[00:00:13] <toulmean> njbartlett: see higher on the thread, I attached the activator code
[00:00:20] <toulmean> nitind: ok, let's try that.
[00:00:33] <njbartlett> toulmean: The -dev flag is absolutely required to run in self-hosting. It's basically a hack
[00:00:50] <nitind> toulmean: it's complaining about your DesignerCmdlineApplication class, not the activator.
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[00:00:50] <toulmean> njbartlett: but it's not in the arguments ?
[00:01:03] <toulmean> nitind: doh
[00:01:15] <toulmean> nitind: thx. Looking there now then.
[00:01:31] <nitind> toulmean: Are you not seeing any errors reported in your Problems view?
[00:01:34] <toulmean> njbartlett: I mean, if you create a new Eclipse run config, it's not in the args. It may be added.
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[00:01:44] <toulmean> nitind: no
[00:01:59] <nitind> I would expect that to be caught and shown there.
[00:02:02] <njbartlett> toulmean: It's not in the visible args in the launcher dialog. It gets secretly added. It's part of PDE's magic :-)
[00:02:27] <toulmean> njbartlett: yes, that's what I mean. And adding it twice somehow was an issue.
[00:02:34] <toulmean> nitind: me too.
[00:03:20] <njbartlett> toulmean: The reason for -dev mode is that at runtime, your Bundle-Classpath header says "." (dot) but your classes are not actually in "dot", they are in "target/classes". So -dev hacks the runtime to make Equinox look somewhere else
[00:03:56] <njbartlett> toulmean: Now I'm wondering if -dev mode knows that your classes are in target/classes and not in bin/, which is the usual place
[00:04:06] <toulmean> njbartlett: I see.
[00:04:15] <toulmean> njbartlett: well we have jumped that shark now.
[00:04:28] <nitind> toulmean: What's the argument list and types for DesignerCmdlineApplication#start) ?
[00:04:31] <toulmean> njbartlett: it now complains about something else: my start method on my Eclipse app class is not ok.
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[00:04:45] <toulmean> nitind: public Object start(IApplicationContext context) throws Exception {
[00:05:00] <toulmean> nitind: Eclipse is fine with it.
[00:05:19] <njbartlett> toulmean: Err yes, so you've turned off -dev mode and things are still working at all? Now I'm confused!
[00:05:41] <toulmean> njbartlett: so I had added -dev to my arguments.
[00:05:50] <toulmean> njbartlett: looks like it was there two times.
[00:06:07] <toulmean> njbartlett: hence the ClassNotFoundException or something.
[00:06:23] <njbartlett> toulmean: Aha, interesting. I guess adding it again overrode the settings from JDT about where the classes should be. Weird.
[00:06:25] <toulmean> njbartlett: I removed it from Run Configs>My Config>Arguments and now I'm fine.
[00:06:37] <toulmean> njbartlett: weird indeed. I also removed the -debug flag.
[00:06:49] <toulmean> I really added a lot of stuff to that config.
[00:07:03] <nitind> toulmean: Don't add -debug yourself.  The tracing tab will do it for you behind-the-scenes.
[00:07:22] <toulmean> nitind: ok. Yes it's removed.
[00:07:33] <nitind> toulmean: And your app class implements org.eclipse.equinox.app.IApplication ?
[00:08:01] <toulmean> nitind: yes.
[00:14:00] <nitind> toulmean: Same error as http://pastie.org/734483 still?
[00:14:21] <toulmean> nitind: yes, even after cleaning.
[00:16:22] <nitind> toulmean: I'd say start with a new launch configuration, then, changing as little as possible from the defaults.  And for goodness sake, turn autobuilds on.
[00:17:11] <njbartlett> toulmean: Hmm VerifyError should never happen, the problem should be caught during compilation. Usually it only happens when you do a partial recompilation after changing stuff.
[00:17:31] <toulmean> nitind: what does it bring ?
[00:17:54] <toulmean> nitind: what if I want to have build turned off so I can debug as much as I want and use a predefined delta for incremental build ?
[00:18:13] <toulmean> njbartlett: I think that or the runtime env doesn't match.
[00:18:35] <njbartlett> toulmean: Doesn't match waht?
[00:18:48] <toulmean> njbartlett: for example if you don't use the same java
[00:18:59] <toulmean> njbartlett: oh well.
[00:20:13] <toulmean> I'm sorry guys. It's weird I can make that stuff work.
[00:20:28] <toulmean> nitind: probably right, let me do a new launch config.
[00:21:55] <toulmean> nitind: I still get the same error.
[00:22:06] * toulmean mutters "Damn"
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[00:32:36] <toulmean> s/It's weird I can make that stuff work./It's weird I can't make that stuff work./
[00:32:48] * toulmean will try again tomorrow...
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[02:10:39] <coachz> does eclipse support indentation based code folding ?
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[02:57:41] <Rudy_Steiner> any body from brazil????
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[02:59:01] <rcjsuen> Why do you ask? :o
[02:59:29] <philk__> ~brazil
[02:59:38] <philk__> ;)
[03:01:20] <Rudy_Steiner> because i don't speak inglish very well!  :(
[03:01:43] <Rudy_Steiner> philk__ Do you speak portuguese?
[03:01:45] <rcjsuen> you seem to be doing okay so far
[03:01:53] <Accolade> you should ask if anybody speaks Portugese (just saying ;)
[03:01:59] <rcjsuen> you could try to get by with English for the time being
[03:02:08] <Accolade> I agree
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[03:04:53] <Rudy_Steiner> ok
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[03:15:11] <philk__> are the any plans for a Equinox Monitor Admin impl?
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[04:27:44] <philk__> rcjsuen: how would I facilitate a workbench parts progress-service to make its title italic and bold in case it had changed while in background (using DTCM)
[04:29:14] <rcjsuen> philk__: Rephrase?
[04:29:31] <rcjsuen> to make it bold you use
[04:29:35] <rcjsuen> IWSPS's warnOfContentChange() method
[04:29:50] <philk__> rcjsuen: during the refresh of the tree i want it to enter its busy state
[04:30:12] <philk__> rcjsuen: at the end of the refresh i want it to call warnOfContentChange()
[04:30:32] <rcjsuen> I'm not sure if there's API to force it to be italicized.
[04:31:28] <rcjsuen> Prakash wrote some stuff wrt the IWSPS
[04:31:53] <rcjsuen> i guess maybe if you called showBusy by hand
[04:31:56] <rcjsuen> http://blog.eclipse-tips.com/2009/02/using-progress-bars.html
[04:32:32] <philk__> rcjsuen: the progressService schedule method should do that busy increment
[04:32:39] <rcjsuen> right, it should
[04:33:09] <rcjsuen> but that'd be in a job and refreshing would be in a ui thread
[04:33:12] <rcjsuen> unless I'm missing something
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[04:36:53] <wipeout> i accidentally disable the compile with errors without warning. does anyone know how to re-enable it
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[04:50:05] <m0> I am wondering, why doesn't my eclipse update to 3.5.1 automatically?
[04:50:15] <m0> It says, there are no updates and I only have 3.5.0
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[06:05:03] <ldlework> Is there anything that would let me automate Close Project, windows commandline command, open Project?
[06:05:15] <ldlework> This is needed to emulate a functioning git pull, since egit does not support it.
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[06:30:54] <philk__> paulweb515: is it possible to provide additional icons to the "Resource Browse" dialog?
[06:31:07] <philk__> paulweb515: I mean additional locations to search for icons?
[06:32:50] <philk__> the "Resource Attribute Value". I would like to facilitate the IconFinder API to allow for search and automatical download of icons into projects directly from this dialog.
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[07:27:45] <therealpxc> very quick question: can eclipse plugins be installed locally to ~/.eclipse?
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[07:39:50] <kikz4life> hi there everyone
[07:40:03] <kikz4life> anyone here using the eclipse birt design/
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[07:40:37] <kikz4life> just want to ask if it possible to import an database schema from the eclipse
[07:41:12] <kikz4life> inside the schema are those like the sql query (ie. select * from table where id = ?)
[07:41:18] <kikz4life> is that possible?
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[07:59:04] <BigJ> when I go to help software updates I get cannot launch update UI this installation has not be configured properly for software updates
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[08:22:14] <philk_> paulweb515: I would like to have the same menu items in a pull-down button inside a toolbar as well as in the main menu as a submen. Is that possible?
