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[00:34:19] <evil-sheek> I having a problem with Eclipse PDT and Xdebug
[00:34:52] <evil-sheek> Variables inside a function, always stay Uninitialized
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[00:35:24] <evil-sheek> I enabled every param, possible in Xdebug, I'm assumming it's not a Xdebug issue but a Eclipse issue
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[00:38:55] <evil-sheek> is this a bug?
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[00:40:38] <rcjsuen> Could check Bugzilla and see if someone else has logged one I suppose.
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[01:39:33] <orospakr> Hey, I'm writing a plugin that wants to grok through the AST of a loaded CDT project.  I currently have a reference to the IProject.  Where do I go from there?
[01:43:44] <rcjsuen> You're probably better off asking on the CDT forums.
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[01:59:58] <paulweb515_> orospakr: or see what's in the CDT developer guide ... http://help.eclipse.org
[02:00:32] <paulweb515_> orospakr: usually you are either trying to search through something, or manipulate the AST (or use the AST to emit other code)
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[02:00:49] <paulweb515_> orospakr: is it you want to do intelligent searching through your C/C++ project?
[02:01:19] <orospakr> paulweb515, basically I just want to generate a report about my objects.  nothing too fancy, I don't think.
[02:01:33] <nblracer_> mmm having troubles installing the VE project
[02:02:14] <paulweb515_> orospakr: you would probably walk the appropriate IFiles, turning them into a CDT AST as you go
[02:02:36] <paulweb515_> nblracer_: what kind of problem?  you can't install it in 3.5.x?
[02:02:54] <nblracer_> http://pastebin.com/d3f03ca30
[02:03:02] <nblracer_> paulweb515_ yes
[02:03:13] <nblracer_> i see ohers are having a problem
[02:03:25] <paulweb515_> orospakr: try the CDT Plug-in Developers Guide
[02:03:51] <orospakr> paulweb515, hmm, I have been referring to it, actually.  I haven't found quite I'm looking for (yet).
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[02:08:47] <paulweb515_> orospakr: I think you need to get a "working copy" before you can start fooling with it, but you might not need to get one to generate an AST
[02:09:23] <orospakr> The idea is to work with the AST index that has already been generated for a given loaded project. :)
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[02:10:45] <paulweb515_> Oh, to generate an AST you can go from CoreModel
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[02:14:02] <paulweb515_> orospakr: what is your starting point for the "pre-built" index you hope to work with?  CoreModel is a great way to work with an existing ICProject
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[02:20:38] <orospakr> paulweb515, pretty much CDT's standard use case.  Someone is using Eclipse interactively, has a CDT-natured project loaded with some C++ code in it.  The idea is for my plugin to walk that AST.
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[02:30:42] <nblracer_> any sugestions
[02:32:01] <paulweb515_> orospakr: and CoreModel isn't the entry point?  That's what I mean, what is your starting point?  I don't see anything mentioning an entry point into the index (unless that's what the CoreModel accesses)
[02:32:27] <paulweb515_> nblracer_: well, it's saying VE and PHP want different versions of JEM ... I have no idea why
[02:32:38] <paulweb515_> nblracer_: does VE say it installs on 3.5.x?
[02:32:44] <paulweb515_> Ooops, gotta run
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[02:33:16] <orospakr> paulweb515, ah, well, if you mean what I think you do about the notion of an "entry point", that's just what I am trying to figure out. :)
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[03:02:49] <phani> hi guyz .. is this the help channel for rcp dev ?
[03:03:10] <phani> iam looking for some help on including mysql into my rcp
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[03:05:19] <rcjsuen> yes, you ask here and/or the ~forums
[03:05:20] <Arbalest> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/
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[03:06:24] <SniperFodder> So, I'm trying to configure my Eclipse install to use an external build tool, however the "Working Directory" Variable ${project_loc} seems to be resolving incorrectly.
[03:06:30] <SniperFodder> Is there anyway to debug what is wrong?
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[03:18:03] <SniperFodder> So anyone? XD
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[03:25:15] <pengo> can't work out how to make a second eclipse window (for dual screen)
[03:25:38] <pengo> running flex builder 4 beta (eclipse 3.4) on mac
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[03:27:12] <rcjsuen> pengo: Window > New WIndow?
[03:27:48] <pengo> isn't there..?
[03:27:59] <pengo> maybe adobe have screwed it up
[03:28:13] <phani> i have an rcp plugin which needs to include mysql driver . Iam including that in the MANIFEST.MF file in Bundle-Classpath and still i get the class not found
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[03:28:23] <rcjsuen> pengo: What do you see in the 'Window' menu anyway then
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[03:28:52] <phani> how can i debug what dependecy classes it is missing
[03:29:08] <phani> i am running the app with -debug -consolelog
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[03:30:28] <rcjsuen> well, your NCDFE error alrdy states what couldn't be found by OSGi, no?
[03:30:33] <pengo> rcjsuen: appearance, components, properties, etc... breakpoints, console, debug... other views, "next editor" (but no "new editor", preferences
[03:31:03] <rcjsuen> pengo: Doesn't sound like what I see on WIndows.
[03:31:30] <pengo> rcjsuen: this is Flex Builder (built on eclipse).. maybe i should install the flex plugin for eclipse instead
[03:32:26] <pengo> it generally looks identical to eclipse tho
[03:32:35] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[03:32:40] <pengo> :(
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[03:34:45] <pengo> ararargghghhhhhhhhhh
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[03:37:28] <rcjsuen> pengo: I would expect 'Preferences' to be under the 'Eclipse' menu item on the top left.
[03:37:33] <rcjsuen> I guess Adobe might've changed it up *shrugs*
[03:38:04] <pengo> rcjsuen: it's there too :)
[03:38:27] <rcjsuen> How convenient
[03:39:04] <rcjsuen> All roads lead to Rome as they say
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[03:56:46] <pengo> ah found it
[03:57:01] <pengo> Open the Preferences dialog and select General > Perspectives.   Under Open a New Perspective, select In A New Window.
