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[00:33:31] <tomvolek_> HI all:   A simple question,  Is there a Eclipse version which included most of the core features together, like Java EE, WebToolkit, PHP support, MObile, C,C++  ?    Or for each catagory a seperate eclipse needs to be used.
[00:33:51] <rcjsuen> there's no one build/download from eclipse.org that includes them all anyway
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[00:35:00] <tomvolek_> so if i need to do php and java i need to have tow eclispe version on my desktop?  sorry for askiing. i have been away from eclipse for this same reason for a while been using Netbeans
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[00:35:21] <rcjsuen> tomvolek_: well, there's a provisioning system like netbeans, to install plug-ins (or modules as they're called in the nb world)
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[00:36:54] <tomvolek_> rcjsuen. thanks .   That is what I used to do a year ago . but it was very unstable .. and I switched to NB.   Now i need to use eclipse due to some Google and salesforce plugiins bein availble only for Eclipse.
[00:37:10] <rcjsuen> oic
[00:37:58] <tomvolek_> I know you have to be very careful with mix and matching the plugins and versions ... otherwise u get a frozen Eclipse on your hand
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[00:48:18] <paulweb515_> tomvolek_: for the last release and this release, projects with correctly matching version numbers were grouped into the "release train"
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[00:48:42] <paulweb515_> tomvolek_: to help with that problem.  Ganymede (3.4.x) and Galileo (3.5.x) are available
[00:48:59] <tomvolek_> ok thanks paul
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[00:50:58] <tomvolek_> Paulweb515 your first comment applies to both Ganymade and Galileo ?
[00:51:55] <rcjsuen> yes
[00:51:56] <paulweb515_> tomvolek_: yes (and the one before, Europa 3.3.x but that's way old)
[00:52:19] <paulweb515_> tomvolek_: Ganymede and Galileo both includes more content that works together
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[00:54:08] <tomvolek_> thanks, I wich we had one branch which woudl be able to handle all plugs pertaining to a current releae version ...BY this I mean .. lets say if current release was Galileo  then php.java,c, woudl be supported in it.
[00:54:37] <rcjsuen> That's how it works right now. Maybe rephrase that?
[00:54:53] <tomvolek_> or maybe it is setup that way and I dont knwo about it .
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[00:55:18] <tomvolek_> ok, thanks guys it is clear for me now . I will give Galieo a try .. thanks for your time
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[01:12:19] <alex87> i've just started using eclipse, and it's been useful, but geez it uses a lot of RAM. any reason for that?
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[01:12:40] <rhk> it's big :)
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[01:14:27] <rcjsuen> That conversation was shortlived ;)
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[01:17:04] <rhk> yeah, I didn't get to send my longer response
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[01:48:54] <deterministic> Anyone know if SWT supports the 'UI Presentation Mode' flag on eclipse, or rather, if it's possible to fullscreen an SWT app in OSX (i.e. no menubar at the top)  via the presentation mode.
[01:49:03] <deterministic> errr on OSX, not on eclipse.
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[01:53:38] <solotandem> elcipse 3.5: can not add a cvs repository because dialog fields are disabled
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[01:57:34] <rcjsuen> all fields?
[01:58:36] <solotandem> no; the host and repos path are disabled; the others are enabled
[01:59:57] <rcjsuen> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=295203
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[02:01:03] <solotandem> thx for the link
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[02:43:23] <kohei__> anybody able to give me some information regarding this error message "There is no installation package available which enables this plugin: ... "? thanks
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[02:47:24] <rcjsuen> kohei__: Don't think I've heard of it, more context would be required.
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[02:48:40] <kohei__> yeah, google has nothing either. it is part of my Error Log
[02:48:51] <kohei__> the specific plugin is "IBM Rational Modeling Platform Core Validation"
[02:51:48] <kohei__> it occurs when I am opening a model via a plug-in, but I don't believe it is a issue with the plug-in (as it works on other environments)
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[02:53:26] <faffi> is there any way i can make the package explorer only show a subpackage if the + next to it is clicked
[02:53:34] <faffi> i dont even know how to google the question
[02:54:54] <rcjsuen> you mean a ttree structure
[02:54:56] <rcjsuen> instead of flat?
[02:54:58] <faffi> ya
[02:55:04] <rcjsuen> ~gfaq
[02:55:05] <rcjsuen> go there
[02:55:06] <Arbalest> The answer you seek may be in our graphical FAQs! Screenshots are provided to guide you through the process - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs
[02:56:09] <faffi> the "package representation" link doesnt exist
[02:56:22] <faffi> err "package presentation"
[02:56:34] <rcjsuen> Screenshot
[02:56:53] <faffi> of what? my IDE?
[02:56:58] <rcjsuen> yes
[02:57:04] <rcjsuen> of your menu item (that is missing)
[02:57:10] <faffi> i cant, propietary and such
[02:57:11] <rcjsuen> the screen of eclipse
[02:57:27] <faffi> also im an idiot
[02:57:29] <faffi> wrong button
[02:57:33] <rcjsuen> well then
[02:57:36] <faffi> :)
[02:57:44] <rcjsuen> I guess those screenshots don't help as much as I thought they would when I made them o.o
[02:57:45] <faffi> it looked like it was right clicking
[02:57:57] <faffi> err it looked like it was right clicking
[02:58:09] <rcjsuen> You're the first to have that problem.
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[02:58:15] <rcjsuen> I will have to update the text to say left-click specifically.
[02:58:18] <faffi> its been a long day with lots of code
[02:58:20] <rcjsuen> or "primary click"
[02:58:27] <faffi> im sure you can understand :P
[02:58:55] <jamescarr> I know I asked this here before, but I never got an answer, so here it is again... how can I enable WTP for an existing project?
[02:59:14] <jamescarr> or to narrow it a bit, how can I enable WTP when creating a new maven project and using a maven archetype??
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[03:01:49] <jamescarr> no one knows
[03:01:59] <jamescarr> I mean seriously... it is like no one knows at all
[03:02:13] <rcjsuen> Did you try the forums?
[03:04:11] <jamescarr> which? I could only find mailing lists for wtp-releng, wtp-pmc, and wtp-dev
[03:04:24] <rcjsuen> i mean www.eclipse.org/forums
[03:05:03] <jamescarr> thanks
[03:05:06] <jamescarr> I'll try there
[03:06:55] <kohei__> the error message above leads to a warning of "License key check failed for plugin com.ibm.xtools.emf.validation.core" but there is no other description
[03:09:20] <jamescarr> bleh, their site search sucks... can't search within a particular forum
[03:09:34] <rcjsuen> forums is pretty flaky, yes
[03:09:40] <rcjsuen> you could search the newsgroup archives (same thing) I guess
[03:13:00] <jamescarr> ah ha
[03:13:18] <jamescarr> found it... have to install an additional plugin to make m2eclipse+WTP play together
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[03:13:33] <rcjsuen> Have links to share with the channel?
