eclipse IRC logs [October 12

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[01:58:47] <Yasumoto> hey guys, I've been looking at http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_write_to_the_console_from_a_plug-in%3F but I'm getting "MessageConsole cannot be resolved to a type" errors, so I think that I'm either not importing something or it might be out of date. Any suggestions?
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[02:19:30] <unomystEz> hey all
[02:19:38] <unomystEz> is there a better HTML editor than the default one?
[02:19:59] <unomystEz> the default one always assumes XHTML and the code formatting is horrible
[02:22:48] <nitind> unomystEz: Would you say formatting is your biggest complaint about it?
[02:22:56] <unomystEz> nitind: yes
[02:23:03] <unomystEz> it breaks up tags
[02:23:10] <unomystEz> and puts like > on its own line
[02:23:21] <nitind> unomystEz: Sure that's not an option in the preferences?
[02:23:26] <unomystEz> yup
[02:23:30] <unomystEz> I've tried many times
[02:23:43] <unomystEz> it should format it more like XML
[02:23:59] <unomystEz> plus I use HTML 4.01 not XHTML
[02:24:09] <unomystEz> and it's annoying how it code-completes </img> , etc..
[02:24:31] <nitind> unomystEz: What's the filename extension of the file, and the DOCTYPE?
[02:25:04] <unomystEz> .html and <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
[02:25:04] <RenatoSilva> what's the diff between Eclipse 3.5.1 and Galileo SR1?
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[02:25:54] <nitind> RenatoSilva: The same as any Eclipse release version and a simultaneous release, Galileo SR1 contains Eclipse 3.5.1, plus other projects (whatever version numbers they may be at).
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[02:26:27] <nitind> unomystEz: Very puzzling.  So are these the XML formatting preferences you're changing or the ones for HTML?
[02:26:31] <RenatoSilva> nitind: so by Eclipse 3.5.1 you mean the basic platform?
[02:26:36] <unomystEz> nitind: HTML
[02:26:49] <nitind> RenatoSilva: The Eclipse Project, which includes Platform, JDT, and PDE.
[02:27:04] <RenatoSilva> nitind: do you know why doesn't the about menu show the eclipse version anymore?
[02:27:16] <nitind> RenatoSilva: What does it show instead?
[02:27:43] <RenatoSilva> nitind: the build id only
[02:27:51] <alankila> RenatoSilva: is there really any harm to using the closed tags like <img/> even if the doctype is formally html4?
[02:28:30] <RenatoSilva> alankila: asking everybody is better than asking me ;)
[02:28:33] <alankila> For what it's worth, I've also discovered that the eclipse html editor is kind of stupid, like not knowing which tags are always empty ones.
[02:28:36] <nitind> alankila: It's not customary, plus it technically uses a little but more bandwidth.
[02:28:53] <nitind> alankila: What do you mean?
[02:29:07] <alankila> I mean that if I type <img src="foo"> eclipse inserts </img> rather than correcting the tag to empty one.
[02:29:12] <unomystEz> nitind: http://dpaste.com/105938/
[02:29:18] <unomystEz> I don't consider that to be very smart formatting
[02:29:25] <nitind> RenatoSilva: It's more useful day-to-day, and I can usually guess the version based on a build ID.
[02:29:47] <RenatoSilva> nitind: but I can't, and I want. That's very annoying man
[02:29:56] <FauxFaux> alankila: If you type /> instead of > then it doesn't.. it's unambigious and consistent..
[02:30:13] <alankila> yes, except for HTML4 where it apparently fails, if I just read ReantoSilva's complaint correctly.
[02:30:26] <alankila> um, that was unomystEz, sorry
[02:30:41] <nitind> unomystEz: I'm pretty sure that's the "Align final bracket in multi-line element tags" and "Split multiple attributes each on a new line" options from the Web/HTML Files/Editor preference page.
[02:30:55] <FauxFaux> <img src="a"/> isn't valid html 4..
[02:31:13] <nitind> alankila: It must think you're working on an XHTML document for some reason.  No XML declaration at the top, right?
[02:31:40] <unomystEz> ah
[02:31:42] <alankila> nitind: well, let's just say that this discussion is conflating a few too many simultaneous complaints into one ball of confusion.
[02:31:42] <unomystEz> I tried those
[02:31:44] <unomystEz> it seems to be better now
[02:32:26] <nitind> unomystEz: But yes, we know the formatting is, to put it lightly, terrible.  Problem is that redoing it the right way would mean having a person work on it for more than a full milestone.  But we're very aware of it, if that helps.
[02:32:43] <unomystEz> I see
[02:32:46] <unomystEz> didn't mean to bash it
[02:32:48] <unomystEz> it's a good editor
[02:32:54] <unomystEz> just had some nuances
[02:33:01] <unomystEz> but those options seemed to help a bit
[02:33:10] <unomystEz> plus i turned off auto insertion for all tags
[02:33:12] <nitind> unomystEz: Bash it if you want, silence doesn't help us make it better for you.
[02:33:14] <unomystEz> to make it more HTML-friendly
[02:33:46] <alankila> unomystEz: can you confirm that eclipse insists inserting </img> even for HTML4 doctype?
[02:34:02] <nitind> unomystEz: And that there's not a <?xml?> at the front of the file?
[02:35:04] <nitind> unomystEz: The "Typing" preference page under HTML Files can help with that.  You can disable specific smart insert functions.  Ditch the ones you find unsatisfactory, but keep the ones you like.
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[02:42:13] <alankila> incidentally, one other thing that irritates me with java content assist is the fact that I can have something like IFoo foo = new <ctrl+space> and eclipse doesn't seem to help me by listing only classes that implement that interface...
[02:43:15] <FauxFaux> alankila: That works for me.  It won't work if IFoo isn't imported, though, iirc.
[02:43:30] <nitind> It definitely sounds familiar.
[02:43:34] <alankila> hm. I haven't ever seen this work.
[02:44:05] <FauxFaux> In fact, it doesn't even seem to offer to create an anonymous... wait, wait, it can't be that smart.
[02:44:11] <alankila> if I type, say, List<String> foo = new <ctrl+space>, all eclipse can suggest me is List<String>.
[02:44:41] <alankila> of course, List isn't an interface, but anyway. Subclasses ought to be preferable to defining a new anonymous inner class
[02:44:43] <nitind> ...is that all that can go there?
[02:45:05] <alankila> you mean I should import, say, ArrayList first?
[02:45:38] <FauxFaux> Yeah, it doesn't pick up on subclasses.  I write new ArrayList<String>(); then ctrl+1 assign to local variable.
[02:45:46] <FauxFaux> Same result, same amount of typing.
[02:45:48] <alankila> um, and List was an interface. Sorry for confusion.
[02:46:07] <alankila> well, that's an useful trick
[02:46:53] <alankila> of course, that results in ArrayList-typed variables rather than List-typed variables... Ok, I just have to admit that there is too much to specify here if I want it to work just like I want it to.
[02:46:57] <FauxFaux> It's a workaround, but I've never been bothered to see if there's a bug or rfe on the bugtracker, 'cos it's not so bad.
[02:47:23] <alankila> It just turns up too often that I have an interface and I need to hunt all the classes for implementations of that interface.
[02:47:39] <FauxFaux> Click on it and ^t.
[02:47:40] <alankila> ctrl+shift+G is probably my friend
[02:47:59] <alankila> mm, type hierarchy. That's useful. Thanks.
[02:48:14] <FauxFaux> ^t again to get it the other way up.
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[02:48:35] <alankila> Still, there's -- imo -- just a bit too much work in getting something common like a List<String> x = new ArrayList<String>() up :-/
[02:48:52] <alankila> but with your trick and that ctrl+T I have something much better than typing it
[02:49:10] <alankila> thanks a lot, again.
[02:49:38] <FauxFaux> Mmm, if you accept the name of the local then you get a dropdown to select the type of the lhs, and List<String> is the second option, but it doesn't seem to work if you rename the variable.
[02:49:55] <FauxFaux> What I'd like is a fast way to write a for(ea:ch) loop.