[03:57:18] <rcjsuen> I guess that works as a workaround lol.
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[04:25:34] <SniperFodder> nvm @ my earlier question.
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[04:25:49] <rcjsuen> SniperFodder: Did you resolve it?
[04:26:15] <SniperFodder> rcjsuen: yes, I needed quotes and the external compiler did not like one of the arguments I supplied.
[04:26:21] <rcjsuen> oic
[04:26:27] <chetnick> hello, how do i change select color in eclipse (JAVA). When i select line of code it is totally transparent, it is the same color as the background. How do i change this? Thanks.
[04:26:49] <SniperFodder> I feel stupid cause it's down there at the bottom "Note: If an argument has spaces, suround it with quotes."
[04:26:59] <rcjsuen> chetnick: you mean the colour of the highlighted line?
[04:27:42] <chetnick> rcjsuen: yes.
[04:27:50] <rcjsuen> that's in the prefs
[04:28:28] <chetnick> i know, but i cant find it ... is it under Java>Editor?
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[04:28:46] <rcjsuen> I think not, that's a general configuration I believe.
[04:29:13] <pembo13> i'm using PyDev (eclipse) and I am getting a lot unresolved imports, of even stdlib items like datetime, and time
[04:29:59] <chetnick> rcjsuen: thanks, it was under General.
[04:30:13] <chetnick> i was looking in Java > Editor.
[04:30:30] <rcjsuen> okilydokily
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[04:37:13] <tokam> Hi, I am trying to finish an eclipse plugin which I have started some month ago, but it looks like i have forgotten a lot. Hasn t an commandId to be unique? (org.eclipse.ui.commands)
[04:38:03] <tokam> I have got many Commands, with different parameters using the same Id which is catched by a handler defined with org.eclipse.ui.handlers
[04:38:42] <tokam> But I am wondering if this might be a style error if I have multible commands using the same id, is it?
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[05:39:59] <xig> is there a way in eclipse to highlight the occurence not only of variables etc, but of any search phrase i search for (or specify otherwise)?
[05:40:19] <xig> i want e.g. to permanently highlight every "unsigned int" occurence
[05:40:32] <xig> like the firefox search highlighing does
[05:40:44] <xig> i am using eclipse galileo on linux 2.6.31
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[07:28:02] <Omnipotent> Hey, I'm looking for a plugin that would allow me to connect and work remotely through an FTP server (or is it already there?), anyone can recommend on something?
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[09:18:07] <indietrash> how can I set tab switching to ctrl-tab/ctrl-shift-tab?
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[10:48:53] <Omnipotent> Hey, I'm looking for a plugin that would allow me to connect and work remotely through an FTP server (or is it already there?), anyone can recommend on something?
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[11:02:18] <veyres> Omnipotent: svn plugin ?
[11:05:55] <philk_> hmmm fragments cannot export packages?
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[12:35:16] <philk_> hmmm core.runtime.Assert is usefull, but the dependencies of the eclipse.core.runtime bundle are huge
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[13:28:50] <philk_> hmmm my OSGi service component activate method is not called
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[13:33:52] <deSilva> how unfortunate
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[13:51:04] <industrial> I have a project hosted (ssh) somewhere else that I want to edit. A project in the sense of 'a dir of dirs files' not an Eclipse project :p How do I edit those files?
[13:51:16] <industrial> dirs and files*
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[13:51:47] <rcjsuen> industrial: ~tm might help
[13:51:48] <Arbalest> Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/
[13:52:20] <rcjsuen> Omnipotent: I think you should look at TM too.
[13:52:42] <rcjsuen> philk_: You don't have to pull the whole runtime, just equinox.common
[13:52:55] <rcjsuen> the joys of split package
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[14:06:37] <industrial> rcjsuen: nice, just opened that instead of the project view (never likes 'projects' in IDE's >_>) and I can just edit the files remotyle \:D/
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[14:17:52] <dcool> Is there a way to define the "ssh2 home" directory on load ? (ie eclipse -ssh2 .\ssh )   [sorry if I repeat, just been logged out ? ]
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[14:38:59] <rcjsuen> I know all you dropins people want this ~296449
[14:39:00] <Arbalest> Bug 296449 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=296449 - Equinox / p2 / 3.6 - PC / Windows XP - NEW / normal / - Assignee: equinox.p2-inbox - Better dropins/ debug
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[14:43:14] <deSilva> I'm an involuntary dropins user
[14:44:51] <deSilva> but is that the description of a bug? sounds like a new feature
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[15:12:18] <philk_> rcjsuen: thanks for the tip with the split package
[15:12:18] <philk_> rcjsuen: I will try it out later
[15:13:05] <philk_> any idea why my services activate method is not called?
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[15:23:33] <rcjsuen> deSilva: well the guy opened it as a "bug" instead of an "enhancement", you can think of it as whatever you want, bug, task, enhancement, user story :)
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[15:38:46] <theoretically> hi
[15:38:59] <theoretically> how can i extract the content of an arraylist<String> randomized?
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[15:40:25] <paulweb515> theoretically: that's a java question, not eclipse
[15:40:44] <javahorn> hi
[15:40:47] <paulweb515> theoretically: look at java.util.Collections
[15:40:52] <rcjsuen> ##java might be able to help.
[15:41:47] <philk_> theoretically: but beware, in ##java the climate is a little rough
[15:43:30] <philk_> so... DS seems to instantiate proxies for my services. I have a FileMonitor service that has 0..n dynamic on FileListener services. Now I have a DS FileListener in the system but neither the FileMonitor nor the listener service gets instantiated.
[15:43:31] <paulweb515> philk_: well, their motto is "why don't you know enough java to know there is Collections and Arrays ... please read the basic java tutorial"
[15:44:30] <paulweb515> philk_: for DS something has to ask for it ... what's asking for the FileMonitor (which I presume is asking for the FileListeners)
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[15:44:57] <nitind> Well, and knowledge of java.util.Random.
[15:45:24] <philk_> paulweb515: of course you could google all yourself... but what for have a ##java channel then?
