookup the info
[16:44:07] <anli_> :)
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[16:45:24] <anli_> you talk about planeteclipse, dont you?
[16:46:17] <anli_> It is very odd to tell people that there is a FAQ on a webpage, and the word FAQ does not occur on that page
[16:46:18] <rcjsuen> Not sure I follow. I'm on Planet Eclipse, I don't really talk about Planet Eclipse itself in particular very often.
[16:46:34] <anli_> :)
[16:46:40] <rcjsuen> You mean the channel's topic?
[16:46:53] <rcjsuen> Browse the FAQ at http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ and blog about all things Eclipse at http://www.planeteclipse.org/
[16:46:56] <rcjsuen> Perhaps that statement is unclear?
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[16:47:47] <anli_> aha, sorry, the channel topic was so long so I did not notice there were more links than two on it
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[16:51:39] <anli_> Hm, seems that the workaround was ok
[16:51:42] <anli_> Thanks a lot!
[16:51:57] <hect> I currently develop my OSGI app under eclipse (many bundles) export them and installem on knopflerfish by hand. Is there a way to accelerate this process?
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[16:53:19] <anli_> hm, trying to create an appilcation launcher in gnome that set the envion, is that possible?
[16:53:59] <anli_> Maybe a script is the only way...
[16:54:10] <rcjsuen> I think you would have to make a bash script and then have the launcher launch the script. :o
[16:54:17] <rcjsuen> you could also download a maintenance build and use that
[16:54:58] <anli_> Odd that there is no place to specify env variables in an application launcher
[16:54:59] <anli_> :)
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[17:00:05] <armence> How do I trigger auto-complete on textbox while writing a variable?
[17:00:16] <hect> require or import, what should I use?
[17:00:25] <anli_> strange, I can only run my script using the console, not by having a custom application launcher in gnome :)
[17:00:37] <ralf_e> rcjsuen, the fix for the gtk 2.18 problem seems to be in 3.5.2 Stream Build already, at least I'm using M20091202-0800 and did not observe the problem anymore
[17:00:55] <ralf_e> maybe this could be recommended as workaround instead of GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS?
[17:00:55] <rcjsuen> ralf_e: yeah, that's why i suggested to anli_ to try the maintenace build
[17:00:59] <rcjsuen> well it fixes the button problem
[17:01:07] <rcjsuen> but not the update problem
[17:01:17] <rcjsuen> but good point the wiki should be corrected
[17:01:20] <ralf_e> ah, ok
[17:01:38] <rcjsuen> the update problem is only fixed for 3.6 at the moment
[17:01:39] <armence> sorry, let me rephrase that, I am typing a variable name and it is long and I want eclipse to make me suggestion for completion, how do it?
[17:01:44] <rcjsuen> pending feedback from the community it may be backported
[17:01:58] <rcjsuen> armence: Ctrl+Space? Alt+/?
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[17:02:13] <NoobFukaure> by any chance, do any of you know of a library for building java components with a composition approach vs typically OO stuff?
[17:02:37] <ralf_e> rcjsuen, I suspect there might be other problems related to the gtk change - it would be good if as many people as possible test the M build so these could be ironed out before the sacred 3.5.2 releases
[17:02:57] <rcjsuen> yeah there are other ones
[17:03:00] <ralf_e> rcjsuen, what was the bug for the update problem again?
[17:03:04] <rcjsuen> uh
[17:03:07] <ralf_e> rcjsuen, I was only aware of the button issue
[17:03:18] <rcjsuen> ~290395
[17:03:19] <Arbalest> Bug 290395 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=290395 - Platform / SWT / 3.5 - PC / Linux-GTK - RESOLVED / FIXED / normal / - Assignee: gheorghe - [Widgets] [GTK2.18] Update problem in the Eclipse's "Install new software" dialog.
