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[00:00:32] <diogo_79> what is qt
[00:00:35] <diogo_79> ?
[00:01:02] <rcjsuen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28toolkit%29
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[00:02:48] <diogo_79> man this is good
[00:07:47] <diogo_79> how can i install this in eclipse?
[00:07:56] <diogo_79> i have eclipse 3.5 with cdt
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[00:16:48] <gioele> EGit: I cannot install the plugin using the update manager: it get stuck after the first 10% of the "Install" task, no information is shown. The does not show anything about EGit. Is this a known issue?
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[01:07:48] <stou> hello
[01:08:39] <stou> I am getting: "Save Failed, Compilation unit name must end with .java or one of the registered Java-like extensions" when trying to save a Python file... in a PyDev project... nothing what so ever to do with Java.
[01:09:06] <stou> The error log reports the error coming from 'org.eclipse.ui'
[01:09:12] <stou> and there is no stack trace or anything like that
[01:09:22] <stou> this is on Eclipse 3.5
[01:11:41] <rcjsuen> What if you try in a new workspace
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[01:12:24] <stou> rcjsuen: it's random it only does it for certain files in my existing project... and only sometimes.  It does save the file but throws the error and leaves the '*' in the file title
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[02:57:49] <carranca> Hi, im using the maven plugin for eclipse, and i added the WTP connection for it. When i try to run a project as a server i get the 404 page not found error. How can i know if eclipse is deploying my application?
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[03:27:44] <debio264> what's the recommended way to allow a CDT project to build on both Linux and Windows
[03:27:45] <debio264> ?
[03:28:10] <debio264> should I just create multiple build configurations?
[03:28:33] <debio264> like Windows Debug, Windows Release, Linux Debug, and Linux Release?
[03:28:37] <debio264> or is there a simpler way?
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[04:07:56] <MGrim> hey, im creating a JSF2 application with eclipse and everything builds just fine... for some reason the web pages cannot find my bean anywhere... how can i make sure that this is available to the application?
[04:11:33] <MGrim> i dont think its deploying properly
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[04:24:47] <Mr_Grim> ugh
[04:24:55] <Mr_Grim> how do I build for deployment?
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[04:50:16] <lepine> Can anyone confirm something? Ubuntu, Gallileo for PHP devs, SUN JRE 6, All the toolbar menus contain no icons.
[04:51:40] <[-jon-]_> I'm sorry but this is probably a retarded question
[04:51:53] <[-jon-]_> I installed eclipse a few eeks ago, and wanted to use it again. Shouldnt the binary be in the root folder?
[04:51:59] <[-jon-]_> err the executable rather
[04:52:49] <lepine> root folder of what? your system? no
[04:53:03] <[-jon-]_> hmm
[04:53:07] <[-jon-]_> I meant of the program
[04:53:08] <lepine> It can be anywhere, so long as it remains in the root of the eclipse folder
[04:53:11] <[-jon-]_> It's in the rar, but I must not have copied it before
[04:53:33] <lepine> well yes, you need to extract the whole folder onto somewhere on you system
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[04:53:43] <[-jon-]_> I dont know how I ran it before, but whatever
[04:54:31] <lepine> extract, navigate to where and execute. as simple as it gets :)\
[04:54:39] <[-jon-]_> I must have just ran it right from winrar before
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[04:54:45] <[-jon-]_> I'm sorry, I'm usually not this retarded
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[04:56:47] <lepine> I'm also having trouble installing subversive, clicking next doesn't do anything. Finish is greyed out.
[04:57:28] <Mr_Grim> id like to know how the hell launch my web application properly
[04:57:34] <Mr_Grim> nothing can see my java beans
[04:57:36] <Mr_Grim> this is retarted
[04:57:37] <[-jon-]_> I use eclipse for school, and it'd be nice to be able to have them both in sync. I have scp access to my homr directory, but is there any way to sync them?
[04:58:05] <lepine> Also, I by default don't see any optional software available. I have to type something in search, then delete the search param to see the hierarchy of avail. softwrae.
[04:58:32] <lepine> I can't install any extra plugins apparently/
[04:58:46] <lepine> [-jon-]_: you can look into subversion
[04:58:53] <lepine> it's source management
[04:59:09] <lepine> so, it lets you sync source code between multiple coders/stations
[04:59:19] <lepine> with the added benefit of versionning + branching etc ...
[04:59:42] <[-jon-]_> if I just rsync my workspace folder would that do it?
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[04:59:48] <lepine> alright, fsck it ... reverting to 8.10
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[05:18:25] <debio264> lepine: I installed Eclipse through apt-get on Karmic, and everything was fine
[05:18:32] <debio264> but I think I'm on OpenJDK, not Sun's
[05:18:42] <lepine> ok ... is it 3.2?!?
[05:19:06] <lepine> or have they finlly managed to get a non-fossilized version of eclipse?
[05:21:53] <debio264> no
[05:21:56] <debio264> Karmic has 3.5
[05:21:59] <lepine> wow!!!
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[05:22:25] <debio264> it'll probably appear in Jaunty-backports pretty soon if it hasn't already
[05:25:22] <vinay_> hi everyone.  I'm using a preprocessor with my C++ sources, which confuses the CDT parser/indexer a bit.  I can easily fix this if I could pass run a little program on the raw source file before the indexer indexes it.  Does anyone have any pointers on how to do that?