[15:45:28] <theoretically> i need to be identified to get into #java:(
[15:45:44] <paulweb515> theoretically: so register your nick and identify ... we do
[15:46:29] <philk_> paulweb515: as for DS... I assumed that once the FileMonitor component is satisfied it will get instantiated?
[15:47:08] <rcjsuen> theoretically: > /msg nickserv help
[15:47:20] <philk_> paulweb515: I will mark it as "immediatly activated"
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[15:50:26] <philk_> paulweb515: marking it as active will do the trick... thanks!
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[15:55:44] <javahorn> which Eclipse is best suited for hibernate?
[15:57:06] <nitind> javahorn: What do you mean by best suited?
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[15:58:38] <opeee> How do I find a manual to use eclipse?
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[15:59:58] <nitind> opeee: If you have Eclipse running, press F1, otherwise visit help.eclipse.org.  In either case, look for anything called a "User Guide".  The "Workbench User Guide" is a good place to start.
[16:00:34] <javahorn> nitind:  which one i should download?
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[16:03:36] <opeee> nitind : thx
[16:08:01] <nitind> javahorn: No, I mean by what criteria?
[16:08:18] <javahorn> HQL editor
[16:09:24] <douilspee> hihihi,  anyboody using EclipseTracPlugin ?  how to refresh wiki page list after i created a new page ?
[16:09:26] <javahorn> i have to do programming in Hibernate/Spring and do some UML design,
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[16:38:34] <javahorn> i have to do programming in Hibernate/Spring and do some UML design.which Eclipse is best suited?
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[16:38:49] <Guest74028> hi folks, i have just downloaded eclipse-java-galileo-SR1-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz and i can't get it to create a new project from exising source
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[16:40:32] <Egelmex> the wizard comes up but the browse button won't work and if i type in the file path it tells me it can't create a project at this location
[16:40:50] <Egelmex> am running on Linux lizard 2.6.31-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Oct 23 10:03:24 CEST 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
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[16:43:26] <rcjsuen> Screenshot?
[16:43:35] <Egelmex> sure one sec
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[16:43:53] <Egelmex> don't know if it will be much help though
[16:46:31] <Egelmex> http://www.uploadthis.co.uk/uploads/mex/eclipse_fromsource.png
[16:47:16] <rcjsuen> Where is your workspace located anyway
[16:47:37] <Egelmex> ~/workspace
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[16:49:58] <rcjsuen> Your wizard looks diff from mien
[16:50:34] <rcjsuen> Although maybe that's because I'm using a 3.6 build
[16:53:24] <Egelmex> bah, time to go to a seminar. will try redownloading or somthing
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[16:58:15] <philk_> there is a bug in the DS editor which leeds to set "immidiate = truee"
[16:59:47] <magnet> philk_, what bug? I use the DS editor a lot and I didn't notice any bug
[17:01:56] <philk_> magnet: do you use the "activate component" checkbox? It leads to this bug
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[17:02:47] <philk_> magnet: I will investigate more before actually filing a bug. Maybe it was caused by a window switch when the editor was brought into focus and me typing in another application
[17:02:47] <magnet> philk_, do you mean the "This component is enabled when started" box? If so, yes I do use it but it's checked by default if you create the component definition using PDE's wizard
[17:03:16] <magnet> philk_, I also use the activate method field, if that's what you meant
[17:03:19] <philk_> magnet: I am talking about the "This component is immediately activated"
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[17:03:53] <magnet> philk_, oh no I don't use that. I am lazy and so should my components be
[17:05:08] <magnet> philk_, my understanding is that this checkbox should do the immediate=true declaration in the component definition
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[17:07:06] <philk_> magnet: yes it should do that. However it appeared corrupted now, after i changed it for testing purposes. It was set to "truee" in the xml
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[17:08:09] <philk_> anyway, magnet I have to make my component active, since nobody is activly using it. Its a filemonitor component. It should be active when one or more FileListener service is in the system. However that setup does not instantiate the component but only resolves it (by DS).
[17:08:47] <philk_> I would have assumed, that when the component would instantiate itself once it finds a FileListener in the system
[17:08:48] <hot33331> i am trying to export an eclipse 3.5 application and it exports just fine, just when i try to start it, i get the error that org.eclipse.runtime is not started. Probably because that plugin is not listet in the plugins at the configuration tab of the product. Is there an easy way to export my rcp just as it is now? it runs perfectly in my ide, now i just want to export it, as it is...
[17:09:35] <magnet> philk_, yes, you need another DS component that can be instanciated and using it before it's instanciated
[17:09:52] <philk_> magnet: thats my FileMonitor component: http://pastebin.com/m3e610c97
[17:10:38] <philk_> magnet: and thats the listener: http://pastebin.com/m49864bea
[17:10:47] <magnet> philk_, is a de.topsystem.io.filemonitor.FileListener properly instanciated at some point? It should work if it is
[17:11:27] <philk_> magnet: see my second snippet. Since the FileListener is also a DS component, only Proxies of both components are instantiated (by SCR)
[17:11:29] <magnet> philk_, seems good to me, if the EventAdmin is resolved (should be).
[17:11:37] <philk_> magnet: EventAdmin is there
[17:12:11] <magnet> philk_, I guess you have tried this, but in the equinox console you can do ls then comp <id> to know whether the FileListener is found at a later point
[17:12:13] <philk_> magnet: However, unless the FileMonitor (or the FileListener) component is not immediate, both of the Components do not resolve
[17:12:40] <philk_> magnet: as I wrote, its all resovled good. Just not instantiated (the real classes, not the proxies)
[17:12:54] <magnet> philk_, maybe it has to do with the fact that your component reference is dynamic
[17:13:05] <philk_> magnet: maybe... I will try to set it to static!