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[08:41:03] <Kemeros> Hello, i'm using Stanford's version of eclipse 3.2 to learn java and can't seem to use any shortcuts like the delete key or F5 in the workbench. Been looking for an hours on google but there does't seem to be anyone that experiences that... does anyone have a clue how to fix this?
[08:42:09] <Kemeros> an hours heh
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[08:58:59] <CodeWar> any idea where the downloads for different platforms are .. in particular i m looking for galileo on opensolaris
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[09:01:27] <CodeWar> never mind found it http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.5.1-200909170800/eclipse-SDK-3.5.1-solaris-gtk-x86.zip
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[09:16:28] <kostmo> I'm writing an eclipse plugin that opens a file and should move to a particular line number, but the methods that came up on Google aren't working
[09:17:36] <kostmo> specifically this method won't compile: ((ITextEditor)org.eclipse.jdt.ui.JavaUI.openInEditor(compilationUnit)).selectAndReveal(int, int);
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[09:17:47] <kostmo> I found it here: http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.newcomer/msg13207.html
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[09:18:29] <kostmo> Can anybody help?
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[09:26:43] <w0lfshad3> where do i get the source for java.lang.*, i tried two jdk source packages already and they don't integrate with eclipse
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[09:40:12] <xjih78> hi everybody
[09:40:24] <xjih78> I'm working on a eclipse classic on a gnu/linux box.
[09:41:09] <xjih78> sometimes it doesn't obey when I do a task like adding/removing plugins
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[09:43:36] <philk_> paulweb515: how would I make a certain menu contribution toggle its visibility depending on the toggle state of a command?
[09:44:01] <philk_> paulweb515: I have to toggle command in place, but have no idea how I would grab the contribution and make it re-evaluate its visibility?
[09:47:40] <swente> now as i have created a property-page for projects having my (custom) facet enabled, i would like to refresh the properties-dialog when the facet is en|dis-abled, to make that page [dis]appear. (is this possible at all?)
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[09:54:04] <hooch> is it normal for eclipse (pdt) to lag?  sometimes it takes a few seconds to echo my keystrokes, saving can also take a few seconds.  it seems to happen at some times, but not others?
[09:54:35] <swente> hooch: is the system eventually swapping?
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[10:04:20] <hooch> swente: not at all.  there's 8gb of memory and nothing else of any consequence happening
[10:04:36] <hooch> ohh i need to assign more ram to the java runtime or something?
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[10:08:20] <hooch> thanks i'll see how this goes now.  i've also turned off apple's Spotlight thing on my workspace directory
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[10:10:27] <swente> hooch: mmh JRE memory .. if it runs out, it would give you a sign (jre does no swapping itself)
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[10:17:13] <hooch> swente: i think it's also a factor of the php debugger validating files on the fly?
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[10:22:19] <swente> hooch: i can't really judge, honestly i'm not familiar with PDT. debugging .. remote-debugging also might bring some network-latency - with a high-latency connection this might also cause problems (in general)
[10:24:35] <hooch> hm no it's a local thing
[10:28:30] <philk_> paulweb515: can I use the preference value saved by RegistryToggleState as enablement for another contribution? Basically I would like to show the other contribution only if the toggle state is true. That should work also after restarting the workbench
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[10:53:18] <ap73> Hello! I have been searching in Google and have found some references relating to be able to develop
[10:53:42] <ap73> ARM code for Windows CE using Eclipse.  What I can't find are the tools to allow me to do it.
[10:54:03] <ap73> Can anyone point me to the plugins that I need?
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[11:01:25] <xjih78> I have trouble setting up eclipse for gnu/linux
[11:02:29] <xjih78> some settings won't change at all
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[11:04:27] <xjih78> I can't find anything on this issue
[11:06:22] <ralf_e> xjih78, what do you mean by "some settings won't change at all"?
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[11:08:30] <Egelmex> xjih78: ~info
[11:08:30] <Arbalest> Please state a) your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), b) operating system (Windows, Linux, OSX, etc.), c) your Java runtime environment (please verify by checking your ~logs or in the about dialog's ~jre section. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), d) your Eclipse version, and e) where did you get Eclipse from (eclipse.org, distro repository, etc.).
[11:08:44] <Egelmex> xjih78: as well as which settings won't change
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[11:30:15] <njbartlett> philk_: Ping
[11:31:00] <philk_> njbartlett: yes
[11:31:15] <njbartlett> philk_: Oh hi was just about to reply to your bug
[11:31:23] <philk_> njbartlett: thats fine :)
[11:31:25] <njbartlett> philk_: Are you using the latest code? I already fixed the first issue
[11:31:34] <philk_> njbartlett: yes I am
[11:31:47] <njbartlett> philk_: Now it should just eat the NoSuchMethodError and continue
[11:32:02] <philk_> njbartlett: checking...
[11:32:03] <njbartlett> philk_: Hmm then can you attach a stack trace to the bug?
[11:32:35] <philk_> njbartlett: to which bug?
[11:32:50] <philk_> with the unbind?
[11:32:55] <njbartlett> philk_: http://github.com/njbartlett/Extensions2Services/issues#issue/2
[11:33:21] <philk_> njbartlett: just a sec
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[11:35:36] <philk_> njbartlett: there you go
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[11:57:23] <philk_> njbartlett: hmmm just pulled the git repo and the namespace of your extensions has changed from name.njbartlett to eu.wwuk.eclipse.extsvcs*
[12:00:04] <njbartlett> philk_: Hmm it shouldn't have had that extension for ages. When did you last pull?
[12:02:11] <philk_> just now
[12:02:21] <philk_> the master
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[12:04:26] <njbartlett> philk_: Well it hasn't been under name.neilbartlett for a long time
[12:06:23] <philk_> njbartlett: the downloadable bundle is
[12:07:05] <njbartlett> philk_: What downloadable bundle?
[12:07:55] <philk_> njbartlett: from the git site
[12:08:01] <philk_> when you click download
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[12:09:03] <njbartlett> philk_: well that's odd... github problem perhaps
[12:12:39] <magnet> i pulled it last week and it was in name.neilbartlett
[12:13:34] <njbartlett> magnet: Hmm. Then maybe I didn't push changes when I thought I had. Sorry about that.
[12:14:14] <magnet> mhh, in what package do you want it to be? :)
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[12:22:32] <codesmart> Hello, is it generally possible to use interfaces in databinding? my tool complains that the proeprty class is abstract.
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[12:40:42] <hect> hi!
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[12:42:26] <hect> I want to run a GUI application using a thread. I created a class that extends Thread, in the run() method I execute this: Display display = Display.getDefault(); but it gets frozen
[12:42:32] <hect> any help?
[12:42:37] <hect> I'm working with SWT
[12:45:18] <erdal> hect: have a look at the swt snippets
[12:45:26] <philk_> njbartlett: from the git site, when you click the download
[12:45:42] <philk_> njbartlett: whats up with the "property" tag for the factory element?
[12:46:03] <erdal> hect: http://www.eclipse.org/swt/snippets/
[12:46:08] <hect> cool
[12:46:52] <erdal> and maybe you shoudl get familiar with swt in general
[12:47:31] <hect> can't find anything thread related...
[12:48:35] <erdal> cause that is the wrong direction :-)
[12:48:58] <hect> nice
[12:49:25] <njbartlett> philk_: I've started to add the capability to publish an extension object as a service
[12:50:00] <philk_> njbartlett: but its a required tag... now my plugin.xml all became invalid
[12:50:14] <njbartlett> philk_: Required?? You sure?
[12:51:31] <philk_> yes... 1..*
[12:51:49] <njbartlett> philk_: Oops. Let me just fix that and push again :-)
[12:53:02] <philk_> njbartlett: sure sure :)
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[12:54:02] <njbartlett> philk_: Done
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[12:55:13] <hect> any help on how to open a graphic app from a thread using swt ?
[12:56:04] <erdal> afaik, swt must run in the main thread
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[12:56:37] <erdal> i.e. your Display has to be created in the main thread
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[12:58:19] <philk_> njbartlett: refreshing index...
[12:58:46] <njbartlett> hect: This message is relevant: http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/equinox-dev/msg02825.html
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[12:59:10] <hect> mmm interesting
[12:59:25] <njbartlett> hect: Ping rcjsuen when you see him
[12:59:56] <hect> will do
[13:02:31] <njbartlett> hect: I could be wrong, but it looks like that message implies you will need to use Equinox rather than Knopflerfish, because it has the support for running stuff on the main thread. However Knopflerfish might be able to do something similar. How about raising a support query with Makewave guys?