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[05:44:46] <lgbr> I downloaded jetty 7, and then got the latest jetty server adpator and installed it. However, when I try to start my app I get "java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/mortbay/start/Main", and when I go to project properties, then to targeted runtimes and I add jetty as a targeted runtime, it refuses to appear in the list of possible targeted runtimes. What am I doing wrong?
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[05:52:10] <dannytran> hey all ... trying to specify which JavaVM to use and it doesn't seem to matter
[05:52:30] <dannytran> i still keep getting JVM Terminated error popup
[05:52:44] <dannytran> showing -vm /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework
[05:52:59] <dannytran> when i've been specifying /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5/Commands/java
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[06:20:21] <rpaddock> I had to uninstall/reinstall java on my ubuntu system, and now eclipse can't find the base java library.. where can I reset that?
[06:36:36] <dannytran> rpaddock:  can you try -vm /path/to/JavaVM ?
[06:36:43] <dannytran> i tried that but it's not working for me
[06:36:52] <dannytran> but thought i'd suggest it anyway
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[06:38:42] <mattyohe> Hello. Is anyone around that may be able to test ECF over google talk servers with me? I just want to test that real time editing "works"
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[11:16:23] <spawnyd> hi! Any idea to generate/export/.. an eclipse run configuration to an Ant/shell/.. script?
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[11:30:12] <philk__> the user should be able to edit data of a table view. What should be used to edit data? An editor or the properties view?
[11:30:49] <philk__> The editor would need an editor area which would clutter up the interface, cause editors can for some reason not dock with views.
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[11:32:19] <[diablo]> good morning #eclipse
[11:33:38] <[diablo]> Guys, we are looking for recommended plugins to use for deploying binarys built in eclipse with gcc, to a remove server (scp would be nice), and also remotely debug using gdb and gdbserver... any recommendations please?
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[11:41:58] <aksn> hi all
[11:43:22] <aksn> in a eclipse Java editor, when I put my mouse on a class, object, or method, it shows me a tooltip with the type and so on. I've been searching in editor's options, but I can't find the way to disable it. any help? thanks
[11:46:51] <paulweb515_> aksn: it's in the preferences under Java>Editor
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[11:48:45] <paulweb515_> Probably Hover
[11:50:40] <aksn> paulweb515, that's it, it's "Combined Hover" thanks a lot!
[11:53:08] <aksn> it was very annoying for me to see such a big tooltip covering my code, I've enabled it with the Ctrl key, now it's much better :)
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[12:07:42] <[diablo]> anyone please?
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[12:35:02] <nullPlan> hi
[12:36:15] <nullPlan> is it possible to bind a toolbar to a specific perspective using the plugin.xml ?
[12:37:23] <nullPlan> for a view you use toolbar:com.something.viewid in the menucontribution - is there something similiar for the perspective?
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[13:41:11] <rcjsuen> [-jon-]_: I would not synchronize two workspaces between two computers (school and home) myself.
[13:42:02] <rcjsuen> dannytran: how are you specifying the path exactly
[13:42:31] <dannytran> rcjsuen: i tried running it from the command line .... eclipse -vm /path/to/java
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[13:43:48] <rcjsuen> mattyohe: fyi you can only share one file at a time
[13:43:57] <rcjsuen> dannytran: try editing the eclipse.app and modifying its properties there
[13:44:14] <dannytran> i tried that too ... modified Info.plist
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[13:44:38] <rcjsuen> philk__: use a view that implements saveable part then (instead of an editor)
[13:45:56] <philk__> rcjsuen: I just wonder when to use an editor anyway when there are no files to edit (with a lot of text). But basically its just database objects here that you can edit to some grade
[13:45:59] <bigmack83_> i installed eclipse 3.5 under ubuntu, and it seems that i am unable to click most ok/cancel dialog box buttons. once i click them i can hit [enter] to depress the button. is this a known problem?
[13:46:18] <rcjsuen> well editors need reserved space (as you mentioned)
[13:46:23] <rcjsuen> bigmack83_: see faq in topic
[13:50:46] <bigmack83_> rcjsuen, ok thanks. looking now. sorry if this isnt the right area to post questions.
[13:51:02] <rcjsuen> bigmack83_: It is the right area.
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[13:55:50] <MaL0> hi
[14:00:05] <rcjsuen> bigmack83_: Any luck?
[14:01:03] <bigmack83_> oh, i was still reading some other installation notes to make sure i didnt miss something. ill try it now
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[14:01:49] <bigmack83_> but wouldnt setting export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=true be an issue in linux?
[14:05:40] <bigmack83_> rcjsuen, but no it didnt work
[14:07:48] <bigmack83_> well the only thing i can think of it that the only way i was able to get eclipse was to install the official ubuntu copy from the repos, then remove the ubuntu copy (as it is an older version) then i would get my downloaded copy to run. but i could only ever get it to work while on the open jdk software and not the sun jdk
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[14:13:12] <rcjsuen> bigmack83_: you're on Karmic, right
[14:13:22] <bigmack83_> yea
[14:13:31] <rcjsuen> bigmack83_: and it's issue for SWT applications anyway, I don't know if there are general gtk+ apps with the problem
[14:13:42] <bigmack83_> just upgraded. had the same issue in jaunty
[14:13:50] <rcjsuen> bigmack83_: were you using gtk 2.17 / 2.18?
[14:14:08] <rcjsuen> if you are the workaround should work, it's worked for countless other ppl and countless other ppl have filed bugs (which have been marked as duplicates)
[14:14:27] <Echidna> rcjsuen: as of today, my rcp apps show items on the coolbar from plugins that i dont really use, like the java search button
[14:14:32] <Echidna> any idea why?
