[00:05:45] <rcjsuen> I'm not sure I understand the question. ##java might be more appropriate tho.
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[00:10:25] <mwg> sorry, binding to a TreeViewer
[00:10:31] <gOLDfeesh> So, Eclipse is hanging on an error and I can't view the log. I'm unable to click on the buttons
[00:10:37] <mwg> So, if you have List<Integer>, List<Boolean>, List<Double>
[00:10:42] <mwg> I want a treeviewer like:
[00:10:49] <mwg> Integers -> 1, 2, 3
[00:10:52] <gOLDfeesh> Like "Details" or "Show Error Log"
[00:10:54] <mwg> Booleans -> true, false, true
[00:10:56] <mwg> etc
[00:11:18] <rcjsuen> gOLDfeesh: try the keyboard instead of the mouse
[00:11:29] <gOLDfeesh> rcjsuen, I did.. still frozen
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[00:11:53] <rcjsuen> maybe stuck somewhere, you'd have to get a thread dump i guess, ~deadlock
[00:11:54] <Arbalest> In a deadlock? http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/How_to_report_a_deadlock
[00:13:10] <gOLDfeesh> Strange.
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[00:14:07] <gOLDfeesh> I found a tutorial on how to fix corrupted workspaces and I backed up my ".metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.core.resources" dir to _original and than had it recreate..
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[00:14:41] <gOLDfeesh> from there.. what I did was reboot.. .and tried importing, and it kept breaking on me. So I decided I would restore the original.. and everything seems to be working..
[00:19:30] <gOLDfeesh> Basically, it freezes in "Building Workspace"
[00:24:37] <gOLDfeesh> Stack: http://pastebin.ca/1660219
[00:25:23] <rcjsuen> Could be a bug with Flex Builder.
[00:27:43] <gOLDfeesh> Not sure how, if it's Eclipse attempting to build the workspace.. but you could be right
[00:27:58] <rcjsuen> Well, the Eclipse workbench triggers a build and builders do their stuff.
[00:28:14] <rcjsuen> So could be an Eclipse problem, or the Flex Builder's builder being the problem.
[00:28:46] <rcjsuen> It's like if you started a program and it just hangs, is it the program's problem or is it the OS's? Well, could be either or.
[00:29:56] <gOLDfeesh> hmm.. I hope not
[00:30:27] <gOLDfeesh> "User Operation Is Waiting" dialog..
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[01:28:28] <gOLDfeesh> The error I get for the build is: "Head Error: Out of memory"
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[02:10:23] <dmiles_afk> is there a refactering plugin for eclipse that lets you set up complex rules/transformations?
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[02:11:12] <dmiles_afk> basically there are some global hange i'd like to make that find/replace is not enough
[02:11:20] <dmiles_afk> global change
[02:13:08] <dmiles_afk> there are i am sure many refactoring plugins.. but one that was intended for the user to write macros is what i am looking for
[02:16:12] <dmiles_afk> i guess i need a tranformer that would be powerfull enough to write the current "extract interface"
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[02:18:09] <GHReyes> Hi all
[02:18:57] <GHReyes> i need help, an error occurred while uninstalling or installing
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[02:19:16] <zanberdo>  I'm running eclipse CDT 3.5.0 on ubuntu 9.04 (64-bit). I'd like to build my project as 32-bit. Where do I pass the -arch i386 parameter to the build configuration?
[02:25:30] <GHReyes> i need help, an error occurred while uninstalling or installing. Process give me this message:   session context was:(profile=epp.package.jee, phase=org.eclipse.equinox.internal.provisional.p2.engine.phases.Uninstall, operand=[R]org.eclipse.cvs_root 1.1.100.v20090514-7E79FEc9BJ99r9YFR6JOEF --> null, action=org.eclipse.equinox.internal.p2.touchpoint.natives.actions.CleanupzipAction).   Backup of file /usr/local/eclipse/epl-v10.ht
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[03:23:00] <nofilicity> i'm trying to install the WTP plugin on an eclipse installed through APT, but it doesn't seem to load
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[03:36:47] <FauxFaux> Through apt, as in, using the archaic version in ubuntu / debian?
[03:37:04] <GHReyes> i need help, an error occurred while uninstalling or installing. Process give me this message:   session context was:(profile=epp.package.jee, phase=org.eclipse.equinox.internal.provisional.p2.engine.phases.Uninstall, operand=[R]org.eclipse.cvs_root 1.1.100.v20090514-7E79FEc9BJ99r9YFR6JOEF --> null, action=org.eclipse.equinox.internal.p2.touchpoint.natives.actions.CleanupzipAction).   Backup of file /usr/local/eclipse/epl-v10.ht
[03:38:17] <GHReyes> ipse/epl-v10.html
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[04:50:39] <GHReyes> Pls, can someone explain me this message "Defining a key binding with no key sequence has no effect: plug-in='org.jboss.ide.eclipse.archives.ui', id='org.jboss.ide.eclipse.archives.ui.buildArchiveCommand'"
[04:52:23] <joeytwiddle> presumably in key settings, you have added a new keybind, but not actually given it a key to bind to!
[04:52:55] <GHReyes> thanks
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[04:54:22] <GHReyes> joeytwiddle: What should I do to fix it?
[04:54:42] <Cinguh> does eclipse work in windows7 64
[04:55:34] <rcjsuen> Cinguh: Haven't heard evidence that indicates otherwise.
[04:55:37] <joeytwiddle> GHReyes: go to preferences.  the keybinds or keyboard shorcuts panel is near the top iirc.  look in there for a User-Defined Bind which you forgot to add a key for
[04:55:57] <joeytwiddle> or don't worry about it.  it's not a critical error is it?