[17:03:24] <anli_> Cant shell files be specified in custom application launchers? :)
[17:06:28] <philk__> paulweb515: I would like to plugin some confirmation dialogs for certain commands... but I can only listen to command execution not prevent it
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[17:10:52] <philk__> paulweb515: Its not possible to have my drop-down toolbar button menu items also show up in another menu?
[17:13:51] <hect> I would like to create a bundle that offers resources to other bundles, in this case, the swt libraries
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[17:14:50] <hect> so I created a bundle and add the swt .jar files to the source folder, and then added them  to the classpath, using eclipse's plugin manager "classpath".
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[17:15:26] <hect> Now, I would like to export this functionality, so others will be able to use this libraries, how can I do that?
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[17:15:56] <rcjsuen> Adding the jars to the _source_ folder? :o
[17:16:08] <rcjsuen> Well I suppose technically where the jars live don't really matter.
[17:16:31] <rcjsuen> If I'm interpreting you correctly, you'd have to reexport those [SWT] classes in your manifest file.
[17:16:40] <hect> how?
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[17:27:32] <hect> in Eclipse, inside the export packages section, if you select 'Add...' there's an option: 'Show non-Java packages', what's that for? can I export anything in a bundle? maybe a .jar file?
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[17:33:11] <hect> rcjsuen: how can I reexport those [swt] classes if they are in a .jar?
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[17:34:34] <rcjsuen> i believe you add it to your bundle's classpath then you use export package and set the reexport directive (or maybe attribute), something like that
[17:35:23] <hect> mmmmmm
[17:36:34] <hect> rcjsuen: reexport directive? what's that?
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[17:36:56] <rcjsuen> directives are like singleton:=true
[17:37:08] <rcjsuen> i'm not sure if the reexport flag is a directive or an attribute tho
[17:37:18] <rcjsuen> anyway the pde editor for the manifest file will generate it for you so i wouldn't worry about typing it by hand
[17:37:23] <hect> where can I find that?
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[17:37:46] <rcjsuen> i think on the 'Runtime' tab
[17:38:08] <hect> on the runtime tab, I select 'add' from exported packages
[17:38:22] <hect> but it doesn't show
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[17:38:41] <hect> it only shows after I select: 'show non-java packages'
[17:38:43] <rcjsuen> then maybe the swt classes are not on your bundle's cp
[17:38:46] <hect> which siounds weird
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[17:38:59] <hect> they are!
[17:40:08] <progre55> hi people! I'm running eclipse 3.5.5 on an ubuntu (9.10) machine. However, for instance when I type a class name and after a dot (.) press ctrl+space, it's not showing up it's methods. Any workarounds?
[17:41:00] <progre55> oh sorry, I mean, eclipse "Version: 3.5.1"
[17:41:27] <rcjsuen> Did you try in a new project?
[17:42:01] <progre55> rcjsuen, no, should I try to create a new project?
[17:42:07] <rcjsuen> Doesn't hurt.
[17:42:30] <progre55> sec)
[17:44:29] <progre55> rcjsuen, yeah, no use
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[17:44:45] <progre55> no default proposals
[17:45:31] <rcjsuen> http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Why_is_Content_Assist_not_working_in_the_Java_editor.3F_Why_doesn.27t_Eclipse_recognize_my_.java_file_as_a_Java_file.3F
[17:45:51] <philk__> is it possible to have a toolbar button created that does not do anything but only acts as a drop-downlist?
[17:46:01] <philk__> i mean using the menuContributions
[17:48:30] <progre55> rcjsuen, appreciate :)
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[18:19:10] <hect> again, I run an app in Eclipse and it runs fine, I run it under knopflerfish and it throws a no class found exception: 'java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/eclipse/swt/widgets/Composite'
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[18:42:07] <philk__> paulweb515: Its not possible to have my drop-down toolbar button menu items also show up in another menu?
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[18:47:18] <linnuxxy> I have TableView with check box... how can I set the items to be checked or unchecked from the ContentProvider?
[18:47:28] <linnuxxy> or the LabelProvider
[18:47:30] <linnuxxy> ?