[14:14:54] <rcjsuen> Echidna: so you go into work, you run your launch config, today it's weird?
[14:15:55] <Echidna> yea =/
[14:16:15] <rcjsuen> try wiping your target workspace i guess
[14:16:16] <rcjsuen> *shrugs*
[14:17:09] <bigmack83_> rcjsuen, honestly im not sure. im still somewhat new to linux. is there a command to find the version?
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[14:17:28] <rcjsuen> bigmack83_: I don't use Ubuntu, sorry. You could ask in #ubuntu I guess. Or someone here might kno the command to run
[14:17:39] <rcjsuen> or the UI to look at, or whatever
[14:17:42] <rcjsuen> anyway karmic is 2.18.x
[14:17:59] <bayo_O> is anybody can display me the FAQ url? my irc client suuuck
[14:18:03] <Echidna> ubuntu has eclipse 3.2 in their rep
[14:18:06] <Echidna> heh
[14:18:26] <rcjsuen> bayo_O: http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ
[14:18:36] <bayo_O> thanks a lot :)
[14:20:02] <bigmack83_> rcjsuen, i have 2.18.3
[14:20:28] <rcjsuen> perhaps we should start from scratch
[14:20:29] <rcjsuen> you export the var
[14:20:31] <rcjsuen> then what do you do
[14:20:48] <bigmack83_> once i do that i just start up eclipse
[14:21:11] <rcjsuen> Details, how
[14:22:39] <Echidna> rcjsuen: this one app i hadnt used in a while started with no extra items in the coolbar, until i clicked on "add required plugins" in the run config
[14:22:41] <bigmack83_> i have an icon that runs the command: eclipse which i have added to my binary list, which is just a shortcut to /home/smcelroy/eclipse/eclipse
[14:23:15] <rcjsuen> Echidna: Dunno, new requirements maybe or new dependencies I guess?
[14:23:28] <bigmack83_> so its just the same as running the eclipse executable directly
[14:24:56] <rcjsuen> bigmack83_: Run the executable from the terminal.
[14:25:36] <rcjsuen> The _same_ terminal that you exported the environment variable, as outlined in the Q&A.
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[14:28:18] <bigmack83_> yea. theres no extra output. i just browse to the eclipse directory and run: ./eclipse and it starts. no output other than just that its opening, which is next to nothing. and it doesnt seem to take any arguments such as -vv to show extra debug info
[14:28:53] <rcjsuen> You mean when you run from the command line it hangs and doesn't finish starting?
[14:29:49] <bigmack83_> no it starts fine. just no output on what its doing in the cli. its always done that
[14:30:14] <rcjsuen> There should not be output. I am interested in whether the terminal-started Eclipse has the button problems or not.
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[14:34:12] <bigmack83_> rcjsuen, yea the buttons seem to work this way
[14:34:23] <rcjsuen> okay, then that confirms and verifies the problem
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[14:36:31] <bigmack83_> yea it does, even making the icon run the app directly does the same thing.
[14:39:07] <bigmack83_> well it seems like i should be starting it from the cli from now on. sucks but meh,
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[14:40:07] <Steve973> hey, is this the right place to ask a Dali question?
[14:40:44] <rcjsuen> bigmack83_: It's a matter of setting environment variables for your user (or globally if you wish?) and having your login pick those up so they get applied. I'll let you try and figure that out.
[14:41:12] <rcjsuen> Steve973: You could try, though the forums might be a better place.
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[14:41:20] <bigmack83_> yea i know how to set that up. thanks for the help
[14:41:42] <Steve973> I've generated JPA annotated entities from tables in my database.  On the entities that have a many-to-one relationship with another entity, the generator (in Eclipse) did not create an ID field, and it is complaining that the entity has no id or embeddedid
[14:42:36] <spawnyd> hi! Any idea to generate/export/.. an eclipse run configuration to an Ant/shell/.. script?
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[14:46:23] <paulweb515> spawnyd: there isn't, AFAIK.  You can go to the debug view and pick your process properties.  That will give you the full command line of the last launch
[14:47:49] <spawnyd> paulweb515: ty that's enough for my use case.
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[15:09:38] <Echidna> dammit
[15:10:08] <Echidna> for some reason it considers instantiations' designer plugins "required" and adds them to the run config
[15:10:20] <Echidna> along with all the stuff that adds the unnecessary menu items
[15:10:29] <Echidna> didnt do that before
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[15:20:14] <rcjsuen> Echidna: why don't you click the 'Validate' button on that page
[15:20:22] <rcjsuen> Echidna: might provide some info (as to the deps and requirements)
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[15:32:37] <Echidna> rcjsuen: nothing really requires com.instantiations.* but it auto-adds them anyway
[15:32:44] <Echidna> if i removed them manually, it still work
[15:32:45] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[15:32:50] <rcjsuen> Maybe it attached themselves as fragments or something
[15:32:53] <rcjsuen> can't really say, sorry
[15:33:02] <Echidna> sand the checkbox that imports optional dependencies is unchecked
[15:33:06] <Echidna> ok thx anyway
[15:33:13] <Echidna> and*
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[15:42:40] <Baivan> how long does it usualy takes for eclipse to build under freebsd?
[15:42:51] <Baivan> im using 1,8Ghz Pentium M
[15:43:06] <paulweb515> Baivan: build in what way?  You mean fro a srcBuild ?
[15:43:15] <Baivan> yeas
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[15:43:30] <rcjsuen> Baivan: When I built 3.2.x on a Gentoo 1.6Ghz Pentium M took me like 3-60 minutes I think.