[04:56:23] <joeytwiddle> grouping by clicking the column header might save you some searching ;)
[04:56:52] <GHReyes> moreless
[04:58:11] <Cinguh> I keep getting errors when I try to load it -- it can't find its shared library
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[05:02:26] <rcjsuen> Cinguh: possibly a mismatch of your jre and your download arch
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[05:41:09] <andi5> hi... can anyone tell me who is to be blamed if m2eclipse totally hangs when building workspace because eris.apache.org is down? .. thanks for any hint!
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[07:33:21] <consty> Anyone know how to run Eclipse with admin permissions on a Mac so that I can successfully bind a socket on a port < 1024?
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[11:44:49] <doudou> Hi, i have problesm with debian lenny and eclipse: i got the jvm message, i google and install xul that solved the problem, next i wanted to install uml2 but i dont know how install works
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[11:47:07] <doudou> i tried to update with find and update but now all is block with something like requires feature org.apache.batik ... is there a problem trying to use eclipse with debian?
[11:47:13] <doudou> what should i do?
[11:47:47] <magmarules> Guys where can i get the javadoc of swt so i can consult it when coding?
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[11:52:37] <southwind> hi
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[11:59:49] <southwind> hi
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[11:59:57] <southwind> which language do u guys use
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[12:13:06] <GHReyes> hi all
[12:13:49] <GHReyes> I need with error in Galileo: "java.io.IOException: Manager is not opened"
[12:15:24] <GHReyes> Link: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1660785
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[12:21:18] <Ian_Corne> It seems like when I download the newest version of eclipse JEE, on a ubuntu 9.10 64 bit machine, it cannot open a file browser window
[12:21:31] <Ian_Corne> any known workarounds?
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[12:54:01] <deSilva> Ian_Corne: maybe that's the known gtk problem?
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[13:04:30] <dmiles_afk> there are many refactoring plugins.. but one that was intended for the user to write macros is what i am looking for.. any ideas?
[13:05:47] <dmiles_afk> i need to convert several object methods to static methods in an outterclass.. and rename the methods specially
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[13:11:43] <magmarules> Anyone knows anything about swt programming ?
[13:12:45] <rcjsuen> I'd imagine, as there are plug-in developers here.
[13:14:46] <magmarules> =)
[13:15:38] <magmarules> Im trying to figure out how to do two things, update my gridlayout so that it distributes the widgets inside, i have called shell.layout() but they only update when i resize the window
[13:15:48] <dmiles_afk> been a while i've searched eclipse site for plugins.. is there less?
[13:15:57] <magmarules> The other thing is to be able to resize list components
[13:16:11] <dmiles_afk> i am trying to find a refacotring plugin that lets me write source transformation
[13:16:24] <dmiles_afk> transformations plural
[13:16:56] <FauxFaux> dmiles_afk: If you find one, do link it.  You can probably do your transform without too mcuh effort with the existing refactoring tools, though.
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[13:18:27] <rcjsuen> magmarules: just calling layout() isn't recursive i think
[13:18:34] <magmarules> ohh ok
[13:19:36] <magmarules> rcjsuen: unn the lists dont have layout, so calling shell.layout() should work =(
[13:19:54] <rcjsuen> Cannot say without seeing the code.
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[13:20:31] <rcjsuen> or try layout(true, true) and see what happens
[13:21:03] <dmiles_afk> what my exact refactor is.. http://libomv.pastebin.ca/1660835
[13:21:58] <dmiles_afk> except i have over 9000 P1s and each one has about 5 m1s
[13:22:10] <dmiles_afk> (differnce signatures)
[13:22:47] <magmarules> yeah rcjsuen  layout(true, true) worked =)
[13:22:48] <magmarules> ty
[13:23:53] <dmiles_afk> FauxFaux, i might just have to do a tutorial on how to write my own refactoring tool maybe
[13:24:18] <dmiles_afk> was hoping 1/2 way thru the tutorial someone decidied to embed a BeanScell scripting thing
[13:24:29] <FauxFaux> dmiles_afk: There's a proposal for a way to do it with annotations in netbeans, totally go implement it for Eclipse.
[13:24:34] * FauxFaux can never find the link.
[13:24:53] <FauxFaux> http://netbeans.dzone.com/news/transformation-code-transforma \o/
[13:26:01] <dmiles_afk> awesome.. i might have to use it for this one opertion
[13:26:23] <dmiles_afk> but i wish someone would port this to a eclipse refactoring too lP
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[13:52:19] <GHReyes> Can I add seams framework into Eclipse?
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[13:58:27] <tomitzel> Hello, I have this problem with Eclipse: http://paste.ubuntu.com/312419/ Can someone please help me?
[14:00:18] <ikrabbe> hi, i have to support my actionscript developers using eclipse, though not all of them will use eclipse or any ide.  the projects are administered with git.  I now try to import actionscript files from a git repository, that does not contain an eclipse project. So I have an eclipse project and want to fill in the plain files checked out of git with egit.  How can I control the versioning and how do I import the files into my projects?
[14:01:33] <ikrabbe> As i don't have the fdt toolkit here, i just tested a plain resource tree, but that does not have any options to update or commit to git repositoriers, once I imported the version.
[14:07:36] <ikrabbe> actually all i can do with egit from within eclipse is to clone a repository.  But there are no commands to create branches or apply changes within the checked out git resources.  So what this all is for? I mean I have a really good toolkit, but from within eclipse there is absolutely nothing I can do with that toolkit.  So what is it all good for in the end?
