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[00:24:44] <ech0s7> it's possible to change default port of HTTP Preview Server ?
[00:28:33] <FauxFaux> O_o I can't see a way either.
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[00:38:30] <OterKurt> I have a webapp with a war directory that
[00:38:52] <OterKurt> s not in the root folder of my project and eclipse doesnt find it
[00:39:01] <OterKurt> How can i set the WAR folder or file?
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[01:47:17] <joephantom_> hi
[01:47:23] <joephantom_> how are you?
[01:47:25] <joephantom_> i'm having a strange problem
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[01:47:52] <joephantom_> in all computers i have run eclipse, when i click on a variable name for example, eclipse highlights all the occurrences of the word
[01:48:02] <joephantom_> however on my computer, since some days it doesn't do it
[01:48:21] <joephantom_> any idea if there's a config for changing this? or if it's a bug?
[01:49:02] <NoobFukaire> is it enabled?
[01:49:08] <NoobFukaire> there's a button that enables and disables it
[01:49:14] <joephantom_> have never used it
[01:49:19] <joephantom_> no idea where it is :P
[01:49:22] <NoobFukaire> Shift+Alt+Q
[01:49:26] <NoobFukaire> it's in the main toolbar usually
[01:49:31] <joephantom_> would you be kind and tell me where it's ? :P
[01:49:35] <joephantom_> let's see
[01:49:36] <NoobFukaire> it looks like a marker drawing stuff
[01:49:46] <NoobFukaire> Shift+Alt+O
[01:49:49] <NoobFukaire> i'm sorry, not Q
[01:50:18] <joephantom_> cool!
[01:50:22] <joephantom_> thanks! i'm an idiot
[01:50:29] <NoobFukaire> no prob, it's easy to miss
[01:50:31] <joephantom_> i didn't know it had a config
[01:50:33] <joephantom_> thanks!
[01:50:42] <joephantom_> i have used eclipse for more than 3 years :P
[01:50:47] <joephantom_> and never touch that button
[01:50:48] <joephantom_> lol :)
[01:50:50] <joephantom_> thanks NoobFukaire
[01:50:54] <NoobFukaire> np
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[02:02:13] <OterKurt> How do I ignore stuff from subversive? Team...Ignore doesn
[02:02:14] <OterKurt> twork
[02:03:19] <NoobFukaire> svn:ignore
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[02:08:16] <marcosRz> what is better svnkit or javahl?
[02:08:25] <marcosRz> for subclipse
[02:09:51] <OterKurt> svnkit, subversive... I know svn:ignore I just cant find anywhere to put it
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[02:10:14] <rcjsuen> in the past i've used svnkit, dunno about javahl
[02:10:55] <neekers> i am using eclipse/pydev on a django project and it works fine, when i set a breakpoint, and try it in the browser, the breakpoint is never hit, any ideas?
[02:11:09] <marcosRz> thanks guys
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[02:14:54] <marcosRz> use svnkit on subversive right?
[02:15:08] <neekers> anybody?
[02:16:16] <zematynnad> Has anyone had trouble installing new software or adding new sites on the newly released Ubuntu Karmic?
[02:17:18] <rcjsuen> depends what "trouble" means
[02:17:22] <rcjsuen> that's really vague
[02:24:13] <zematynnad> let me rephrase for clarity's sake:  Has anyone had trouble installing new eclipse plugins or adding new update sites on eclipse 3.5.1 and Ubuntu Karmic?
[02:24:36] <rcjsuen> that doesn't really provide any more information as to the "trouble" you're facing
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[02:25:28] <zematynnad> rcjsuen: I'm sorry :) I didn't realize you were addressing me.
[02:25:33] <zematynnad> Here's the trouble I'm having
[02:26:12] <zematynnad> hang on, let me get the exact steps for you
[02:27:43] <zematynnad> Help -> Install New Software, Add, Supply name and url click OK.   Dialog never goes away, nothing seems to happen
[02:28:14] <rcjsuen> zematynnad: what if you resize your window
[02:28:46] <zematynnad> I've seen that before, but that only works if I already have the site added
[02:29:04] <zematynnad> I was able to add some sites by exporting and importing
[02:29:18] <rcjsuen> you've seen what before exactly now?