[03:13:52] <jamescarr> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php?t=msg&goto=225955&S=2981ec5552f7aea84a0f093a0f52414e
[03:13:57] <jamescarr> it was hidden down in there :)
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[03:28:26] <bitshuffler> Hi guys. I run into a strange issue that some buttons don't respond or input fields aren't fillable on 64 bit (suse 11.2). This seems to be a general SWT issue since it also happens for e.g. Azureus. Did anyone of you run into this or even knows a workaround?
[03:28:54] <bitshuffler> I prolly should add that those buttons _are_ "clickable" with the keyboard shortcut.
[03:29:01] <rcjsuen> bitshuffler: see faq in channel topic
[03:30:11] <bitshuffler> rcjsuen: ok, but the intention of the question is more if that is known, if there is a workaround and who the correct guys to bitch are (swt folks, suse devs ...).
[03:30:25] <rcjsuen> bitshuffler: it is known (in the faq), the workaround is known (in the faq)
[03:30:34] <rcjsuen> the faq also links to the bug (who to "bitch at")
[03:30:56] <bitshuffler> you so saved my day once I find it :D
[03:34:18] <rcjsuen> bitshuffler: Did you find it?
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[03:35:11] <bitshuffler> I'm t http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Eclipse_buttons_in_dialogs_and_other_places_are_not_working_for_me_if_I_click_them_with_the_mouse._They_work_if_I_use_the_mnemonic_key_though.2C_what.27s_going_on.3F - let me see if it fixes it for me
[03:35:56] * bitshuffler hugs rcjsuen
[03:36:18] <bitshuffler> rcjsuen: Thanks, you totally saved my day :) (I was short from reverting to 32bit or some older version)
[03:36:21] <rcjsuen> bitshuffler: Please have more faith in our FAQ in the future ;)
[03:36:35] <rcjsuen> we have an all-seeing eye and though very long, we try to keep it up to date :)
[03:37:28] <bitshuffler> :D
[03:37:39] * bitshuffler promises to look their next time ;D
[03:38:51] <bitshuffler> s/their/there/
[03:39:05] <rcjsuen> Good luck with whatever you were trying to do :)
[03:39:18] <bitshuffler> rcjsuen: cheers :)
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[04:02:26] <bitshuffler> hmmm, well that thing fixed the clicky stuff but I'm still not able to point the "add svn repo dialog" to some url (the URL textfield is disabled). That's known as well?
[04:02:52] <bitshuffler> (I'm using subclipse btw)
[04:03:23] <rcjsuen> someone filed a bug on that https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=295203
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[04:05:01] <bitshuffler> hmm, are you sure that is the same? (I need no search functionality but merely the ability to enter the proper url)
[04:05:15] <rcjsuen> it's a combo control with text input, no?
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[04:06:06] <bitshuffler> rcjsuen: I'm not sure. The box has an arrow pointing to the bottom at the right but basically it should just be some input field.
[04:06:17] <rcjsuen> so yes it's a combo control
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[04:07:46] <rcjsuen> ior you could try to do some searches and reproduce the problem described in the bug
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[04:08:19] <bitshuffler> rcjsuen: that's how it looks: http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2121/svn.png
[04:08:34] <rcjsuen> that matches what i have in mind
[04:09:07] <rcjsuen> and your theme looks identical to those screenshots on the bug
[04:09:31] <bitshuffler> that's prolly classic kde4 with some gtk integration
[04:09:53] <rcjsuen> the guy said he's on kde 4.3 using qtcurve or something in comment 11
[04:10:02] <rcjsuen> dunno if that's the same (I don't use kde/gnome)
[04:10:33] <bitshuffler> qtcurve is some different theme but I guess the basics are the same (also since qtcurve is more qt iirc)
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[05:09:59] <ramenmeal> i need quick help involving an argument.
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[05:11:17] <ramenmeal> if i from terminal type "java DF2009Convert" which takes a .dat file with the name hardcoded into the program, and that .dat file is in the same directory, everything works
[05:11:50] <ramenmeal> but in eclipse when running the program, even though i dragged the .dat file into the project, it doesn't find it
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[07:37:49] <RenatoSilva> is there a way to not require an execution environment for a plugin?
[07:38:20] <RenatoSilva> or not restrict to one specific?
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[07:58:18] <keya> RenatoSilva: You want to execute applications with different sets of plug-ins coming from one development set up or something like that?
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[08:07:08] <RenatoSilva> I just want to remove a warning because I have jre6 not 5
[08:07:37] <RenatoSilva> because jre6 should be compatible with java 5 code
[08:16:35] <RenatoSilva> also, is org.eclipse.core.runtime.Preferences really deprecated? compiler is warning but can't find anything on the web
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[09:13:44] <philk__> how do I use ObservableValueEditingSupport.create with a CheckboxCellEditor on my models boolean property?
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[09:51:00] <RenatoSilva> how to fix this warning? Build path specifies execution environment J2SE-1.5. There are no JREs installed in the workspace that are strictly compatible with this environment.
[09:51:06] <RenatoSilva> Java 5 is DEAD
[09:52:06] <RenatoSilva> I think it should not require "strict" compatibility
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[10:03:03] <ramenmeal> well RenatoSilva
[10:03:10] <ramenmeal> you should go to....
[10:03:53] <ramenmeal> the java build properites in your project's properites
[10:04:07] <ramenmeal> and make sure it contains the java you need.
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[10:06:57] <RenatoSilva> why should I use a DEAD softwate that is a security risk for my system?
[10:07:12] <RenatoSilva> Java has reached it's end of life as nov 2009
[10:07:18] <RenatoSilva> *Java 5
[10:07:23] <RenatoSilva> *its
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[10:11:53] <ramenmeal> yeah so change the Java that eclipse is using to 1.6
[10:12:54] <RenatoSilva> I just did that, I was asking this because I'm just a contributor for the underlying project
[10:13:14] <RenatoSilva> besides, the question is not strict to 1.5/6
[10:13:34] <RenatoSilva> I really wonder why does Eclipse always restrict the execution environment
[10:14:02] <RenatoSilva> you should be able to tell Java 5 --or higher--
[10:15:06] <RenatoSilva> because in many cases, if not all, you don't really care about requiring one specific version, just because afaik Java engineers are obsessed with backward compatibility
[10:15:41] <ramenmeal> yeah i see what your saying
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[10:25:13] <veyres> A newbie question : how to import a file.java inside an existing java-project repertory in Eclipse ?