[14:07:57] <ikrabbe> hmm, maybe the best use case of eclipse would be to delete it again
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[14:11:50] <ikrabbe> I think I tried to use eclipse now for about ten times, always deleting it after halve an our again, after I found out how useless it is.  I can't believe you people still want to use this shit
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[14:39:13] <vadi> Is there any way to configure eclipse to that the debugger bind to 192.168.1.2:8000 instead of to 127.0.0.1:8000 ?
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[14:54:53] <vadi> How to configure eclipse to start the debuger listening on 192.168.1.2:8000 instead of to 127.0.0.1:8000 ?
[14:59:45] <FauxFaux> You can specify VM arguments.
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[15:57:09] <anderslinden> Is there a plugin to eclipse for programming in j2me?
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[16:01:16] <BrianHV> I have eclipse classic for python development.  I want to start some android development, and they recommend having (e.g.) the IDE for Java EE developers.  what's the recommended approach to adding the Java EE packages to my classic install?
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[16:18:42] <magmarules__> Guys im trying to build with swt a list os "Lists" that stack horizontally each list should be resizable by the user, but not resize automatically, what would be the best layout to use ?
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[16:57:01] <Ashraf>  I have a problem with eclipse
[16:57:11] <Ashraf> after downloading it
[16:57:25] <Ashraf> and trying to start it with fedora
[16:57:58] <Ashraf> the splash screen appears
[16:58:13] <Ashraf> and then disappeared
[16:58:23] <Ashraf> just this
[16:58:29] <Ashraf> what can I do ???
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[17:00:27] <TomTom> Ashraf: which jdk do you use?
[17:00:46] <Ashraf> I don't know
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[17:01:02] <Ashraf> how can I know
[17:02:37] <Ashraf> TomTom???
[17:05:55] <Ashraf> please any one help me I need this urgently
[17:06:13] <TomTom> Ashraf: java -version
[17:06:20] <Ashraf> ok
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[17:07:06] <Ashraf> java version "1.6.0_11"
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[17:07:35] <TomTom> sun or not sun?
[17:08:12] <Ashraf> here is the complete output of the command
[17:08:17] <Ashraf> java version "1.6.0_11"
[17:08:18] <Ashraf> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_11-b03)
[17:08:19] <Ashraf> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 11.0-b16, mixed mode)
[17:09:16] <TomTom> looks like sun, so this usual mistake is not the cause
[17:10:10] <TomTom> hs* pid files in the directory from where you call eclipse? do you call it from cmndline? if not, do it
[17:10:29] <Ashraf> I have called it
[17:10:42] <Ashraf> and the same thing happened
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[17:13:11] <Ashraf> seems to be no solution
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[17:14:04] <dgts> is there any way to change the caret/cursor color? (it's black and i use a dark editor background)
[17:14:31] <TomTom> Ashraf: are there javavm crashlogs present?
[17:14:55] <Ashraf> I don't know also
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[17:15:36] <TomTom> strace "could" help
[17:16:06] <Ashraf> how to use this
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[17:18:52] <Luyang> HI all... Is there an easy way to refactor a method to be put in a new class and introduce an instance variable and do all method invocations on this new obj?
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[17:24:28] <Luyang> say I wanna split a class into two and move half of the methods to the new class but keep functionality unchanged
[17:24:44] <Luyang> this should not be an uncommon scenario, so what's the recommendation to do this?
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[17:29:12] <dgts> Luyang, if half the methods are missing, functionality can't be unchanged
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[17:38:27] <Arnos> When I try to open Eclipse I get the following error: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4923/35406988.png
[17:38:31] <Arnos> What should I do?
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[17:40:55] <ldiamond> I have setup a custom Code Style on one of my PC
[17:41:08] <ldiamond> how do I get a file with these settings and add them to another PC
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[17:42:24] <ldiamond> nvm, I found, have to go into edit to be able to export
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[17:46:42] <l3dx> I'm not able to click wizard-buttons(next, back, finish...) using eclipse cdt and ubuntu. Have to use the keyboard for wizards..known problem?
[17:47:11] <Luyang> dgts what do you mean
[17:48:07] <Luyang> dgts I'm thinking about typically changing isa to a hasa relationship via refactoring... so put parent class as instance variable and remove extends and forward all method calls to that class
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[17:55:36] <anderslinden> I installed wireless toolkit, do I need to install something more for the MIDLet class to exist?
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[18:12:48] <vadi> FauxFaux, thanks, I have done it via runserver --noreload 192.168.1.202:8000
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[18:32:32] <SJr> I just downloaded 3.5.1 and it won't open on my Ubuntu x64 machine
[18:33:38] <odin__> what is the name of the downloaded file ?
[18:34:14] <SJr> eclipse-jee-galileo-SR1-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz
[18:34:28] <odin__> and how are you expecting it to open ?  what do you mean by that ?
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[18:35:47] <SJr> I expect the flash screen to show up followed by the eclipse window
[18:36:11] <SJr> instead when I run ./eclipse in the untarred folder it just exits
[18:36:11] <odin__> after you do what ?  run it ?  how are you attempting to run it ?
[18:36:55] <odin__> where did you extract it?  $HOME ?  so the exec is $HOME/eclipse/eclipse ?
[18:36:59] <SJr> /new-eclipse/eclipse$ ./eclipse
[18:37:08] <SJr> well
[18:37:16] <SJr> $HOME/new-eclipse/eclipse
[18:37:23] <odin__> and if you run "ldd ./eclipse" any linkage problems ?
[18:38:17] <odin__> I am on a 64bit linux host myself, but I run 32bit eclipse (for better TPTP and Mozila support)
[18:38:41] <odin__> what JVM are you using ?  "java -version" ?  GCJ ?