[02:29:50] <zematynnad> I've seen that resizing the window will allow the plugins to appear when a site is selected for new software
[02:30:04] <rcjsuen> ~293804
[02:30:06] <Arbalest> Bug 293804 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293804 - Platform / UI / 4.0 - PC / Linux - CLOSED / DUPLICATE / normal / - Assignee: Platform-UI-Inbox - Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Eclipse 3.5.1 Galileo GUI gtk bug
[02:30:26] * zematynnad is reading...
[02:31:10] <zematynnad> hmm - that's not quite the same problem I'm having
[02:31:40] <zematynnad> I was able to get around the first problem by exporting from another machine and then importing the sites on this one
[02:32:01] <rcjsuen> I don't think there's an 'OK' button
[02:32:08] <zematynnad> but even then, after selecting the site and the plugins, once I agreed to the license agreement and clicked on "Next" nothing happened at that point
[02:32:41] <rcjsuen> yes that sounds like a diff problem then
[02:33:22] <zematynnad> I was wondering if maybe there was something in common that might be the culprit
[02:33:37] <zematynnad> I also moved an existing "working' installation from another box onto this one
[02:33:46] <zematynnad> Even with that I still had the same problem
[02:34:42] <zematynnad> I'm gong to try a different JRE to see if that might make a difference
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[02:42:59] <zematynnad> rcjsuen: OK, I got past the original problem by using the "export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=true"  hack mentioned in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=291257
[02:43:43] <zematynnad> rcjsuen: so I thought all was well, when I was getting towards the end of the plugin installation I got the following:
[02:43:45] <zematynnad> An error occurred while installing the items
[02:43:45] <zematynnad>   session context was:(profile=PlatformProfile, phase=org.eclipse.equinox.internal.provisional.p2.engine.phases.Install, operand=null --> [R]org.eclipse.ant.ui 3.4.1.v20090901_r351, action=org.eclipse.equinox.internal.p2.touchpoint.eclipse.actions.InstallBundleAction).
[02:43:45] <zematynnad>   The artifact file for osgi.bundle,org.eclipse.ant.ui,3.4.1.v20090901_r351 was not found.
[02:46:26] <zematynnad> close but no cigar!
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[06:07:28] <joephantom> i'm having a little problem
[06:07:33] <joephantom> since some minutes ago
[06:07:41] <joephantom> when i want to debug a project
[06:08:00] <joephantom> it says launching application 57%
[06:08:05] <joephantom> for almost a minute
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[06:25:29] <NoobFukaire> do you have a lot of data on your classpath?
[06:25:32] <NoobFukaire> I assume you're using java?
[06:27:28] <joephantom> Norm, c++
[06:27:30] <joephantom> cdt
[06:31:02] <joephantom> any idea?
[06:31:19] <joephantom> it doesn't work with debug, launching is fast as before
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[07:56:14] <NoobFukaire> FINALLY! eclipse is running inside eclipse!
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[08:18:27] <joephantom> ?!
[08:18:32] <joephantom> lol
[08:18:47] <joephantom> :@ don't understand why it takes a lot to enter to debug
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[08:30:39] <joephantom> don't know why it takes so damn long to debug!
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[08:41:27] <cichlasoma> hi. does one really need a plugin to enable word wrapping in eclipse? i thought on didn't need any...
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[08:44:34] <cichlasoma> aha... one can do it for Java editor, probably not for Python...
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[09:34:46] <WillPittenger> I am attempting to get 3.5 working.  I had been using Aptana Studio standalone, but that was based on 3.2.  People here suggested I switch to 3.5.  Well, now I am but I am getting the errors shown in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/680178 when I attempt to run it for the first time.  I am using the Java EE build.
[09:37:53] <WillPittenger> I tried deleting my .Eclipse and workspace folders.  That didn't help.
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[10:41:27] <WillPittenger> I am attempting to get 3.5 working.  I had been using Aptana Studio standalone, but that was based on 3.2.  People here suggested I switch to 3.5.  Well, now I am but I am getting the errors shown in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/680178 when I attempt to run it for the first time.  I am using the Java EE build.
[10:41:28] <WillPittenger> I tried deleting my .Eclipse and workspace folders.  That didn't help.
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[11:41:12] <PointMan> Ive created an eclipse plugin, and when I check it in another eclipse installation using the PDE runtime registry utility I see the plugin but it doesnt have my extension points, ideas?