[15:43:33] <rcjsuen> er
[15:43:34] <rcjsuen> 30-60 ;)
[15:43:59] <paulweb515> these days I would expect a full build of eclipse to take 60-90 minutes
[15:44:36] <Baivan> its building already an hour,so i quess it will be done soon
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[15:46:27] <philk__> I wonder if in e4 editors and views will be able to share the same space?
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[15:46:41] <rcjsuen> well in e4 we have "part" right now
[15:46:47] <rcjsuen> so if you have a part container
[15:46:51] <rcjsuen> you could have them in the same stack
[15:46:55] <rcjsuen> so yes
[15:46:55] <heshan> what is he SVN addon for Ubuntu?
[15:47:07] <rcjsuen> heshan: Ubuntu? You mean for Eclipse?
[15:47:16] <jham> someone experienced with GMF? In properties of a Diagram Element i have a dropdown list (resulting from a 1..1 reference in metamodel). how could i make the selected value appear in the diagramm element (maybe as label or even as automatically added figure to its compartment)?
[15:47:27] <rcjsuen> View extends Part, Editor extends Part, similar to current 3.x model except Part is a real thing now
[15:48:08] <heshan> rcjsuen: I got one but its only for Win32
[15:48:22] <rcjsuen> i know ppl that use ~svn plug-ins in Linux anyway
[15:48:23] <Arbalest> For Subversion support, try Subclipse (http://subclipse.tigris.org/) or Subversive (http://www.eclipse.org/subversive/). Don't ask us which is better. Some of us use Subclipse, some of us use Subversive.
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[15:48:44] <jham> heshan: rapidsvn
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[15:48:58] <jham> heshan: or do you mean one for use in eclipse?
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[15:49:15] <heshan> jham: yeah, eclipse plugin
[15:49:45] <jham> heshan: then it doesn't differ from windows, i think: subclipse or subversive(iirc)
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[16:00:30] <Echidna> how does the automatic enabling of mouse scrolling work when hovering the cursor over a view?
[16:00:56] <Echidna> i did via a listener with setFocus() but in eclise IDE the views dont really get focused, do they?
[16:01:02] <Echidna> +p
[16:01:57] <rcjsuen> read the api/javadoc for setFocus()
[16:02:11] <rcjsuen> >>> "Clients should not call this method"
[16:02:41] <philk__> hmmm I have this jna bundle in my eclipse target. But i cannot use any classes of it. It seems the bundle classpath is broken. some SVN teamprovider seems tho use it though, so I wonder why they do not have problems with it but my code has?
[16:03:35] <Echidna> rcjsuen: well how is it done properly?
[16:03:49] <Echidna> i coulnt find the appropriate source classes
[16:03:57] <rcjsuen> I'm not even sure what you mean by auto scrolling over a view
[16:04:07] <rcjsuen> that would only work on gtk+
[16:04:44] <Echidna> well e.g. if i move the cursor over the package explorer and turn the wheel, it scrolls down
[16:05:01] <Echidna> then i move it to the editor and move the wheel and the editor scrolls
[16:05:08] <Echidna> (on windows)
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[16:05:26] <philk__> so the com.sun.jna_3.1.0.jar contains a jna.jar and its Manifest contains Bundle-ClassPath: jna.jar   so far so good. But it seems that the Eclipse java compiler cannot accss the classes it exports anyway. Which it could when the bundle was unpacked in its previous version. Any ideas?
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[16:06:14] <rcjsuen> Echidna: that doesn't work for me on xp
[16:06:18] <Echidna> weird
[16:06:45] <rcjsuen> anyway that is an OS behaviour
[16:07:05] <rcjsuen> if i move my mouse to another part and scroll, the active part scrolls, not the hovered-over-part
[16:07:09] <Echidna> then i need to enable it for my scrolledcomposites somewhow
[16:07:12] <rcjsuen> on Linux at home this isn't case, but anyway
[16:07:15] <Echidna> because i have to do it manually via setfocus atm
[16:08:13] <rcjsuen> anyway, granting focus is usually done by the activate method
[16:08:20] <rcjsuen> but it sounds like you don't wanna actually activate the part
[16:08:51] <Echidna> yea
[16:08:58] <Echidna> well
[16:09:28] <Echidna> before i had this mouseenter listener, i had to call setFocus() manually on the scrolledcomposites for mouse scrolling to work period
[16:09:37] <Echidna> even after clicking into it
[16:10:13] <rcjsuen> o sorry
[16:10:18] <rcjsuen> were you talking about Control's setFocus() method?
[16:10:23] <rcjsuen> i thot you were referring to IWorkbenchPart's
[16:10:34] <rcjsuen> you can call Control's
[16:10:38] <rcjsuen> but you shouldn't call IWorkbenchPart's
[16:11:02] <Echidna> ic
[16:11:09] <Echidna> hold on
[16:11:25] <Echidna> which are instance so of IWorkbenchPart?
[16:11:26] <Echidna> views?
[16:11:41] <rcjsuen> yeah a view is a part
[16:12:06] <Echidna> ok
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[16:21:35] <philk__> its a real pain that PDE does not support a feature based run config
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[16:28:50] <Cinguh> how do I set the path veriable on windows 7 x64
[16:29:39] <Echidna> same as xp and vista?
[16:30:22] <Echidna> system settings -> advanced system settings -> environment variables
[16:30:38] <Cinguh> thanks
[16:31:36] <Echidna> rcjsuen: so any idea how scrolling works by hovering over the control in eclipse ide w/o setting the focus?