[02:50:17] <FauxFaux> Currently I write for (int a:theThingIMean) then quickfix the int to the type. :/
[02:51:00] <FauxFaux> I know about the foreach template, but I don't know how to use multiple regions in the same suggestion.  Why do I not know this!
[02:51:16] <alankila> the type hierarchy neglects to list the interfaces implemented by the classes.
[02:51:33] <FauxFaux> Hit ^t again, while it's up.
[02:52:55] <alankila> well, it's really very useful to complain here about stuff. Excellent.
[02:53:11] * FauxFaux gets equally annoyed by these things. =p
[02:55:32] <alankila> the earlier karmic package had broken java content assist, don't know why it didn't find my webapp's classese, just the rt.jar's classes... One had the horrible realization that without content assist your programming speed is reduced to something like 1/10 of what it used to be. After less than 15 minutes I threw the karmic packages out and wasted another 180 MB downloading eclipse
[02:56:11] <alankila> tangentially, it's rather amazing how difficult it seems to be to package a working eclipse
[02:58:20] <FauxFaux> Yeah, I have no idea how the distros can't package a.. wait for it.. folder of files.
[02:58:50] <FauxFaux> I guess the package manager doesn't work if you install it system wide, has that been addressed?
[02:59:35] <alankila> you mean the eclipse updating? Doesn't it just put the updates to home directory in that case. I routinely write-protected the eclipse folder.
[03:00:12] <alankila> but then again, I haven't updated stuff for a long time either, seems that I'm quite happy to just replace the folder with new release.
[03:00:30] <FauxFaux> I thought it always wrote to eclipse/plugins, which'd probably be in /opt/?
[03:01:32] <alankila> hm, beats me, but I don't think at least debian's filesystem hiearchy stanard would allow globally writable directory to exist in such a place. I recall that when I used the 3.2 eclipse for a while that wrote into $HOME/.eclipse/something
[03:01:54] <alankila> I do have a distinct memory that some version of eclipse wanted /usr/local/.eclipse or some such directory to be world-writable
[03:02:05] <FauxFaux> Yeah, that's probably hacked in by the distro.
[03:02:17] <alankila> but I don't have such directory anymore, so I have absolutely no idea where the updates would be going right now
[03:02:20] <FauxFaux> Wherein lies the difficulty.  /me really has no idea, though.  Also, bedtime.
[03:02:29] <alankila> not that I'm going to install karmic's broken eclipse ever again just to take a look
[03:03:00] <FauxFaux> You are running with a man java, btw?  Gcj really causes actual problems.
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[03:04:29] <alankila> I avoid gcj
[03:04:46] <alankila> Amazingly poorly version of java indeed.
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[04:04:44] <black_13_> how do i address the issue "javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet; did you forget to inherit a required module?"
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[04:06:55] <nitind> black_13_: when you do what?
[04:08:40] <black_13_> nitind, maybe this would be better http://codepad.org/RQu3QEsO
[04:09:51] <nitind> Not that I have any idea what that represents, but did you forget to inherit a required module?  On that provides that class?
[04:10:31] <black_13_> nitind, probably did i wish i knew how to do that
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[04:17:52] <hugobraga> I'm trying to run Omnet++ (an Eclipse-based IDE) but I have some troubles. The IDE doesn't start. There's an error msg: Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display: assertion `atom != GDK_NONE' failed. My log msg accuses this error: java.lang.RuntimeException: Widget disposed too early!
[04:17:55] <hugobraga> Any idea ?
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[04:24:12] <NoobFukarie> hugobraga: enable the log: -log
[04:24:34] <NoobFukarie> I think something else is happening, the errors you mentioned aren't fatal themselves but I've seen them when apps are closing improperly
[04:31:05] <hugobraga> NoobFukarie:  My log msg begins with this msg:
[04:31:06] <hugobraga> !ENTRY org.omnetpp.main 1 0 2009-10-11 12:35:19.795
[04:31:07] <hugobraga> !MESSAGE OMNeT++ IDE 4.0.0.090310-10709 started.
[04:31:07] <hugobraga> !ENTRY org.eclipse.ui.workbench 4 0 2009-10-11 12:35:24.044
[04:31:07] <hugobraga> !MESSAGE Widget disposed too early!
[04:31:07] <hugobraga> !STACK 0
[04:31:08] <hugobraga> java.lang.RuntimeException: Widget disposed too early!
[04:31:31] <NoobFukarie> what os?
[04:32:02] <hugobraga> NoobFukarie:  archlinux
[04:32:10] <NoobFukarie> what does java-version say?
[04:32:15] <NoobFukarie> java -version
[04:32:34] <hugobraga> NoobFukarie:  java version "1.6.0_13"
[04:32:34] <hugobraga> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_13-b03)
[04:32:34] <hugobraga> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 11.3-b02, mixed mode)
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[04:43:28] <hugobraga> NoobFukarie: Any idea ?
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[04:48:52] <NoobFukarie> hugobraga: sorry n
[04:48:54] <NoobFukarie> *no
[04:49:03] <NoobFukarie> I'd contact the provider of the ide or whatever
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[05:01:16] <Lanlost_> I dont understand why eclipse falls apart so easily..
[05:01:34] <Lanlost_> so I finally got it installed fine (just extracted it in my home directory) after ubuntus old ass packages of it
[05:01:42] <Lanlost_> but I have to launch it by opening a terminal and ./eclipse
[05:01:54] <Lanlost_> so I made a launcher for it.. and then when it launches there are a billion errors again..
[05:02:15] <NoobFukarie> what version of java?
[05:03:49] <NoobFukarie> java -version
[05:05:55] <Lanlost_> 1.6.0.0
[05:06:03] <Lanlost_> it works fine if I go to the directory and ./eclipse
[05:06:25] <Lanlost_> I just dont see why I have to open a terminal every time and thus have two windows open
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[05:06:56] <NoobFukarie> sounds like something with your shell
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[05:08:16] <black_13> how do i add a new class to an eclipse project that uses HttpServlet
[05:09:46] <Lanlost_> dude, you touch this and it explodes
[05:09:50] <Lanlost_> I can't do anything now
[05:10:17] <black_13> shell? explodes?
[05:10:20] <Lanlost_> no, eclipse
[05:10:26] <Lanlost_> project -> clean
[05:10:30] <Lanlost_> gets an internal eclipse error
[05:11:08] <Lanlost_> eclipse.buildId=M20090917-0800
[05:11:08] <Lanlost_> java.version=1.6.0_0
[05:11:08] <Lanlost_> java.vendor=Sun Microsystems Inc.
[05:11:08] <Lanlost_> BootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86, WS=gtk, NL=en_US
[05:11:08] <Lanlost_> Command-line arguments:  -os linux -ws gtk -arch x86
[05:11:09] <Lanlost_> Error
[05:11:11] <Lanlost_> Sun Oct 11 23:18:45 EDT 2009
[05:11:15] <Lanlost_> Internal Error
[05:11:17] <Lanlost_> Java Model Exception: Java Model Status [gen [in HelloActivity] does not exist]
[05:11:19] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.JavaElement.newJavaModelException(JavaElement.java:502)
[05:11:21] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.Openable.generateInfos(Openable.java:246)
[05:11:23] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.JavaElement.openWhenClosed(JavaElement.java:515)
[05:11:25] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.JavaElement.getElementInfo(JavaElement.java:252)
[05:11:27] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.JavaElement.getElementInfo(JavaElement.java:238)
[05:11:29] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.PackageFragmentRoot.getKind(PackageFragmentRoot.java:477)
[05:11:32] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.ui.packageview.PackageExplorerContentProvider.processDelta(PackageExplorerContentProvider.java:645)
[05:11:34] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.ui.packageview.PackageExplorerContentProvider.handleAffectedChildren(PackageExplorerContentProvider.java:791)
[05:11:38] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.ui.packageview.PackageExplorerContentProvider.processDelta(PackageExplorerContentProvider.java:734)
[05:11:40] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.ui.packageview.PackageExplorerContentProvider.handleAffectedChildren(PackageExplorerContentProvider.java:791)
[05:11:45] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.ui.packageview.PackageExplorerContentProvider.processDelta(PackageExplorerContentProvider.java:734)
[05:11:48] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.ui.packageview.PackageExplorerContentProvider.elementChanged(PackageExplorerContentProvider.java:124)
[05:11:51] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.DeltaProcessor$3.run(DeltaProcessor.java:1557)
[05:11:53] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.core.runtime.SafeRunner.run(SafeRunner.java:42)
[05:11:55] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.DeltaProcessor.notifyListeners(DeltaProcessor.java:1547)
[05:11:57] <Lanlost_> 	at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.core.DeltaProcessor.firePostChangeDelta(DeltaProcessor.java:1381)
[05:11:59] <Lanlost_> whoooaa
[05:12:03] <Lanlost_> sorry, jesus christ I'm gone
[05:12:03] <Lanlost_> I wasn't planning on pasting that at all. Not even a single line of it.