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[11:51:05] <WillPittenger> I am attempting to get 3.5 working.  I had been using Aptana Studio standalone, but that was based on 3.2.  People here suggested I switch to 3.5.  Well, now I am but I am getting the errors shown in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/680178 when I attempt to run it for the first time.  I am using the Java EE build.
[11:51:12] <WillPittenger> I tried deleting my .Eclipse and workspace folders.  That didn't help.
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[12:09:13] <getBoa> Has anybody noticed any issue with eclipse galileo on linux?? some buttons in a few windows doesn't work, must of them are "Ok" and "Finish" buttons... so weird... any idea ?
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[12:10:01] <rcjsuen> getBoa: see faq in topic
[12:10:10] <WillPittenger> I am attempting to get 3.5 working.  I had been using Aptana Studio standalone, but that was based on 3.2.  People here suggested I switch to 3.5.  Well, now I am but I am getting the errors shown in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/680178 when I attempt to run it for the first time.  I am using the Java EE build.
[12:10:14] <WillPittenger> I tried deleting my .Eclipse and workspace folders.  That didn't help.
[12:11:05] <rcjsuen> PointMan: your extension points, you mean your exsd schemas?
[12:11:08] <WillPittenger> rcjsuen: I have asked several times now without a response. :(
[12:12:13] <rcjsuen> WillPittenger: could be a corrupted download, please don't ask the same question every hour ;p
[12:12:42] <PointMan> rcjsuen: actually I can apparently find the extension point even though its not visible in the pde registry runtime utility
[12:13:04] <rcjsuen> not rly familiar with that view, don't use it much myself
[12:13:14] <WillPittenger> It's the same download that I used before when I was still attempting to keep my preferences.
[12:13:37] <rcjsuen> your preferences have little to do with your eclipse installation, most of it is in your ws
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[12:13:49] <PointMan> however now I get the error: "Access restriction: The type IChecker is not accessible due to restriction on required library /Users/john/Desktop/eclipse/plugins/galjor_0.0.1.jar"  when I try to inherit from my IChecker object in my plugin
[12:13:54] <getBoa> rcjsuen: solved !!!   thanks...
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[12:15:28] <WillPittenger> rcjsuen: Like I said, I tried tossing the workspace.
[12:16:00] <PointMan> the IChecker interface is declared public..
[12:16:00] <rcjsuen> i said to do a new download, not try a new workspace
[12:16:16] <rcjsuen> I should say, I implied that you do a new download
[12:16:29] <rcjsuen> and untar in a new folder
[12:17:02] <rcjsuen> PointMan: well is the package exported
[12:17:18] <PointMan> exported..hmm good question :)
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[13:06:49] <bright> Hi, I can't seem to install ANY addons. Downloaded 3.5.1 SDK from ubuntu 9.10 repos.
[13:06:53] <bright> anyone have any ideas?
[13:07:35] <WillPittenger> rcjsuen: Well, the fresh download did the trick, but I have no update sites preinstalled again.
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[13:10:44] <WillPittenger> Where was that page you gave listing all known update sites?
[13:13:15] <WillPittenger> never mind.  http://ekkescorner.wordpress.com/eclipse/update-sites/
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[13:34:08] <WillPittenger> rcjsuen: Aptana by itself in 3.5 seems to work ok.  However, when I added more plugins, it stopped working.
[13:34:22] <WillPittenger> It is like Aptana can't find the plugin or something.
[13:37:51] <WillPittenger> I had replaced the previous contents of http://pastebin.mozilla.org/680198 with the new error message.
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[14:17:27] <joephantom> hi
[14:17:37] <joephantom> i'm having a really anoying problem
[14:17:45] <joephantom> when I touch F11 to go debug mode
[14:17:49] <joephantom> it takes a LOT
[14:18:05] <joephantom> it says "launching 57%"
[14:18:09] <joephantom> for almost 3 minutes
[14:21:23] <joephantom> i have reinstalled eclipse
[14:21:25] <joephantom> erased all files
[14:21:29] <joephantom> don't know what to do
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[14:26:31] <joephantom> i'm creating a hello world project
[14:26:36] <joephantom> and i'm having the same issue
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[15:22:54] <joephantom> i think is the debugger i'm using
[15:22:58] <joephantom> i manage to change it once
[15:23:07] <joephantom> how can i change it?