[18:50:27] <rcjsuen> there's a check state provider
[18:50:38] <linnuxxy> CheckboxTableViewer?
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[18:51:39] <rcjsuen> wel lthat's the class to use
[18:51:43] <rcjsuen> I assumed you were alrdy using that.
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[18:52:40] <asimismo> I'm hitting bug https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=287307 What's the best way to update the SWT-GTK plugin to get the fix?
[18:53:05] <linnuxxy> thank you rcjsuen ... I found it :)
[18:54:03] <rcjsuen> asimismo: I would just download the maintenance build and go from there I guess, would be the fastest and failsafe approach
[18:54:39] <asimismo> rcjsuen: The build of just that plugin? How does one track that down?
[18:54:48] <rcjsuen> I mean an entire build.
[18:54:53] <asimismo> Ah
[18:55:05] <asimismo> Yeah, was afraid you'd say that!
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[18:56:10] <rcjsuen> Or you can use the workaround and live with that for the time being.
[18:56:10] <asimismo> Has anybody tried the Ubuntu 9.10 package for 3.5? (Can't use it, it has this bug, I expect.)
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[18:56:32] <rcjsuen> I believe Fedora applied that patch locally. Ubuntu may have too.
[18:56:36] <asimismo> Didn't seem to work for me. Unless I'm doing it wrong.
[18:56:38] <rcjsuen> You could ask for clarifications in #eclipse-linux.
[18:56:46] <rcjsuen> what, the workaround didn't work you mean?
[18:56:51] <asimismo> Ah, nice. Didn't know about that channel.
[18:57:18] <asimismo> I exported GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS
[18:58:03] <asimismo> Oh, I see what you mean--3.5.1 might be backported.
[18:58:08] <rcjsuen> what did you type in the command line
[18:58:15] <rcjsuen> to be clear, the fix is not in 3.5.1
[18:58:23] <asimismo> export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=true
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[18:58:52] <asimismo> The guy offering to backport wasn't backporting in Eclipse.org source?
[18:59:18] <rcjsuen> Not sure I follow.
[18:59:21] <rcjsuen> The fix went in 3.6
[18:59:33] <rcjsuen> Andrew backported it for 3.5 for Fedora packages.
[18:59:56] <rcjsuen> SWT then recently put the fix in the 3.5 maintenance stream.
[19:00:41] <asimismo> Well, it says it was backported to 3.5.x. Is that 3.5.1 or 3.5.2, or both?
[19:01:14] <rcjsuen> you mean this "Backported fix to 3.5.x stream - will be available in next week's M build.
[19:01:14] <rcjsuen> "?
[19:01:22] <asimismo> Right
[19:01:23] <rcjsuen> it will be in 3.5.2 when it's out
[19:01:33] <rcjsuen> as i noted above, it is not in 3.5.1
[19:01:48] <rcjsuen> but Andrew patched it for the Fedora packages
[19:01:56] <asimismo> Ok, just clarifying. I'll try the Ubuntu package and see if it's fixed.
[19:02:04] <asimismo> If not I'll just download a new build.
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[19:04:12] <rcjsuen> asimismo: So you exported the env var from a terminal, then how did you start Eclipse?
[19:07:08] <FurnaceBoy> rcjsuen: disabling code folding made little or no difference
[19:07:16] <rcjsuen> Guess that wasn't it then.
[19:07:21] <rcjsuen> Are you using the Zend Debugger?
[19:07:24] <FurnaceBoy> no
[19:07:31] <FurnaceBoy> no debugger
[19:07:33] <rcjsuen> okay i only recall those two problems off hand
[19:07:45] <FurnaceBoy> thx
[19:08:08] <rcjsuen> ~294666
[19:08:11] <Arbalest> Bug 294666 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=294666 - PDT / Editor / 2.1.2 - Macintosh / Mac OS X - NEW / critical / - Assignee: php.ui-inbox - The slow-typing monster is back!