[05:14:45] <black_13> any ideas on how to fix this: http://codepad.org/apXix0HO
[05:14:46] <nitind> Lanlost_: Sounds like your JDT metadata is messed up.  Somehow.
[05:15:54] <nitind> black_13: What tool are you running that creates this error output?  It doesn't resemble anything I've seen in Eclipse before.
[05:16:02] <black_13> jdk
[05:16:12] <black_13> but called from eclipse
[05:16:24] <nitind> black_13: What part of the jdk?  It still doesn't look familiar.
[05:17:02] <Lanlost_> nitind, it works fine if I launch it from the terminal, everything works flawlessly
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[05:17:15] <Lanlost_> the launcher I made is just ~/eclipse/eclipse...
[05:17:41] <Lanlost_> does the path its launched from matter?
[05:17:44] <nitind> Lanlost_: Could one of the scripts run by your terminal shell on startup change which java executable is used with Eclipes?
[05:18:12] <nitind> Lanlost_: Sometimes, depending on how it loads the native libraries for the widgets it uses, but I'm not sure it would manifest like this.
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[05:28:40] <Lanlost_> nitind> Lanlost_: Sounds like your JDT metadata is messed up.  Somehow.
[05:28:43] <Lanlost_> so what are my options?
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[05:29:52] <monkey> quick Q... just installed codesourcery, how do I configure eclipse to use that compiler?(in fedora)
[05:32:06] <nitind> Lanlost_: shutdown Eclipse, backup and remove the workspace's .metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.jdt.core/ folder, and restart.
[05:32:26] <nitind> monkey: It didn't come with instructions?
[05:33:46] <monkey> i searched google and their knowledge base, but I didn't come up with much
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[05:36:10] <Lanlost_> where the hell does eclipse store settings?
[05:36:18] <Lanlost_> I deleted all the workspaces and the .eclipse directory
[05:36:27] <nitind> A bit extremem.
[05:36:30] <Lanlost_> and it still asks doesn't start up like a fresh install. Doesn't ask me what workspace to use or anytning
[05:36:34] <RenatoSilva> whast os?
[05:36:41] <Lanlost_> Mint (Ubuntu)
[05:36:49] <RenatoSilva> .eclipse from ~?
[05:36:58] <Lanlost_> ~/eclipse/eclipse
[05:37:08] <Lanlost_> yeah .eclipse from ~
[05:37:09] <RenatoSilva> delete the metadata from your workspace, where is it?
[05:37:30] <Lanlost_> I already did /src/workspace/.
[05:37:42] <RenatoSilva> the ~/.eclipse is a secondary dir I think, it's not your workspace metadata
[05:38:07] <Lanlost_> I know that.. I was trying to delete ALL settings
[05:38:24] <Lanlost_> rm -r /src/workspace and rm -r ~/.eclipse
[05:38:35] <RenatoSilva> Lanlost_: what workspace is used is not obviously stored into the actual workspace, it's stored in your profile or in the eclipse dir
[05:38:52] <Lanlost_> good, I deleted /eclipse now too
[05:39:02] <RenatoSilva> Lanlost_: use the switch workspace option
[05:39:06] <Lanlost_> I figured it would be in .eclipse for settings..
[05:39:17] <Lanlost_> I'll just make sure to run it the first time this time from the launcher I made
[05:39:25] <Lanlost_> its just scary to think thta if I change anything the whole thing comes crashing down
[05:39:46] * RenatoSilva misses the context
[05:40:55] <RenatoSilva> Lanlost_: anyhow, there's the eclipse install dir, where some basic configs are stored, including the current workspace (if not there then in your ~, not sure)
[05:42:01] <RenatoSilva> Lanlost_: all other configs are stored under .dotted-dirs in your workspace, that in Linux is probably ~/workspace or so (not sure)
[05:42:32] <Lanlost_> seems to be working now
[05:42:53] <Lanlost_> they are in ~.. they were ~/src/workspace
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[05:44:05] <RenatoSilva> Lanlost_: your workspace is basically a default place for your projects (they can live out of it too, having just a "pointer" or link in the ws metadata), plus a bunch of settings about it, e.g. your local history of changes, IDE preferences, the imported projects tec
[05:45:53] <Lanlost_> yeah, that's why I put workspace in /src/ I already have all my src pre-eclipse there
[05:46:18] <Lanlost_> just for the sake of organization. But then again, I could have probably just used ~/workspace and had my source in /src then right? just don't know what the best option is
[05:50:19] <RenatoSilva> ws == config + projects
[05:50:43] <RenatoSilva> where config may include being aware of projects out of the ws
[05:51:59] <RenatoSilva> (windows) I personally have the workspace inside the eclipse install C:/Program Files/Eclipse/workspace, and my projects are in a variety of locations, but I have them imported into the workspace
[05:52:52] <Lanlost_> well as long as it works, I'm happy for now
[05:52:59] <Lanlost_> ill know in a second
[05:53:35] <RenatoSilva> good luck :)
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[08:08:00] <hugo> i'm new to eclipse. when i try to run a java code, eclipse says 'Editor does not contain a main type' but i'm sure it does have a main in it.
[08:11:24] <hugo> what does it mean?
[08:15:18] <nitind> hugo: Are you also in a Source folder of a Java Project?
[08:16:35] <hugo> nitind: sorry but what does it mean? i'm so used to vi + gcc world
[08:18:18] <nitind> hugo: http://help.eclipse.org/galileo/nav/1_2
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[08:23:17] <hugo> i think i'm in a source folder
[08:24:32] <hugo> cause the code window is active on eclipse
[08:25:08] <hugo> ah
[08:25:12] <hugo> 'src' directory?
[08:25:35] <hugo> moved my .java in 'src' and rerun and it worked
[08:25:47] <hugo> eclipse is still so cryptic to me
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[08:27:01] <hugo> any good eclipse tutorial for experienced programmers?
[08:28:07] <nitind> hugo: http://eclipsetutorial.sourceforge.net/ ?
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[08:29:09] <hugo> thanks
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[09:05:55] <Clemens_> Can anyone tell me where I can change the setting that tells me if I have to commit .class files or not ?
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[10:54:51] <ct529> hi!
[10:55:31] <ct529> now and then I need to add the file name to one file. Is it possible to do it by just clicking on a button or by pressing a key combination?
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[11:11:26] <ct529> For example, I often need to insert the name of the file, the date / time, the path in a file, but I can only do it by calling the file properties and copying and pasting, or by keying the various bits in through the keyboard. This is very time consuming and very prone to errors. Any clue?
[11:16:14] <erdal> ct529: there is no key-binding/command for that, you could program that yourself
[11:17:23] <ct529> erdal: It sounds very interesting, but I would not really know where to start from .... :( .... could you please give me some suggestions, or point me to some documentation?
[11:18:35] <erdal> ct529: use the menu contributions extension point, this assumes you know how to create plugins
[11:18:53] <ct529> erdal: ehmm .... :D
[11:19:14] <erdal> ct529: there are many templates ready to use, when creating a new plugin
[11:20:15] <erdal> ct529: try the "Hello World, command"
[11:20:47] <ct529> erdal: I cannot find "menu contribution extension points" in the help .... do you mean Platform Plug-in Developer Guide > Reference > Extension Points Reference?
[11:21:13] <erdal> ehhm, sounds you are not ready for that kind of task :-(
[11:21:58] <ct529> erdal: it sounds a bit above my level  .... :D (way above my level?)