[15:23:09] <joephantom> to gdb?
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[15:25:06] <joephantom> argh!
[15:25:08] <joephantom> i have done it!
[15:25:22] <joephantom> there's a problem with the defaul launch debugger
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[15:35:13] <WillPittenger> joephantom: Feel free to debug the debugger. :\
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[15:41:26] <joephantom> WillPittenger, i'm having another problem rigth now :P
[15:41:52] <joephantom> don't know why the default launcher of the debugger in cdt takes more than 3 minutes to launch. now it works
[15:41:56] <joephantom> however i'm having another problem
[15:42:02] <joephantom> "invalid thread access"
[15:42:14] <joephantom> swt exception, from the subclipse plugin
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[15:46:20] <joephantom> found it
[15:46:21] <joephantom> http://subclipse.tigris.org/wiki/JavaHL#head-3a1d2d3c54791d2d751794e5d6645f1d77d95b32
[15:46:22] <joephantom> :s
[15:47:04] <getBoa> any idea fellows?  Plug-in org.teiid.designer.ui was unable to load class com.metamatrix.modeler.ui.wizards.NewModelProjectWizard.
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[15:57:35] <pc1oad1etter> I"ve been using Eclipse for a few months now and I just noticed that in one of my javascript files, it is showing an arrow beside the line number, that says "JS Breakpoint"  where is it getting this?  I'm not using eclipse to run the code -- and i didn't know it was possible to set breakpoints in eclipse
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[15:59:39] <Nurbs> pc1oad1etter: This most commonly happens to me if I accidentally double-click the line where markers (such as that arrow) appear. Just double-click to get rid of it again, if that's what you want.
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[16:01:27] <pc1oad1etter> hm.  double clicking doesn't make it go away.  now i see that it's in the context menu, but disabling in there doesn't stop it either.
[16:01:44] <pc1oad1etter> not a big deal though it just started me - maybe i double clicked
[16:02:09] <pc1oad1etter> it started me because it was the exact line i was looking for in the file (probably,i see, because i found it and inadvertently turned it on)
[16:02:17] <pc1oad1etter> *startled
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[16:17:36] <rhk> wow, the gtk button click bug is really annoying now that I've got unbuntu 9.10 installed
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[17:31:35] <joephantom> rhk
[17:31:39] <joephantom> you can solve it :P
[17:32:02] <rhk> I'm using the workaround now.
[17:32:05] <joephantom> rrhk http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=82894
[17:32:06] <joephantom> ah ok
[17:32:13] <joephantom> it's REALLY anoying
[17:32:38] <rhk> it was just the first chance I had to see first-hand what the bug was like. it make eclipse almost unusable.
[17:32:56] <rhk> and I spend most of my time in eclipse
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[17:41:17] <arthurh> Does anyone know if the SWT libraries for MacOS X do any weird manifest class loading, "magic" or the like?  if I make a simple app that has a main() and s.o.p Thread.currentThread().isDaemon() shows  false if the SWT jar isn't in the build path -- but true if it is.. no other code modifications..
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[17:48:39] <alankila> barf, this eclipse bug with typing >> 8 and having all lines under that indent wrong sucks
[17:48:58] <alankila> how can it be? Doesn't anyone else need to type >>?
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[18:08:51] <rcjsuen> bright: what do you mean you can't install?
[18:11:05] <rcjsuen> getBoa: That would highly depend on when exactly you're getting that error.
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[18:28:59] <getBoa> rcjsuen: I'm getting this error when trying to create a new Model Project
[18:29:02] <getBoa>   An error occurred while automatically activating bundle org.teiid.designer.ui (1171).
[18:30:31] <bright> rcjsuen: I installed eclipse from the ubuntu 9.10 repos. It's just the platform 3.5.1. It didn't have any update sites by default. I added the galileo one and also aptana addon. But none of the addons would install. It would stop at about 90%. I then downloaded the pdt eclipse from the eclipse site...it has default sites, but I can't install the aptana addon
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[18:43:06] <PointMan> where is the correct method in my plugin to initalize my app? Activator.start ?