[19:08:17] <rcjsuen> o now i remember
[19:08:23] <rcjsuen> FurnaceBoy: Did you try turning off mark occurrences?
[19:10:08] <FurnaceBoy> not yet. lemme see..
[19:10:34] <FurnaceBoy> no effect on keystroke latency
[19:10:57] <FurnaceBoy> btw speed of generic text editor is ok
[19:11:29] <FurnaceBoy> this is a decent system, 3.2GHz P4 HT with plenty of ram
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[19:11:40] <rcjsuen> guess not that either
[19:11:42] <rcjsuen> i'm out of ideas then
[19:11:45] <FurnaceBoy> :)
[19:12:02] <rcjsuen> as there was also ~271233
[19:12:03] <Arbalest> Bug 271233 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=271233 - PDT / Editor / 2.1 - PC / Linux-GTK - RESOLVED / FIXED / normal / - Assignee: php.ui-inbox - mark occurences slows down typing
[19:12:17] <FurnaceBoy> ooh. nice bot.
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[19:16:03] * FurnaceBoy checks 294666
[19:16:15] <FurnaceBoy> i definitely have an infestation of the slow typing monster. feels more like The Alien actually.
[19:16:31] <FurnaceBoy> the kind that tempts me to switch off the main engine cooling and let the whole thing self destruct
[19:16:44] <ZwEnN> hello guys :) i've got a problem with a language package.... since i installed our school's version of eclipe there was the german language pre installed and now i get error messages... i'm sure it's down to this package but i don't know how to uninstall it properly :/ could someone help me?
[19:18:43] <FurnaceBoy> rcjsuen: I would consider that I am seeing 294666.
[19:18:53] <FurnaceBoy> rcjsuen: though not only on mixed files, also on php-only files.
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[19:23:52] <ZwEnN> Why is it always so difficult to get help in irc channels? oO
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[19:25:01] <NoobFukaure> ZwEnN: download the correct language for your use, unzip it and use that
[19:26:01] <FurnaceBoy> rcjsuen: thanks voted up 294666
[19:26:15] <rcjsuen> FurnaceBoy: Good luck. Sorry I can't help, I don't even do PHP. :p
[19:26:49] <FurnaceBoy> rcjsuen: np, you directed at what seems to be the correct bug.
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[19:28:50] <ZwEnN> oO seems as if i was too stupid to find any english language packs for eclipse 3.5
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[19:35:32] <ZwEnN> i think there is no english language pack at all... -.-
[19:35:59] <ZwEnN> so how do i uninstall my package so that everything is english as it has to be?
[19:37:09] <rcjsuen> in the about dialog there's an installation details section you can try to uninstall
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[19:37:19] <rcjsuen> tho i'd probably just go with NoobFukaure's suggestion myself
[19:40:09] <nitind> ZwEnN: Or launch with the -nl switch to force it to use English (assuming it's present).  -nl en should do it, I think.
[19:40:44] <rcjsuen> good point, how idiotic of me
[19:41:26] <ZwEnN> nitind this helped ty
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[19:42:28] <iksik> hello
[19:42:42] <iksik> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ceb/ - is there some tool like this one, but for never versions of eclipse?
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[19:43:08] <nitind> iksik: Does it not work with newer versions of Eclipse?
[19:43:28] <d_a_carver> iksik: it's not maintained any more.  I used to use it.
[19:43:35] <iksik> Hum, I was unable to make it works few months ago
[19:43:53] <iksik> d_a_carver Yeah, I know... that's why I'm here, and asking for some another tool :P
[19:44:04] <nitind> iksik: Tried http://eclipsesource.com/en/yoxos/yoxos-ondemand/ ?
[19:44:19] <d_a_carver> nitind: darn you beat me to it. :)
[19:44:41] <iksik> hum
[19:44:52] <iksik> I can try
[19:44:52] <iksik> :-)
[19:45:04] <iksik> thanks
[19:45:08] <d_a_carver> iksik: yoxos is good I've used it before.