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[18:40:14] <perlmonkey2> Anyone use and like the vimplugin? http://vimplugin.org/
[18:40:51] <SJr> It doesn't say not found when I run ldd ./eclipse, but one has no file associated with it:
[18:40:51] <SJr> <perlmonkey2> Anyone use and
[18:40:53] <SJr> errr
[18:40:58] <SJr> linux-vdso.so.1 =>  (0x00007fff2b5ff000)
[18:41:05] <SJr> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_15-b03)
[18:41:52] <odin__> and the result of "which java" is what path ?
[18:42:08] <odin__> is the JVM by Sun ?
[18:42:10] <SJr> /usr/bin/java
[18:42:20] <SJr> Yes
[18:42:21] <SJr> Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 14.1-b02, mixed mode)
[18:43:10] <odin__> it does not say "64-Bit" ?
[18:43:19] <odin__> run "file /usr/bin/java" does it report 32 or 64bit ?
[18:43:25] <odin__> my 64bit Sun JVM says:
[18:43:30] <odin__> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 14.2-b01, mixed mode)
[18:43:58] <odin__> you have 2 options... get the 64bit JVM and install it (maybe in /opt as /opt/jdk1.6.0_16_x86_64 )
[18:44:23] <odin__> or download the 32bit version of eclipse the file eclipse-jee-galileo-SR1-linux-gtk.tar.gz
[18:44:25] <SJr> Ah
[18:44:31] <SJr> that's odd I thought I had the 64 bit java
[18:44:44] <odin__> what does "uname  -a" report ?
[18:44:55] <SJr> Linux pascal-ubuntu 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:05:01 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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[18:46:36] <odin__> maybe a Ubunto packaging bug ?
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[18:59:54] <delaman> Hello, I am new to Eclipse.  I am having trouble making a C++ project.  The "next" buton is not clickable.  Any suggestions?
[19:01:23] <rcjsuen> anderslinden: I think MTJ is for j2me development.
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[19:02:36] <delaman> I am on linux: Archlinux
[19:02:36] <delaman> Eclipse: 3.5.1-1
[19:02:36] <delaman> Eclipse C++/Plugin: 6.0.1-1
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[19:02:49] <rcjsuen> delaman: what if you hit enter or use Alt+N
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[19:03:29] <Guest32777> This IRC client working?
[19:03:35] <rcjsuen> BrianHV: This may be of help to you to build your j2ee client. http://bewarethepenguin.blogspot.com/2009/07/screencast-creating-eclipse-download.html
[19:03:47] <rcjsuen> BrianHV: or rather, to add the Java ee plug-ins
[19:04:09] <delaman> rcjsuen: pressing enter works, hopefully i dont run into any more problems.  thanks
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[19:04:47] <rcjsuen> delaman: For the buton problem, see faq in channel topic
[19:10:37] <delaman> rcjsuen: thanks faq helped
[19:12:19] <BrianHV> rcjsuen: thanks... I'll check that out in a bit
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[19:14:17] <lurkdev> I'm using eclipse/pydev... suddenly eclipse doesn't recognise basic keywords like True, None, etc.  any ideas?
[19:14:47] <lurkdev> I'm getting the red x-circles with "undefined variable None" etc
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[19:20:46] <SJr> I figured it out, odin__  I also had ia32-sun-java installed
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[19:43:47] <SJr> IS there a reason I can't hit Next > on the available software to install stuff. It just does nothing when I click
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[20:00:23] <nmatrix9> SJr, I don't like Eclipse's 3.5 remote installer K.I.S.S
[20:00:52] <SJr> Ah
[20:01:01] <SJr> hmmm it turns out it's Ubuntu 9.10 breaking eclipse horribly
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[20:08:55] <nmatrix9> SJr, what JDK you using?
[20:09:14] <SJr> Sun one, but it's a problem with UBuntu regardless of JDK, and Eclipse Source
[20:09:27] <SJr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/463351
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[20:11:35] <SJr> Why does it take 3 minutes to start gdb with Eclipse?
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[20:28:42] <magmarules> Guys i have a form layout working in the shell, but now i do the same thing inside a scrolledcomposite but nothing appears =/
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[20:34:31] <java_plugin> hi all
[20:34:32] <java_plugin> hola a todos
[20:35:30] <java_plugin> i've a problem .. i'd like to include an .jpg to a region of my plugin and i don't know how i can to load the path of the .jpg
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[20:39:01] <rcjsuen> java_plugin: "to a region of my plugin"?
[20:39:40] <java_plugin> yes
[20:39:58] <rcjsuen> I don't even know what that means.
[20:40:07] <java_plugin> http://pastebin.com/m1719acd7
[20:40:18] <java_plugin> see line 14
[20:40:36] <java_plugin> in this way, if the image is not in this path, the plugin show me an error
[20:40:49] <java_plugin> i'd like to add the image to .jar and reference it
[20:41:34] <rcjsuen> see ~dev-faq about loading files then
[20:41:35] <Arbalest> Writing Eclipse plug-ins / RCP apps and don't know where to turn? See these FAQs - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Plug-in_Development_FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/The_Official_Eclipse_FAQs - http://wiki.eclipse.org/RCP_FAQ / Or look at EclipseCon talks/tutorials - http://www.eclipsecon.org/
[20:43:03] <java_plugin> please help me : (
[20:43:13] <rcjsuen> the first FAQ link wil help you
[20:43:30] <java_plugin> ok .. : (
[20:44:39] <java_plugin> i'd read
[20:44:42] <java_plugin> the link but
[20:44:44] <java_plugin> it's not
[20:44:46] <java_plugin> that i'd like
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[20:47:02] <rcjsuen> the faq tells you how to read a file
[20:47:15] <rcjsuen> that's located in your bundle
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[21:37:13] <obsidian01> Question: in eclipse 3.5 SR1 - are there any bad known problems with common plugins like pydev, subclipse, or cdt?