[18:43:47] <rcjsuen> getBoa: dunno what a model project is
[18:44:19] <rcjsuen> PointMan: when your bundle is started/activated that's what would get called first
[18:45:07] <getBoa> rcjsuen: thanks anyway... im googling about it
[18:45:09] <PointMan> rcjsuen: ok thanks
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[18:45:56] <rcjsuen> getBoa: it sounds like your metamatrix whatever didn't get installed properly
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[19:11:33] <PointMan> um whats the simplest way to test that my extension is being run by a plugin by its extension point?
[19:11:55] <PointMan> shouldnt a System.out.println("foo"); turn up in the console window?
[19:12:05] <PointMan> if the method is invoked tha tis
[19:12:14] <rcjsuen> logically speaking
[19:12:16] <rcjsuen> or use a breakpoint
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[19:12:47] <PointMan> ah i could try that as well, thanks
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[19:52:31] <amac> anybody here who is working with egit/jgit?
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[19:56:30] <rcjsuen> amac: i've seen people but they're not around, why do you ask
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[20:03:31] <Guevara> hi, how to install swing on eclipse, i tried install use this link http://code.google.com/p/visualswing4eclipse/ and no have sucess
[20:04:12] <Guevara> evil_gordita: hablas castellano?
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[20:07:45] <Guevara> Nescafe: hablas castellano
[20:07:46] <Guevara> ?
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[20:20:43] <multiHYP> what happened to this link: http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/index.html
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[20:25:45] <multiHYP> is there a way to download the html documentation of eclipse?
[20:27:09] <rcjsuen> if you have the sdk you alrdy have it
[20:27:37] <multiHYP> really, boah, i was quite bothered to see the online version with the new design: http://help.eclipse.org/stable/nftopic/org.eclipse.platform.doc.isv/reference/api/index.html
[20:27:48] <multiHYP> the frames take up to third of my screen
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[20:31:02] <multiHYP> is there any info on mac specific/apple menu, because the old code that worked with swt 3.4 is broken on 3.5
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[20:50:42] <multiHYP> somebody scewed up with swt cocoa v3.5 onwards, because it uses non-existent cocoa libraries which lead to memory leak and application hang at startup, who should i spank now?
[20:50:52] <multiHYP> *screwed
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[21:01:57] <multiHYP> does anyone know a trick or way to allow resizing a swt window according to a certain aspect ratio?
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[21:06:40] <rhk> multiHYP: have you looked at the SWT snippets? there are several related to creating and sizing shells.
[21:07:37] <rhk> http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.swt.snippets/src/org/eclipse/swt/snippets/Snippet233.java?view=co
[21:08:42] <multiHYP> are you looking under shell subtitle, or where?
[21:10:43] <rhk> yes
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[21:12:13] <multiHYP> well, i probably try using a resizing listener, if such thing exists at all
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[21:13:01] <rhk> yes
[21:13:16] <rhk> I think it's a WindowListener
[21:14:23] <multiHYP> i hate eclipse since they moved beyond 3.4
[21:14:53] <multiHYP> they screwed up swt, the ide sucks itself specially under os x, it seems that the eclipse ide has memory leaks itself!
[21:15:10] <NoobFukaire> are you sure it's not cocoa or carbon? hahaha
[21:15:13] <multiHYP> i use the 32-bit cocoa, but boy it makes my macbook pro run hot!
[21:15:14] <rcjsuen> File bugs?
[21:15:28] <multiHYP> no point
[21:16:17] <multiHYP> there is the export part of it that doesn't work, it barely functioned properly in 3.4, not that is even broken... i don't know who to punch first, people behind swt or people behind the entire ide dev...
[21:17:29] <multiHYP> anyways, i boiled up because the classic version i just got, does complain and doesn't show the code assist when i write "shell.", it even shows me error!
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[21:18:06] <rcjsuen> are you using a new workspace?
[21:18:44] <multiHYP> yes, but the settings where there, i also checked under preferences just to make sure
[21:18:56] <rhk> I've not had problems like that when I've used eclipse on a mac
[21:18:57] <rcjsuen> dunno then, but yes i would be upset too
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[21:20:29] <multiHYP> see, if swt proposal under content assist is on/checked, and i have a shell variable in the scope, why doesn't it propse anything on the write of the ".", even after i bring up content assist with ctrl+space it acts as if i wrote something unknown!?
[21:21:08] <rcjsuen> swt proposals isn't for regular content assist completion
[21:21:34] <multiHYP> shell is swt component as far as i know
[21:21:48] <rcjsuen> there are swt proposals, and regular java proposals
[21:22:02] <multiHYP> well, it is something that was working 3-4 months ago under eclipse 3.4 and now it sucks!!!