[19:45:10] <nitind> There's a lot more stuff in there than just what's available from eclipse.org.
[19:45:22] <rcjsuen> There's also Pulse I think, or something like that.
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[19:45:42] <d_a_carver> rcjsuen: I had issues with Pulse when I tried it.
[19:45:54] <iksik> hm
[19:46:01] <iksik> and what about "3'th party" plugins?
[19:46:31] <d_a_carver> yoxos has a boat load of 3rd party plugins.  i.e. stuff not hosted at eclipse.org
[19:46:52] <iksik> ie. I'm using logwatch... is it possible to
[19:47:06] <iksik> or PDT versions (not released yet)
[19:47:08] <nitind> verbs are good.
[19:47:23] <d_a_carver> iksik: they might have it, use their Yoxos On Demand version, it's free.
[19:47:26] <nitind> PDT's had releases, even one specifically for Eclipse 3.5.
[19:48:23] <iksik> not released - still under development ( beta, or something )
[19:48:33] <iksik> d_a_carver, ok, I'll tr y
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[19:50:06] <ocean9> hello all
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[19:50:40] <ocean9> can anybody tell me if 3.5 product exports are p2-enabled or not?
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[19:52:47] <ocean9> anybody...?
[19:56:43] <ocean9> hmm
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[20:01:40] <jelly-bean1> since upgrading ubuntu to karmic, in eclipse we ran into the GTK button bug and set the env var to fix that. now we are noticing when we try to do certain things like copy and paste -- the cpu jumps to 100% and eclipse becomes unresponsive for several minutes
[20:01:44] <jelly-bean1> any ideas what that could be
[20:02:06] <jelly-bean1> its not consistent and it is hard to reproduce
[20:02:17] <jelly-bean1> but when it does happen it is most often during a copy/paste operation
[20:02:19] <jelly-bean1> maybe an undo
[20:02:25] <jelly-bean1> and its just plan text on the clipboard--nothing intense
[20:03:19] <ocean9> prolly already a bug report filed
[20:03:30] <ocean9> it might be a known bug
[20:03:45] <rcjsuen> jelly-bean1: i've heard of that hanging problem, someone brought it up on that buttons bug
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[20:20:29] <jelly-bean1> rcjsuen: do u have any links? i am not seeing it on that bug ticket
[20:21:40] <rcjsuen> ~291257
[20:21:43] <Arbalest> Bug 291257 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=291257 - Platform / SWT / 3.5.1 - PC / Linux - NEW / major / - Assignee: gheorghe - [Widgets] Buttons functionality problem with GTK+ 2.18
[20:22:53] <rhk> that one needs it's fix backported into some kind of interim release or something
[20:23:12] <rhk> it's amazing how many people are affected
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[20:24:30] <rcjsuen> well that's in the 3.5.2 stream builds
[20:24:34] <rcjsuen> so one could pick those up if they so desire
[20:24:45] <danabnormal> hey guys. is there a function in eclipse where during a breakpoint you can execute commands against the running environment for testing etc?
[20:24:47] <jelly-bean1> rcjsuen: right but i am saying i already fixed that with the button. im suggesting that this other problem is also related to running eclipse on karmic
[20:24:55] <rhk> is it going to end up in the galilieo update site soon?
[20:24:59] <rcjsuen> jelly-bean1: " i've heard of that hanging problem, someone brought it up on that buttons bug"
[20:25:04] <jelly-bean1> its not there
[20:25:15] <jelly-bean1> what comment
[20:25:15] <rcjsuen> rhk: in feb i guess
[20:25:19] <rcjsuen> let's see now
[20:25:21] <rhk> heh
[20:25:24] <rhk> that's a while
[20:25:39] <rcjsuen> jelly-bean1: i was referring to comment 49
[20:27:01] <rcjsuen> That's the extent of what I know about the hanging problems, at least, off-hand anyway, can't recall anything else at the moment.