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[21:41:25] <obsidian01> anyone around here using 3.5.1 successfully?
[21:42:28] <rcjsuen> I don't use 3.5.1 but "bad known problems" is rather vague
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[21:43:53] <obsidian01> well, i used the heck out of 3.3, 3.4
[21:43:55] <obsidian01> never had an issue
[21:43:59] <obsidian01> tried 3.5.1 today
[21:44:13] <obsidian01> and it's been pretty awful
[21:44:26] <obsidian01> hard to believe it's eclipse itself
[21:44:42] <obsidian01> but early on in the fiasco I was erasing .eclipse, .metadata... starting clean
[21:44:44] <obsidian01> didn't help
[21:45:03] <obsidian01> it's as if 3.5.1 does not work, really
[21:45:51] <rcjsuen> "pretty awful" and "does not work" is still vague :o
[21:45:55] <obsidian01> OK -
[21:46:07] <obsidian01> install java eclipse 3.5.1 for linux x86_64
[21:46:12] <rcjsuen> And did you check bugzilla?
[21:46:13] <obsidian01> install subclipse 1.6
[21:46:16] <obsidian01> yes
[21:46:17] <rcjsuen> If someone else hit the problem they may have filed a bug
[21:46:23] <obsidian01> I can find nothing
[21:46:31] <obsidian01> and this seems too egregious anyway
[21:46:36] <obsidian01> you would simply not release it
[21:46:50] <obsidian01> so install subclipse 1.6, it works
[21:46:52] <obsidian01> then install pydev
[21:46:54] <obsidian01> boom
[21:46:56] <obsidian01> neither work
[21:46:57] <obsidian01> uninstall pydev
[21:46:59] <obsidian01> still no subclipse
[21:47:03] <obsidian01> no errors I can find
[21:47:20] <obsidian01> and by "not work" I mean they just disappear from the UI. no prefs, no nothing.
[21:47:34] <obsidian01> the only place they appear is in the "about" dialogs, where they can (uselessly) be removed
[21:47:41] <obsidian01> same thing with CDT
[21:47:43] <obsidian01> install CDT, it works
[21:47:47] <obsidian01> then install subclipse
[21:47:51] <obsidian01> now they both just... disappear.,
[21:48:14] <rcjsuen> try on 3.5.0 and see if it works, tho i would also suggest filing a bug since you seem to be able to reproduce consistently
[21:48:23] <obsidian01> oh yes
[21:48:33] <obsidian01> whatever I'm doing, it's happening every time
[21:48:38] <obsidian01> let me try 3.5.0
[21:51:05] <obsidian01> hmm not finding 3.5.0 for download yet
[21:51:11] <obsidian01> resorting to google...
[21:51:42] <obsidian01> there we go
[21:54:34] <obsidian01> NOPE
[21:54:37] <obsidian01> i am retarded
[21:54:46] <obsidian01> i cannot even find 3.5.0 for download
[21:54:52] <obsidian01> "Older Versions" takes you here: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Older_Versions_Of_Eclipse
[21:55:13] <obsidian01> nothing has version numbers of course; but even so, I get no luck.
[21:55:43] <rcjsuen> probably nobody updated the wiki page
[21:55:49] <obsidian01> mm
[21:55:51] <obsidian01> is it really likely that there is a massive regression causing plugins to silently fail in 3.5.1?
[21:56:06] <obsidian01> so that for instance, no one can use subversion on a C/C++ project?
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[21:56:37] <rcjsuen> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/
[21:56:55] <obsidian01> Ahhh
[21:56:57] <obsidian01> thank you
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[21:58:40] <obsidian01> that's odd
[21:58:48] <obsidian01> nothing on the 3.5 page corresponds to the regular download page
[21:59:17] <rcjsuen> because it's for the SDK
[21:59:26] <obsidian01> hmm
[22:00:11] <obsidian01> do you know the difference between the "SDK" and the "IDE for Java Developers"?
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[22:00:43] <rcjsuen> there's a compare link on the regular downloads page I believe?
[22:01:04] <obsidian01> Yes, it does not mention anything called "SDK"
[22:01:13] <obsidian01> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/compare-packages
[22:01:15] <obsidian01> right?
[22:01:35] <rcjsuen> it's "rebranded" as Eclipse Classic
[22:01:37] <obsidian01> Also for obvious reasons it is impossible to formulate sensible google searches regarding the terms "eclipse", "ide" and "sdk"
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[22:01:44] <obsidian01> ahhh
[22:01:48] <rcjsuen> tho the old timers know Classic == SDK
[22:02:04] <obsidian01> and now I guess I am becoming an honorary old timer  :)
[22:02:57] <obsidian01> Well now
[22:03:02] <obsidian01> let's see what the 3.5 sdk does
[22:04:18] <obsidian01> Do you know of any way to turn on extra logging or debugging?
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[22:04:34] <obsidian01> I find it hard to believe that an installed plugin would just bomb (and cause other plugins to bomb) without producing any output.