[11:22:23] <erdal> i dont know what your level is
[11:22:58] <erdal> anyways, there are many tutorials avaialable for getting started with eclipse plugin programming...
[11:23:24] <ct529> erdal: mmmm .... it sounds like you also need to know java coding ....
[11:23:34] <erdal> yes
[11:24:16] <ct529> erdal: well, I do not at all .... I code in R mainly and in PHP and a bit of Matlab,  .... :(
[11:24:41] <ct529> erdal: I would have thought I was not the only person with that need ....
[11:25:06] <erdal> you could ask on the forums
[11:25:23] <erdal> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/
[11:25:30] <ct529> erdal: how do you build changelogs, or how do you mark modifications without those key-bindings? maybe there is another way ....
[11:28:13] <erdal> ct529: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/103202/is-there-a-macro-recorder-for-eclipse
[11:28:22] <erdal> maybe thats something for you
[11:28:40] <tstebut> Hello
[11:35:50] <tstebut> Hey, I wanted to know if somebody already imported a JDeveloper ".jws" project into eclipse
[11:36:22] <ct529> erdal: you know there are some variables that you can use in configuration like ${proj} .... is it possible to use those?
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[11:43:46] <erdal> ct529: i am not sure, sorry
[11:44:18] <ct529> erdal: thanks a lot for your help!
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[12:06:16] <lht> Hi all, I am using eclipse-pdt and I can't seem to list files starting with (dot) like .htaccess in the project explorer/php explorer
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[12:24:23] <jham> is the packet-merge algorithm not really implemented in UML2Tools? I mean, i can add the packet-merge element in the editor, but uml2tools seems not to resolve the class inheritance basing on packet merge. or do i mess something up?
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[12:25:56] <gnudles> hi
[12:26:18] <gnudles> I'm using cdt 6.0.0 and eclipse 3.5.1
[12:27:34] <gnudles> how do I link my project to another library (on linux)
[12:28:09] <gnudles> lets say libgl
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[12:42:26] <gnudles> like (undefined reference to SomeFunction)
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[12:47:51] <private_meta> gnudles: you Project Settings, GCC C/C++ Compiler, Settings, you should add the path to the header files of your libraries to the directories. then in the linker, add the library path and library you want to use. that should be enough
[12:48:25] <gnudles> I can't find the linker settings...
[12:49:07] <private_meta> Project Settings -> C/C++ Build -> Settings -> GCC C++ Linker -> Libraries
[12:50:11] <gnudles> there is no GCC C++ Linker entry
[12:50:29] <private_meta> What entries are there?
[12:50:32] <gnudles> all I see is Binary Parsers and error parsers
[12:51:19] <private_meta> Did you install the full CDT?
[12:51:27] <sphenxes> hi, i have build a hello world project (c++). it works fine and run without problem. My Problem is i must go several steps before running my binary file. 1. run 2. choose c++ application 3. choose project file name 4. apply then run. if i try run as: i get the java applictions only no c++? for few day i have had c++ application too but i have lost it. my question: how to run a c++ program in few steps.(newbie)
[12:52:12] <gnudles> I downloaded eclipse-cpp-galileo-SR1-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz
[12:52:29] <private_meta> sphenxes: Afaik you have to do those small setup steps the first time you run any new project. afterwards, it's pretty much the same, press the run button
[12:52:44] <jottinger> It's a good thing Eclipse is java, because Java's crossplatform and thus you don't have to do stuff like specify GTK, Linux, etc... oh wait
[12:53:27] <private_meta> jottinger: heh
[12:53:53] <jottinger> :P
[12:53:57] <gnudles> private_meta: ?
[12:54:03] <sphenxes> private_meta, thanks
[12:54:57] <private_meta> gnudles: http://download.eclipse.org/tools/cdt/releases/galileo/ <-- try install the full CDT, maybe something's missing, the CDT Version isn't really complete, it only has some parts of it in there.
[12:58:02] <gnudles> well... let's see if it will work
[12:59:41] <private_meta> Y'know, kinda funny, I actually came to this channel to GET help... didn't really get a single one of my problems solved yet >_>
[13:00:26] <jottinger> private_meta: what's one of your problems? (Who knows, I may be able to help)
[13:01:15] <private_meta> jottinger: oh, I worked around those problems, either using other systems, virtual machines or new installations of eclipse (because the installation i downloaded a day before didn't work out of the box)
[13:01:24] <jottinger> ah
[13:01:28] <jottinger> have you ever used Pulse?
[13:01:35] <private_meta> wazzat?
[13:02:00] <jottinger> http://poweredbypulse.com <-- a genuitec thing to help download/distribute eclipse builds
[13:02:47] <private_meta> hmm... I don't think it would be all to useful for me
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[13:03:12] <gnudles> it didn't work
[13:03:18] <jottinger> *nod* I find it horribly useful for when i use eclipse
[13:03:38] <private_meta> jottinger: How is it useful for you? I can't really see that right now
[13:03:49] <jottinger> I set up distribution profiles on pulse, and when I switch machines, whatever profile I'm using gets updated to match what I set up elsewhere
[13:03:56] <private_meta> gnudles: Which system?
[13:04:36] <gnudles> ubuntu 64bit
[13:05:09] <private_meta> hmm... funny... works on red hat based systems fine... colleague of mine had a problem like that on ubuntu too
[13:05:42] <jottinger> ubuntu is an ancient african word meaning "I can't configure debian"... *hides*
[13:05:45] <gnudles> in the older versions it worked fine for me...
[13:06:16] <private_meta> hmm... I'm using Debian, Ubuntu, RHEL, Fedora, Win7, WinServer, ...
[13:06:17] <gnudles> LOL
[13:06:49] <jottinger> private_meta: solaris, windows, linux here :)
[13:07:04] <jottinger> I prefer solaris but the rest of the team is on windows. Therefore: I'm screwed.
[13:07:36] <gnudles> the sad thing is that i'm using the beta
[13:07:39] <private_meta> jottinger: I'd prefer Windows, but I'm forced to use Linux
[13:08:06] <jottinger> private_meta: heh, that's unusual; most people prefer to use linux because they think it enhances their geek cred
[13:08:12] <gnudles> and the CDT version in the repositories doesn't match eclipse version
[13:08:33] <jottinger> (personally, I think it enhances the public perception that they have lots of time on their hands, but hey.)
[13:09:00] <jottinger> windows kinda sucks but it works well enough... and the value of a common platform is hard to overstate
[13:09:43] <private_meta> jottinger: My geek cred is quite high by using irssi and centerim while using windows, so that doesn't matter... anyway, My geek cred doesn't really matter, I want to use what works best for me... and that happens more often on Linux
[13:10:19] <jottinger> using irssi on windows is just dumb. :)
[13:10:21] <private_meta> gnudles: I never install Eclipse out of the Ubuntu repositories
[13:10:33] <private_meta> jottinger: I'm using it via putty, remoting to a debian server
[13:10:36] <gnudles> well, goodbye Eclipse, hello netbeans
[13:11:04] <jottinger> then that's not using irssi on windows - heck, I'm doing almost the exact same thing. Windows laptop, putty to a solaris machine, irssi
[13:11:04] <private_meta> ew
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[13:11:46] <private_meta> hmm... reminds me, I've got Eclipse on a virtual Machine here, in the background, xwindow forwarding, ssh to 127.0.0.1:sshport and forward eclipse to the desktop
[13:12:07] <private_meta> Eclipse via XMing is ugly tho
[13:12:19] <jottinger> heh
[13:12:22] <jottinger> I bet :)
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[13:12:34] <private_meta> gnudles: sorry not to be able to help much. Possibly you'd need the full gcc compiler, might be missing something, or build essentials
[13:12:37] <jottinger> Eclipse on solaris was horrible until they finally got the GTK port of SWT working
[13:12:50] <jottinger> Eclipse via Xt... ew
[13:13:09] <gnudles> no, I have build-essential...