[16:32:00] <nitind> Echidna: I think it's related to the mouse driver.
[16:32:02] <Echidna> or does setting the focus to a control not automatically give focus to its part?
[16:32:18] <Echidna> nitind: well it is the same system
[16:32:22] <Echidna> eclipse ide does that
[16:32:25] <Echidna> my application doesnt
[16:32:34] <Echidna> unless i use a listener and set the focus manually
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[16:43:35] <Echidna> hmm
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[16:43:56] <Echidna> ok i found the problem with com.instantiations.* plugins being required by my apps
[16:44:20] <Echidna> some plugins used imported packages (those whose originating plugin isnt specified)
[16:44:33] <Echidna> namely eclipse.ui and jface
[16:44:38] <Echidna> and it pulled them out of instantiations
[16:44:50] <Echidna> is it generally a bad idea to import packages that way?
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[17:11:43] <fadein> I have a question that's been nagging me for a long time.  When I'm running a task in the background, there is an icon in the lower right corner of the window, which when clicked, shows bacgrounded operations in the Progress view.  What is that icon supposed to be?  It has three tick marks on top and a yellow circle in the middle.  Nobody I talk to can tell me what it is.
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[17:33:16] <Steve973> If I'm making a web application, does it make sense to create a JPA project for my persistence layer?
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[17:39:33] <Steve973> maybe a better question is "what is the intent or usefulness of an eclipse jpa project?"
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[17:55:20] <trakinas> hi guys! Im using ganymede and out of nowhere everytime I start the ide it says it can not initialize the server view due to an out of range for string index. how to fix it? can't find anything related.
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[18:02:03] <Poundo> Any Aptana users around, I am just starting with eclipse plugin of aptana studio and following the instructions in help for locating the sync manager and it is not in the Aptana views folder of show view
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[18:35:48] <multiHYP> hey guys
[18:36:01] <multiHYP> doing the xml parsing using sax and w3c's dom
[18:36:27] <multiHYP> what / how am i going about a nodelist that is nested inside another nodelist?
[18:37:03] <multiHYP> or a nodelist that has multiple of a certain node and some other different nodes?
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[18:39:36] <paulweb515> multiHYP: sax and dom?  You usually pick a dom parser or sax parser
[18:40:05] <Steve973> multiHYP, you using java?
[18:40:12] <multiHYP> yes
[18:40:21] <Steve973> you have a xsd for this?
[18:40:22] <multiHYP> sax parser
[18:40:26] <multiHYP> nop
[18:40:36] <Steve973> can you either write one or infer one?
[18:40:39] <multiHYP> why xsd?
[18:40:41] <Steve973> if so, jaxb will handle this just fine
[18:40:44] <paulweb515> fadein: it's the Progress icon ... as for what it is, my guess is a tread or conveyor belt
[18:41:08] <multiHYP> no, its just a flat .obj file i try to form into xml file
[18:41:16] <multiHYP> used to describe 3d objects
[18:41:28] <paulweb515> multiHYP: for in the sax case, you'll find out inner nodes when you parse them, no?  It doesn't build a document with the notion of a DOM
[18:41:31] <Steve973> well see if you can come up wiht a schema or even a dtd
[18:41:37] <Steve973> and jaxb will be your good friend :)
[18:42:05] <multiHYP> yes, i was going to do the dtd first, but my dtd knowledge is couple of years old....
[18:42:08] <multiHYP> needs revision
[18:42:14] <multiHYP> nevermind that though
[18:42:47] <multiHYP> <NL><N /><N /><N /><A /><B /></NL>
[18:42:50] <neptun123> hi, how do configure eclpse to use a custom doclet? where can set the doclet path?
[18:42:52] <multiHYP> consider this inside the root node
[18:43:09] <multiHYP> i have difficulty getting to <N /> and <A /> and <B />
[18:43:27] <multiHYP> now there are even many <NL> nodes
[18:43:34] <multiHYP> so hence NL is a nodelist
[18:43:44] <multiHYP> but in this case N is a nodelist as well, isn't it?
[18:45:33] <multiHYP> anyways if anyone comes across a sophisticated xml parsing example online please do let me know...
[18:45:47] <fadein> paulweb515: thx for the guess.  my guess was along those lines, too
[18:46:16] <rcjsuen> Wouldn't you just look for N A B by recursion and matching on element name?
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[18:47:20] <multiHYP> oh g
[18:47:36] <multiHYP> rcjsuen: so should i take NL and cast it as Element then?
[18:47:49] <paulweb515> multiHYP: and the N's you've listed there are empty, containing no elements (or was that just for shorthand)
[18:48:00] <multiHYP> no shorthand
[18:48:05] <multiHYP> they contain numbers
[18:48:38] <multiHYP> honestly i don't want to write a dtd for it, because i won't ever check the xmls for validity anyway
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[18:49:51] <paulweb515> multiHYP: I'm not sure what you are doing ... you say SAX and you say NodeList/Element (DOM).  You usually can only do one or the other
[18:50:34] <d_a_carver> multiHYP: are you just trying to get specific nodes?
[18:50:48] <multiHYP> well, the Node and NodeList are from sax library, but there are saxExceptions and Parsing Exceptions so, i donno if you used it like this...
[18:50:55] <multiHYP> yes
[18:51:00] <multiHYP> @d_a_carver
[18:51:11] <multiHYP> but the node is nested inside another
[18:51:28] <multiHYP> the nesting is more convoluted that simple examples that are online, hence the headache
[18:51:35] <Steve973> if you unmarshal the xml into objects, traversal is as easy as java.