[21:22:09] <rcjsuen> you're probably looking at swt template proposals
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[21:22:58] <rhk> you do have a classpath reference for SWT, right?
[21:23:35] <multiHYP> anyways, the eclipse community is moving towards the microsoft methodology, to allow/give users more and more and more options to fiddle with, at some point guys this methodology makes user go mad. i reached that point
[21:23:49] <multiHYP> yes, rhk of course
[21:23:50] <kulight> im having problem with the next button in eclipse when trying to open a new project or installing new plugins the "next" button wont respond
[21:24:01] <rhk> kulight: ubuntu 9.10?
[21:24:06] <rcjsuen> kulight: faq in topic
[21:24:47] <kulight> rhk, yes
[21:24:48] <multiHYP> funny thing is, the version of eclipse that had carbon swt libs and was way too old, 6 month-ish, isn't available anywhere!
[21:25:03] <rcjsuen> multiHYP: what version are you talking about
[21:25:09] <multiHYP> they replaced it with SR1 junk!
[21:25:36] <multiHYP> the version at which time the swt cocoa didn't exist
[21:25:44] <rcjsuen> that would be 3.4.x line then
[21:25:45] <multiHYP> ganymade
[21:25:47] <multiHYP> i think
[21:25:55] <rcjsuen> just check the epp site
[21:25:58] <rcjsuen> should still have old ones
[21:26:07] <rcjsuen> or if you want old classic/sdk builds, those are still lying around
[21:26:22] <multiHYP> i was so happy with that, i even cracked up the export functionality that would work under mac, even including extra libs such as swt...
[21:26:34] <rhk> kulight: I just installed it last night. It's an issue with GTK. http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ#Eclipse_buttons_in_dialogs_and_other_places_are_not_working_for_me_if_I_click_them_with_the_mouse._They_work_if_I_use_the_mnemonic_key_though.2C_what.27s_going_on.3F
[21:28:16] <kulight> rhk, so im not mad :)
[21:28:36] <rhk> kulight: no, and the bug is really annoying.
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[21:28:58] <kulight> rhk, i agree
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[21:29:10] <ruwen> hi
[21:29:46] <kulight> rhk, any workaround ?
[21:29:49] <ruwen> i am looking for the following thing: when i type .. i want to get it replaced by ->. any ideas how to do it?
[21:30:12] <rcjsuen> kulight: workaround in that link rhk provided?
[21:32:01] <kulight> rcjsuen, not really but the keyboard works
[21:33:30] <rcjsuen> either the workaround was done incorrectly or you have a different bug then
[21:33:45] <rcjsuen> tho this will probably only solve half your problems even if it did
[21:34:53] <kulight> ill just use the keyboard no time to figure this one right now may another time.
[21:34:54] <kulight> thank you
[21:35:24] <multiHYP> which one is it called on resize, SWT.Resize, or SWT.RESIZE or anything else maybe?
[21:35:39] <rcjsuen> i don't even think there's an SWT.RESIZE
[21:35:57] <rhk> gotta run
[21:36:00] <rcjsuen> and even if there was
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[21:36:04] <rcjsuen> it'd be 'Resize' one anyway
[21:37:08] <multiHYP> there is one, but i can't seem to find any event type that would really respond to resizing a shell
[21:37:54] <rcjsuen> i guess the style bit's for setting shell resize
[21:38:05] <multiHYP> nevermind, forgot to add the listener in the first place, too much c++, irritates me
[21:38:13] <rcjsuen> multiHYP: :o
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[22:05:13] <multiHYP> okay , i know now to some degree, who is to blame
[22:05:28] <multiHYP> swt cocoa version of the library sucks!
[22:06:04] <multiHYP> don't get it, stick with carbon, you probably won't need it until it reaches version 4, or in 2 years time, which ever comes first!
[22:06:27] <rcjsuen> cocoa was pretty much done in 3.4 -> 3.5 so itl'l be more buggy, yes
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[22:13:16] <multiHYP> i don't know whos fault exactly is, apple or eclipse, but either way it harms the end user (the normal developrs) tham it would benefit them from a native dialog, etc...
[22:13:37] <multiHYP> *than
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