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[10:44:06] <keya> veyres: You can import any file from the File System in to your eclipse project via Import -> General -> File System.  Browse to the directory where your file exists e.g /tmp/ .  The pane on the right side will give you the entire file listing.  Select the file using the checkox against it.
[10:45:38] <keya> veyres: The java development environment provides much cooler ways of importing, as mentioned before, of pasting the entire content of the class in your /src or any package.
[10:46:13] <veyres> keya: Yes, this works ... but my problem was to *save* this file into an existing Java-Project.
[10:46:37] <veyres> Drag/drop inside Eclipse didn't work apparently...
[10:47:11] <keya> veyres: You have to drop under a folder or a project.
[10:47:50] <keya> veyres: Importing in either way would copy and hence should save the file under the drop target.
[10:47:50] <veyres> keya: Another solution would be to create a new class and cut/past the content of my file inside this new class... but it doesn't seem very "clean".
[10:48:29] <keya> veyres: Yes.  But I have never faced any problem in importing any resource in Eclipse.
[10:49:15] <veyres> Dragging from the Ubuntu file system to Eclipse is working fine ... No problem, now.
[10:49:43] <keya> veyres: Okay.
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[10:49:55] <veyres> It's only when I have an *orphan* file inside Eclipse that I don't know how to save it in a project.
[10:50:42] <veyres> But many alternatives solutions ...so, no problem. Thanks for your feedback :-)
[10:51:01] <keya> veyres:  Orphan files are not allowed in Eclipse.
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[10:52:25] <veyres> keya: I managed to import a single file.java with the menu "File > Open" ...
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[10:54:10] <veyres> ...This is what I call "orphan" file :-)
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[11:00:09] <keya> veyres: Oh okay.  :-)  But that would just open a file in an Eclipse editor and not *copy* it into Eclipse.  I guess that's where the confusion started.
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[11:10:03] <veyres> keya: I come from vim ... and I have to discover Eclipse for Java. That's why I'm a little bit arrogant with new stuff. But I'm pretty sure it's a powerful tool. I'm just too lazy and frustrated to learn again what I know with vim :-)
[11:11:34] <philk__> why do I not see the CheckboxCellEditor in my tableviewer?
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[11:12:18] <philk__> I am setting it using setEditingSupport and ObservableValueEditingSupport.create
[11:13:05] <keya> veyres: Yes  I can understand.  But I know you would be happy working with Eclipse.  Have fun.  :-0
[11:13:09] <keya> *:-)
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[11:19:01] <CarstenP2> Hi, I imported some old glassfish projects (Webapp, jpa) into a fresh workspace and i am getting "Target runtime glassfish v2 java ee5 is not defined errors, but the runtime is installed. i am using galileo SR1
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[11:32:36] <breakerfall> hi - is it possible to set eclipse to automagically display a list of available methods / built-in functions when typing the first few characters?
[11:32:49] <breakerfall> I'm using PDT, if that makes any difference
[11:33:10] <breakerfall> currently, if I press control+space, a list of available methods appear, but I'd like that to appear as I'm typing, if possible
[11:37:33] <breakerfall> nevermind, I found the option, thanks :)
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[12:35:14] <CarstenP2> Why cant i change my project facet to EAR 5.0 ?
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[13:06:15] <davep> im having a slight issue
[13:06:20] <davep> as in, the sample wont open
[13:06:21] <davep> or anything
[13:08:14] <davep> files dont open, the "open project" menu button is greyed out
[13:09:27] <rcjsuen> For starters no one knows what samples you're talking about.
[13:10:29] <rcjsuen> If you're talking about the 'Welcome' page you see on startup then that problem does sound vaguely familiar.
[13:10:37] <davep> sorry. i downloaded the ide for java.
[13:10:44] <rcjsuen> I don't think anyone filed a bug yet though.
[13:10:46] <davep> yeah, it's under the welcome
[13:11:25] <davep> umm, i managed to close the welcome tab
[13:11:30] <davep> everything is magically working.
[13:11:37] <davep> kinda.
[13:12:12] <rcjsuen> "kinda"?
[13:13:41] <davep> it's odd that the open project and close project are still greyed out. but the project i made is working now
[13:13:43] <davep> so close enough.
[13:14:36] <rcjsuen> those would be enabled, if your project was selected
[13:15:01] <davep> aha. thanks
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[13:37:44] <philk__> rcjsuen: hi! Any idea why the CheckBoxCellEditor is not visible in my TableViewer? http://pastebin.com/m4f7c4524
[13:38:05] <rcjsuen> My databinding foo is the limit approaching zero, sorry.
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[13:44:10] <philk__> who knows anything about databinding here?
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[13:55:47] <Chip_Zero> Can anyone point me in the direction of the API to open an editor adjecent to an existing one?
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[13:58:06] <rcjsuen> Chip_Zero: You can't pick locations, you just tell the workbench to open and it'll open it
[13:58:34] <Chip_Zero> the idea is that this is a derived editor. I'd like to open it next to the editor it is derived from
[13:58:48] <Chip_Zero> now my users have to do this by hand
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[14:54:22] <jham> there should be defenitely a separate channel for gmf.
[14:54:37] <rcjsuen> jham: Did you try asking on the forums?
[14:54:52] <rcjsuen> You're welcome to create a new channel, though you would have to advertise it so people actually join it ;)
[14:54:58] <jham> and emf. newsgroups latency is very low for a "best-practice" question :)
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[14:55:56] <jham> well, then you're all welcome into #gmf :P
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[16:04:41] <sleon> hi
[16:04:49] <sleon> is it possible to compile eclipse for cygwin environment ? :)
[16:04:55] <sleon>  i know i am a pervert
[16:06:35] <rcjsuen> compile eclipse for cygwin environment?
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[16:08:33] <CarstenP2> Hi, when i export my EAR project, a corresponding web project is created as JAR instead of WAR. What do I have to change that the corresponding project will be put AS war into the EAR
[16:10:24] <CarstenP2> The project fecet is already a dynamic web module with sun deployment descriptors files
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[16:19:47] <elmuSSo> hello guys
[16:19:51] <elmuSSo> i need your help
[16:19:52] <elmuSSo> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2664/4114402169_f462b5cb12_o.jpg
[16:20:02] <elmuSSo> i didnt do anything particular
[16:20:13] <elmuSSo> and now this error occurs when im starting eclipse
[16:20:47] <rcjsuen> can you run java from the command line?