[18:51:59] <d_a_carver> multiHYP: easiest way may be to just use XPath.   /node1/node2 would retrieve the node2 from the XML document.
[18:52:15] <multiHYP> oh g, thanks d_a_carver
[18:52:28] <multiHYP> i didn't know that, is that working cross platform?
[18:52:43] <multiHYP> i.e. / in linux/unix and \ must be in windows etc?
[18:52:46] <d_a_carver> multiHYP: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-javaxpathapi.html
[18:53:16] <d_a_carver> multiHYP: Yes, XPath works across platforms, and Java includes an XPath 1.0 processor through Xalan.
[18:53:25] <multiHYP> no, come on
[18:53:29] <multiHYP> i don't use xpath
[18:53:46] <multiHYP> i said sax and dom, i already did it halfway there
[18:54:07] <d_a_carver> multiHYP: yeah, well, just saying you could do what you want in probably 10 lines of code.
[18:54:18] <multiHYP> i know is so easy
[18:54:20] <Steve973> don't be married to code, multiHYP
[18:54:27] <multiHYP> g xpath is intriging
[18:54:33] <Steve973> don't be afraid to scrap and redo!
[18:54:45] <Steve973> have any of you done JPA projects in eclipse?
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[18:55:58] <rcjsuen> d_a_carver: lol
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[18:58:22] <multiHYP> I need some good example with w3c.dom parsers that goes more than 1 level into an xml tree...
[18:58:38] <multiHYP> that would work perfectly if somebody knows where to find such thing
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[19:00:48] <Steve973> just create a dtd and unmarshal to objects.  quite simple.
[19:01:05] <d_a_carver> multiHYP: use hasChildren method to detect if the node has child nodes.
[19:01:26] <multiHYP> Steve973: i don't even understand what you mean
[19:01:28] <d_a_carver> multiHYP: you can then get a NodelList of using getChildren()
[19:01:37] * rcjsuen personally doesn't even fully understand what multiHYP is having trouble with at the moment.
[19:01:38] <multiHYP> oh ok
[19:01:46] <Steve973> multiHYP, so if you have an xsd or dtd, jaxb will create objects for you
[19:01:49] <multiHYP> but d_a_carver i can't get NodeList of a NodeList!
[19:02:03] <multiHYP> :(
[19:02:05] <Steve973> then you give jaxb your xml and it populates the object graph with the xml data
[19:02:07] <rcjsuen> Eh?
[19:02:09] <Steve973> and it is completely navigable
[19:02:13] <d_a_carver> multiHYP: You need to Navigate your NodeList, and then cast to a Node for each of the elements in the Nodelist.
[19:02:37] <d_a_carver> then check to see if that has Children, etc...you have to walk the DOM tree if you are set on using DOM.
[19:02:47] <multiHYP> ok so casting nodelist to node is what i was missing...?
[19:02:51] <Steve973> d_a_carver, good point
[19:02:51] * d_a_carver shudders at JAXB.
[19:03:01] <Steve973> d_a_carver, why?
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[19:03:24] <Steve973> d_a_carver, have you really used it?
[19:03:27] <multiHYP> yeah, Steve973 i am not familiar with jaxb but doesn't sound appealing either...
[19:03:31] <d_a_carver> multiHYP: http://www.w3schools.com/Dom/dom_nodes_nodelist.asp
[19:03:51] <multiHYP> d_a_carver: thanks that looks good
[19:03:58] <d_a_carver> Steve973: Yes...I work for an XML standards org.  www.starstandard.org
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[19:04:12] <Steve973> and why don't you like jaxb?
[19:04:23] <d_a_carver> Steve973: I'm not a fan of XML Data Binding in general.
[19:05:11] <Steve973> so that's just a restatement of your premise.  I was wondering why you don't like it
[19:05:19] <d_a_carver> Steve973: mainly because I see so many people that use JAXB, XML Beans, etc...and still produce invalid XML instances because they think just because they bound from a DTD to a schema that it produces it right.
[19:05:40] <Steve973> well he doesn't seem to want to use a well-formed xsd
[19:05:43] <Steve973> i prefer to use xsd
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[19:06:50] <d_a_carver> In many cases, XQuery, XSLT, or even XPath can be quicker.  The other reason that I don't like data binding with XML is that people don't put an interface layer between their application and the code that is generated from the schema.  So if changes to the schema occur, there code is tightly coupled with it.
[19:07:01] <multiHYP> guys its a bloody data format, i don't want to make a industry standard out of this <<<
[19:07:22] <multiHYP> thats why i don't even bother with dtd...
[19:07:31] <Steve973> d_a_carver, that's true, but it's hard to decouple your app from your data!
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[19:07:59] <d_a_carver> Steve973: but you can decouple it from the format of the data.
[19:08:17] <d_a_carver> multiHYP: You want to go through the W3C schools DOM Tutorial; http://www.w3schools.com/Dom/
[19:08:28] <d_a_carver> it'll answer most of your questions and problems your are running into.
[19:08:33] <multiHYP> ok d_a_carver i ended up doing the reverse which is bad, casting Node as Nodelist
[19:08:48] <Steve973> true.  facade pattern eases that.
[19:09:22] <multiHYP> ok thanks everybody, if it takes more than couple of hours to solve this, ill be back :)
[19:09:28] <d_a_carver> Steve973: agreed...but how many times do people just use the JAXB classes directly and then pay the price latter when the schema changes.