[13:13:17] <private_meta> got gnome here, x11 forwarded eclipse works fine
[13:13:33] <jottinger> private_meta: yeah, I know
[13:13:51] <gnudles> well, gotta go
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[13:14:04] <jottinger> I normally run it locally, but I've done it over X too
[13:14:23] <private_meta> I can't run it locally, local and parallel debuggers don't work here
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[13:16:08] <jottinger> try netbeans instead! :)
[13:16:30] <private_meta> sure, for Parallel C++ Programming
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[13:17:00] <jottinger> *shrug* why not, Netbeans has a working C++ editor in it :)
[13:17:08] <jottinger> What are you doing for the "parallel" bit?
[13:17:25] <private_meta> define that
[13:17:33] <jottinger> define what?
[13:17:46] <private_meta> what do you want to know?
[13:18:12] <jottinger> You said (implied?) you were doing "parallel C++ programming," I was wondering what the "parallel" meant
[13:18:43] <private_meta> I'm using MPI, message passing interface, to write Parallel C++ Programs, to be run on Computing Clusters
[13:19:23] <jottinger> private_meta: ah. I use gigaspaces for that sort of thing.
[13:19:47] <jottinger> No CORBA but it's far smarter.
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[13:20:12] <private_meta> It's not freeware
[13:20:31] <jottinger> nope, it's not. It's low-cost (there's a community edition) but it's not free.
[13:21:05] <private_meta> Then it's not in our budget
[13:21:06] <ktlr> hi there, do somebody know where can i download jquery library to jseclipse plugin ?
[13:21:27] <private_meta> how about jquery.com?
[13:22:52] <private_meta> jottinger: Our budget consists of one-time hardware expenses and human resources. For more than that there's no money
[13:23:53] <jottinger> private_meta: *nod*
[13:24:06] <jottinger> private_meta: I wasn't debating whether you were making the right choice or not
[13:24:18] <jottinger> I'm neutral, and you know what you need and want far better than I do
[13:24:39] <private_meta> jottinger: heh... it's not like I've had much of a choice ;)
[13:26:05] * jottinger grins
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[14:10:11] <hugo_> when i try to run a bytecode, i get Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
[14:10:24] <jottinger> okay.
[14:10:42] <rcjsuen> calling it bytecode instead of program/class, is there a particular reason for this?
[14:10:54] <hugo_> no
[14:10:55] <jottinger> rcjsuen: err... completely different concepts
[14:11:08] <hugo_> i meant to say .class file
[14:11:10] <jottinger> bytecode is what java source is compiled into (specifically, what the VM runs)
[14:11:18] <rcjsuen> jottinger: Well, that's why I wanted to know.
[14:11:20] <jottinger> a .class file is a file that contains bytecode
[14:11:36] <jottinger> a program is what one sort of calls a collection of bytecode with a known start point
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[14:12:17] <rcjsuen> I guess the first question is whether the .class file physically exists, can you confirm this?
[14:12:23] <hugo_> so .class is bytecode + something more?
[14:12:27] <jottinger> no
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[14:12:52] <jottinger> a .class contains bytecode for a specific and individual class
[14:13:32] <hugo_> yeah, i'm sure there's class file
[14:13:52] <jottinger> hugo_: start over. Which class is not being found?
[14:14:04] <rcjsuen> Okay, so does it work if you your program from the command line?
[14:15:04] <hugo_> rcjsuen: no
[14:15:19] <hugo_> jottinger: one that I wrote
[14:15:39] <jottinger> hugo_: okay. How are you invoking it?
[14:16:08] <hugo_> java MyClass
[14:16:39] <jottinger> what package is your class in
[14:16:41] <Poddy> he might be missing a main method?
[14:16:50] <jottinger> Poddy: no, that's a different exception
[14:16:53] <rcjsuen> I think missing a main method has a different error.
[14:17:34] <hugo_> rcjsuen: no, main is there
[14:17:47] <hugo_> jottinger: no pakcage declaration there.
[14:18:00] <jottinger> hugo_: okay, what directory are you in when you do java myClass
[14:18:09] <jottinger> and you're not doing "java myClass.class", sure
[14:18:11] <jottinger> surely
[14:18:32] <hugo_> jottinger: directory where myclass is in.
[14:18:47] <jottinger> and your actual invocation, quoted, is "java myClass"?
[14:19:02] <rcjsuen> hugo_: Are you on Linux?
[14:19:17] <hugo_> rcjsuen: osx
[14:19:29] <hugo_> jottinger: yes
[14:19:42] <rcjsuen> hugo_: Please pastebin the output of 'find' and the full exception.
[14:19:54] <jottinger> hugo_: good, then rxvt copy/paste is easy. Pastebin the source, and then pastebin a shell interaction: "pwd" and then "java myClass"
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[14:21:19] <hugo_> http://pastebin.com/d70a94ea2
[14:22:27] <rcjsuen> And the output of 'find' and/or 'ls'.
[14:22:32] <hugo_> when i put it in a jar and run java jar, it works
[14:23:16] <jottinger> you left off the find/ls/pwd bits
[14:26:44] <hugo_> give me a sec
[14:28:08] <hugo_> http://pastebin.com/d2c920b67
[14:28:54] <jottinger> how are you invoking it in a jar, and what's the contents of myclass.java
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[14:36:52] <hugo_> jottinger: http://pastebin.com/d17ea27e0
[14:38:10] <rcjsuen> Your other classes need to be on the classpath too (like Configured).
[14:40:11] <hugo_> rcjsuen: it's in CLASSPATH environment
[14:40:37] <jottinger> does $CLASSPATH contain "."?
[14:40:45] <jottinger> (This is why one shouldn't use $CLASSPATH, BTW)
[14:41:19] <hugo_> jottinger: no, i doesn't
[14:41:35] <hugo_> oh, CLASSPATH is bad?
[14:41:47] <rcjsuen> Can't say I've ever done things that way anyway.
[14:42:05] <jottinger> hugo_: it's not BAD, but setting a global CLASSPATH tends to screw people up
[14:42:07] <rcjsuen> Putting things on the global classpath is asking for trouble.
[14:42:11] <jottinger> plus, never ever use the default package, okay?
[14:42:34] <rcjsuen> hugo_: Where is your jar?
[14:42:51] <hugo_> so what's the better way? javac -classpath ?
[14:43:06] <hugo_> rcjsuen: current direcotry.
[14:43:40] <rcjsuen> hugo_: I didn't see it whne you did 'ls' though?
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[14:45:25] <hugo_> rcjsuen: which is not in MyClass.
[14:45:39] <jottinger> hugo_: yes, or use maven or ant to build stuff for you
[14:45:51] <jottinger> invoking javac yourself is manly but not very productive in the long run.
[14:48:34] <hugo_> jottinger: ok, thanks. will take a look at ant or maven
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[15:01:17] <hugo_> how can i debug this?
[15:01:30] <rcjsuen> Why you can't run your program?
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[15:03:07] <hugo_> i don't know
[15:03:21] <rcjsuen> I'm asking, if that's what you are wondering
[15:03:47] <rcjsuen> You said "how can I debug this?", so I am requesting confirmation as to what "this" is referring to.
[15:04:30] <Echidna> can i get rid of the "installation details" button in the aboot dialog somehow?
[15:05:02] <rcjsuen> I don't think you can.
[15:05:14] <rcjsuen> You could check the code directly to see if it's created on-demand or not I suppose.
[15:08:14] <hugo_> rcjsuen: want to know why my own .class file can't be run
[15:08:33] <rcjsuen> you responded no to this question <jottinger> does $CLASSPATH contain "."?
[15:08:36] <rcjsuen> it is a classpath problem
[15:08:59] <hugo_> rcjsuen: i said i don't have it
[15:09:10] <rcjsuen> hugo_: That's correct, that is the problem.
[15:09:30] <rcjsuen> Your classpath needs to all the classes, your dependencies, and of course, your own code.
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[15:11:13] <hugo_> rcjsuen: is it okay to use relative path in classpath?
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[15:15:02] <Echidna> rcjsuen: where can i browse the source code w/o checking it out?
[15:15:48] <Echidna> nm, found it
[15:16:13] <rcjsuen> hugo_: I hope you're still not using environment variables.
[15:16:31] <hugo_> maven?
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[15:19:09] <hugo_> when i run it in eclipse it just works, btw.
[15:19:51] <rcjsuen> Probably because you have the classpath setup there.