[16:21:02] <elmuSSo> wait
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[16:22:00] <Wizard> hmm
[16:22:08] <elmuSSo> java yes
[16:22:13] <Wizard> i installed google pluings and nothing happened
[16:22:15] <Wizard> :/
[16:22:23] <elmuSSo> C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin>java
[16:22:23] <elmuSSo> Usage: java [-options] class [args...]
[16:22:23] <elmuSSo>            (to execute a class)
[16:22:23] <elmuSSo>    or  java [-options] -jar jarfile [args...]
[16:22:23] <elmuSSo>            (to execute a jar file)
[16:22:50] <Wizard> updates show plugin installed, but there's no google specific options
[16:22:51] <Wizard> :/
[16:24:18] <elmuSSo> rcjsuen any ideas?
[16:24:53] <rcjsuen> elmuSSo: then just > eclipse.exe -vm C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\java
[16:24:57] <rcjsuen> or maybe quotse around
[16:25:04] <rcjsuen> (since you have that space in program files)
[16:25:31] <elmuSSo> ok
[16:26:19] <elmuSSo> cheers
[16:26:23] <elmuSSo> it should fine
[16:26:36] <elmuSSo> so what? it lost the path to java?
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[16:29:44] <elmuSSo> rcjsuen thx
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[16:38:51] <ablmf1> How to remove cached user/password of subclipes?  It's a plug-in for eclipse
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[16:39:17] <ablmf1> I want to use another user account
[16:53:01] <elmuSSo> cu, thx again
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[16:54:01] <CarstenP2> hi. My web-projects are not deployed in a war file, but in a jar. what am i doing wrong (i use galileo SR1)
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[16:55:11] <hopphopp> i have one superclass and two subclasses
[16:55:38] <hopphopp> in the superclass there is a private static final String variable i want to move down to the subclasses
[16:55:50] <hopphopp> are there any refactoring i could use for this purpose?
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[16:56:28] <hopphopp> i tried to Push Down, selecting the variable name, but only recevied an error message:
[16:58:05] <hopphopp> "to activate this refactoring, please select the name of a non-binary instance method or field"
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[17:05:34] <CarstenP2> what about the file org.eclipse.jst.common.project.facet.core.prefs ?
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[17:06:00] <ablmf1> Could eclipse format a selected code snippet?  Or do I have to indent every line by hand?
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[17:11:19] <rcjsuen> ablmf1: you can try to select the lines then invoke a format operation
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[17:24:44] <ablmf1> rcjsuen: How to invoke a format operation?
[17:24:55] <rcjsuen> Ctrl+Shift+F?
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[17:48:59] <iammeself> hi there is there a good jsp editor for eclipse ... i have tried http://amateras.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/fswiki_en/wiki.cgi?page=EclipseHTMLEditor but it slows down the entire eclipse and takes 10-15 seconds to save a jsp file
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[17:49:07] <ilyak_> Hi
[17:49:15] <ilyak_> In my project I have perhaps twenty jars with source/javadocs
[17:49:47] <ilyak_> Can I attach them all so they would be show up on "go to declaration"?
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[18:04:31] <wild_oscar> hi there. I must have changed something in my Eclipse and can't figure out what: in Java EE perspective, when one highlights a variable, a white colored item appears on the ruler to the right of the code, saying where in the code the variable is used
[18:04:50] <wild_oscar> how can one enable/disable that? all of a sudden, it stopped highlighting my variables
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[18:06:06] <rcjsuen> Alt+Shift+O?
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[18:08:07] <wild_oscar> rcjsuen: that's it!
[18:08:46] <wild_oscar> thanks! what is that shortcut for?
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[18:09:18] <rcjsuen> wild_oscar: you can check the name in the keys pref pg
[18:09:33] <wild_oscar> indeed, sorry about the 2nd question, I was looking there now
[18:10:11] <wild_oscar> I was trying through "right click the ruler - preferences"
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[18:11:02] <wild_oscar> but even though the options to change the color and select the ruler was there, the option to togggle on/off wasn't
[18:11:07] <wild_oscar> thanks a lot
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[18:27:32] <ilyak_> reask: Can I attach them all so they would be show up on "go to declaration"?
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[19:11:09] <jrydberg> I have a project that both contains Python and Java (GWT) code.  Can I combine two types (PyDev and GWT) of projects into one?
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[19:25:34] <rhk> hmm. why does eclipse hang while running a long xsl transform? I thought it ran them in a separate thread or process.
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[19:30:15] <nitind> rhk: How is it being run?
[19:31:05] <rhk> nitind: I highlighted the xml and xsl files, and selected "run as .. xsl transformation"
[19:31:25] <rhk> after that first time, I selected it through the "run..." menu
[19:31:30] <rhk> er toolbutton
[19:32:09] <rhk> the "launch in background" checkbox on the "common" page is turned on
[19:33:15] <rhk> it is generating a 500K XML output from a 12K XSL and 30K XML file. it takes a while to run, which I understand, but I'm not sure why the workbench is locked until it is finished.
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[19:37:06] <rcjsuen> jrydberg: Make a project of each, diff them, and try to combine their metadata.
[19:37:29] <rcjsuen> rhk: You could try to get a thread dump and see what's going on, ~deadlock
[19:37:29] <Arbalest> In a deadlock? http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/How_to_report_a_deadlock
[19:37:34] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver might know something.
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[19:37:49] <rhk> it eventually finishes
[19:38:04] <rhk> I just figured it would run in the background, like it says :0
[19:38:45] <rcjsuen> launch configs usually just launch a completely separate process so i 'd imagine it'd be elsewhere too
[19:38:54] <nitind> Sounds like a bug.
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[19:39:43] <rcjsuen> usually it's just Runtime.getRuntime().exec(...)
[19:40:52] <iws_> hello all, I'm just getting started with eclipse for the first time. I want to import a project ant file. On my Ubuntu system, this works. On my RHEL system, I can't even find the option to import the ant build.xml
[19:42:37] * d_a_carver stirs.
[19:42:43] <d_a_carver> I might know what?
[19:42:55] <rhk> ^^
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[19:44:04] <d_a_carver> rhk: Are you running it in debug or standard mode.  Avoid debugging for normal runs.
[19:44:12] <rhk> I'm running a long (a couple minutes) XSL transform using a 12K XSL and a 30K XML file to produce a 500K xml output
[19:44:24] <rcjsuen> iws_: It doesn't show up in File > Import?