[13:03:58] <hect> njbartlett: where's the right place for that?
[13:04:20] <hect> anyway, I think this is quite a common problem... there should be an easy solution
[13:05:18] <njbartlett> hect: Not sure the right place for that. Doesn't Knopflerfish have its own mailing list?
[13:05:35] <njbartlett> hect: I'm not sure it is such a common problem. Most people using OSGi and SWT are doing Eclipse RCP
[13:05:45] <philk_> njbartlett: the schema is not updated yet? What do I need to do with eGit to get the new version?  I am new to git .)
[13:06:21] <njbartlett> philk_: Err I don't use EGit, I would just do a git pull from the command line
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[13:06:57] <njbartlett> philk_: Free online git book: http://progit.org/
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[13:11:06] <mcp_> Can someone tell me how to use java.util.Calendar in an EMF model?
[13:11:16] <njbartlett> hect: http://www.knopflerfish.org/mailman/listinfo
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[13:13:22] <philk_> is it possible to add a new formatter to MessageFormat? I would like to add file size formatter...
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[13:16:04] <philk_> rcjsuen: got it working, my problem yesterday night
[13:16:28] <philk_> rcjsuen: also njbartlett wants you to read this http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/equinox-dev/msg02825.html
[13:17:41] <rcjsuen> BigJ: How did you install Eclipse?
[13:17:49] <rcjsuen> philk_: Did Neil say why?
[13:18:06] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Actually hect wants some help with launching SWT in a thread
[13:18:31] <rcjsuen> I'm not that far in the logs yet.
[13:18:31] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: philk_ is lying to you as well as stalking you ;-)
[13:19:04] <philk_> rcjsuen: pffff
[13:19:11] <philk_> njbartlett: pfffff
[13:19:11] <philk_> :)
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[13:27:10] <hect> rcjsuen: If I launch the GUI (swt) from a bundle's activator, the osgi framework freezes until the GUI is closed. If I put the code in a thread, it freezes as soon as it reaches the line: Display display = Display.getDefault();  any help with this?
[13:27:50] <rcjsuen> Not familiar with that stuff I'm afraid.
[13:28:25] <hect> oki ;)
[13:30:50] <paulweb515> hect: SWT (just like swing) depends on a single Event Dispatch Thread (the UI thread)
[13:31:17] <hect> aha
[13:31:30] <paulweb515> hect: RCP apps and the IDE work because they run the SWT dispatch loop from their IApplication
[13:34:51] <hect> I can't use RCP
[13:37:13] <hect> this works with swing: SwingUtilities.invokeLater(new Runnable() {
[13:37:13] <hect>             public void run() {
[13:37:14] <hect>                 m_frame = new JFrame("Main application");
[13:37:14] <hect>                 setContent();
[13:37:14] <hect>             }
[13:37:14] <hect>         });
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[13:40:13] <paulweb515> hect: what are you using, anyway?  Just an OSGI app?
[13:40:28] <hect> what do you mean?
[13:41:12] <paulweb515> You have a bundle ... so what is hosting it?  Your own RCP app?  The Eclipse IDE? an OSGI application?
[13:41:43] <hect> my own visual app
[13:41:55] <erdal> hect: you could start a new jvm (ugly, just a workaround)
[13:42:24] <erdal> and use some kind if IPC
[13:42:27] <paulweb515> hect: which is an RCP app
[13:42:28] <erdal> of
[13:42:44] <hect> paulweb515: I guess, yes ;9
[13:42:46] <hect> ;)
[13:43:06] <paulweb515> so why can't you launch SWT from your IApplication?
[13:43:26] <erdal> he is using knoplerfish, i guess this was the problem
[13:43:44] * paulweb515 grumbles
[13:43:46] <ralf_e> hect, i just tried this, http://pastie.org/735300 works perfectly for me
[13:43:53] <ralf_e> at least it does in Equinox :)
[13:43:57] <paulweb515> so an OSGi app then!
[13:44:11] <rcjsuen> ralf_e: You're on a Mac?
[13:44:22] <ralf_e> linux
[13:44:23] <hect> mmm let's see
[13:44:33] <ralf_e> but shouldn't make a difference, should it?
[13:44:46] <rcjsuen> ralf_e: Yes it does due to Mac specifics.
[13:45:02] <ralf_e> rcjsuen, how? what's different?
[13:45:21] <rcjsuen> ralf_e: http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/equinox-dev/msg02825.html
[13:45:41] <ralf_e> rcjsuen, argh :)
[13:45:41] <paulweb515> hect: to make SWT work you need one thread (in our apps it's the main one) running the display event loop:  while (!display.isDisposed()) { if (!display.readAndDispatch()) { display.sleep() } }
[13:46:31] <ralf_e> i guess for RCP apps some tricky magic goes on to execute the event loop in the main thread?
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[13:47:15] <paulweb515> ralf_e: specifically org.eclipse.osgi.service.runnable.ApplicationLauncher  :-)
[13:47:30] <hect> mmm
[13:47:45] <ralf_e> good to know, wasn't aware that something special is going on in that regard
[13:47:55] <paulweb515> ralf_e: well, on the mac
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[13:48:18] <ralf_e> paulweb515, even was hoping that you could run the workbench on plain osgi in a far, far away future :)
[13:49:33] <paulweb515> ralf_e: you can (just not on the Mac :-)
[13:49:53] <philk_> paulweb515: can I use the preference value saved by RegistryToggleState as enablement for another contribution? Basically I would like to show the other contribution only if the toggle state is true. That should work also after restarting the workbench
[13:51:14] <ralf_e> paulweb515, is there some bug for tracking this problem? would be too cool if this would be possible, even on the mac :)
[13:51:34] <ralf_e> paulweb515, just running swt from a plain osgi activator is fun in itself :)
[13:51:36] <rcjsuen> ralf_e: That would require intervention on Apple's part I believe.
[13:51:47] <paulweb515> philk_: only if you found a way to publish that to the eval service ... preferences aren't there by default
[13:52:31] <paulweb515> ralf_e: the mac is the most complicated platform to solve it on (i.e. it would be the last :-)  because of the UI thread must be the main thread problem
[13:52:36] <philk_> paulweb515: so suppose I have the toggle command in place... how would I modify the visibility of another contribution? I would guess by using a context?
[13:52:40] <ralf_e> rcjsuen, i guess there is no official/supported way to run code on the main thread in an osgi application :)
[13:53:15] <philk_> paulweb515: the problem is, the checkstate is persisted but the context is not re-activated upon workbench start, even if the toggle state is read back.
[13:53:32] <paulweb515> philk_: Tie the preference to a context (but you don't want to go hog wild with one context per preference) or write a source that exposes the preference to the IEvaluationService
[13:53:40] <rcjsuen> ralf_e: If you use the IApplication way that would work AFAIK. But that is an Equinox concept and not OSGi.
[13:54:09] <hect> paulweb515:  your example is not working for me under knopflerfish
[13:55:45] <paulweb515> hect: are you on a mac?
[13:55:54] <hect> i'm on win XP
[13:56:37] <philk_> paulweb515: my scenaria is that I want to have a toggle contribution that shows/hides another contribution. Since there is no way to get a specific contribution by ID and make it disappear (or make its isVisible() return false) i think the cleanest way would indeed be a property tester for preferences. A preferences source would then trigger the re-evaluation of every contribution that evaluates preferences property tester?
[13:57:02] <paulweb515> hect: I didn't give you an example ... just a statement.  One thread has to create the display and then run the event loop, and that thread will block as long as SWT is running
[13:57:18] <ralf_e> hect, you mean the pastie I posted? what happens?
[13:57:21] <paulweb515> hect: so in knopperfish, how are you going to pick the correct thread to run the SWT event loop?
[13:57:22] <hect> I see
[13:58:05] <paulweb515> hect: once you have the event loop running, any thread can use display.asyncExec(Runnable) to post SWT code to the UI thread (similar to invokeLater(*) for Swing)
[13:58:20] <njbartlett> Hmm if not running on a Mac then the code from ralf_e should work fine with any OSGi framework. hect, what is the error you get from it?
[13:59:23] <hect> Exception in thread "Thread-14" [stderr] java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-win32-3555 or swt-win32 in swt.library.path, java.library.path or the jar file
[14:00:08] <paulweb515> hect: you need 2 .jars for SWT unless you get it as a separate project from the eclipse download page
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[14:10:49] <philk_> paulweb515: If I would not implement a source but just a propertytester for preferences, how would I make IEvaluationService re-evaluate all expressions that use this particular property tester?