[15:20:15] <hugo_> guess eclipse is automatically detect jar in the project and create right classpath settings for me
[15:20:53] <rcjsuen> Unlikely. There would have to be manual intervention at some point. Just putting jars in a random folder doesn't mean it'll take it.
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[15:26:21] <hugo_> rcjsuen: i imported existing directory from eclipse and it just worked.m
[15:26:40] <rcjsuen> import existing directory?
[15:27:17] <hugo_> rcjsuen: existing directory which contains many java code, jars
[15:27:28] <rcjsuen> you mean the import wizard?
[15:28:48] <rcjsuen> or making a new java project?
[15:28:58] <hugo_> rcjsuen: yes, imoprt wizard
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[15:29:11] <rcjsuen> That would imply that the project you are importing already has the settings preconfigured.
[15:30:05] <hugo_> build.xml?
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[15:31:10] <rcjsuen> hugo_: You imported the Java project from an existing Ant build file?
[15:31:38] <hugo_> i imported from svn
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[15:33:01] <rcjsuen> Anyway, I don't think this conversation is that important. Just use whatever build tool you feel like (I guess it is Maven in your case) and create your application and deploy the necessary jars to your users.
[15:33:31] <hugo_> how can i tell if a project is preconfigured or not?
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[15:34:06] <rcjsuen> If it has .project and/or .classpath files then it might be done. Depending on how you bring the project into Eclipse, Eclipse may analyze it itself.
[15:34:43] <hugo_> .project .class  is what eclipse creates?
[15:35:18] <rcjsuen> .project and .classpath files are from Eclipse.
[15:35:29] <hugo_> i don't know where i should start learning these so i asked those
[15:36:57] <hugo_> i heard more about ant than maven
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[15:44:26] <hugo_> looked at ant it looks too cumbersome maybe using eclipse is prectically mendatory in java world?
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[15:45:03] <iskywalker> hi!
[15:45:23] <iskywalker> i am developing a plugin, somehow it can't find the class, where should i put the jar file?
[15:46:03] <rcjsuen> hugo_: It would highly depend on the complexity of your application. Someone has to build your team's application...so someone has to write the build scripts. Unless you intend to just rely on the export wizard.
[15:47:05] <rcjsuen> ~tell iskywalker about dev-faq
[15:47:05] <Arbalest> iskywalker: Writing Eclipse plug-ins / RCP apps and don't know where to turn? See these FAQs - http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Plug-in_Development_FAQ - http://wiki.eclipse.org/The_Official_Eclipse_FAQs - http://wiki.eclipse.org/RCP_FAQ / Or look at EclipseCon talks/tutorials - http://www.eclipsecon.org/
[15:47:48] <iskywalker> it says in the plugin.xml Referenced class 'org.knime.ext.multilabel.MLAramLearnerNodeFactory' in attribute 'factory-class' is not on the plug-in classpath
[15:49:49] <hugo_> rcjsuen: my idea was to start with non-ide system and once i got the point, start using eclipse
[15:50:16] <rcjsuen> iskywalker: Is that MLALNF class from a jar?
[15:52:19] <hugo_> rcjsuen: sun's tutorial doesn't say building java apps is so hard
[15:52:36] <iskywalker> it is the plugin i am developing, so it is open in the workspace (i didnt build a jar)
[15:53:14] <rcjsuen> hugo_: As I noted, it'll highly depend on how complicated your program is.
[15:53:47] <rcjsuen> iskywalker: why did you say "where should i put the jar file", if you don't have any jars? :o
[15:54:06] <iskywalker> in the plugins oit is ther a jar ...
[15:54:19] <rcjsuen> hugo_: When I started programming Java in school we didn't start with anything. We used Notepad and the command line.
[15:55:02] <rcjsuen> iskywalker: I think screenshots would be better.
[15:55:27] <hugo_> rcjsuen: i thought that's better, because using 'wizard', without understanding what's going on background, is considered harmful
[15:56:09] <rcjsuen> hugo_: I have friends that think you should start with an IDE. Whatever you wanna do, it's up to you.
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[15:57:37] <mainiak> hello to everybody
[15:58:46] <hugo_> rcjsuen: want to learn how people manage this jars mess in a big project. better to dig maven/ant?
[15:59:31] <rcjsuen> hugo_: Knowing Ant/Maven in general is good for your career anyway.
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[16:01:02] <hugo_> i'd study ant cause it's standard
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[16:02:45] <Echidna> rcjsuen: i have a view where the parent has a ScrolledComposite with a FillLayout, which in return has a Canvas with a FormLayout
[16:02:52] <Echidna> i get a blank page
[16:02:57] <Echidna> is that possible in general?
[16:03:12] <rcjsuen> is that all there is?
[16:03:16] <rcjsuen> SC -> Canvas -> nothing?
[16:03:19] <Echidna> if i get rid of the scrolledcomposite, the canvas displays fine attached directly to the parent
[16:03:29] <Echidna> canvas has lots of contant
[16:03:31] <Echidna> content
[16:03:44] <rcjsuen> content like what
[16:03:46] <rcjsuen> child widgets
[16:03:50] <rcjsuen> ?
[16:04:21] <Echidna> another canvas and bunch of composites are children of the canvas
[16:05:39] <Echidna> maybe i need another redraw/layout call somewhere?
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[16:06:11] <rcjsuen> if that's what you're concerned about you could resize the view and see if it draws properly
[16:06:36] <Echidna> hmm nope =(
[16:07:14] <erdal> ScrolledComposite.setContent(yourCanvas)?
[16:07:24] <erdal> did you do that?
[16:07:29] <Echidna> yes
[16:08:02] <erdal> all parent composites have appropriate layouts?
[16:08:14] <Echidna> i think so
[16:08:17] <Echidna> http://pastie.org/651492
[16:08:23] <Echidna> heres the first part of the method
[16:09:24] <erdal> nice, you are using local code blocks ;-)
[16:09:42] <Echidna> yea, makes copy&paste faster
[16:10:21] <erdal> && better refactorings
[16:10:53] <rcjsuen> What if instead of a Canvas you just use a Button or something, does that show up
[16:11:05] <rcjsuen> or i guess a Composite with some other buttons/lbaels
[16:12:13] <mastro> Is there a list of plugins included in MyEclipse?
[16:13:03] <Echidna> toolkit.createLabel(scrolledComposite, "TEST");
[16:13:06] <Echidna> doesnt show either
[16:13:31] <mainiak> I would like to install egit plugin and on new project page is nothing for users. please see http://www.eclipse.org/egit/
[16:14:41] <rcjsuen> mainiak: try their google code website then
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[16:16:57] <mastro> mainiak: I installed egit: i cloned it and compiled it locally I while ago
[16:17:07] <erdal> Echidna: c2.setExpandHorizontal(true);
[16:17:08] <mainiak> rcjsuen: it is also outdated,  i was wondering if theres is any chances to donwload zip (for example) and install
[16:17:14] <mastro> mainiak: unfurtunately I didn't wrote down the steps I followed....
[16:17:15] <erdal> maybe that helps
[16:17:27] <Echidna> erdal: which is c2?
[16:17:28] <erdal> where c2 = ScrolledComposite
[16:17:32] <Echidna> ok
[16:17:40] <erdal> and vertical part, either
[16:17:44] <mainiak> mastro: no problem - I was wondering if there is any other way. but no problem for me
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[16:18:13] <mainiak> thx rcjsuen, mastro
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[16:18:41] <mainiak> mastro: did I have to install jgit also??
[16:18:55] <Echidna> erdal: yes, doing both vertical and horizontal made the canvas appear
[16:18:56] <Echidna> thx
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[16:23:34] <mastro> mainiak: mainiak yes you need both project
[16:24:00] <mastro> mainiak: you don't find references to jgit around.. just change the egit clone path to jgit and you'll get it :)
[16:24:17] <mastro> mainiak: egit project need better docs
[16:24:35] <mainiak> mastro: I have downloaded it already, but thx
[16:24:41] <mainiak> mainiak: indeed
[16:24:47] <mainiak> mastro: indeed :D
[16:24:56] * mainiak is little bit tired
[16:25:18] <mastro> mainiak: :) I downloaded it with the intent to help the project but then suddenly I changed project at work and I became with zero-spare-time
[16:25:59] <mainiak> mastro: that's sound like common story :)
[16:26:01] <rcjsuen> Did you guys clone it from the eclipse.org repository?