[22:07:42] <obsidian01> sorry, if you said anything after "output" i probably missed it
[22:07:58] <obsidian01> ubuntu can't stay on the network for very long at a time, apparently.  :(
[22:08:45] <obsidian01> it's very strange -
[22:09:09] <obsidian01> that comparison chart - eclipse ide for java has way more checkmarks, but is almost half the size of "classic"
[22:15:06] <obsidian01> Wow
[22:15:19] <obsidian01> well, your 3.5.0 suggestion did something big, that's for sure
[22:15:22] <obsidian01> For the first time ever
[22:15:34] <obsidian01> I could install both CDT and subclipse without having them both turn invisible
[22:16:09] <rcjsuen> obsidian01: the SDK is bigger because, as you'd imagine for an SDK, it includes source code
[22:20:42] <obsidian01> well
[22:20:48] <obsidian01> that explains it  :)
[22:21:08] <obsidian01> you get that confusion, though - is it a java app sdk or an eclipse sdk :)
[22:21:31] <obsidian01> anyway, i am amused that this works
[22:21:33] <rcjsuen> I think the source is at least 50 megs
[22:21:34] <obsidian01> let me try pydev
[22:21:43] <obsidian01> god that's a lot of code
[22:22:22] <rcjsuen> well the eclipse platform isn't small
[22:22:24] <rcjsuen> then you add the java tooling
[22:22:33] <rcjsuen> and thetooling to create plug-ins
[22:22:47] <rcjsuen> and i guess documentation html files take up some space to
[22:22:51] <obsidian01> L(
[22:22:52] <obsidian01> :)
[22:23:57] <obsidian01> crazy
[22:24:00] <obsidian01> they all install
[22:24:02] <obsidian01> just like that
[22:24:11] <obsidian01> did you know something specific about 3.5.1 vs. 3.5.0?
[22:24:47] <rcjsuen> Did you actually use the 3.5.1 SDK?
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[22:24:57] <rcjsuen> Or did you use another build like "for Java dev" or "for java ee dev"
[22:25:15] <convivial> Hi!
[22:25:16] <obsidian01> for Java dev
[22:25:19] <obsidian01> just as I did for 3.4
[22:25:23] <obsidian01> and 3.3 and so forth
[22:25:29] <rcjsuen> obsidian01: maybe the packaging process screwed something up, i dunno
[22:25:34] <rcjsuen> if you have bw to spare you could retry with 3.5.1 SDK i guess
[22:25:41] <obsidian01> I do and I will
[22:25:44] <obsidian01> very curious at this point
[22:25:46] <rcjsuen> as to what changed, in the SDK we have a readme
[22:25:52] <rcjsuen> which lists all the bugs we fixed
[22:25:54] <convivial> how do I get windows context menu when I write click on a file from Package explorer?
[22:26:02] <obsidian01> i know in the past I could not make a java/c/python IDE starting with the CDT -
[22:26:03] <rcjsuen> or at least, we think we "fixed" ;)
[22:26:13] <obsidian01> I had to start with the java ide
[22:26:22] <rcjsuen> convivial: windows, you mean the regular one from windows explorer?
[22:26:29] <convivial> yes
[22:26:32] <obsidian01> but yes, will check 3.5.1 sdk next - very curious.
[22:26:36] <convivial> I have stuff there I want to use
[22:26:42] <convivial> ie, "Send To" menu
[22:26:45] <rcjsuen> convivial: Not possible
[22:26:52] <rcjsuen> I guess unless you wanna start writing plug-ins and C code maybe
[22:27:01] <rcjsuen> maybe then that'd work, i duno
[22:27:31] <convivial> is there a File Explorer or something?
[22:27:41] <obsidian01> Ohhh. Eclipse just bombed so bad
[22:27:46] <rcjsuen> convivial: no support out of the box anyway
[22:28:42] <convivial> where are 3partyh plugins?
[22:29:59] <rcjsuen> try googling for starters I guess, also places like EPIC might help, ~plugins
[22:30:00] <Arbalest> Look for plug-ins at the Eclipse Plug-in Central (http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/) and EclipsePlugins (http://eclipse-plugins.info)
[22:32:50] <obsidian01> OK, at least that bomb was a pydev thing from my project not being in sync with the ide config
[22:32:54] <obsidian01> OK, back to the fun stuff
[22:32:57] <obsidian01> 3.5.1 SDK  :)
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[22:43:59] <obsidian01> just curious
[22:44:02] <obsidian01> when you upgrade eclipse
[22:44:03] <convivial> can I add http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/ to repository for install update?
[22:44:05] <obsidian01> how do you do it?
[22:44:17] <convivial> same question for http://eclipse-plugins.info
[22:44:26] <rcjsuen> convivial: No.
[22:44:32] <rcjsuen> and no for the other site
[22:45:00] <obsidian01> convivial: i usually find a plugin has a download page with a URL that they specifically give for tha tpurpose
[22:46:11] <convivial> m
[22:46:43] <obsidian01> i.e.
[22:46:47] <convivial> k
[22:46:51] <obsidian01> http://subclipse.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectProcess?pageID=p4wYuA
[22:46:57] <obsidian01> http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/downloads.php
[22:47:08] <obsidian01> note that these are not the urls either
[22:47:17] <obsidian01> just that on the former they give http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/downloads.php
[22:47:34] <obsidian01> or rather http://subclipse.tigris.org/update_1.6.x
[22:47:40] <obsidian01> (unix clipboard lol)
[22:47:52] <obsidian01> and the latter,  http://download.eclipse.org/tools/cdt/releases/galileo
[22:48:01] <obsidian01> for subclipse and cdt, two examples
[22:48:58] <obsidian01> whoa that's crazy
[22:49:00] <obsidian01> ok man
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[22:49:23] <obsidian01> rcjsuen: using the SDK (versus the IDE for Java, as I have in the past), everything works
[22:49:30] <rcjsuen> oic
[22:49:36] <rcjsuen> i guess the packaging screwed up maybe
[22:49:37] <rcjsuen> *shrugs*
[22:49:46] <obsidian01> to be clear: if I download the SDK and install cdt and subclipse, fine
[22:50:08] <obsidian01> if I try the same in "IDE for Java" - you get a massive, and silent, error that somehow permanently disables both plugins
[22:50:22] <obsidian01> so i would say you have a packaging problem, and also an error handling problem
[22:50:43] <obsidian01> since i am used to that neato "i just had an unhandled exception, should I report it sir?" dialogue
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[22:50:51] <obsidian01> but it is not happening in this case
[22:50:52] <rcjsuen> do you see anything in Help > About > Installation Details?