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[14:11:23] <philk_> paulweb515: the propertytester itself would register itself as a PreferenceChangeListener or so
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[14:15:00] <ralf_e> hect, do you have the swt fragment for win32 in your run config?
[14:15:19] <ralf_e> (not sure if some Equinox magic is going on to include the native libraries)
[14:17:04] <paulweb515> philk_: I wouldn't depend on your property tester to do that ... but anybody could register themselves as a listener on that preference and request a property re-evaluation
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[14:19:58] <philk_> paulweb515: now the contribution i want to hide/show can be display lazy... so there would actually no code executed that the contribution could itself register as a preference listener
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[14:37:08] <Echidna> what are command categories for
[14:37:39] <Echidna> i get warnings "!MESSAGE Commands should really have a category:" for those that use categoryId='org.eclipse.ui.category.dialogs'
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[14:51:42] <paulweb515> Echidna: command categories show up in the Keys preference page
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[14:57:22] <philk_> paulweb515: just one more question regarding the toggling... is there any example inside Eclipse itself where this is used?
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[15:01:57] <paulweb515> philk_: I don't believe so ... Automatic Build would be an example when it is finally converted from an action to a command
[15:02:46] <philk_> paulweb515: I will have to wait until this happens and now hack something together
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[15:07:31] <philk_> when I want to update a workbench control from another thread... should I use a WorkbenchJob/UIJob for that or just Display.async()?
[15:10:40] <rcjsuen> generally i try to use the former
[15:11:44] <philk_> it seems that eGit is constantly scanning the repository... I will uninstall it until that has been fixed
[15:12:02] <philk_> rcjsuen: and whats the difference between WJ and UIJob?
[15:12:13] <rcjsuen> philk_: You can look at the implementation to find out ;)
[15:12:25] <rcjsuen> i think the main diff is the shouldRun() method override
[15:12:41] <philk_> rcjsuen: of course I could do that :) Yeah, the WJ checks for the workbench
[15:12:51] <rcjsuen> i usually use WJ
[15:12:59] <rcjsuen> better safe than sorry as i often like to say
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[15:23:53] <philk_> rcjsuen: I need to constantly poll a USB devices power status. I would use a WJ for that. But what happens, if the user cancels the WJ in the UI? How would I restart it again?
[15:24:56] <philk_> njbartlett: say, in a DS component that consumes Listeners I would like to further filter the listeners I want to call... ComponentContext.locateServices does not give me the ability to specify a filter. So I guess I would have to resort to BC.getServiceReferences(filter)?
[15:24:58] <rhk> philk_: what's your polling rate?
[15:25:13] <philk_> rhk: the poll rate is user defined... 10 secs or so
[15:25:24] <rhk> ok, so not fast or anything
[15:25:26] <philk_> rhk: but the user should have to ability to stop the polling
[15:25:58] <philk_> rhk: no, batter status as well as memory status we do not need to update so often... what if we had to update in sec steps?
[15:26:42] <rhk> I have some devices I poll 100 times per second. I use my own thread and signal it
[15:26:47] <rhk> for start/stop
[15:27:11] <njbartlett> philk_: I think locateServices does allow you to filter, using the target attribute on the reference element
[15:27:23] <njbartlett> philk_: Or you can just use the Event Strategy instead of lookups
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[15:28:04] <philk_> njbartlett: yes, but that would be a static filter... I need to adjust the filter during runtime... depending on the notifications properties
[15:28:23] <elver> Can anyone recommend a good CSV editing/viewing plugin for Eclipse?
[15:28:34] <njbartlett> philk_: Oh I see. Then you're going beyond the facilities provided by DS
[15:29:06] <philk_> njbartlett: I would rather not use the EventAdmin here, cause calling the listeners directly with an object is easier as deciphering the object into EventAdmin dictionaries
[15:30:25] <njbartlett> philk_: Yes but remember DS is not meant to support every possible use case... more like 80% of them. Dynamic filtering of bound services is outside that 80%. You will have to use the API instead.
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[15:31:30] <philk_> njbartlett: thats no problem. I will use the API, just thought I missed something
[15:31:42] <rcjsuen> philk_: when the user starts it again wouldn't you just spawn a new job
[15:32:48] <philk_> rcjsuen: using a command? That command would then have to be invisble when the job is running, and visible when it has been stopped...
[15:33:46] <njbartlett> philk_: I've fixed that issue in e2s with the unbind method. I'd already done it for the bind method but forgot the unbind. Doh!
[15:34:38] <rcjsuen> Well, I don't know how the user is supposed to start it. A job listener would be required for monitoring changes.
[15:35:36] <philk_> njbartlett: hmmm shouldn't the bind method be there always? Or could it be that you do not care about a service but reference it anway?
[15:37:22] <philk_> rcjsuen: for now I will just mark the job as not visible to the user :)
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[15:45:47] <philk_> njbartlett: thanks for the update on git
[15:46:22] <philk_> njbartlett: I asked that before... would you prefer status updates sent through EventAdmin or directly to listeners, using the WB pattern?
[15:46:25] <njbartlett> philk_: No problem, BTW feel free to fork and fix yourself when you find problems like this, I'm open to pull requests.
[15:46:49] <philk_> njbartlett: then I would first have to know how to fork and push in git.... will take some time to get used to it
[15:47:08] <njbartlett> philk_: Sure but Git is the future so better to get used to it in a small project now :-)
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[15:47:24] <guest123> hello
[15:47:34] <guest123> i am having some troubles with eclipse
[15:47:44] <guest123> I cannot connect to internet from it
[15:47:53] <philk_> njbartlett: i know its the future.. tell this some of my clients... still using cvs and thinking about upgrading to svn next year
[15:47:56] <guest123> neither internet nor localhost
[15:47:59] <njbartlett> philk_: Whiteboard pattern and EventAdmin both have their place. The topic filtering functionality of EventAdmin is complicated to replicate in your own WB components, though.
[15:48:28] <njbartlett> philk_: Sheesh. Just tell them to skip over SVN
[15:48:30] <hect> ralf_e: I just took the example you sent me (swt + osgi) It doesn't work on eclipse or knopflerfish :(
[15:48:37] <guest123> the problem is also same in new instalation
[15:49:25] <njbartlett> hect: Is it still the DLL error?
[15:49:38] <guest123> i am using debian
[15:49:53] <hect> njbartlett: yeah, this one: http://www.eclipse.org/swt/faq.php#missingdll
[15:49:55] <njbartlett> guest123: You're going to have to explain what "cannot connect to the internet" could mean
[15:50:25] <philk_> njbartlett: now I am implementing this Battery Status watcher service... It has 1..n on EventHandler(target=(battery/*)) and therefore only gets instantiated when there is actually a listener that is interested in Battery status updates... now would you create more topics? like battery/LOW battery/CRITICAL battery/CHARGING battery/DISCHARGING
[15:50:36] <ralf_e> hect, check your run configuration
[15:50:41] <guest123> njbartlett: Operation failed with exception 'java.net.SocketException
[15:50:49] <guest123> whenever i try to connect
[15:50:54] <hect> ralf_e: where's that?
[15:51:04] <guest123> rse, svn, updates...
[15:51:06] <philk_> njbartlett: or would you rather have just one Topic for battery events... and filter on the properties?
[15:51:09] <ralf_e> hect, Run > Run Configurations
[15:51:27] <ralf_e> hect, here you can configure the bundles with which your bundle is started in the osgi container
[15:51:45] <rhk> guest123: are you running a firewall? are you behind a proxy?
[15:51:47] <hect> ralf_e: oh yeah, I see now
[15:52:23] <guest123> no and no
[15:52:26] <guest123> iptables are clean
[15:52:36] <ralf_e> hect, you should have org.eclipse.swt (because you have a dependency to it, I guess) and you also need org.eclipse.swt.*yourplatform* (which should be added automatically when you click "Add Required Bundles")
[15:53:38] <hect> where should those appear? under the bundles tab?
[15:53:48] <ralf_e> hect, yes
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[15:54:19] <philk_> njbartlett: another design problem... I would like to have a base class for some of my DS that has an activate method and fetches some services from the context... but I would have to make sure, that each DS xml contains the refs to those services or the base class will not be able to locate them... That is very error prone... is there something in DS where you could say, services of this kind should always have those references
[15:54:19] <philk_> ? Is that what a service factory is for?
