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[01:04:00] <sebrock> Hi, I got an issue with eclipse jumping into the background whenever I try to tab-switch to it
[01:04:09] <sebrock> running on a mac
[01:04:33] <sebrock> I have to do the switch twice in order for it to stick to the front... anyone seen this?
[01:05:30] <sebrock> also if someone could guide me to how to speed write certain stuff, like System.out.print... I've known this but forgot it
[01:08:35] <sebrock> I remember writing something that was unique and then substitutes with the real statement... like sysopr -> System.out.print
[01:18:26] <sebrock> err my first issue seems to be fixed with new updates
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[03:51:54] <kevinluikens> Hi, I'm using 3.6M2 and writing some code in C. Eclipse is underlining a few lines telling me I have syntax errors (question marks on the left side) but has no details. Anyone know how I could get more info? Am I missing a package?
[03:53:23] <rcjsuen> You could try looking at the 'Problems' view.
[03:53:56] <kevinluikens> I have that open, but these aren't registering.
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[03:54:41] <kevinluikens> They don't seem to be explicit 'Warnings', but are marked with question marks. The file in the 'Project Explorer' shows it normal, without warning or error icons.
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[05:52:09] <Rondo> Anyone know how to make Eclipse focus on the console window after I press run?
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[09:52:14] <bushwakko> I'm looking for an osgi bundle for equinox, not for use with eclipse, but just a general one with a console interface
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[09:57:28] <bushwakko> where can I get 3.6M2?
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[10:52:23] <duplo> Are the update sites down?
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[11:17:24] <revo> in eclipse when i put the focus in a field, the others instance of this field are highlighted
[11:17:52] <revo> how it works in jdt ? i want to add it in my text editor
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[11:38:45] <erdal> eclipse cvs seems to have problems...
[11:39:22] <erdal> (dev.eclipse.org cvs repository)
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[11:56:00] <neoclone> anyone debugged  C code with pthread and fork in eclipse?
[11:56:16] <neoclone> does not stop at breakpoint placed in the child process
[11:56:37] <neoclone> even if wait() in parent
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[12:47:06] <Aleph_One1> When using TableViewer as a list (not adding any columns), is it possible to get the list to fill the whole width instead of having a non-existing column taking space and making the selection not look like SWT.FULL_SELECTION ?
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[13:34:00] <jham> sorry, is the newsgroup server down?
[13:34:44] <jham> i get connection time out
[13:35:54] <jham> oh, now i can download some message headers. but pretty slow.
[13:36:27] <roaet> same with bugs.eclipse.org
[13:36:55] <jham> argh..
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[13:37:52] <roaet> woo..
[13:37:54] <roaet> it's pretty slow
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[13:43:56] <Kira> Wow, the JEE developers Cocoa 64-bit torrent is REALLY slow...
[13:48:21] <Kira> How can there be only 7 peers? This makes no sense.
[13:48:36] <Kira> Shouldn't people prefer BitTorrent over HTTP?
[13:48:50] <revo> yes
[13:49:08] <paulweb515> Kira: depends on where (for example, I can't use bit torrent at work, it's a corporate no-no for us :-)
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[13:51:07] <psst> I'm running an ant build in ganymede on OS X Leopard, and I see that it is getting a minimal path.  Where would I need to change the path that Eclipse runs its ant subprocesses with?
[13:51:35] <Kira> paulweb515: I guess not many JEE Developers users are Snow Leopard users.
[13:51:58] <Kira> paulweb515: the Windows torrent probably has a much larger flock.
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[14:15:33] <Kudd> paulweb515? you here?
[14:15:50] <Kudd> I don't succeed to update eclipse
[14:18:55] <paulweb515> Kudd: I'm here
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[14:19:20] <Kudd> http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.5/R-3.5.1-200909170800 i've tried that
[14:20:00] <Kudd> but it doesn't find any update
[14:20:06] <Kudd> it does when I do http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.5
[14:20:41] <paulweb515> Kudd: The foundation is hovering around 150% bandwith utilization.  There's some timeout problems, I think
[14:20:47] <Kudd> lol
[14:20:49] <Kudd> okay
[14:20:57] <Kudd> it does that everytime they do an update?
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[14:21:01] <paulweb515> And believe me, they added extra bandwidth
[14:21:07] <Kudd> I do
[14:21:26] <paulweb515> Kudd: it does happen ... Some of the mirrors haven't come online properly, it sounds like
[14:21:34] <Kudd> okay
[14:22:00] <paulweb515> Kudd: The URL you pasted is a valid repository ...
[14:22:06] <Kudd> the first one?
[14:22:07] <rcjsuen> bushwakko: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/ the standard launcher + osgi jar should be enough to have an OSGi console i believe
[14:22:27] <paulweb515> Kudd: yes ... you'll get a 404 if you type it into a web browser though
[14:22:29] <rcjsuen> revo: That's done via annotations AFAIK.