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[16:26:39] <mastro> rcjsuen: don't remember.. I cloned from the official git-repository
[16:26:45] <mainiak> rcjsuen: 	git://egit.eclipse.org/egit/parallelip-jgit.git
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[16:26:49] <mastro> rcjsuen: I think it's inside the eclipse.org now
[16:26:57] <rcjsuen> okay i recall some ssh issues
[16:27:03] <rcjsuen> but maybe that doesn't matter if you're not a committer
[16:27:08] <rcjsuen> thx for the info
[16:27:12] <mainiak> np
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[16:29:24] <mainiak> mastro: so If my thought is right, so I need to compile it?
[16:29:43] <mainiak> mastro: and also I need installed git (msysgit) or that's solved by jgit?
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[16:31:17] <mainiak> sorry guys, but installing plugins compiling way it really painfull :(
[16:31:27] <mastro> mainiak: should all be inside jgit but i'm not 100% sure about it.. i've git installed here so I don't really know if it is using it or not (i'm on linux -> no msysgit here)
[16:31:31] <mainiak> s/it really/it's really/
[16:31:53] <mainiak> mastro: I am also linux user, but need for windows one
[16:31:53] <rcjsuen> wouldn't you need git to clone it for starters?
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[16:32:39] <mainiak> rcjsuen: I have git - but if compile it, I have jars and don't need it, don't i?
[16:33:02] <rcjsuen> I was of the impression egit wasn't mature enough and you'd still need to revert to command line for some operations.
[16:33:46] <mastro> rcjsuen: hum.. yes.. and thats why I stepped in to help the project :)
[16:34:12] <mainiak> rcjsuen: if basic pull, push, commit, checkout works - I don't care
[16:34:37] <mainiak> and unfortunately don't have time to support project, srry
[16:35:43] <mainiak> rcjsuen: there is not simple way to install it for common users?
[16:36:34] <rcjsuen> Most people seem to say the builds are not up-to-date.
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[16:39:43] <mainiak> rcjsuen: found make_jgit.sh -> 88 errors on compilation
[16:39:50] <mainiak> great :-/
[16:40:18] * mainiak is thinking about setting up git server acting as cvs and setting up eclipse with cvs plugin
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[16:53:22] <mainiak> thank you, mastro, rcjsuen. I am leaving
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[17:10:32] <sleon_> mainiak reads as maniak
[17:10:36] <sleon_> ...
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[17:33:45] <iskywalker> hi! i nned to add a external .jar file to my plugin project, how do i do that?
[17:35:03] <rcjsuen> iskywalker: did you read the FAQ Arbalest linked to you earlier?
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[17:52:21] <iskywalker> ok got it build.properties was wrong
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[18:18:40] <tasslehoff> Are there any plugins out there that can make Eclipse create CMake files?
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[18:34:05] <alephnull> Can eclipse be configured to preserve ownership of files that it edits via ssh/scp ?
[18:35:17] <alephnull> The file is owned by another user in the same group and g+w has been set on the file. When I save the file with eclipse, the file now becomes owned by me.
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[19:28:45] <rhk> isn't the "eclipse-examples" plugin someplace where I can get it using P2? or is it just a download that has to be put in the dropins?
[19:30:08] <rcjsuen> Think the latter.
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[19:44:34] <rhubarb> anybody having trouble with the Subversive svn plugin with Galileo?
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[19:50:32] <NoobFukarie> Do any of you ibmers know where to find info on ibm's jvm?
[19:50:45] <NoobFukarie> I'm interested in if it has any built in SIMD capabilities
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[19:54:41] <dilton> NoobFukarie: I guess AlphaWorks would be a good place to start - search on "ibm java"
[19:54:52] <NoobFukarie> yeah obviously I've already done that
[19:56:49] <NoobFukarie> I wonder if the IBM jvm just uses a licensed version of hotspot
[19:58:21] <rcjsuen> NoobFukarie: What gives you that impression?
[19:59:45] <NoobFukarie> Well it's a fairly big codebase, it would be easier and more cost effective to just license a known good implementation
[19:59:58] <NoobFukarie> especially when it's the reference one
[20:01:23] <rcjsuen> well, the classlibs is a big piece of code too ;p
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[20:14:28] <NoobFukarie> true
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[20:20:51] <h3x> so I upgraded my java6u6 to java6u16
[20:21:01] <h3x> and my eclipse freezes
[20:21:14] <h3x> on the "Loading workbench" screen
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[20:22:24] <h3x> can anyone help me out?
[20:22:44] <NoobFukarie> have you tried creating a new workspace?
[20:23:08] <h3x> I cant because it freezes on the splash screen
[20:24:20] <rcjsuen> ./eclipse -data ~/other-workspace
[20:24:40] <h3x> i'll try that
[20:26:11] <h3x> dude!
[20:26:16] <h3x> your the man
[20:26:32] <h3x> why would that happen over a simple java upgrade?
[20:27:34] <rcjsuen> difficult to say, there is no evidence at the moment to support that this was caused by that
[20:29:13] <rcjsuen> I'll take that back. I should say there is too little information to determine whether it was the cuase or not.
[20:29:49] <h3x> everything was good and I was happily typing code then I decide to do a java upgrade via rpm and boom eclipse starts to freeze on me
[20:30:02] <h3x> very strange
[20:31:26] <rcjsuen> only way to know who be to get thread dumps i guess, or at least, would be a start
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[20:33:02] <h3x> so how do I reconnect to my old workspace?
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[20:35:34] <h3x> so it seems that my old workspace is damaged or something
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[20:36:26] <h3x> is something wrong with .metadata ?
[20:37:07] <rcjsuen> possibly, a thread dump would be required for analysis for starters
[20:37:23] <h3x> how do I get a thread dump?
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[20:37:34] <rcjsuen> ~deadlock
[20:37:34] <Arbalest> In a deadlock? http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/How_to_report_a_deadlock
[20:39:35] <h3x> where is this ~deadlock file?
[20:39:35] <Arbalest> In a deadlock? http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/How_to_report_a_deadlock
[20:39:58] <rcjsuen> There's no file, the wiki page has instructions for creating a dump.
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[20:41:45] <h3x> eclipse -consolelog -debug
[20:41:51] <h3x> would that be enough?
[20:42:19] <h3x> I'm at work and I just need to fix this asap
[20:44:24] <rcjsuen> That might provide some information.
[20:44:33] <h3x> ok
[20:44:37] <rcjsuen> If you're in a hurry you could just downgrade back
[20:44:42] <rcjsuen> and see if the older one runs, no?
[20:46:39] <h3x> http://pastebin.ca/1616170
[20:46:48] <h3x> thats where it freezes at
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[20:48:48] <rcjsuen> Couldn't you just checkout your projects into a new workspace and work from there?
[20:49:52] <rcjsuen> The logs show nothing interesting, you'd be better off using jstack, though I'm not necessarily convinced this is something that can be fixed easily.
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[20:50:53] <h3x> no svn at this place
[20:51:11] <h3x> I'm going to just copy and paste my code to the new workspace
[20:51:25] <h3x> I just dont want to copy the "corruption" over
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[21:06:14] <elvedin> I have ClassA and ClassATester and both are public as well as in the same package. Why would Eclipse (and when running as JUnit test) fail to recognize that?
[21:06:29] <rcjsuen> What do you mean "fail to recognize"
[21:08:44] <elvedin> A suggestion is to import the class as if it cannot see it, but they're in the same package so even after doing an import, it doesn't make any difference
[21:09:06] <rcjsuen> Screenshots?
[21:09:42] <h3x> fixed
[21:09:46] <h3x> thanks dude
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[21:12:05] <nitind> elvedin: What package?  Not the default package, right?
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[21:12:45] <mxgb> hi guys...anyone here who has worked with RAP?
[21:12:55] <elvedin> Nope
[21:13:12] <elvedin> Uploading screenshot...
[21:13:23] <mxgb> or SWT?