[15:54:22] <rhk> guest123: what jvm are you using?
[15:54:42] <guest123> can you explain what should i do? ;)
[15:54:51] <hect> ralf_e: it works!
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[15:55:12] <ralf_e> hect, :)
[15:55:17] <ralf_e> hect, on knopflerfish, too?
[15:55:25] <hect> let me try
[15:55:48] <ralf_e> keep in mind that this way of using swt will not work on mac os x
[15:55:59] <rhk> guest123: java -version
[15:56:10] <hect> ralf_e: why?
[15:56:33] <guest123> java version "1.6.0_17" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_17-b04) Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 14.3-b01, mixed mode)
[15:57:20] <hect> ralf_e: I exported the bundle and run it into knopflerfish, same error: missing dll
[15:57:52] <ralf_e> hect, as paul mentioned before, on os x the display needs to be created on the main thread and cannot be created on a 2nd thread
[15:58:03] <ralf_e> there currently is no way to do that with plain osgi
[15:58:04] <hect> I see
[15:58:21] <hect> it doesn't need or have to execute on mac os, so that's not a problem
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[15:59:10] <ralf_e> the *win32* fragment adds a native library, I don't know how this is done internally and is supposed to work with Knopflerfish / plain osgi or if it's an Equinox feature
[15:59:24] <ralf_e> maybe somebody here knows?
[15:59:30] <guest123> rhk: any idea,
[15:59:31] <guest123> ?*
[15:59:49] <rhk> guest123: dunno. it's certainly odd.
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[16:00:23] <guest123> rhk: i agree
[16:00:33] <rhk> guest123: do you have anything configured in the eclipse proxy settings?
[16:00:49] <guest123> rhk: no
[16:01:41] <hect> where can I find the swt bundles that knopferfish is asking for?
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[16:03:02] <paulweb515> hect: usually eclipse/plugins
[16:03:09] <hect> oki
[16:03:45] <paulweb515> hect: i.e. the bundle and fragment I would need from 3.5.1  to have SWT working are: org.eclipse.swt_3.5.1.v3555a.jar and org.eclipse.swt.gtk.linux.x86_3.5.1.v3555a.jar
[16:04:32] <guest123> rhk: no idea? :\
[16:04:53] <guest123> rhk: could it be because of java version?
[16:05:00] <rhk> guest123: do other java apps have any issues?
[16:05:19] <guest123> rhk: i am not sure if i have another java app
[16:05:42] <guest123> rhk: oh i do, wait a mom
[16:06:37] <hect> paulweb515: I could start the swt.3.5.1.jar bundle but I couldn't start the swt_win32 bundle
[16:07:02] <hect> Cannot start a fragment bundle
[16:07:04] <paulweb515> hect: the swt.win32 thing is a fragment, not a bundle
[16:07:09] <hect> cool
[16:07:26] <paulweb515> hect: assuming the system can see it, it should be available simply by starting the SWT bundle
[16:08:09] <guest123> rhk: weird... jDownloader also cannot connect
[16:08:46] <rhk> guest123: can you install a different version of java?
[16:09:19] <guest123> rhk: not sure, i've  it from repo and it has dependencies
[16:09:49] <rhk> guest123: what distro?
[16:10:09] <guest123> rhk: debian, sid
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[16:10:47] <rhk> guest123: you might want to look on one of the debian forums to see if anyone else is having a problem like this.
[16:11:04] <rhk> guest123: also, maybe try asking in #debian
[16:11:33] <rhk> guest123: it doesn't seem like it's an eclipse-specific problem. Is this a new package of sun java?
[16:11:49] <rhk> guest123: I know I had issues updating a windows machine to the latest sun jvm
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[16:18:48] <rcjsuen> guest123: Some folks in #eclipse-linux might know something.
[16:18:56] <rcjsuen> if you got it from them repos
[16:19:21] <guest123> im trying to downgrade first
[16:21:09] <guest123> didnt help :/
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[16:59:45] <philk_> njbartlett: whats recommend in an OSGi environment... to have some bigger complex bundles or many fine grained single task bundles?
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[17:04:50] <kottlett> hi! if there is a proprietary plug-in in my target platform, how do I associate the javadoc / set a plug-in location to the plugin?
[17:04:52] <njbartlett> philk_: That's up to you. There are pros and cons either way, you need to balance them according to your needs.
[17:05:19] <philk_> njbartlett: I constantly drag around big bundles here when I only want to deploy a small app
[17:06:38] <philk_> I just wanted to use FrameworkUtil.getBundle(getClass()) from within a workbench contribution and it seems that the Bundle is null. I remember I had to set a special Manifest entry to make this work
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[17:21:15] <hdave> Is there an eclipse plugin for Spring?  I've been going around in circles on the web trying to find the elusive "Spring IDE"....
[17:21:35] <hdave> Many broken links from the Eclipse plugin website
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[17:24:11] <ralf_e> hdave, there is the free but non open source sts plugin, the open source variant is called "spring ide": http://twitter.com/cdupuis/status/5745793325
[17:24:32] <ralf_e> hdave, it's a bit hard to find the download link indeed :)
[17:25:12] <hdave> ralf_e: thanks for the help, which is better do you think: sts or spring ide
[17:25:45] <ralf_e> hdave, depends if you prefer using open source tooling :) sts has more features
[17:25:55] <ralf_e> i'm happy with spring ide so far
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[17:26:04] <ralf_e> it comes with an editor for the spring beans xml files with class name completion
[17:26:08] <ralf_e> which is everything i care about
[17:26:12] <hdave> ralf_e: nice
[17:26:28] <ralf_e> but they might have superduper nice features in sts, i didn't really look
[17:26:30] <hdave> ralf_e: i always prefer open source ;-)
[17:26:58] <hdave> ralf_e: i'll check them both out...if I see anything in STS that blows me away, i'll report back....thanks
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[17:42:24] <philk_> paulweb515: when I have a label control on a toolbar and change its text, I call getParent().update(false) and set my internal dirty flag, so the manager ask me again for the site of my control.... which control method does it call to find out the controls size?
[17:43:07] <kaje> I've created an RCP app that uses GEF to create a directed graph very similar to the shapes example. I'd like to put labels inside the shapes now. Can someone give me a nudge in the direction of how people do that? My google searches haven't turned much up...
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[17:44:15] <notk0> hello, what is the "syntax" of TODO?
[17:44:17] <notk0> inside commends?
[17:44:21] <notk0> comments*
[17:44:50] <d_a_carver> notkO: // TODO:
[17:45:00] <notk0> ok ty
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[17:45:20] <d_a_carver> notk0: you can set that up in your eclipse preferences as well for the java editor and xml editors I believe
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[17:48:41] <kaje> nevermind, I think I can figure it out from the Database Schema Editor example
[17:50:54] <mbana> strange question but would it be possible to load the osgi bundles, especially the JDT ones with felix?
[17:51:17] <mbana> and when does the RCP and OSGI come out??? ;) i've been asking forever
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[17:54:52] <paulweb515> philk_: org.eclipse.jface.action.ControlContribution.computeWidth(Control)
[17:54:59] <paulweb515> it looks like it is asking computeSite(*)
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[17:57:10] <kaje> How can I run() a registered action? It isn't in the menus or the coolbar...
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[18:05:15] <rcjsuen> mbana: jeff blogged about both books recently i think
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[18:11:41] <ralf_e> I saw that some other Java IDE shows the keyboard hotkey for 1.2 seconds if you invoke a command using the menu (helpful to learn the quicker hotkeys just by using the features). Wondered if Eclipse has such a feature as well that just needs to be turned on?
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[18:14:03] <paulweb515> ralf_e: no ... we only offer key assist for CTRL+SHIFT+L or if you start a multi-keystroke binding (like ALT+SHIFT+Q )
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[18:14:21] <paulweb515> kaje: registered action?
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[18:16:39] <ralf_e> paulweb515, hmm, I'm wondering if it would be too bold to add such a feature :)
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[18:18:44] <paulweb515> while I have no interest in it :-) it might be possible to do ... org.eclipse.jface.action.ExternalActionManager.CommandCallback.preExecute(IAction, Event)
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[18:19:41] <paulweb515> ActionContributionItems call back into this code before they run() an action
[18:20:38] <ralf_e> paulweb515, cool, thanks, will try to write a plug-in :)
[18:22:12] <paulweb515> ralf_e: you could always try slapping it in the status line (when you type ALT+SHIFT+Q it shows up in the status line before the key assist dialog pops up)
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[18:23:10] <paulweb515> ralf_e: that's done in org.eclipse.ui.internal.keys.KeyBindingState.updateStatusLines()
[18:23:59] <m0> Hello, how do I get the default update sites? The 64bit Eclipse version doesn't have any default update sites
[18:24:08] <m0> I tried running Eclipse 32bit, and it doesn't work.