[19:09:56] <Steve973> well if the schema changes, you have changes to make somewhere, regardless of where
[19:10:30] <d_a_carver> steve973 true...but how hard those changes are, depends on how tightly coupled your code is.
[19:11:05] <d_a_carver> Steve973: Also I wouldn't want to data bind a 50 meg XML file.
[19:11:20] <Steve973> yeah it can be slow :)
[19:11:46] <Steve973> i'm actually doing that now
[19:12:09] <d_a_carver> steve973: data binding is fine as long as your instances are small...the stuff I deal with..some of those messages can get up to 500meg to a gig (i.e. PriceLists, PartsMasters, etc).
[19:12:44] <Steve973> the xsd that I'm using is rather nasty
[19:13:05] <Steve973> easier for me to iterate over lists and stuff
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[19:13:22] <Steve973> i would like a quicker solution but I like the code simplicity that I get with jaxb
[19:13:24] <d_a_carver> yeah there are some horribly designed xsds out there.
[19:13:58] <d_a_carver> depending on your needs check xquery out and an XML database like exist.
[19:14:01] <Steve973> what is your tool of choice?  I'm open to suggestions
[19:14:07] <d_a_carver> see above
[19:14:11] <Steve973> you beat me to it
[19:14:25] <Steve973> i'll definitely take a look at those
[19:14:46] <Steve973> it would be great to ingest a big xml document into an xml database
[19:15:11] <d_a_carver> Yep, then you can write SQL like statements against it and only pull update pieces you need.
[19:15:31] <d_a_carver> plus you can make the xqueries into RESTful web services as well to be reused.
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[19:16:48] <d_a_carver> and of course Eclipse has an XQuery plugin project as well..http://wiki.eclipse.org/XQDT
[19:16:49] <Steve973> thanks, we'll look into that
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[19:32:54] <multiHYP> guys my code was correct from the beginning, but i don't know why it never printed out the <Node>2</Node> I had when I called the e.getNodeValue()!
[19:33:25] <multiHYP> it does when i look for attributes and have the number as an attribute but as digit inside my Node it never returns the values!!!
[19:33:38] <nitind> multiHYP: Is the value 2 in that case, or the Node node?
[19:33:52] <nitind> multiHYP: That's not what Node.getNodeValue() is specified to do.
[19:34:01] <nitind> is it?
[19:34:02] <multiHYP> lets say you have a <Node>2</Node>
[19:34:22] <multiHYP> to get 2 i do everything right, but it never returns 2
[19:34:38] <multiHYP> no actually element.getNodeValue()
[19:34:41] <nitind> Because 2 is the value of the Text Node that's a *child* of your "Node" Element.
[19:35:13] <multiHYP> cast that node as element then it doesn't return 2
[19:35:18] <multiHYP> no wonder actually
[19:35:27] <multiHYP> but once casted i can't go back
[19:35:30] <multiHYP> uncast it
[19:35:41] <multiHYP> oh nitind thanks
[19:35:45] <multiHYP> i remember now!
[19:35:48] <multiHYP> CDATA!
[19:35:50] <multiHYP> shit
[19:38:04] <Steve973> no i took care of that earlier.
[19:39:40] <multiHYP> oh my god, forget that, i use all attributes
[19:39:44] <multiHYP> Steve973: worked out
[19:40:00] <Steve973> everything sure did come out ok.
[19:40:13] <multiHYP> it turns out my code was right, but i couldn't get the 2 out of here: <Node>2</Node>
[19:40:29] <Steve973> i wasn't commenting on-topic
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[19:40:46] <Steve973> you voiced a command and right afterward I declined and indicated that I took care of that earlier.
[19:41:12] <rhk> yay, learning about <xsl:key>
[19:41:21] <multiHYP> don't follow Steve973
[19:41:37] <Steve973> don't worry, just concentrate on your xml parsing!
[19:41:51] <multiHYP> i do
[19:42:00] <multiHYP> finished it actually
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[19:42:31] <stephanee> hi all
[19:43:10] <Steve973> hey steph, how've you been?
[19:43:26] <Steve973> it has been a while and I miss all of the good times
[19:43:44] <stephanee> I don't recall you :o
[19:43:53] <stephanee> hello anyway :)
[19:44:36] <Steve973> well you were alseep and i just watched you
[19:44:38] <Steve973> so that makes sense
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[19:45:19] <erdal> the forum has technical problems, doesnt it?
[19:45:29] <erdal> there are still some entries not readable
[19:45:34] <Steve973> stephanee, i'm just being silly.
[19:46:12] <stephanee> I'm trying to create a launcher to execute eclipse with specific arguments like done using Run>Run Configuration (more precisely I need to specify plugins in workspace which will be loaded as plugins). Is there a way to do it except deploy ? :)
[19:46:39] <stephanee> lol
[19:46:59] <Steve973> eclipse.ini?
[19:48:25] <rcjsuen> stephanee: Pretty sure that's not possible.
[19:48:37] <rcjsuen> erdal: it chokes on stuff like umlauts and accents anyway, so yes there are issues
[19:48:47] <stephanee> okay
[19:48:51] <stephanee> thank rcjsuen
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[20:07:42] <b0fh_ua> Hi there! How can I launch the context menu, usually appearing after I right-click the project in package explorer? with keyboard shortcut? What is the name of this action?
[20:08:17] <rcjsuen> don't most keyboards have a right-click button?