[19:44:40] <rhk> d_a_carver: I don't think I'm running in debug
[19:45:17] <iws_> rhk: nope. I tried creating a new project and found it there. So I guess it works. It doesn't build in eclipse, but running ant manually builds fine
[19:45:25] <d_a_carver> rhk: Debug mode can just take forever depending on the size of the XML, it needs lots of performance tuning.   If you have samples I can see, I could try to reproduce locally.
[19:45:28] <rhk> d_a_carver: I've tried both the JRE default and Xalan processors too
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[19:45:47] <iws_> iws_: rhk sorry, I meant rcjsuen
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[19:45:50] <rcjsuen> iws_: Maybe you're missing the Java tooling.
[19:45:53] <d_a_carver> rhk: Xalan is usually better than the JRE default.
[19:45:56] <rhk> Xalan is a lot faster, but still the workspace halts
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[19:46:20] <biot-messiah> Hi, I know this is probably a bit more Android related, but I'm having trouble with the android SDK
[19:46:23] <d_a_carver> rhk:  Saxon is also a good choice.   Are you asking it to open up the 500K XML after it completes?
[19:46:34] <rhk> yes
[19:46:43] <rhk> maybe that's the pause?
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[19:46:49] <biot-messiah> I point it to the root directory of the SDK in preferences but I still get the same error when I try to start an android project
[19:47:02] <bjorkintosh> is there an interactive console for pydev in eclipse?
[19:47:08] <bjorkintosh> the one i invoked seems inaccessible.
[19:47:16] <rhk> interesting
[19:47:16] <rcjsuen> biot-messiah: Did you try asking in #android?
[19:47:24] <d_a_carver> rhk: in your launch configuration for that file, tell it not to open the output.
[19:47:29] <biot-messiah> It says I'm banned from there
[19:47:35] <biot-messiah> But I've never even visited before
[19:47:50] <rhk> d_a_carver: ok, I turned off the open file option, and it's a whole lot faster even using jre default processor
[19:47:53] <biot-messiah> Maybe it's to do with the freenode web IRC client
[19:47:58] <iws_> rcjsuen: I'm basically interested in profiling an application. I downloaded the "Eclipse IDE for Java Developers" and "TPTP-4.6.1"
[19:48:11] <rhk> interestingly, it still opened the file.
[19:48:24] <rcjsuen> oh that's odd then you should have the Java tooling, not sure why Ant won't come up tho
[19:48:39] <d_a_carver> rhk: odd. It shouldn't.  That does sound like a bug.
[19:48:55] <rhk> d_a_carver: turning off the "open file on completion" does not make the "apply" button enable
[19:49:04] <bjorkintosh> found it.
[19:49:06] <iws_> rcjsuen: I've found ant in the "File -> New Project", which seemed to work ok (doesn't build, but it imported something).
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[19:49:18] <d_a_carver> rhk: Open a bug against the wtp sourcediting wst.xsl component.
[19:49:31] <rhk> I collect bug reports like ancient warriors used to collect ears
[19:49:42] <rhk> they are a prize to me :)
[19:50:12] <d_a_carver> rhk: I think I'm up to reporting some 485 bugs on various eclipse projects.
[19:50:32] <rhk> I have seriously considered creating a web site where users can compete for bragging rights on bug reports
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[19:50:53] <rhk> d_a_carver: I don't have that many, but I still cherish every one
[19:51:01] <glima> hi, folks
[19:51:07] <d_a_carver> rhk: what would be more interesting, the number of bugs fixed by a committer.
[19:51:20] <glima> can somebody give me a light on a cdt question?
[19:51:27] <biot-messiah> Uh oh
[19:51:34] <biot-messiah> Embarassing situation coming up
[19:51:36] <d_a_carver> ~cdt-faq
[19:51:39] <rhk> d_a_carver: smaller pool though, but yes.
[19:51:39] <Arbalest> Looking for all of the answers related to CDT, or just most of them?  Check out the mighty CDT-FAQ (http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/CDT/User/FAQ).
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[19:51:55] <glima> what is the best way to make a cdt-derived plugin to have its own build system?
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[19:52:07] <rhk> d_a_carver: I like the idea that it would encourage behavior that helps improve open source by people not directly involved
[19:52:17] <glima> the projects to be created under it will be autotools ones
[19:52:28] <d_a_carver> rhk: anyways, open up some bugs for me, and I'll see if I can address them during the 3.2M4 stuff.  Stuff with good reproducable steps, will get higher priority.  Stuff with samples and Unit tests, even more so.
[19:52:50] <glima> i just needed a simple autogen.sh+configure+make thing done for me
[19:52:57] <glima> on the underlying build
[19:53:16] <d_a_carver> glima: have you checked the Linux Tools project for eclipse
[19:53:19] <rcjsuen> glima: The Linuxtools projects have some autotools plug-ins you could try using those.
[19:53:21] <glima> autotools already takes care of finding all dependencies through pkg-config
[19:53:34] <glima> rcjsuen: do they have extension points?
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[19:53:49] <rcjsuen> No idea, you could try asking in #eclipse-linux.
[19:53:56] <glima> mm
[19:54:16] <glima> rcjsuen: i didn't know that channel, thanks
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[19:54:47] <Dresk|AtWork> Does Eclipse support system environment variables in its .classpath file?
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[19:58:56] <Wizard> Dresk|AtWork: hmm, there is something like 'classpath variables'
[19:59:19] <Wizard> but i'm not sure if you can configure them to read env variables
[19:59:26] <Dresk|AtWork> Wizard: I'm trying to see if Eclipse can, without having to configure per project, read from an OS environment variable for a path
[19:59:30] <nitind> Dresk|AtWork: No, but like The Wizard said, there are alternates.
[19:59:49] <Dresk|AtWork> Well nutbunnies
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[20:07:49] <rhk> d_a_carver: ~295502
[20:07:53] <Arbalest> Bug 295502 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=295502
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[20:09:18] <rhk> d_a_carver: i'll have to work on making a sample xml and xsl file for the other problem, since I can't post the files I have here due to NDA
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[20:11:35] <[eXception]> hi
[20:11:42] <d_a_carver> rhk: thanks.
[20:12:34] <[eXception]> earlier I downloaded galileo, now I installed  with apt-get. But now I lost many functions from the context-menue (like open shell etc...)
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[20:15:59] <rcjsuen> "open shell"?
[20:16:09] <rcjsuen> You could try using another workspace and see what happens I guess.