[14:22:33] <Kudd> yeah paulweb515
[14:22:53] <rcjsuen> Aleph_One1: That kinda annoyed me but I think that's the OS behaviour.
[14:23:30] <revo> rcjsuen it's not with SemanticHighlighting ?
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[14:23:45] <rcjsuen> revo: semantic highlighting probably makes use of jface annotations, so same thing i guess
[14:24:04] <rcjsuen> i'm just saying it's done by jface annotations, whether the class is called SemanticHighlighting or whatever is not entirely relevant
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[14:25:32] <revo> rcjsuen ok
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[14:28:58] <Aleph_One> rcjsuen: ok i see. Well changing to a TreeViewer seems to solve the problem, but instead i get an indention that i don't want. Perhaps this is possible to disable?
[14:29:12] <rcjsuen> I think not.
[14:29:26] <Aleph_One> ok
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[14:36:52] <njbartlett> What's the status of VEP these days? Seems the download links are dead and the update site doesn't work in 3.5
[14:37:19] <bushwakko> rcjsuen: but does it have obr commands?
[14:38:34] <rcjsuen> bushwakko: No idea.
[14:38:48] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: download link should be vep instead of /ve/ or something like that
[14:39:01] <rcjsuen> or ther other way around, anyway you need to swap them
[14:39:09] <erdal> menu contributions: How to prevent a line break when "FORCE_TEXT" is used?
[14:39:33] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Well, vep/downloads has an "all in one update site" download, but it's a dead link. Trying ve/downloads
[14:40:35] <rcjsuen> ~tell njbartlett about 28503
[14:40:38] <rcjsuen> ~tell njbartlett about 282503
[14:40:44] <rcjsuen> or not
[14:40:49] <Arbalest> njbartlett: Bug 28503 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=28503 - Platform / SWT / 2.0.2 - PC / Windows 2000 - RESOLVED / INVALID / normal / - Assignee: platform-swt-inbox - Can not indent text in a Label
[14:40:50] <Arbalest> njbartlett: Bug 282503 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=282503 - VE / Releng / unspecified - All / All - NEW / critical / - Assignee: ve-inbox - Download links are incorrect
[14:41:17] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: The bot name changed?
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[14:41:45] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: I have nitind doing the hosting now. So he took the liberty of changing the name. ;)
[14:42:03] <rcjsuen> I just noticed yesterday meself.
[14:42:09] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: It looks like vep should be the new project... ve is on archive.eclipse.org
[14:42:23] <rcjsuen> anyway this one loads http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/tools/ve/downloads/drops/1.4.0/I200909221501/VE-Update-I200909221501.zip
[14:42:28] <rcjsuen> well i didn't try to _download_
[14:42:30] <rcjsuen> but it loads :o
[14:43:09] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: I see thanks
[14:43:18] <Odin_> 150% bandwidth utilization... hey you can supply me some bandwidth then!
[14:43:28] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Though, if this is just an archive of what's on the update site, it won't install into Galileo
[14:43:58] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: I know somebody picked up VE again recently, do you know who?
[14:43:59] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: as to whether it's alive or not, i believe they're getting approval for a 1.4.0 or 1.4.1 release or something...so it's still kinda stragglign there like a catfish that's gasping for air on your boat
[14:44:14] <rcjsuen> whether it's like edible (downloadable and usable) or not i can't say ;p
[14:44:14] * paulweb515 snickers
[14:44:42] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: you want this man yves (yingmin) yang <yves.yang at soyatec dot com>
[14:45:00] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Aha thanks!
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[14:45:30] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: BTW I've never caught a catfish so I'm not able to relate to your simile ;-)
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[14:45:36] <rcjsuen> me neither
[14:45:40] <rcjsuen> but i've uh...seen it on tv :o
[14:45:56] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: Good luck. If your client wants VEP work I hope they pay you lots ;)
[14:46:00] <ericrost> I have a question regarding Target Management, is this the right channel for it?
[14:46:02] <rcjsuen> cuz i think you'll need it ;p
[14:46:16] <njbartlett> rcjsuen: Well in theory, VE could be used to generate JavaFX Script code...
[14:46:52] <ericrost> Target management is installed and I can see my remote system but cannot interact with any of the files on it. context menus only have new folder and new target site in them
[14:46:55] <ericrost> i can ssh in just fine
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[14:47:40] <ericrost> any pointers? I'm a new eclipse user and I'm trying to get things setup and running
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[14:48:17] <rcjsuen> njbartlett: That would put a good spin on it.
[14:48:20] <ericrost> my friend google doesn't have much specific information about using target management just installing it
[14:48:45] <erdal> paulweb515: would you know how to prevent the line break when "FORCE_TEXT" is used in a menu contribution?
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[14:52:29] <paulweb515> erdal: it puts a line break in there?