[20:08:46] <b0fh_ua> ;)
[20:08:54] <b0fh_ua> mine doesn't
[20:09:58] <b0fh_ua> i just want to do less gestures with mouse in eclipse
[20:10:52] <rcjsuen> right-click is a right-click, if you don't have a kb button then i don't think you can workaround
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[20:11:55] <b0fh_ua> hmm
[20:12:01] <b0fh_ua> you meant meta-key, correct?
[20:12:13] <rcjsuen> i don't know what those special keys are called
[20:12:40] <b0fh_ua> okay
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[20:23:32] <nitind> Usually it's Shift+F10 on Windows, and Ctrl+Click on the Mac.
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[20:30:55] <diogo_79> hi guys is there a gui for html in eclipse?
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[21:22:22] <luyang> Hi
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[21:33:41] <[-jon-]_> I tried to merge the java and php versions of eclipse, but now when I start it up it gives me an error initializing php tooling
[21:33:48] <[-jon-]_> anyone have any idea where the cause may be?
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[21:35:43] <diogo_79> hi guys
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[21:36:46] <diogo_79> i have install cdt in eclipse but now i am trying to debug a c++ application and it gives a error "Failed to set program arguments" how can i fix this?
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[21:39:23] <diogo_79> this is the error that it gives http://pastebin.com/d3ebc0857
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[21:40:06] <delt0r___> I have looked but my google foo must be broken
[21:40:26] <delt0r___> where do set the order for code completion?
[21:40:51] <delt0r___> search order. current project, jdk, etc...
[21:41:01] <luyang> diogo_79: do you have a folder in the current project which is only space in name
[21:41:45] <delt0r___> currently i get swamped with all sorts of sun.*.*.*.*.* type completions head of local ones.
[21:41:47] <luyang> diogo_79: go http://tinyurl.com/diogoPossibleFix
[21:42:02] <luyang> I created a tiny url for you
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[21:42:45] <diogo_79> thanks luyang
[21:43:10] <luyang> diogo_79: try moving your workspace from "Documents and settings" to say c:\workspaces\?
[21:43:24] <luyang> spaces seem to mess it up
[21:44:01] <luyang> I googled and then did google translate and then created a tinyUrl for you. You owe me a beer ;)
[21:46:00] <luyang> [-jon-]_: you give us too little information. what's the error message for example
[21:46:28] <[-jon-]_> I just reinstalled eclipse
[21:46:40] <[-jon-]_> I didnt realize that it had somethign equivilant to a package manager
[21:46:42] <rcjsuen_> delt0r___: you can set type filters in your prefs (to filter out sun.* stuff...assuming you actually don't want them)
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[21:47:15] <delt0r___> rcjsuen_: and that is where....
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[21:47:32] <rcjsuen_> delt0r___: Never modified your Eclipse preferences? Window > Preferences
[21:47:46] <rcjsuen_> or Eclipse > Preferences, on a Mac
[21:47:51] <delt0r___> Finding the options is not fast
[21:48:14] <[-jon-]_> is there a way without using cvs / etc to get eclipse to work remotely for something like php?
[21:48:32] <delt0r___> and each version seens to change just enought that what i got sorted out in the last version... isn't quite right with this version
[21:48:44] <delt0r___> rcjsuen_: Found it --thanks
[21:48:53] <luyang> [-jon-]_: what do you mean "work remotely"?
[21:49:04] <delt0r___> much better
[21:49:20] <[-jon-]_> for something like php, to upload it to the webserver to execute
[21:49:24] <[-jon-]_> rather than on the local machine
[21:49:24] <rcjsuen_> well I don't think the preferences option has moved much in the past few yrs
[21:50:08] <luyang> [-jon-]_: I don't know what you're trying to do
[21:50:36] <delt0r___> rcjsuen_: prefernces->java->Editor->Content Assistant....
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[21:50:54] <delt0r___> not really that short... or memorable... but anyway... thanks
[21:51:04] <rcjsuen_> delt0r___: you can filter on the top left btw
[21:51:38] <[-jon-]_> luyang: basically to have my workspace somewhere else
[21:51:40] <[-jon-]_> on a different machine
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[21:57:08] <luyang> [-jon-]_: like a Windows share?
[21:57:47] <[-jon-]_> no like uploading it via scp/etc
[21:58:42] <luyang> [-jon-]_: I'm guessing you should google around solutions/plugins like info on this page http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php?t=tree&goto=323775&S=94f365b7d5a37bc4cf7482da423cb71b#page_top
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[22:02:57] <rcjsuen_> I guess ~TM could help with that but I wouldn't share workspaces.
[22:02:58] <Arbalest> Check out Eclipse's Target Management project - http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/
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[22:29:12] <ColdWind> hi there
[22:29:29] <ColdWind> what's used on Eclipse 3.5.1 for real-time shared editing?
[22:29:47] <ColdWind> (DocShare seems to run only on <= 3.4 ?)
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[23:20:05] <rcjsuen> ColdWind: that'd be odd since docshare didn't see much code changes in 3.5 and we just invoke API methods so should be fine
[23:25:12] <ColdWind> rcjsuen: aha, I installed ECF through the update site
[23:25:18] <ColdWind> is Docshare included?
[23:25:31] <ColdWind> because I don't see its functionality
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[23:26:11] <rcjsuen> I think it is anyway. Haven't heard otherwise.
[23:28:02] <ColdWind> ah, indeed, it's included and installed here :)
[23:28:13] <ColdWind> I just have to figure out why its options aren't showing up
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[23:32:06] <ColdWind> hah, found it
[23:32:09] <ColdWind> rcjsuen: thanks
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