[22:50:55] <convivial> tehe-tehe-a-tehe-ehehehehe http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/Web_Links-index-req-viewlink-cid-1565.html
[22:50:55] <convivial> :D
[22:50:57] <convivial> thankies
[22:50:57] <rcjsuen> or are both plug-ins gone from those lists?
[22:50:59] <obsidian01> I poured through it
[22:51:06] <obsidian01> everything looked totally normal in there
[22:51:11] <obsidian01> view error log gave no errors
[22:51:30] <obsidian01> i will check out the same places in the sdk to compare
[22:51:57] <convivial> wtf they want cash for it!
[22:52:10] <convivial> maybe noties
[22:52:26] <rcjsuen> well people need to feed their families :o
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[22:53:04] <obsidian01> lol, i would happily pay if that would get me working software
[22:53:07] <Lucifaneous1> that is true
[22:53:10] <obsidian01> i just spent the day working on my ide, rather than my project
[22:53:12] <Lucifaneous1> that is tres true
[22:53:35] <obsidian01> rcjsuen: the only difference I see in the install details of the working install is much less stuff
[22:53:46] <obsidian01> which makes sense - sdk vs. ide for java, missing mylin etc etc
[22:53:58] <obsidian01> maybe something new in the ide for java conflicts somehow...?
[22:54:04] <rcjsuen> You'll have to file a bug or two I'm not familiar with the provisioning system I'm afraid.
[22:54:08] <obsidian01> but my uninformed speculation is probably not going to help anyone's process.
[22:54:13] <obsidian01> I will certainly file a bug
[22:54:24] <obsidian01> at least you have helped me get to the point where I can characterize the problem
[22:54:38] <rcjsuen> Happy to help and good luck with your project.
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[22:54:48] <obsidian01> thank you  :) and good luck to you as well
[22:54:55] <rcjsuen> when you have the bug filed please provide the link here
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[22:55:18] <convivial> that true'ed, that true'ed
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[22:56:58] <obsidian01> waiting for my bugzilla email :)
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[23:16:57] <obsidian01> rcjsuen: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=294535
[23:17:15] <obsidian01> tried to do a good job of capturing it
[23:17:26] <obsidian01> have i left out anything significant?
[23:18:12] <rcjsuen> looks fine to me, if the devs need more info they will ask anyway
[23:18:19] <obsidian01> k cool
[23:18:28] <obsidian01> I hope it helps
[23:18:29] <rcjsuen> Thank you for your bug report.
[23:18:32] <obsidian01> my pleasure
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[23:19:18] <obsidian01> I have a lot of open bugs - the kernel, kde, gnome, java, etc.
[23:19:28] <obsidian01> not one of them has even had a status change  :)
[23:19:39] <obsidian01> over many years by now for a couple of them
[23:19:44] <rcjsuen> But you continue to file bugs, I'm impressed.
[23:19:51] <rcjsuen> Most people give up if they don't get any responses.
[23:19:58] <rcjsuen> And that is understandable imo.
[23:20:02] <obsidian01> :)
[23:20:21] <obsidian01> I roll my own redhat kernels - RHEL 5.4 kernel panics if you do HTB bandwidth shaping...
[23:20:27] <obsidian01> this is going on since the spring
[23:20:46] <obsidian01> i submitted my bug with citations to lkml and net dev, and a backported patch that's tested in production
[23:20:50] <obsidian01> you know what? they don't even read it
[23:20:51] <obsidian01> still "new"
[23:20:53] <obsidian01> lol
[23:21:08] <rcjsuen> Did you try pinging the bug?
[23:21:18] <obsidian01> people get mad when I ping thengs
[23:21:24] <rcjsuen> interesting
[23:21:25] <obsidian01> but no, i suppose i should
[23:21:35] <obsidian01> at least someone who finds the bug can apply the patch and build their own kernel, like I did
[23:21:37] <rcjsuen> Well different teams have different workflows I guess.
[23:21:45] <obsidian01> maybe no one does bandwidth shaping on redhat, i don't know  :)
[23:22:29] <cr0mulent> Could someone suggest what eclipse plugin I would use to build a simple graphical interface for a java class?
[23:22:44] <cr0mulent> need a couple radio buttons.
[23:22:46] <obsidian01> hmm - good question - i never use those GUI builders
[23:22:55] <obsidian01> when I do i like idea for that :/
[23:23:10] <rcjsuen> ~tell cr0mulent about java-gui
[23:23:11] <Arbalest> cr0mulent: Looking for a Java GUI designer plug-in for Eclipse? Go take a look at the *free* Visual Editor (http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE), Visual Swing for Eclipse (http://code.google.com/p/visualswing4eclipse/), Instantiations' *commercial* WindowBuilder (http://www.instantiations.com/windowbuilderpro/), and/or Jigloo (http://www.cloudgarden.com/jigloo/) , which is *free for non-commercial use*.
[23:23:16] <rcjsuen> Don't ask me which one to use, I don't use any of them.