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[17:13:59] <magnet> oh
[17:14:41] <philk_> magnet: no change there. This is the ls listing: http://pastebin.com/ma75cafc
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[17:15:03] <magnet> philk_, what about `comp 2`
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[17:15:55] <philk_> magnet: also not instantiated... its all proxies if FileManager (comp 1) is not active
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[17:16:50] <magnet> philk_, every time I had this problem, it was because it could not "consume" a referenced service
[17:17:12] <magnet> philk_, for the sake of testing, care to put your cardinality to 0..n on the EventAdmin reference in FileListener
[17:17:13] <philk_> magnet: not the case here, as you can see
[17:18:01] <philk_> magnet: i can try that... but the other FileListener should be resolved anyway. Since it does not matter as FileMonitor consumes 1..n FileListener. So there is at least one listener in the system
[17:18:15] <philk_> and also, DS Editor once again destroyed the xml
[17:18:35] <philk_> when changing the policy it forgot to enclose it in ""
[17:18:38] <magnet> philk_, yes but you will have at least one FileListener instanciated with a null reference on EventAdmin
[17:19:33] <philk_> magnet: ok, setting 0..n on the eventadmin ref does not change the behaviour
[17:20:28] <philk_> magnet: setting filemonitor service to active, will instantiate it and also the listeners when they are accessed
[17:20:30] <magnet> philk_, just to be sure, if you are running it using eclipse, did you check that "clear launch area" option, because the component definition sometimes gets cached
[17:21:03] <magnet> philk_, this is weird :). It looks like an unwanted behavior to me
[17:21:16] <philk_> magnet: it is not cached, as i can change the components xml and do a refresh of the bundle and it works
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[17:21:29] <philk_> njbartlett: are you here? Did you follow my DS problem here?
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[17:22:07] <njbartlett> philk_: I'm here but I'm sick so my brain is not working well
[17:22:12] <philk_> njbartlett: it seems that 2 DS components are not instantiated correctly as they should be, once all dependencies are resolved
[17:22:26] <philk_> njbartlett: ah ok... swine flue! All the best and be healthy!
[17:23:22] <njbartlett> philk_: I don't think it's swine flu, just the normal kind
[17:23:40] <njbartlett> philk_: Can you briefly summarise the problem? Getting a DS bundle to activate?
[17:23:57] <philk_> as I understood the scientists, there is no normal kind anymore... only swine flu *yuks*
[17:24:59] <philk_> njbartlett: yes, I have a FileMonitor that depends 1..n on FileListener and I have at least one FileListener DS component in the system. The FileMonitor is resolved (i see the DS debug output) and the FileListener is also resolved. However, the FileMonitor implementation is never instantiated.
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[17:25:17] <philk_> thats my FileMonitor component: http://pastebin.com/m3e610c97
[17:25:17] <philk_> and thats the listener: http://pastebin.com/m49864bea
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[17:26:32] <njbartlett> philk_: First thing to do is add zero-arg constructors to these two classes and put a System.out.println() in them
[17:26:47] <philk_> btw: is it possible to have DS components in fragments?
[17:26:50] <njbartlett> philk_: Then you can see if the class is at least being instantiated
[17:26:51] <philk_> njbartlett: I did that, of course
[17:26:58] <philk_> njbartlett: they are not being instantiated
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[17:27:44] <philk_> how can I see more debug output of DS?
[17:28:42] <njbartlett> philk_: Re: Fragments... you can have the XML files in a fragment but the Service-Component manifest header must appear in the host bundle, not a fragment
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[17:29:09] <njbartlett> philk_: Compendium section 112.4.1: "A Service-Component manifest header specified in a fragment is ignored by
[17:29:10] <njbartlett> SCR. However, XML documents referenced by a bundle?s Service-Compo-
[17:29:10] <njbartlett> nent manifest header may be contained in attached fragments."
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[17:29:46] <philk_> njbartlett: thanks for that... it helps me on another problem
[17:30:10] <njbartlett> philk_: For debug, use -Dequinox.ds.debug=true -Dequinox.ds.print=true
[17:30:28] <njbartlett> philk_: Oh and -consoleLog helps
[17:30:37] <njbartlett> philk_: Assuming this is all Equinox
[17:30:49] <philk_> njbartlett: yes, its Equinox and -consoleLog is standard
[17:31:31] <njbartlett> philk_: Do you see the FileListener service published in the registry when you type the "services" command?
[17:32:02] <philk_> njbartlett: yes
[17:32:18] <philk_> njbartlett: http://pastebin.com/m14a43bdd
[17:32:26] <njbartlett> philk_: And is it from the same classspace, you don't have multiple bundles defining that package?
[17:33:32] <magnet> philk_, but do you have someone bundle using FileMonitor?
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[17:33:45] <magnet> philk_, if not, nothing will be created
[17:34:08] <njbartlett> magnet: It should be created because the immediate flag is set to true
[17:34:14] <njbartlett> philk_: What's the output of the "ls" command?
[17:34:36] <magnet> njbartlett, I understood he said it worked with immediate=true; but he wants to make it work with immediate=false
[17:35:15] <njbartlett> magnet: Oh right... philk_ can you clarify? Your pastebin has immediate=true
[17:35:35] <njbartlett> philk_: Also what's the output of "comp 0"
[17:36:16] <philk_> njbartlett: It works with "immediate=true" but thats not how I would like it to work.
[17:36:48] <philk_> njbartlett: and "comp 0" is an invalid ID
[17:36:49] <njbartlett> philk_: So what actually happens when you *don't* have immedate=true?
[17:36:54] <magnet> philk_, then you need a bundle using the service. The simplest way to test is to have a dummy DS component which provides no service but has one FileMonitor as a static 1..1 reference
[17:37:39] <philk_> njbartlett: nothing happens when immediate = false. Then the components are all resolved (in ls) but no actual classes (the FileMonitor should be at least) are instantiated
[17:37:58] <philk_> magnet: Thats of course not an option, but it does work. However, thats not how DS is supposed to work, I hope
[17:38:06] <njbartlett> philk_: Okay that sounds exactly how it should work when immediate=false. Congratulations :-)
[17:38:07] <magnet> philk_, it is
[17:38:40] <magnet> philk_, you need to consume a service to trigger its instanciation
[17:38:42] <philk_> njbartlett: so, purely referencing other services is not enough to activate the component the references?