[18:24:56] <m0> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1801758/EclipseError.png
[18:25:29] <m0> I have Java 64bit installed, and the 64bit Eclipse works fine but it ships with no default update sites.
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[18:26:18] <Armon> Hi, is there a keyboard shortcut to move the carret behind the next closing tag/bracket? to skip the closing tag that auto-complete adds
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[18:27:50] <hect> guys, I'm writting a graphic application with osgi+swt. There will be a main app, where some functionality will be added with other bundles. These bundles also contain the GUI design
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[18:28:34] <hect> I'm having trouble to write this using SWT, since every component requires a parent component.
[18:29:05] <paulweb515> hect: Shell is the topmost frame, and its parent is Display
[18:29:22] <hect> So there's the host application bundle A, which draws the main window. Then this bundle calls bundle B, which will draw more stuff
[18:30:04] <kaje> paulweb515: Sorry, I register the action with the ActionBarAdvisor
[18:30:14] <m0> I always thought Java runs in any architecture :(
[18:30:25] <paulweb515> kaje: but don't add it to a toolbar or menu?
[18:30:47] <hect> when B draws stuff, new Composite(parent, style), I tried to send the parent as a paramenter from A to B, but it doesn't work
[18:30:47] <paulweb515> hect: the interface that allows A to call B will have to pass in a parent of some kind
[18:31:01] <rcjsuen> m0: I've only heard of the "no update site" problem on Linux.
[18:31:04] <paulweb515> hect: oh, how are you sending it?
[18:31:16] <m0> I am running Windos 7 64bit
[18:31:19] <kaje> paulweb515: Yes, I'd like it to fire once the window opens, I was going to put it in the postWindowOpen method in the WorkbenchWindowAdvisor, but I don't know how to get a hold of the action...
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[18:31:29] <rcjsuen> m0: as to your 32-bit problem, I will guess it's because it's runnin the 32-bit eclipse with a 64-bit VM
[18:31:33] <hect> B is a service, it implements an interface: draw(parent)
[18:31:36] <hdave> ralf_e: apparently spring sts requires spring ide and add extensions regarding cloud computing, vmware, tutorial authoring, and grails
[18:31:43] <kaje> Maybe I should just dispense with the action and make it a method in my WorkbenchWindowAdvisor...
[18:32:02] <paulweb515> hect: so A has created a Shell(display, SWT.TRIM)?
[18:32:03] <hect> paulweb515: have you done this before?
[18:32:12] <m0> rcjsuen: I thought Java doesn't matter which architecture you run it in
[18:32:18] <hect> paulweb515: yes
[18:32:30] <rcjsuen> m0: The Eclipse workbench has native code.
[18:32:32] <paulweb515> hect: I've done SWT and I'm familiar with the restrictions OSGi places on per-bundle communication
[18:32:38] <m0> rcjsuen: Oh, I see
[18:33:04] <m0> Aha, I downloaded the new Eclipse from the site (64bit) and it has the update sites.
[18:33:08] <paulweb515> hect: so then what happens when you get the B service and call B.draw(shell) ?
[18:34:11] <hect> mmmm
[18:34:50] <paulweb515> or Composite c1 = new Composite(shell, SWT.NONE): B.draw(c1) ... whichever
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[18:37:27] <hect> paulweb515: right now, I can't find the example that I wrote, but I remember it used to crash
[18:37:41] <hect> you think it should work?
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[18:40:28] <paulweb515> hect: I thought ralf_e had provide a generic example that worked on knopperfish for firing up SWT ... were you able to get that to work?
[18:41:26] <hect> paulweb515:  I can get a basic example to work. What I can't get to work is to draw the user interface from more than 1 bundle
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[18:43:02] <paulweb515> hect: as long as bundle B also imports the SWT packages (or requires the bundle) it's probably not a classpath problem
[18:43:28] <paulweb515> hect: Is bundle A on the UI thread when it gets service B and calls out to it?  Was it crashing with an error?
[18:43:56] <rcjsuen> good question, the exact problem is not known at the moment, besides "but it doesn't work"
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[18:44:49] <hect> I also would like to keep bundle A loosely coupled with B, so A doesn't know the details of what B is drawing/doing
[18:44:57] <hect> one sec and I'll write the code...
[18:45:49] <ralf_e> paulweb515, this was the example snippet: http://pastie.org/735300 (but i didn't test on knopflerfish, not sure if the native library is supposed to work in any container or if Equinox magic is going on here)
[18:46:26] <hect> the problem I'm talking about now is different from the one before
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[18:56:14] <philk_> paulweb515: it seems that my computeWidth is never called. It always calls the base classes...?
[18:56:26] <jlgosse> what's the best way to make a shell be... un-resizeable
[18:56:50] <rcjsuen> jlgosse: dialog_trim or something, there's a style bit to prevent
[18:57:07] <philk_> paulweb515: I am extending WorkbenchWindowControlContribution but the contributionmanager is calling ControlContribution.computeWidth.... really strange
[18:57:24] <rcjsuen> rather, i should say
[18:57:32] <rcjsuen> jlgosse: the presence (or absence) of SWT.RESIZE dictates it
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[18:58:14] <philk_> paulweb515: also it seems that if there is no image / text set in my label control, the computeWidth calculates a too small size, even when I call contributionManager.update(false) after setting a new image later on...
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[18:58:38] <paulweb515> philk_: that might be a bug in the control contribution proxy code?
[18:59:00] <philk_> paulweb515: I guess so... you changed something there lately?
[18:59:16] <paulweb515> philk_: does your MenuAdditionCacheEntry create a org.eclipse.ui.internal.menus.DynamicToolBarContributionItem
[18:59:52] <paulweb515> philk_: it looks like that doesn't delegate to the proper computeWidth
[19:00:01] <philk_> paulweb515: how can I see that? You might wanna TeamViewer directly on my system if you have time
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[19:02:18] <philk_> paulweb515: I will have to check that tomorrow
[19:03:26] <philk_> paulweb515: you are right...
[19:03:51] <philk_> paulweb515: stacktrace... http://pastebin.com/m336ab36b
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[19:04:13] <philk_> paulweb515: wrong delegation... DynamicToolBarContributionItem is called and not the real control.
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[19:04:34] <philk_> paulweb515: can you please file a bug for that yourself? I need to hurry and might forget it... I think you can quickly fix it
[19:05:22] <phillipsm> has anyone had success getting autocompletion to work with pydev and django? ive added all the folders in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/django/ to my PYTHONPATH and it still won't autocomplete!!!
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[19:10:29] <paulweb515> philk_: sure, I file one
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[19:13:33] <paulweb515> philk_: ~297375
[19:13:35] <Arbalest> Bug 297375 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=297375 - Platform / UI / 3.6 - PC / Linux - NEW / normal / - Assignee: platform-ui-triaged - [Contributions] DynamicToolBarContributionItem needs to proxy more methods
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[19:16:43] <ipatrol> How do I install a plugin?
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[19:17:47] <rcjsuen> ipatrol: Did you look under the 'Help' menu?
[19:18:49] <ipatrol> Yes, but I haven't found any clear directions
[19:19:07] <ipatrol> Just what appears to be long technecal ramblings
[19:19:18] <rcjsuen> In my 'Help' menu I have a 'Install New Software...' option.
[19:19:41] <ipatrol> k, then what?
[19:20:15] <phillipsm> rcjsuen: then you need to add the repo with the plugin you want to get so it can find it
[19:20:29] <ipatrol> I have no clue where the repo for pydev is
[19:20:46] <rcjsuen> I presume it is on their website somewhere...at least, I would hope.
[19:20:48] <phillipsm> http://pydev.org/updates
[19:21:15] <phillipsm> ipatrol: did you try searching for how to install pydev in eclipse?