[23:23:27] <obsidian01> wow look at all that
[23:23:46] <obsidian01> they never save time in the end,
[23:23:48] <obsidian01> for me at least
[23:24:23] <cr0mulent> I downloaded window builder, I dont know if i should use swt awt or swing.
[23:24:36] <cr0mulent> is this more of a question for a different channel?
[23:24:37] <rcjsuen> Doesn't the class mandate one?
[23:24:42] <convivial> the plugsin is not working! --- http://timealias.bplaced.net/ContextMenuPlugin/
[23:24:47] <convivial> I installed it as they said
[23:24:49] <cr0mulent> I have been told to use swing/awt
[23:24:53] <convivial> I even restarted eclipsed
[23:24:57] <convivial> why it not working?
[23:25:04] <cr0mulent> but from what i can interpret, swt is a hybrid of the two.
[23:25:08] <rcjsuen> cr0mulent: Then I'd probably follow my professor's instructions ;)
[23:25:29] <rcjsuen> when i was in university we used Swing also
[23:26:16] <cr0mulent> well, i think ill ask around a little more. I downloaded window builder but perhaps there are simpler ones out there
[23:26:30] <rcjsuen> i would not call swt a hybrid of the two, but i guess that depends how one defines "hybrid"
[23:27:26] <obsidian01> agreed - swt is something else from swing really
[23:27:52] <obsidian01> although most 3rd party GUI API's have to rely on core awt/swing APIs to work
[23:28:16] <obsidian01> SWT uses native libs, right? I never use it.
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[23:28:57] <cr0mulent> rcjsuen: yeah i just looked it up, not a hybrid of the two at all.
[23:28:59] <rcjsuen> yes it calls C/C++ code
[23:29:19] <cr0mulent> well i think im going to install jigaloo or whatever and make something in swing
[23:29:22] <obsidian01> wild - dunno, i do just fine with swing.
[23:29:31] <obsidian01> fewer hassles on install
[23:30:19] <obsidian01> convivial: you might try reaching out to the plugin author
[23:30:28] <obsidian01> never used that one myself
[23:30:30] <convivial> he swhould be shot in the head
[23:30:35] <obsidian01> also not on windows
[23:30:44] <obsidian01> hey, who knows whose fault it really is
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[23:31:08] <obsidian01> I just found what looks like plugin related breakage in eclipse
[23:31:11] * obsidian01 shrugs
[23:31:47] <convivial> how do I move mobile tools menu, or copy it, to toolbar?
[23:32:04] <obsidian01> not sure what mobile tools menu is  :(
[23:32:13] <rcjsuen> convivial: you can try Window > CUstomize Perspective, maybe you can do something there
[23:32:23] <cr0mulent> thanks people
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[23:32:34] <convivial> try that
[23:32:37] <convivial> it ain't there
[23:33:36] <convivial> I'm starting to feel highly constrained by eclipse IDE
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[23:38:00] <cr0mulent> im back again.. what is the eclipse supported project for graphical development
[23:38:53] <rcjsuen> Visual Editor is hosted at eclipse.org if that's what you mean
[23:38:58] <rcjsuen> DUnno how much love it's been getting tho
[23:39:12] <cr0mulent> sounds too much like visual basic
[23:39:23] <cr0mulent> so maybe people cringe when they hear the name.
[23:39:25] <cr0mulent> ill check it out.
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[23:50:44] <obsidian01> doh
[23:51:02] <obsidian01> So the whole point of this was to add the android adt to my already working but slightly out of date eclipse
[23:51:14] <obsidian01> but of course ADT will not install on the eclipse SDK
[23:51:18] <obsidian01> because it is missing some dependency
[23:51:20] <obsidian01> :)
[23:51:27] <obsidian01> looked XML related
[23:51:32] <obsidian01> but now I am in dependency hell
[23:51:40] <obsidian01> is there one true update URL to use for eclipse components?
[23:51:53] <obsidian01> I thought there was supposed to be some dependency resolution  :(
[23:52:09] <rcjsuen> the galileo site should include the desired xml editor
[23:52:28] <obsidian01> http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/?
[23:52:36] <obsidian01> that's what I get when I click on the "XML" link in the compare chart
[23:52:40] <obsidian01> but I can't install that either
[23:52:43] <obsidian01> more dependency hell
[23:52:54] <rcjsuen> no, well, you should alrdy have that site in your installation if you installed the sdk
[23:53:37] <obsidian01>   Missing requirement: Android Development Tools 0.9.4.v200910220141-17704 (com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.feature.group 0.9.4.v200910220141-17704) requires 'org.eclipse.gef 0.0.0' but it could not be found
[23:53:43] <obsidian01> Hmm interesting
[23:53:58] <obsidian01> At least when I added the URLs of the web tools update site, it includes some things automatically now
[23:54:02] <obsidian01> and breaks on something else
[23:54:09] <rcjsuen> the galileo site is http://download.eclipse.org/releases/galileo/ but you should have it alrdty
[23:54:24] <obsidian01> apparently not
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[23:55:41] <obsidian01> Well, should I open another bug?
[23:55:49] <obsidian01> 3.5.1 SDK install does not have that URL active
[23:55:59] <obsidian01> with it in, ADT now installs...
[23:57:10] <rcjsuen> obsidian01: Where did you untar the SDK
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[23:59:01] <obsidian01>  /usr/local/
[23:59:30] <rcjsuen> that's probably why your combo box is empty
[23:59:31] <rcjsuen> http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#How_come_my_list_of_update_sites_is_completely_empty_when_other_people_says_theirs_has_stuff_in_it.3F





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