[17:39:06] <philk_> I will have to live with "immediate=true" then. What for is that flag anyway, if not for my case :)
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[17:39:18] <njbartlett> philk_: No. The whole point is laziness.
[17:39:18] <magnet> exactly
[17:39:40] <njbartlett> philk_: If a lazy service is referenced by another lazy service, there is no need to create the object.
[17:40:17] <njbartlett> philk_: If you want to force instantiation anyway, then use immediate="true". That's exactly what the immediate flag is intended for, so I'm not sure why you're trying to avoid it.
[17:40:32] <philk_> njbartlett: ok, i like the lazyness aspect. But using "immediate=true" is not a bad thing, is it? The FileListener is indeed only instantiated when I actually use it. Using context.locateService("FileListener") later in the FileMonitor (when an actual file event happens)
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[17:41:08] <philk_> njbartlett: ok, then I missunderstood the lazyness concept a bit. I thought that if both components are lazy one would be activated anyway... my bad
[17:41:13] <njbartlett> philk_: It's not a bad thing necessarily, it just makes it non-lazy.
[17:41:18] <philk_> thanks guys for clearing that up.
[17:41:47] <njbartlett> philk_: No. You can have a huge graph of services, none of them actually instantiated as long as no consumer is *actually* using any of them. As soon as somebody does use one, it forced activation of the graph.
[17:41:49] <philk_> njbartlett: yes, non lazy for the FileMonitor. But it should run whenever there is a FileListener in the system
[17:42:33] <njbartlett> philk_: Then immediate="true" on FileMonitor sounds like the right thing.
[17:42:51] <njbartlett> Gotta go now, thanks magnet for your help :-)
[17:42:59] <philk_> Using immediate = true does what I want. If there is no FileListener service in the system, the component is not resolved and hence not activated. However if there is at least one FileListener the FileMonitor should power up itself.
[17:43:06] <philk_> magnet: yes, thank you too!
[17:43:13] <philk_> njbartlett: thanks and take care!
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[17:44:25] <magnet> philk_, looks like you confused the lazy aspects of immediate true/false and the cardinality on the references, which allow you to wait for an instance (ie the difference with 1..n and 0..n)
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[17:45:04] <philk_> magnet: yes, maybe... I understand that the component does not resolve for 1..n when there is no such reference service.
[17:45:16] <magnet> immediate true = "construct as soon as you can"; cardinality on reference = "how many elements do we need before instanciating"
[17:45:45] <philk_> magnet: yes, so immediate follows the references. Once they are met, the immediate kicks in
[17:45:50] <magnet> yep
[17:46:09] <philk_> magnet: thanks! I will transform the FileMonitor as an example into my blog.
[17:46:10] <magnet> DS is pretty nice when you got it running, but debugging is really a pain
[17:46:41] <magnet> good idea :). I have spent some time with the very same problem you had before, so I'm sure it will be useful to others
[17:47:00] <philk_> magnet: yes, there can be not enough tutorials about DS out there.
[17:47:25] <philk_> magnet: and its a cool and powerful concept.
[17:47:41] <magnet> philk_, yep, but anyway it looks like it will be superseded by Blueprint
[17:47:53] <philk_> magnet: from Spring?
[17:48:26] <philk_> magnet: yea, I would like more DI too... we are still writing to much code
[17:48:26] <magnet> philk_, yes I think Spring made the proposal, but it is in the OSGi specs for 4.2 (Core+Compendium)
[17:48:50] <philk_> magnet: it includes DI iirc?
[17:48:54] <magnet> yes it does
[17:49:06] <philk_> magnet: any implementation ready yet?
[17:49:16] <magnet> but I don't know how it compares to "OSGi Component Model" which is Spring DM official proposal (and not in 4.2)
[17:49:19] <magnet> things are moving too fast
[17:49:31] <magnet> philk_, beta implementations in Spring DM & from some Apache project I believe
[17:49:44] <philk_> magnet: at least they are moving... not like the stuff Sun proposes...
[17:49:53] <magnet> yes :)
[17:50:17] <magnet> well there's a JSR on DI now too, so .. I just hope all this stuff interoperates
[17:50:19] <philk_> magnet: we are using Equinox for now, any plans yet when they will implement it?
[17:50:44] <magnet> philk_, no idea, that would indeed be a question for njbartlett, but the implementations are container-agnostic anyway
[17:50:45] <philk_> magnet: I would hope Sun would first go and split this huge Runtime into several bundles
[17:51:18] <magnet> philk_, looks like it won't happen any time soon, but Apache Harmony's J2SE implementation is modular and in OSGi afaik
[17:51:50] <magnet> (and it also outperforms Sun for some stuff, including classloading performance)
[17:52:16] <nblracer_> any help on getting VE installed
[17:52:17] <njbartlett> magnet: philk_ Strongly disagree that DS will be superseded by Blueprint. DS is much better an more lightweight IMHO. Anyway, really got to go now :-)
[17:52:48] <douilspee> any EclipseTracPlugin  user ?
[17:52:53] <magnet> njbartlett, hehe :) ok thanks for the info, get well :)
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[18:00:05] <nblracer_> http://pastebin.com/d462cb461
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[18:02:14] <nblracer_> ^ my current error ^
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[18:03:39] <tcpsyn> hello. I'm trying to figure out how to do a remote php project in eclipse. I'm checking out from an svn repo to my local box, but I can't figure out how to publish that to a remote webserver
[18:04:24] <tcpsyn> could anyone help me out?
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[18:44:40] <Omnipotent> Hey, I'm looking for a plugin that would allow me to connect and work remotely through an FTP server (or is it already there?), anyone can recommend on something?