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[20:40:39] <joephantom> hi
[20:40:47] <joephantom> i'm having a problem with eclipse cdt
[20:40:53] <joephantom> i'm debugging a project
[20:41:03] <joephantom> and the console is pretty crazy
[20:41:14] <joephantom> it repeats lines
[20:41:24] <joephantom> and after selecting them, they disappear
[20:41:30] <joephantom> and strange things like that...
[20:41:36] <joephantom> any idea? it's a known bug?
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[20:50:26] <rhk> joephantom: not something I've seen
[20:51:08] <rhk> joephantom: what platform? linux? (assumption based on it being console)
[20:54:25] <joephantom> yeah, linux
[20:54:52] <rhk> is the app doing anything with libcurses? (or ncurses, etc)
[20:55:39] <rhk> maybe readline?
[20:55:42] <joephantom> nop
[20:55:56] <biot-messiah> I think my original problem with the android SDK has been fixed
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[20:55:57] <joephantom> i'm using the console of eclipse
[20:56:03] <biot-messiah> It was a deep, low level error
[20:56:12] <biot-messiah> You wouldn't understand it....
[20:56:51] <biot-messiah> I forgot to install dependancies :(
[20:57:05] <rhk> joephantom: yes, but is the code you are debugging using libcurses/libncurses/libreadline ?
[20:57:53] <joephantom> niet
[20:57:56] <joephantom> no
[20:58:28] <joephantom> i'm printing a b+tree... and every time it print it, some line are erased
[20:58:29] <joephantom> and when
[20:58:37] <joephantom> i select text on the console
[20:58:39] <joephantom> magically they appear
[20:59:14] <rhk> what version of gtk are you running? what distro/version?
[21:00:29] <joephantom> gtk 2.18.3-2, arch linux  2.6.31-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Nov 10 19:48:17 CET 2009 i686 Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 175 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
[21:00:49] <joephantom> and i'm using the last eclipse version from eclipse.org
[21:01:03] <joephantom> Eclipse IDE for C/C++ Developers
[21:01:04] <joephantom> Build id: 20090920-1017
[21:02:21] <joephantom> when i change the displayed console lines that should appear but doesn't, suddenly appear
[21:02:47] <rhk> joephantom: are you running with the GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS hack?
[21:03:22] <joephantom> mmm not pretty sure but i think so
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[21:03:28] <joephantom> give me a second
[21:03:38] <joephantom> i think i added something like that, because i had a problem with the buttons on eclipse
[21:03:48] <rhk> ok good
[21:03:54] <joephantom> can it be related with that?
[21:04:13] <rhk> it was more my own speculation on that
[21:04:27] <joephantom> http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/16618
[21:04:27] <joephantom> yeah
[21:04:29] <joephantom> i did that
[21:04:50] <rhk> :) I'm was looking at that page already
[21:05:13] <rhk> it's been a common issue. I had the same problem with ubuntu
[21:05:38] <rhk> is this something that happens consistently?
[21:07:18] <joephantom> no, sometimes it does happens and others it doesn't
[21:07:30] <joephantom> it's pretty disturbing... I can't debug :P
[21:09:54] <rhk> I'd recommend taking a screenshot and filing a bug on bugs.eclipse.org
[21:11:04] <joephantom> i should record a small flash video :P
[21:11:08] <rhk> is there anything in the output of the program that you think the console might choke on? maybe unicode characters? control characters?
[21:11:16] <joephantom> and the worst thing it's that sometimes when i select the text it does appear
[21:11:20] <joephantom> and sometimes it don't
[21:11:25] <joephantom> nop
[21:11:31] <joephantom> that's why it's pretty disturbing
[21:11:34] <rhk> very odd
[21:11:36] <joephantom> yeah!
[21:11:48] <joephantom> it's the first time something like this happens to me on eclipse :p
[21:11:59] <joephantom> i was like an hour thinking it was a bug on my soft
[21:12:46] <joephantom> i have just noticed that it does print it
[21:12:49] <joephantom> but it erase the line
[21:12:53] <joephantom> after printing it
[21:12:59] <joephantom> this are pretty large lines
[21:13:16] <rhk> that could be related
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[21:15:19] <Luyang> hi all, any JAX-WS coders here?
[21:15:55] <Luyang> I've written a web service (for Tomcat). Now, I wonder: how I should do if I want to have method with a parameter which is considered *optional int*, i.e. int minOccurs=0. I'm using auto-XSD/WSDL via JAXB/JAX-WS. Should I use a string value which I try to parse as an Integer? I also want to have optional (null ok) XMLGregorianCalendar parameters, and lastly, how do I return an integer value which can sometimes be missing? I'm writing co
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[21:16:12] <pulse00> hi all. does anyone know how to get the current cursorposition in an AbstractHandler implementation ?
[21:17:17] <paulweb515> pulse00: find the active editor (IEditorPart) and make sure it's an ITextEditor ... that will allow you to ask it
[21:17:46] <pulse00> thanks a lot
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[21:23:20] <pulse00> paulweb515, can i get it through getSelectionProvider() ?
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[21:26:09] <pulse00> i've tried getHighlightRange(), but the range has always the same offset/length, no matter where the cursor is positioned
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[21:34:38] <psypointer> :-)
[21:34:44] <ecfuser15094> :D
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[21:36:27] <charley> Out of curiosity, is there a way to directly modify variables in the Eclipse java debugger during a run? [I.E. without adding some code to the program and saving to hot insert code]
[21:37:06] <charley> nevermind :) you can change value in the variables view
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[21:38:09] <ecfuser20353> is there any running ecf collab server? the default server (ecf.eclipse.org) doesn't work
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[21:38:48] <rcjsuen> pulse00: the selection provider doesn't work?
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[21:40:39] <rcjsuen> ecfuser20353: not that i know of
[21:40:50] <rcjsuen> charley: yeah your life changes when you find that feature
[21:41:05] <Luyang> Guys I just learned CTRL+3 in Eclipse and started typing and I'm in SHOCK it's beautiful!
[21:41:48] <charley> rcjsuen: I think the same applies to that too ^^^ :)
[21:43:00] <Luyang> charley: indeed!!
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[21:49:57] <pulse00> rcjsuen, well, i can get the ISelection using textEditor.getSelectionProvider().getSelection(), but i have no clue where to get the cursorposition from the ISelection
[21:50:06] <rcjsuen> pulse00: check if it's an ITS
[21:50:37] <pulse00> ITS ?