[19:21:58] <ipatrol> got it, thx
[19:23:25] <phillipsm> #kubuntu-offtopic
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[19:28:00] <jlgosse> Any reason in particular why ScrolledComposite wouldn't actually scroll, and would instead grow to match its contents? I'm using a FillLayout for the ScrolledComposite (which is in a 3x1 grid), and inside of the ScrolledComposite I have a Composite with a vertical row layout
[19:28:39] <jlgosse> http://pastebin.org/62813 for a snippet
[19:29:47] <ipatrol> Pydev won't install, some error
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[19:31:09] <ralf_e> jlgosse, see http://www.eclipse.org/swt/snippets/#scrolledcomposite for examples how to use ScrolledComposite
[19:32:38] <jlgosse> ralf_e: Seen them all, hasn't helped at all. I wouldn't ask otherwise
[19:33:29] <ralf_e> jlgosse, imo the scrolledcomposite itself is not supposed to have a layout
[19:33:33] <ralf_e> but i'm not sure
[19:33:56] <ralf_e> last usage of that class is a bit far in the past
[19:33:58] <rcjsuen> SC is one of the wildest beasts to tame in SWT imo.
[19:34:05] <jlgosse> ralf_e: I'll try that. Didn't really try.
[19:34:08] <rcjsuen> and don't look at me, I haven't tamed it yet ;)
[19:34:25] <jlgosse> rcjsuen: Any alternatives without resorting to JFace?
[19:34:35] <toulmean> ExpandableComposite brings joy.
[19:34:38] <rcjsuen> I'm not even sure if JFace would help.
[19:35:02] <toulmean> oops.
[19:35:04] <rcjsuen> I guess middleColumnScroller.setMinSize(middleColumnScroller.computeSize(SWT.DEFAULT, SWT.DEFAULT)); is causing problems?
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[19:35:21] <rcjsuen> ipatrol: Was there more to your story?
[19:35:36] <jlgosse> toulmean: You're suggesting that? I will take a look.
[19:35:44] <jlgosse> ralf_e: I tried removing the layout, it didn't change anything
[19:35:53] <toulmean> jlgosse: no, I'm still in the middle of my first coffee.
[19:35:55] <jlgosse> rcjsuen: Maybe, I took it out and everything broke
[19:36:12] <rcjsuen> Did you print the Point to see what's the size anyway?
[19:36:17] <toulmean> jlgosse: I would ask an explicit layout on the parent of your ScrolledComposite
[19:36:20] <rcjsuen> EC is in Forms anyway.
[19:36:32] <toulmean> jlgosse: and I would also not use FillLayout. Use TableWrapLayout
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[19:38:04] <jlgosse> toulmean: The parent of the scrolledcomposite is the shell, with a GridLayout
[19:38:33] <toulmean> jlgosse: set the client in your ScrolledComposite ?
[19:39:36] <jlgosse> toulmean: I set the content, if that's what you mean
[19:39:49] <toulmean> jlgosse: I think that's what I mean yes.
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[19:39:58] <toulmean> the content should be a composite
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[19:40:02] <toulmean> with a layout.
[19:40:15] <toulmean> the content should have your child widget.
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[19:41:50] <jlgosse> toulmean: I have done all of that. The child (content) is a composite with a vertical row layout
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[19:47:02] <toulmean> jlgosse: here is what I do in the expansion listener.
[19:47:25] <toulmean> jlgosse: getSplash().setRedraw(false);
[19:47:26] <toulmean> getSplash().layout(true);
[19:47:26] <toulmean>                 getSplash().pack();
[19:47:27] <toulmean>                 getSplash().setRedraw(true);
[19:47:34] <toulmean> replace getSplash() by your shell.
[19:47:36] <toulmean> good luck.
[19:48:42] <juli> I suffered ExpandableComposite
[19:48:57] <jlgosse> juli: What did you do
[19:49:09] <juli> we ended replacing it with something else
[19:49:36] <juli> at some point pack() I think it was tht function.. was veeery slow
[19:50:24] <juli> in a scrolled composite with 10 or more expandable expanding one, or adding a new exp to the "list" was slow
[19:50:57] <juli> I moved it out of the forms package, I hacked it, but then it still had some problems
[19:51:14] <d_a_carver> toulmean: there is just something icky about methods like setRedraw(boolean), prefer items like enableRedraw(), disableRedraw().  I know not your code.
[19:51:40] <toulmean> d_a_carver: is it exactly the same thing ?
[19:51:58] <d_a_carver> toulmean: yes, but when reading code, it is clearer what the intent is.
[19:52:11] <toulmean> d_a_carver: ah
[19:52:24] <toulmean> d_a_carver: it's like the people who don't like to use String#contains()
[19:52:40] <toulmean> d_a_carver: and rather keep on using String#indexOf() == -1
[19:53:07] <d_a_carver> I prefer string contains...I always have to remember what the freaking -1 means.
[19:53:31] <toulmean> d_a_carver: same here. OK for enable/disable I just ignored that API/.
[19:53:38] <toulmean> d_a_carver: I'll use it going forward.
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[19:55:00] <d_a_carver> toulmean: yeah, I don't even know if enableRedraw() disableRedraw are even real methods.  I see alot of methods that accept booleans.
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[19:56:40] <rcjsuen> well, tto be fair contains was added in Java 5 ;p
[19:57:23] * toulmean is happy to make sure his code compiles in cobol too
[19:57:32] <toulmean> ;0
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[19:57:44] <toulmean> ;P more exactly
[19:58:10] <d_a_carver> I think I still have some COBOL brain cells left I can dust off if necessary.
[19:58:36] <toulmean> d_a_carver: no no
[19:58:45] <toulmean> d_a_carver: no need for lobotomy.
[20:01:20] <d_a_carver> nah just need electric shock to wake those brain cells up. :)
[20:03:02] <toulmean> :)
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[20:13:30] <Armon_2> Hi, is there a keyboard shortcut to move the carret behind the next closing tag/bracket? to skip the closing tag that auto-complete adds
[20:15:18] <paulweb515> Armon_2: I just hit TAB or END until I get where I want
[20:16:15] <Armon_2> paulweb515: aha! END seems to be doing the trick. brilliant thank you!
[20:16:37] <rcjsuen> speaking of which, I just realized my SDK no longers highlights brackets
[20:16:38] <rcjsuen>  @_@
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[20:16:52] <rcjsuen> altho it's ticked in the prefs
[20:17:11] <paulweb515> rcjsuen: maybe your color is "white" :-)
[20:17:18] <rcjsuen> o nm here we go
[20:17:44] <rcjsuen> almost had one o them heart atks
[20:18:12] <paulweb515> rcjsuen: you have to be using Eclipse for it to  work ... not Notepad
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[20:26:08] <Luyang> Hi all. How can I use the Ant perspective without having to switch to the build.xml file??
[20:26:29] <Luyang> It always seems to try and parse the Java file in focus
[20:26:50] <Luyang> but I don't wanna have to switch back and forth between java and build.xml
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[20:30:20] <Luyang> can somebody help me
[20:30:40] <toulmean> Luyang: ~ask
[20:30:40] <Arbalest> If you have a question, just ask, don't ask if you can ask a question. Skip the "meta-questions" like asking whether anyone uses X also as a precursor to check whether anyone can help you with a problem you have with X. Just ask the real question you have about X.
[20:31:34] <Luyang> Arbalest: I've already asked the question
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[20:31:49] <Luyang> [20:27] <Luyang> It always seems to try and parse the Java file in focus
[20:32:18] <Luyang> oh, before that I wrote: [20:27] <Luyang> Hi all. How can I use the Ant perspective without having to switch to the build.xml file??
[20:32:29] <Luyang> Arbalest: do you have the answer sir?
[20:33:13] <toulmean> Luyang: you are talking to the IRC bot, he won't have the answer.
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[20:33:34] <toulmean> Luyang: but usually switching perspective is just a matter of going to Window> Switch perspective
[20:33:44] <Luyang> toulmean: oh :)
[20:33:46] <Arnos> Is there a shortcut for System.out.println(); ?
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[20:34:39] <Luyang> toulmean: well, I have multiple documents open in the editor area and I have the ant perspective to the right... but when I double click an ant target when a Java file is in focus in the editor I get an error that the beginning of the ant XML is wrong
[20:34:39] <toulmean> Arnos: sysout then hit Ctrl+Space
[20:34:54] <Luyang> but I want it to remember which build.xml file I used to add in the Ant view
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[20:35:03] <Arnos> toulmean: Thanks
[20:35:27] <Luyang> That's some sweet AI for toulmean
[20:35:30] <Arnos> toulmean: Is there a list of those shortcuts somewhere?
[20:35:54] <toulmean> Arnos: yep, in preferences, in templates I think. You can create your own.
[20:36:03] <toulmean> Luyang: not sure what you're trying to do.