[18:46:06] <rcjsuen> Omnipotent: Did you take a look at ~TM
[18:46:06] <Arbalest> Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/
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[19:09:40] <njbartlett> philk_: With regard to magnet's question... the Eclipse implementation of Blueprint will be Spring-DM itself, which is currently the RI. It will be part of Gemini
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[19:10:34] <njbartlett> philk_: Apache Aries also has a full Blueprint implementation, written by Guillaume Nodet. It was part of Geronimo originally but now moved under the Aries umbrella
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[19:11:36] <njbartlett> philk_: I actually prefer the Aries implementation because it's got fewer dependencies. But it should be fine to switch between the implementations as long as you stick to the standard.
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[19:17:08] <philk_> njbartlett: thanks! I will take a look at spring-dm. Lets hope they have reduced the dependencies
[19:18:21] <philk_> njbartlett: does a bundle that has DS services need to be started?
[19:19:31] <paulweb515> philk_: it will get started automatically on the first getService(*) request
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[19:20:22] <philk_> paulweb515: and if the component has "immediate=true", the bundle should be started automatically and start consuming services
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[19:21:22] <paulweb515> oh, I didn't know that
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[19:27:45] <philk_> paulweb515: it should, but it is not... I have an EventHandler DS  which is not detected by the EventAdmin until the bundle is started
[19:28:36] <paulweb515> oh, maybe immediate means "start the service immediately when the bundles is started"
[19:28:55] <paulweb515> philk_: without that, it still might not start the service until requested, even if the bundle is started
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[19:29:14] <philk_> and also the eventadmin bundle itself is not started, its in Lazy state event though there is a EventHandler waiting to instantiated
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[19:32:13] <paulweb515> right, AFAIK the eventadmin bundle must be started by the system ... that means either config.ini (startlevel) or by a programmatic call to adminBundle.start(Bundle.START_TRANSIENT)
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[19:32:26] <philk_> hmmm I am not happy with DS still. Now I have cleaned my config area and only the DS bundle is started. However, it does not start my FileMonitor immediate service although in the resolved bundles are FileListener services waiting. It seems that DS does not pick up component definitions from Resolved bundles
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[19:35:24] <philk_> magnet: How is the behaviour with DS and resolved bundles? Shouldn't service components loaded from all resolved bundles?
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[19:36:36] <magnet> philk_: if your bundle has a lazy loading policy, you need some call into the bundle so that it would be activated
[19:36:49] <magnet> (started)
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[19:37:02] <philk_> magnet: hmmm I had hoped DS will do that for me
[19:37:15] <philk_> magnet: otherwise I would just have to start all the bundles myself
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[19:37:52] <magnet> philk_: that, or for the one which has an "immediate" DS component, you don't use lazy loading
[19:38:37] <philk_> magnet: I only start the immediate DS components bundle?
[19:39:09] <philk_> magnet: and then it should pick up the components coming from lazy bundles?
[19:40:03] <magnet> philk_: I think so yes, because the call to a service constructor will activate its host bundle
[19:40:40] <philk_> magnet: yes, that does indeed seems to work... I am really wrestling with those DS tonight :)
[19:40:58] <magnet> hehe :) good luck (/me got back home -- enough tech talk for the day :)
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[19:48:30] <njbartlett> philk_: Sorry I was away... yes a DS bundle does need to be started, otherwise DS will ignore it
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[19:49:38] <njbartlett> philk_: This is a good thing. The Eclipse Extensions stuff pays attention to all resolved bundles, so there's no way to explicitly control which bundles it considers
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[19:53:36] <philk_> njbartlett: I was hoping that since OSGi *knows* which bundles are available, that DS would query those bundles for components
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[19:54:14] <njbartlett> philk_: So if DS looked at all bundles including resolved ones, how would you tell it NOT to look at a particular bundle?
[19:54:37] <njbartlett> philk_: DS looks at ACTIVE state, because that's the only state you have explicit control over.
[19:55:13] <njbartlett> philk_: But you can get a management agent to start bundles based on a policy. If you're writing Eclipse plugins then Eclipse includes a management agent called p2
[19:55:51] <njbartlett> philk_: p2 will do a lazy-start on all bundles marked with the lazy activation policy. That will put them in STARTING state, which DS1.1 will also consider
[19:55:59] <philk_> njbartlett: the bundles not to look at are not installed, I would think
[19:56:17] <njbartlett> philk_: Right, so if you want to make DS ignore a bundle you have completely uninstall it. Yuck.
[19:56:31] <njbartlett> philk_: That's how extensions work in Eclipse and it sucks.
[19:56:58] <njbartlett> philk_: ACTIVE state is best because it gives you control. The only problem is some people don't want control, they just want everything to happen magically :-)
[19:57:11] <philk_> njbartlett: how do the dropins folder work in 3.6? I suppose its managed by p2?
[19:57:27] <paulweb515> philk_: yes, there's a p2 dropins bundle
[19:57:30] <njbartlett> philk_: Yes I believe so. I don't use dropins much
[19:58:09] <philk_> njbartlett: p2 is still not in a state that it is easily understandable by me
[19:58:51] <philk_> njbartlett: Implementing update in an RCP is still way to complicated and includes way to much bload in regard of what p2 bundles you need to ship your app with
[19:59:49] <njbartlett> philk_: If you're developing an RCP app then you can make it much simpler than that then. Just write a management agent that immediately starts every bundle that has the Service-Component header. This is FREE... so long as your bundles don't have activators.
[20:00:11] <njbartlett> philk_: I'm currently writing a blog post entitled "It's Time to Ban Bundle Activators" that explains some of this :-)
[20:00:32] <philk_> njbartlett: I am not using Bundle activators anymore and force my colleagues to do the same
[20:00:38] <njbartlett> Great
[20:00:40] <philk_> njbartlett: they are obsolete imho
[20:00:46] <njbartlett> I agree
[20:01:01] <philk_> njbartlett: you can use DS and FrameworkUtil (if you need to register a service manually)
[20:01:11] <njbartlett> Right
[20:01:55] <njbartlett> philk_: So, forget all the fancy lazy activation crap that Eclipse forced into OSGi R4.2. That was just so they could have their cake (i.e. activators) and eat it (laziness)
[20:02:13] <njbartlett> Actually R4.1, sorry
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[20:04:23] <philk_> njbartlett: so whats with the Bundle-ActivationPolicy: lazy then?