[21:50:42] <rcjsuen> ITextSelection
[21:50:54] <rcjsuen> tho i guess that might not actually work if it's just the text cursor
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[21:51:46] <pulse00> yes, it's just the cursor, no selection at all
[21:52:13] <rcjsuen> well you could try and see if it works
[21:52:17] <rcjsuen> if not you'll have to use a "hack"
[21:53:12] <pulse00> this seems like a use case that people use a lot in a texteditor, there's a need for a hack?
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[21:53:34] <rcjsuen> I know of a hack, there may be API (that I don't know of ;))
[21:53:51] <joephantom> rhk, it was a bug
[21:53:59] <joephantom> i have just manage to solve it
[21:54:31] <joephantom> it's a console bug
[21:54:52] <joephantom> i removed the limit console output
[21:54:57] <joephantom> and everything works know
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[21:56:06] <Luyang> Guys... A question before I go sleep. Can I search throught the member of an object to find matching object members?
[21:56:11] <Luyang> methods etc?
[21:56:51] <Luyang> I type object. and then the syntax hint pops out, but it's too long so I wanna search it...
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[21:57:03] <nitind> Keep typing then.
[21:57:30] <pulse00> The cursor position is displayed in the bottom of the editor, so i guess there must be an easy way to get it (at least i hope ;) )
[21:57:33] <Luyang> but I wanna search in middle of method name
[21:58:00] <cole> I'm having trouble with declarative services in my RCP app
[21:58:02] <Luyang> nitind: say I want to find all methods including getName,setName,hasName etc... so I just go obj. ('shortcut'+)Name
[21:58:17] <cole> is there a bundle I need other than org.eclispe.equinox.ds to make it work
[21:58:19] <nitind> Luyang: I know what you're saying, it just doesn't work that way.
[21:58:24] <Luyang> nitind: like control+i
[21:58:29] <Luyang> control+o even
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[21:58:50] <cole> it works if I include all target platform bundles, but not if I only have the ones in my product
[21:58:55] <Luyang> nitind: shame... sometimes I know an API has a method for something so I wanna find it via typing... also I wanna be able to search on return-types
[21:59:16] <nitind> Luyang: Then open the type and look.
[21:59:24] <Luyang> like xmlGregorianCalendar.toGregorianCalendar() should be found via search on return type XMLGregorianCalendar
[21:59:31] <Luyang> nitind: but I have to scroll no?
[21:59:38] <Yxven> How do you close empty bars on eclipse? I have 0 perspectives open but a bar is still open and only lets me dock it?
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[22:01:50] <webus> hi to all! tell me, why eclipse works bad under linux. but on windows it works so good ?
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[22:02:39] <nitind> webus: That's about as vague a question as it gets.
[22:02:47] <nitind> Luyang: Is it that hard?
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[22:03:16] <Luyang> nitind: well it would be nifty to type and find it immediately... in that way I wouldn't have to open javadoc and control+f
[22:03:40] <webus> example, when creating a project wizard. hit the next button and nothing happens ..
[22:03:59] <Luyang> nitind: that's one of the most important things in my opionion, to be able to list all methods returning String for example...
[22:04:03] <nitind> Luyang: Except what you've typed at that point isn't valid.
[22:04:08] <Luyang> but I can live without it
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[22:04:23] <Luyang> nitind: but there could be something like control+o to pop up a search box
[22:04:46] <nitind> Luyang: F3 on the type to open it and use Ctrl+O then.
[22:04:51] <Echidna> java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Cannot load 64-bit SWT libraries on 32-bit JVM
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[22:05:06] <cole> webus: there is a bug running eclipse on the latest version of gkt
[22:05:08] <Luyang> nitind: right... but I would have to use jadEclipse to get code for it then
[22:05:09] <Echidna> i'm trying to run it from 64bit eclipse running on a 64bit jvm s upposedly
[22:05:32] <Luyang> nitind: ah, it works even without code. Sweet!! thanks
[22:05:33] <nitind> Luyang: Not for the field and method names, no.
[22:05:35] <webus> <cole> any solution of this problem ?
[22:05:47] <Wizard> hmm
[22:06:04] <Wizard> how can i set up jre which will run eclipse?
[22:06:06] <Luyang> nitind: that's awesome... so I can type *fieldsuffix etc
[22:06:12] <Wizard> it does not understand JAVA_HOME
[22:06:18] <cole> webus: yes, I was just looking it up: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=287307
[22:06:19] <krbarnes> Echidna: you're launching a 32 bit vm.
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[22:06:47] <Echidna> oh hmm
[22:06:52] <cole> there's a workaround described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/443004 which is what I use
[22:06:54] <krbarnes> add the '-d64'  vm argument to use a 64 bit vm
[22:06:56] <Echidna> default jdk in my workspace was 32bit
[22:07:00] <Echidna> oh
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[22:07:06] <Echidna> i dont have to add it to my workspace?
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[22:07:22] <nitind> Echidna: That only controls what your workspace's contents are compiled/run against, not the IDE itself.
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[22:07:44] <webus> <cole> thnx!!!
[22:07:57] <Echidna> so if it compiles against a 32bit jdk, whats the point
[22:08:28] <Echidna> i'm trying to compile/run my projects as 64bit apps
[22:08:32] <nitind> The bits only matter with the VM at runtime.  The class libraries are the class libraries.  You're running Eclipse itself though, so then it matters.
[22:08:34] <Echidna> eclipse itself work sfine
[22:08:55] <cole> anyone know which bundles I need to make declarative services work in my rcp app?
[22:09:02] <nitind> Echidna: Then you need to edit your launch configuration and add the -d64 option to the VM arguments.
[22:09:54] <Echidna> nitind: ok thx
[22:10:41] <Echidna> nitind: but doesnt it compile my workspace contents as 32bit bytecode if i dont set the 64bit jdk as default?
[22:10:53] <rcjsuen> pulse00: You could ask on the forums, the Text people check the forums, they would know.
[22:11:00] <cole> nm, i figured it out, the missing bundle was org.eclipse.equinox.simpleconfigurator
[22:11:23] <nitind> Echidna: No, the class libraries are the class libraries.
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[22:14:37] <shf10105> hi, is it possible to use msvsc++ compiler within eclipse pdt? im trying to avoid the microsoft IDE, but gcc is not a choice for me. Thanks in advance
[22:15:19] <nitind> pulse00: It's the caret position on the StyledText widget in the editor.  If the text selection has a length of zero, it's generally where the caret is as well.
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[22:22:13] <Arnos> why would Eclipse recognize that a classpath exits and everything, but not be able to find the files in the classpath?
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[22:23:38] <nitind> what files?  found how?