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[20:31:02] <jelly-bean1> what is the 'latest matinenance release' of eclipse pdt
[20:31:10] <jelly-bean1> http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/downloads/  theres a lot to choose from
[20:31:25] <jelly-bean1> i dont want to build source. i am accustomed to all-in-one, extract, and run
[20:31:31] <jelly-bean1> is there one like that
[20:31:47] <iksik> http://www.zend.com/en/community/pdt
[20:32:34] <ocean9> anybody know if the 3.5 product export produces a p2 enabled product?
[20:32:45] <iksik> and I didn't notice any issues with eclipse after upgrading ubuntu into 9.10
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[20:46:13] <ocean9> isik really?
[20:47:33] <d_a_carver> ocean9: it won't automatically add update site capabilities if that is what you are referring to in product export.
[20:47:56] <d_a_carver> ocean9: it does create a p2 repository though.
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[20:49:40] <thdr> do somebody uses here eclipse-php-galileo-SR1-linux-gtk-x86_64,  I'm not able to define the php executable in preferences ;-/
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[20:51:12] <ocean9> dacarver: hmm ok
[20:51:50] <ocean9> dacarver: I have my own p2 frontend. I was wondering if the executable exported would even b e capable of autoupdating
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[21:27:29] <gizmore> i think i found a reproduceable bug, but i don`t know how to report it
[21:27:37] <gizmore> for PDT
[21:28:01] <rcjsuen> ~tell gizmore about bugzilla
[21:28:01] <Arbalest> gizmore: Eclipse Bugzilla - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/
[21:28:02] <rcjsuen> Enjoy
[21:28:09] <gizmore> do i need to register?
[21:28:16] <rcjsuen> Yes, you do.
[21:28:20] <gizmore> :/
[21:28:44] <nitind> Mostly it's so you can be emailed about updates to the bug.  You *do* want to know when it's fixed, right?
[21:29:01] <gizmore> could anyone with PDT retry and report it if reproduceable? just define a var $define, or try a function param: function (array $define)
[21:29:39] <nitind> gizmore: Not going to work.  For one thing we don't even know which build of PDT you're on.
[21:29:47] <rcjsuen> You could also try running a query in Bugzilla to see if someone else has reported the bug.
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[21:31:11] <daggs1> hello, I've got a question, I'm trying to install mylyn under eclipse 3.5.1 but when I try to connect to the repository, I get 403 access forbidden error, is there a problem in the servers?
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[23:34:49] <scroogey> hello
[23:34:56] <scroogey> apparently i have to ask it here :)
[23:35:08] <scroogey> i am looking for a way to get code templates support in every editor in eclipse
[23:37:23] <scroogey> like http://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/features/code_templates.html#Live_Templates
[23:37:30] <scroogey> some eclipse plugins got it but not all :/
[23:37:40] <nitind> Which ones are missing it?
[23:37:53] <scroogey> flex builder from adobe :)
[23:38:03] <scroogey> i thought maybe i can hack it in somehow via a plugin
[23:38:15] <scroogey> its type + crl-space normally and insert it at the current caret position
[23:38:22] <scroogey> so i need some global editor hook...
[23:38:30] <rcjsuen> I was about to say, that doesn't look like Swing, then I realized it's VS. ;)
[23:39:09] <scroogey> saves a lot of typing ;)
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[23:43:40] <scroogey> i hoped for some hook to make work everywhere
[23:50:28] <scroogey> rcjsuen: no ideas ?
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[23:55:46] <erdal> scroogey: what do you mean by "hook"?
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[23:58:56] <Sal> hello
[23:59:10] <Sal> i'm trying to open a .php file with my html editor and i get this error:
[23:59:12] <Sal> Could not open the editor: org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui.internal.StructuredTextViewer cannot be cast to org.eclipse.php.internal.ui.editor.PHPStructuredTextViewer
[23:59:20] <Sal> can that be fixed?





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