[20:05:48] <njbartlett> philk_: Well it's pretty complicated and I don't think there's much use for it besides legacy stuff in Eclipse. The problem is, Eclipse can't just remove all their activators because people have been using PDE for years which automatically creates an activator for every damn bundle. Doh!
[20:06:27] <njbartlett> philk_: Those activators, incidentally, do almost nothing... but they have to be there
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[20:08:06] <njbartlett> philk_: But B-AP does allow a bundle to enter this funny STARTING state where the DS services will be registered but the activator has not yet been run. It's also useful if you want to use DS in an existing Eclipse product like the SDK, where you can't mess around with config.ini to get your bundles started.
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[20:13:38] <njbartlett> philk_: Off again, TTYL
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[20:15:09] <Tobsch> hey...does anybody know when the EGIT plugin will be released?
[20:15:21] <rcjsuen> you mean 1.0?
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[20:16:01] <Tobsch> no....is there a version online? I cant find a download
[20:16:24] <Tobsch> or is there a update site?
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[20:17:10] <rcjsuen> there's an update site but it's from like August or July, arguably "old"
[20:17:15] <rcjsuen> check their google code site
[20:17:21] <rcjsuen> or the egit page on the eclipse wiki
[20:17:54] <kmeehl> hello
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[20:18:23] <kmeehl> can anybody point me to information that might be helpful in fixing an install problem with subclipse
[20:18:27] <Tobsch> i found that page...but there are no download and no download site..
[20:18:28] <Tobsch> http://www.eclipse.org/egit/downloads.php
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[20:19:01] <Tobsch> the last version i found was 0.3.1...but i cannot find a update site
[20:19:01] <rmrfslash> Can I view packages as a tree in eclipse?
[20:19:21] <rcjsuen> Tobsch: Click 'Installation'?
[20:19:31] <rcjsuen> Unless that's where you went and you found 0.3.1
[20:19:36] <rcjsuen> I don't think it's that old but I don't really remember
[20:19:40] <rcjsuen> ~tell rmrfslash about gfaq
[20:19:40] <Arbalest> rmrfslash: The answer you seek may be in our graphical FAQs! Screenshots are provided to guide you through the process - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs
[20:20:13] <Tobsch> on installatioN? there is only that "An official update site is not yet available. " :)
[20:20:32] <Tobsch> and http://www.jgit.org/updates/ is undefined
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[20:20:53] <rcjsuen> right, they haven't made one hosted at eclipse.org
[20:20:58] <charley> kmeehl: we may be able to help, just ask :)
[20:21:15] <rcjsuen> Tobsch: and that site seems to load for me
[20:21:28] <Tobsch> oh hm okey...not for me
[20:21:56] <kmeehl> well, im running galileo on kubuntu 9.10. ive tried installing subclipse both from the update site and downloading the package. the install seems to go fine, but its broken after restarting eclipse
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[20:22:52] <kmeehl> there are no svn settings under the team heading, and the svn repository exploring perspective is there, but with angle brackets. and when i switch to it, i get a blank perspective.
[20:23:14] <rcjsuen> ~tell Tobsch about info
[20:23:14] <Arbalest> Tobsch: Please state a) your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), b) operating system (Windows, Linux, OSX, etc.), c) your Java runtime environment (please verify by checking your ~logs or in the about dialog's ~jre section. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), d) your Eclipse version, and e) where did you get Eclipse from (eclipse.org, distro repository, etc.).
[20:23:38] <kmeehl> currently running the EE package from a straight download from the site, as opposed to the kubuntu repo
[20:26:26] <Tobsch> x86,win7, jre6, 3.5.1 from eclipse.org
[20:27:01] <rcjsuen> Tobsch: i'm on xp and it's fine (tho i use other eclipse versions but anyway)
[20:27:09] <Tobsch> hm k
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[20:29:07] <Tobsch> hm i will try...maybe reinstall eclipse...thanks for the help :)
[20:29:55] <kmeehl> also tried restarting using -clean
[20:30:43] <kmeehl> any thoughts?
[20:33:47] <nitind> kmeehl: If the SVN support requires native libraries (*.so), are they also 64-bit?
[20:34:40] <kmeehl> no, this is 32 bit kubuntu
[20:34:52] <kmeehl> what woudl the libraries be?
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[20:36:44] <nitind> kmeehl: No clue, but you did ask for any thoughts.
[20:36:54] <kmeehl> thanks =)
[20:37:07] <kmeehl> well im stumpted
[20:37:21] <kmeehl> (so much so that i can no longer spell stumped)
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[20:45:53] <rhk> kmeehl: have you tried subversive?
[20:46:05] <rhk> (as opposed to subclipse)
[20:46:22] <rhk> I'm using that on my home machine running ubunu 9.10
[20:46:26] <rhk> er ubuntu even
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[20:47:05] <kmeehl> i thought subversive was old/outdated and subclipse is the standard now?
[20:47:16] <kmeehl> how do they compare?
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[20:52:09] <kmeehl> i seem to be having the same problem with subversive!
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[20:56:51] <kmeehl> what does that mean?
[20:57:11] <moradan> Hello, I'm trying to make a GAE-application with Eclipse and a Google plugin. However I have a tomcat server on my computer listening 8080 port - is there a way to debug GAE applications with Eclipse using another port and where this property can be set?
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[21:02:40] <kmeehl> how woudl it be possible to have the same problem with subclipse and subversive?
[21:08:56] <rcjsuen> kmeehl: well if they both use the same lib to talk with the SVN server, maybe
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[21:09:25] <kmeehl> what lib woudl that be? how would i find out
[21:09:46] <rcjsuen> well, like the javahl native lib, or SVNkit, or whatever
[21:09:52] <rcjsuen> as to how to find out, no idea
[21:09:58] <rcjsuen> perhaps you could try using the SVN CLI first to make sure that works
[21:11:19] <kmeehl> it does
[21:11:42] <kmeehl> and ived tried subclipse using the JavaHL stuff and the SVNKit stuff
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[22:04:23] <rhk> kmeehl: look in the help -> about dialog to see what is installed. it sounds like the right plugins are either not installed or not active somehow
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[22:04:42] <rhk> kmeehl: which features did you choose to install?