[21:13:37] <rcjsuen> mxgb: probably more SWT people than RAP people here
[21:14:01] <mxgb> cool...cuz i think the first step in developing rap apps is learning a bit about swt anyways
[21:14:22] <mxgb> the trouble is i cant figure out how or where the swt development modules are in my eclipse setup
[21:14:26] <rcjsuen> well it uses the same API in many cases anyway
[21:14:30] <elvedin> http://sysadmin.ods.org/eclipse.jpg
[21:14:40] <mxgb> i've got the standard galileo
[21:15:17] <rcjsuen> elvedin: Did you try cleaning your project close/eopen?
[21:15:39] <mxgb> i remember a while ago when i last tried to play with swt there were a few options in 'New...' where i could see SWT related stuff
[21:15:41] <mxgb> not anymore
[21:15:43] <rcjsuen> and what's with those white entries
[21:16:13] <rcjsuen> or instead of white, I should say "blank"
[21:16:18] <elvedin> I close/open project and exited eclipse
[21:16:28] <rcjsuen> Did you try cleaning also?
[21:16:29] <elvedin> Secret package names
[21:16:44] <elvedin> Start Eclipse with the -clean flag?
[21:16:50] <rcjsuen> Project > Clean
[21:17:12] <elvedin> Looks like that did it
[21:17:14] <nitind> elvedin: So configuration isn't the package name?
[21:17:25] <elvedin> It is the package name
[21:18:39] <rcjsuen> mxgb: I'm not familiar with any wizards with "SWT" i n tiehr names.
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[21:19:51] <mxgb> hmm...so how do i get started with swt-rcp app
[21:20:24] <rcjsuen> mxgb: http://www.vogella.de/articles/RichClientPlatform/article.html
[21:20:51] <mxgb> thanks rcjsuen
[21:21:24] <rcjsuen> there are several tutorials online i believe
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[21:28:26] <mxgb> yea there are quite a few but none as coherent as, say, GWT or Swing
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[21:33:57] <Aemis> how use hibernate in eclipse ganymede?
[21:35:19] <Aemis> i'm a student and the teacher uses Netbeans but.. i like so much eclipse :~
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[21:37:34] <Aemis> :/
[21:37:38] <dominikg> Aemis, i'd recommend to use netbeans if the teacher does ... it's just so much easier to follow the examples, pick up assignments (if they come as netbeans projects) etc. ... after all it's just for class, so it doesn't matter that much. You can keep using eclipse for your own stuff
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[21:39:41] <Aemis> i know what this is too easy to learn.. but.. you don't know an eclipse's tutorial what i have to study this? (sorry by bad english)
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[21:41:58] <dominikg> there are plenty of tutorials out there, just google for some keywords and you'll find them. Also check the eclipse help, there are some guides/tutorials in there aswell.
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[21:43:04] <Aemis> i see this, but no one of them work here
[21:43:25] <Aemis> since 09/10 i have tried this
[21:43:35] <Aemis> google, hibernate.org, eclipse.org
[21:43:42] <Aemis> and must various plugins
[21:44:04] <Aemis> but.. no one of this.. work very well like as tutorials in the net..
[21:44:42] <Aemis> it's works diffent  of them (sorry again )
[21:44:49] <Aemis> *different
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[21:48:33] <nitind> Aemis: http://eclipsetutorial.sourceforge.net/ ?
[21:51:56] <Aemis> let's see this =)
[21:54:12] <Aemis> anyone is from brazil here?
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[21:56:27] <YuLin> hi there
[21:56:35] <Aemis> hi
[21:57:01] <YuLin> I'm sorry to bother you, I guess the question must've been asked several times, however I can't find relevant things on Google
[21:57:04] <YuLin> so, here it comes:
[21:57:27] <YuLin> I'd like to launch my application within Eclipse using the Debug mode
[21:57:30] <YuLin> and it says "cannot connect to VM" :(
[21:58:09] <YuLin> at first I was using GCJ but then I switched my project to be using Sun JRE
[21:58:23] <YuLin> but same thing happens
[21:58:26] <YuLin> any idea?
[21:59:42] <rcjsuen> YuLin: you'd have to provide more ~info I think
[21:59:42] <Arbalest> Please state a) your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), b) operating system (Windows, Linux, OSX, etc.), c) your Java runtime environment (please verify by checking your ~logs or in the about dialog's ~jre section. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), d) your Eclipse version, and e) where did you get Eclipse from (eclipse.org, distro repository, etc.).
[22:01:51] <YuLin> a) x86, b) Linux (Ubuntu), c) Sun Java 6, d) Eclipse 3.2.2, e) apt-get (Official Ubuntu repositories)
[22:03:16] <rcjsuen> YuLin: 3.2.2 is 3 years old fyi
[22:04:06] <YuLin> fyi, I'm not packaging Eclipse for Ubuntu
[22:04:10] <YuLin> didn't know that, then
[22:04:37] <rcjsuen> YuLin: Rest assured you're not the first.
[22:05:07] <YuLin> is the packager for Eclipse dead in front of his computer? oO
[22:06:22] <rcjsuen> YuLin: they're working on it, you can talk to them on #eclipse-linux if you want
[22:09:56] <rcjsuen> YuLin: In the meantime, I suggest you download from eclipse.org directly and untar and go.
[22:10:08] <YuLin> rcjsuen, I'll do that, yes
[22:10:09] <YuLin> thanks
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[22:22:16] <rawblem> i've heard that eclipse comes with JSCH. Is this true? Where is the library / what plugin is it in so that I can make use of it?
[22:22:53] <rcjsuen> isn't it just org.eclipse.jsch or something
[22:23:05] <rcjsuen> com.jcraft.jsch_0.1.41.v200903070017.jar
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[22:23:06] <rcjsuen> or maybe not
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[22:23:39] <rawblem>  ah maybe
[22:23:48] <rawblem> ugh i hate mondays
[22:23:50] <rawblem> feel so ridiculous
[22:24:06] <jihedamine> Hi. Even thought src/main/resources isn't included in my projet build path source folders, eclipse is copying the files it contains on the compiled classes output folder. How to fix this please ?
[22:24:31] <rawblem> hrmmm even still... not quite sure how to use it
[22:25:01] <rcjsuen> rawblem: Isn't that a matter of reading jsch's javadoc? :o
[22:25:15] <rawblem> rcjsuen,  i don't mean how to use jsch, i mean how to access it's api's and if just adding the jsch plugins to my manifest.mf is enough
[22:25:22] <rawblem> but after that then yes you're right ;)
[22:25:30] <rcjsuen> i imagine that's what it would take
[22:26:23] <rawblem> well the jsch plugins don't actually include the library that I can see so far
[22:26:49] <nitind> jihedamine: Is src/main or src itself defined as a source folder?
[22:26:57] <rcjsuen> rawblem: What do you mean?
[22:27:04] <rcjsuen> my jar has class files in it
[22:27:27] <rawblem> yes but only a few it seems ;) i don't see the entire library there
[22:27:58] <rawblem> i only see 20 classes in it entirely and i'm quite sure jsch is more than 20 classes ;)
[22:28:09] <rcjsuen> rcjsuen@ivalice ~/eclipse/plugins $ jar -tf com.jcraft.jsch_0.1.41.v200903070017.jar  | wc -l
[22:28:09] <rcjsuen> 130
[22:28:13] * rcjsuen shrugs.
[22:28:13] <rawblem> and i don't see a link to the jar / full library
[22:28:14] <rawblem> eh?
[22:28:16] <rawblem> ........
[22:28:21] <nitind> rawblem: wrong plug-in?
[22:29:17] <rawblem> ok yeah wrong plugin. was looking at org.eclipse.jsch.etc
[22:29:44] <rcjsuen> okilydokily
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[23:00:37] <luyang> Wow why didn't I join this channel before
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[23:01:32] <luyang> I have simple questions. 1: How can I change classes from being inheritance to composition via automatic refactoring? 2: Which is the best plugin for JAX-WS development for Apache Tomcat 6 and Java 1.5 inside Eclipse Galileo SR1?
[23:09:00] <luyang> no answer?
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[23:19:08] <luyang> zzz
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[23:22:11] <luyang> ok So I'm going for SOA Tools Platform, STP
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