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[22:26:05] <Arnos> I type in the import statement and I know it's finding the folders because it produces the little drop down box with suggestions
[22:26:38] <Arnos> but if I try to use a class I've just imported, it says It can't find it
[22:27:14] <Arnos> while actually it says x " cannot be resolved to a type" but I think it means the same thing
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[22:30:23] <schrottplatz> heyho
[22:31:53] <schrottplatz> i'm using ubuntu, linux and the latest eclipse version
[22:32:06] <schrottplatz> somehow i cant install plugins
[22:32:40] <schrottplatz> when i click on the finish installation button, the window simply disappears
[22:33:08] <schrottplatz> i'm trying to install subclipse
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[22:34:22] <cole> schrottplatz: there is a bug with eclipse and the latest version of gtk, check here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/443004 comment #13 has a workaround
[22:34:38] <schrottplatz> thank you :)
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[22:38:33] <schrottplatz> cole, when i now it isnt even showing up any windows :S
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[22:41:49] <cole> schrottplatz you'll need to make sure the path points to your eclipse
[22:42:05] <cole> and you might want to drop the arguments to make sure it works
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[22:42:22] <schrottplatz> cole http://pastebin.com/d492cfd2b
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[22:43:29] <cole> http://pastebin.com/m16625dbc
[22:46:21] <schrottplatz> now it closed
[22:46:29] <schrottplatz> lemme look into the log file
[22:48:40] <schrottplatz> lol
[22:48:44] <schrottplatz> gave it another try
[22:48:51] <schrottplatz> now the next button is bugged
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[22:53:30] <schrottplatz> cole, :'(
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[22:55:01] <f00bar80> I'm using httpClient with my code but i got this error "Error:HTTPClient.ProtocolNotSuppException: Unsupported protocol 'https' ", i tried to google and had no much of chance , this error at the time jsse.jar is always in jre1.5.0_15/lib also i installed jsse patch from http://java.sun.com/products/jsse/ and added it as external jar to my project.
[22:56:30] <cole> schrottplatz: sorry, not sure what the problem is
[22:56:49] <cole> a simple bash script always works for me
[22:57:02] <schrottplatz> after i have checked the packages i want to isntall, i cant klick on next
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[22:58:50] <f00bar80> any comment ???
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[23:11:34] <rcjsuen> f00bar80: What does your question have to do with Elcipse exactly
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[23:14:31] <f00bar80> rcjsuen, import the jsse to my project is through project prop -> build path -> add external jars ???
[23:15:00] <rcjsuen> That sounds about right.
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[23:16:43] <ZooGuy> Greetings.  Does anyone know how to launch a Java project "Run Configuration" from the command line?  Do I invoke org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main?
[23:17:21] <rcjsuen> ~tell ZooGuy about debug-command
[23:17:22] <Arbalest> ZooGuy: Need to find out what the command line invocation was for a process launched by Eclipse? See here - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Graphical_Eclipse_FAQs#How_do_I_check_for_the_command_line_invocation_that_Eclipse_used_to_launch_an_application.3F
[23:17:41] <ZooGuy> Arbalest:  Ah, I need this to change any time I alter the run configuration.
[23:18:12] <rcjsuen> you can't just run launch configs from the command line, no
[23:18:14] <ZooGuy> rcjsuen: I know I can pull a command line out manually and save it as a batch/shell script, but I'd like to be able to just launch a headless eclipse
[23:18:25] <ZooGuy> like I do for updating jars, or running ant scripts
[23:18:30] <ZooGuy> *updating plugins
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[23:26:04] <pulse00> hi again. could anyone give me a hint how i can search for a file in a project programmatically ?
[23:26:21] <rcjsuen> You mean a text search?
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[23:26:40] <pulse00> no, i would like to open a specific file with the default editor
[23:26:48] <rcjsuen> if you just mean open an editor
[23:26:53] <pulse00> yep
[23:26:54] <rcjsuen> then IWorkbenchPage/IDE defines openEditor methods
[23:27:01] <pulse00> thanks a lot
[23:28:12] <pulse00> ahm, no sorry, i meant i would like to search for all files called "foo.txt" in the current project.
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[23:28:34] <pulse00> and then open one of them depending on it's IPath
[23:29:03] <rcjsuen> THen i'd just use the visitor pattern for the IProject i guess
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[23:29:21] <_j4zz_> hello all
[23:29:36] <pulse00> rcjsuen, thanks
[23:29:48] <_j4zz_> I need some JARs in my plugin, where do I place them?
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[23:31:16] <rcjsuen> _j4zz_: in their own bundles or in your bundle, i guess
[23:32:04] <_j4zz_> oh
[23:32:15] <_j4zz_> so I have to make a bundle out of each jar ?
[23:32:34] <rcjsuen> well, i put an "or" in my sentence
[23:32:56] <_j4zz_> in my bundle, as in a 'lib' dir?
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[23:33:33] <rcjsuen> Doesn't technicalyl amtter what you call this folder
[23:33:56] <_j4zz_> hmm
[23:34:08] <_j4zz_> my plugin has two parts: ui and core
[23:34:18] <_j4zz_> these are a pde project and a plain java project
[23:35:02] <_j4zz_> so, this would mean I have to wrap the 'core' in a bundle, and have the ui reference it ?
[23:36:13] <rcjsuen> That sounds about right.
[23:36:39] <_j4zz_> my core is not really a plugin, so I guess there shouldnt be a plugin.xml for it ?
[23:37:06] <rcjsuen> No, that file is not a requirement.
[23:37:38] <_j4zz_> thanks, will try :-)
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[23:39:46] <_j4zz_> btw, what class should this dummy activator extend?
[23:40:05] <_j4zz_> it doesn't sound right to extend AbstractUIPlugin
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[23:41:11] <rcjsuen> not all bundles need an activator
[23:41:24] <_j4zz_> oh, even better :-)
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[23:46:25] <_j4zz_> I get ClassNotFound when referencing classes in bundle 'core' from within the plugin/bundle 'ui'
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[23:47:13] <rcjsuen> the ~dev-faq should outline the steps i think tho it might be outdated
[23:47:14] <_j4zz_> as if the bundle wasn't installed to the runtime registry
[23:47:14] <Arbalest> Writing Eclipse plug-ins / RCP apps and don't know where to turn? See these FAQs - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Plug-in_Development_FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/The_Official_Eclipse_FAQs - http://wiki.eclipse.org/RCP_FAQ / Or look at EclipseCon talks/tutorials - http://www.eclipsecon.org/
[23:48:16] <_j4zz_> is there a place that this 'core' bundle be added/referenced othen than in the manifest.mf of the UI bundle?
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