[20:37:30] <Luyang> toulmean: I open the Ant view. I add the build.xml file in the root of the project. Then I open a few Java files. Then I wanna execute an Ant target by double clicking its name in the Ant view. Then I get error because it tries to parse the Java file in focus as an Ant file. But I already told the Ant view which build.xml file I wanted to use...?
[20:37:53] <toulmean> Luyang: oh that's fun.
[20:37:57] <toulmean> Luyang: I would open a bug...
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[20:38:35] <Luyang> toulmean: hmmm... yeah, but the weird thing is that afai remember it worked with one of my build.xml files
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[20:38:53] <toulmean> :/
[20:39:02] <Luyang> so I'm thinking not everyone is experiencing this. I'm wondering if the Ant view changes "current working directory" depending on the file in focus...
[20:39:19] <Luyang> anyway, I could open a bug about it...
[20:39:22] <Luyang> ~bugs
[20:39:22] <Arbalest> Eclipse Bugzilla - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/
[20:39:26] <Luyang> thanks
[20:39:33] <toulmean> :)
[20:40:09] <Luyang> gotta love to contribute
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[20:41:21] <Luyang> It should've been solved here https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=31433 hmm
[20:43:16] <Luyang> Error message is Something.java 1: Content is not allowed in prolog.
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[20:44:51] <hdave> i'm using Eclipse 3.4.2 and am trying to do some software updates, but I keep getting the following error "Cannot find a solution satisfying the following requirements org.eclipse.ui [3.4.2.M20090204-0800]."   Any ideas?
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[20:48:06] <d_a_carver> hdave: sounds like you are running into some mirror issues on the update.
[20:48:53] <hdave> d_a_carver: meaning something is wrong with the update site(s)?
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[20:49:41] <d_a_carver> hdave: meaning that one of the mirrors it is trying to use has problems.  Early versions of p2 in 3.4.x had problems not handling mirrors that didn't respond.   Any reason you can't upgrade to 3.5?
[20:50:19] <hdave> d_a_carver: not that I know of :-$
[20:50:28] <Luyang> OMG the Eclipse bugzilla mail takes forever
[20:50:37] <hdave> d_a_carver: will try the upgrade...thanks for the help
[20:50:51] <d_a_carver> Luyang: have you checked spam filters?
[20:51:06] <Luyang> Yes
[20:51:51] <Luyang> Now I got a big red box with the text "You have requested an account token too recently to request another. Please wait a while and try again."
[20:52:09] <Luyang> NOW I got it
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[21:51:10] <Luyang> silence
[21:56:28] <hdave> d_a_carver: wanted to let you know that 3.5.1 works great with spring tools, only snag was i needed to install mylyn jira before i could install sts...no biggie...thanks
[21:57:04] <d_a_carver> hdave: no problem
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[22:01:09] <Luyang> shouldn't eclipse bugzilla send out an email to the bug requester?
[22:01:33] <juli> it does
[22:03:13] <rcjsuen> by default if you performed the action, i don't think it does
[22:03:29] <rcjsuen> if someone commented on your bug then yes it should
[22:03:31] <rcjsuen> check your email prefs
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[22:15:39] <Sal> hello
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[22:16:05] <Sal> is there a way to create a new project inside the default workspace but then let my source folder point to another directory?
[22:17:45] <yassine> i have several plugins.link files inside my dropins directory of eclipse and each <pluginsName>.link file contains a vailid path reference to a valid plugin, but when i start eclipse non of the referenced plugins ins avaiable. any idea what could be wrong?
[22:20:09] <nitind> Sal: Sure.  Just create it, then add the folder linked to an external directory, and then set it as a source folder.
[22:20:42] <Sal> nitind: but i need it to be my project root folder
[22:20:52] <Sal> not a subdir
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[22:22:14] <nitind> Sal: Then set the physical location of the project itself to be that place.
[22:22:28] <Sal> :)
[22:22:38] <Sal> that's whay i'm trying to avoid
[22:22:52] <Sal> i need to create projects inside my local web server root
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[22:23:37] <nitind> That's never made sense to me.  You're messing with your production server, then.
[22:23:50] <Sal> and having eclipse creates its projects there, means that it will create all its config files and folders there too
[22:24:20] <d_a_carver> Sal why not setup an Alias on your web server to point to your project workspace?
[22:24:26] <nitind> Sal: Do you mean putting the workspace there, or just the one project?
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[22:24:50] <d_a_carver> sal or particularly have the alias point at the project in your workspace.
[22:25:17] <Sal> i would like to create the project in the default workspace, that means a place where eclipse keeps its dot config files and dot directories
[22:25:32] <nitind> You can't have it both ways.  Use the Alias.
[22:25:49] <Sal> and then, have as the real source folder, a directory under my local web server
[22:26:00] <Sal> alias?
[22:26:16] <Sal> ok, wait....
[22:26:26] <Sal> so i create my project in the default workspace
[22:26:27] <Sal> then?
[22:27:55] <Sal> oh, an alias inside the httpd.conf
[22:28:07] <Sal> but that wont separate eclipse files from my files
[22:28:23] <Sal> i just don't want the damn eclipse files messing up my source dir
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[22:32:01] <fixl> has anyone tried that InteliJ IDe ?
[22:34:58] <Sal> is there a way to move my internal web browser tab to the center of the IDE where my code is?
[22:35:00] <d_a_carver> fixl: been meaning too now that it's open source.
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[22:35:51] <d_a_carver> Sal web browser tab acts as an editor so it goes where editor's can be placed.  It depends on what you mean "where my code is"
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[22:36:16] <Sal> not it opens on the right
[22:36:36] <Sal> where my debug output and browser output panels are
[22:40:08] <philk_> paulweb515: thanks for filing the bug!
[22:41:27] <fixl> ewww did they write the gui wit SWING :D
[22:43:38] <philk_> njbartlett: my DS extends Thread and references another service. The thread polls the service periodically. However, when this service is unbound, the thread still wants to use it (and fails). Is there any way to synchronize the two things?
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[22:45:29] <njbartlett> philk_: Err, use a mandatory dependency?
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[22:46:00] <philk_> njbartlett: its already a 1..1 static dependency
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[22:46:29] <njbartlett> philk_: So, the deactivate method should be called as soon as the service goes away
[22:47:06] <philk_> njbartlett: the problem is that the thread sleeps while the service is unbound. So in the deactivate method I call interrupt() so the thread can wake up, but it might be already out of its sleep and call the bound service again
[22:47:35] <philk_> njbartlett: the called service then returns an error when called, because its internal state is already closed.
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[22:48:15] <njbartlett> philk_: Right, well the static policy can't protect you from worrying about concurrency if you actually create your own threads!
[22:48:42] <njbartlett> philk_: I would convert it to a 1..1 dynamic reference and write thread-safe code
[22:49:35] <philk_> njbartlett: and then unbind is synchronized as well as inside the thread the access to the bound service variable?
[22:50:19] <njbartlett> philk_: If you write it that way, yeah.
[22:50:38] <njbartlett> philk_: Though I prefer to avoid synchronized blocks for the unbind etc, I prefer AtomicReference
[22:51:03] <philk_> njbartlett: never user AR... have to see a tutorial first
[22:51:29] <philk_> njbartlett: do you have any sample codes where threads are using inside OSGi services?
[22:51:34] <njbartlett> philk_: AtomicRef is cool because you can't forget to copy it first into a local var
[22:53:24] <njbartlett> philk_: Yes, http://github.com/njbartlett/eclipsecon09_components
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[23:02:42] <kostmo> after obtaining a SearchMatch from a SearchEngine, how does one find the line number of the result in a source file?
[23:03:07] <kostmo> (I'm working on a plugin)
[23:04:27] <kostmo> The SearchMatch.getElement() can be cast to a IJavaElement - is there some method that locates these within a source file?
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[23:05:50] <nitind> They're not always in a source file.  check the type hierarcy of that interface to see what you ahve to work with.
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[23:12:44] <philk_> njbartlett: thanks! will check it 2morrow
[23:12:52] <philk_> njbartlett: g'd n8!
[23:16:43] <njbartlett> philk_: Good neight
[23:19:36] <kostmo> nitind: I just found what I was looking for - the getOffset() method of SearchMatch says where the element is within the source file
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[23:32:44] <nitind> kostmo: "or -1 if unknown"
[23:33:36] <kostmo> nitind: thanks
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[23:59:11] <JamesyJ> hi!





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