[22:05:20] <kmeehl> i started with the EE package
[22:05:35] <kmeehl> subclipse doesnt complain about any missing plugins upon installation
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[22:08:58] <rhk> ok started with EE, then added the update site for subclipse? then...
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[22:11:45] <rhk> kmeehl: did you install everything that was marked "required"?
[22:13:18] <rhk> kmeehl: I see 3 required features (subclipse, subversion client adapter, and subversion javahl native library adapter)
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[22:19:07] <kmeehl> yes
[22:19:22] <kmeehl> i tried both installing only everything required, and installing everything available
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[22:19:36] <atpa8a> hello
[22:19:58] <atpa8a> how can i exclude output directories from searches?..
[22:20:17] <atpa8a> not exactly output tho...
[22:20:28] <atpa8a> target/ for maven projects
[22:21:42] <kmeehl> rhk: yes, started with eclipse EE, added the update site for subclipse 1.6.x, installed all components. restarted eclipse....broken install
[22:22:58] <rhk> kmeehl: I'd have to set up a virtual machine to test further here. (work machine is windows xp sp3)
[22:25:28] <rhk> kmeehl: I did test using eclipse-platform-3.5.1 and those three plugins, on this machine, and it worked. My first impulse is that the problem is with javahl, since it's native code.
[22:25:35] <rhk> kmeehl: what jvm are you using?
[22:25:59] <rhk> kmeehl: I had lots of crashes and strange behavior using openjdk, which I think is default in ubuntu
[22:26:25] <rhk> but my ubuntu system is 64 bit too
[22:26:40] <kmeehl> yeah, i would expect more problems with the native stuff. but with SVNKit, its all java
[22:26:44] <kmeehl> java version "1.6.0_15"
[22:26:44] <kmeehl> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_15-b03)
[22:26:54] <kmeehl> im using the sun java that comes in the unbuntu repo
[22:26:56] <kmeehl> 9.10
[22:27:03] <rhk> that's what I use now too
[22:27:11] <kmeehl> hrm
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[22:28:30] <rhk> actually, with subversive, I know you can install just the team provider, and still get to the preferences and svn perspective even if neither svnkit or javahl is installed
[22:28:59] <rhk> so if you can't get to those, there is something deeper wrong
[22:30:00] <kmeehl> my first impulse was maybe permissions
[22:30:49] <rhk> where did you install eclipse?
[22:31:01] <rhk> for linux I usually just leave it in my home directory
[22:31:25] <rhk> linux doesn't have silly pathname length restrictions
[22:33:07] <kmeehl> i like to install it in /usr/share/ with the majority of other applications
[22:33:20] <kmeehl> especially since plugins are installed locally anyway
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[22:40:19] <rhk> are you sure it's installing plugins locally?
[22:40:27] <rhk> it sounds a lot like it's not
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[22:43:12] <rhk> try putting it in ~/eclipse, and install subclipse again.
[22:43:17] <rhk> I'd bet it works
[22:43:49] <rhk> I think you have to configure it specifically to run with a shared installation like that, but I could be wrong
[22:46:52] <rcjsuen> atpa8a: I think derived directories are not searched, you could mark them as such I suppose in their properties.
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[22:52:08] <adz21c> hi, i am running eclipse 3.5.1, when i try to set the text editor foreground colour it seems to ignore me and keeps it black. I have fixed this issue before but for the life of me can't remember how. I am on KUbuntu 9.10. Anyone know the solution to my problem?
[22:52:59] <nitind> adz21c: What have you tried?
[22:53:56] <adz21c> i have made sure my java runtime is sun-java6, and other than that i have been googling with no success, which is annoying since last time i found it in mins i am sure
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[22:56:47] <adz21c> obviously i have tried settings it in colours and fonts, but like i said, seems like its ignoring me. I saw a reference online to someone saying it was the java runtime forcing the colour, hence i made sure the default JRE on my PC was sun and not openjdk, but made no difference
[22:57:15] <rcjsuen> adz21c: Did you try on simple .txt files? Did you try in a new workspace?
[22:57:28] <adz21c> 1 mo i give that a shot
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[22:59:59] <adz21c> normal text file works happily, so whats that all about?
[23:00:24] <rcjsuen> well, to begin with, no one even knows what files you're editing
[23:00:50] <rcjsuen> Whatever you may be editing, you may want to check the bug tracking system.
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[23:08:49] <adz21c> ah, school boy error, seems it was the syntax highlighting, didn't notice the "other" option, assumed that would be handled by the default foreground color, oh well live and learn :-) cheers for the help
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[23:09:40] <rcjsuen> oic
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[23:12:27] <al> hey, does somebody have a hint on how i could get my right click context menu in package explorer working again?
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[23:12:59] <rcjsuen> al: I've not heard that not working before, does it work in other places like the 'Outline' view?
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[23:13:44] <al> rcjsuen: yea
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[23:14:37] <al> oh, i meant project explorer, not package explorer
[23:15:10] <al> guess it might be caused by this qt/c++ addon
[23:16:31] <al> or is there another way to add a team provider to an existing project without using the context menu? ;)
[23:16:55] <rcjsuen> Try the 'Package Explorer' or 'Navigator' maybe?
[23:21:24] <al> mh, no luck
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[23:36:46] <moradan> where is autoformatting the code in the Eclipse?
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[23:42:38] <paulweb515_> moradan: it's in org.eclipse.jdt.ui somewhere
[23:43:16] <rcjsuen> assuming you speak of the Java formatter anyway
[23:43:22] <rcjsuen> it's in jdt.core
[23:44:13] <rcjsuen> if you watn to just use the feature, hit Ctrl+Shift+F
[23:44:14] <moradan> thanks - how can I use it in the editor?
[23:44:22] <moradan> oh, thanks a lot
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