[14:52:30] <ericrost> any help would be appreciated
[14:52:46] <erdal> if there is not much space left
[14:52:53] <ericrost> I can see the files just can't work with thme
[14:52:56] <ericrost> them*
[14:53:10] <paulweb515> erdal: that text is simply passed directly to the OS and attached to the icon
[14:53:28] <erdal> hmm
[14:53:49] <paulweb515> erdal: Unless there's a way to directly manipulate the size of a ToolItem, I don't think that could be changed at all
[14:54:39] <paulweb515> erdal: the JFace libraries or the org.eclipse.ui workbench don't provide access to the SWT widgets, so there's no way to fix it in an RCP app even if SWT would let you
[14:54:51] <erdal> ok
[14:54:54] <erdal> thx
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[14:56:56] <iooi> Hi!
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[15:04:47] <LaireTM> Helllo, i work with eclipse at an php template system. The templates have placeholder like: {S_CONTENT_ENCODING} but when I want to save the file I get this error:  Character  Encoding "{S_CONTENT_ENCODING}" is not a legal character encoding
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[15:10:57] <iooi> I am getting the following when trying to update 3.5.0 to 3.5.1:
[15:10:58] <iooi> An error occurred while collecting items to be installed
[15:10:58] <iooi>   session context was:(profile=SDKProfile, phase=org.eclipse.equinox.internal.provisional.p2.engine.phases.Collect, operand=, action=).
[15:10:59] <iooi>   HTTP Access Forbidden: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.5/R-3.5.1-200909170800/plugins/org.eclipse.ui.navigator.resources.source_3.4.1.M20090826-0800.jar.pack.gz
[15:11:00] <iooi>     Forbidden
[15:11:01] <iooi>   HTTP Access Forbidden: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.5/R-3.5.1-200909170800/plugins/org.eclipse.ui.source_3.5.1.M20090902-1000.jar.pack.gz
[15:11:03] <iooi>     Forbidden
[15:11:05] <iooi>   HTTP Access Forbidden: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.5/R-3.5.1-200909170800/plugins/org.eclipse.ui.views.log_1.0.100.v20090731.jar.pack.gz
[15:11:08] <iooi>     Forbidden
[15:11:10] <iooi>   HTTP Access Forbidden: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.5/R-3.5.1-200909170800/plugins/org.eclipse.ui.views.log.source_1.0.100.v20090731.jar.pack.gz
[15:11:13] <iooi>     Forbidden
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[15:12:20] <paulweb515> it's not just us that are serious about pastebin
[15:12:23] <paulweb515> :-)
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[15:12:31] <rcjsuen> lol
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[15:12:54] <paulweb515> iooi: remember next time, ~pastebin
[15:12:55] <Arbalest> Please paste the relevant information onto a pastebin. The submission will then generate a URL, please copy/paste the generated URL back to the channel - http://www.pastebin.cz/ - http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/home - http://pastebin.com - http://pastebin.ca
[15:12:56] <iooi> sorry for pasting it here this way - I did not find a pastebot which accepted the paste with those URLs in it.
[15:14:29] <iooi> thanks for the hint
[15:14:34] <iooi> http://www.pastebin.cz/23272
[15:15:40] <iooi> is this an mistake on my side or is the update server not configured correctly?
[15:17:23] <paulweb515> iooi: it's probably a network timeout being reported incorrectly
[15:17:37] <paulweb515> iooi: I can download http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/3.5/R-3.5.1-200909170800/plugins/org.eclipse.ui.views.log.source_1.0.100.v20090731.jar.pack.gz for example, no problem
[15:18:04] <paulweb515> iooi: the Eclipse Foundation bandwidth is maxed out (and they added more, believe me)
[15:18:29] <LaireTM> Helllo, i work with eclipse at an php template system. The templates have placeholder like: {S_CONTENT_ENCODING} but when I want to save the file I get this error: Character Encoding "{S_CONTENT_ENCODING}" is not a legal character encoding
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[15:19:52] <iooi> o.k., I see. So I'll try again later ? Thanks!
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[15:31:46] <LaireTM> nobody an idea?
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[15:38:53] <iooi> now I am getting the following: http://www.pastebin.cz/23273 Is this also a bandwidth issue?
[15:39:37] <rcjsuen> iooi: i believe some ppl were getting that on thurs/fri so yes, it is server related anyway (i.e. likely not your problem)
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[15:40:03] <iooi> thanks!
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[15:56:32] <cerberos> I'm using aptana studio 1.5, the outline view isn't working for javascript (anything inside $(document).ready), any ideas?
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[15:57:35] <cerberos> strangely it starts to work if I type var at the top of the file but then doesn't work again when I complete the declaration var = 'test';
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[16:09:54] <jdolan> so..  is someone going to fix the update sites anytime this release?
[16:10:01] <jdolan> this is extremely frustrating.
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[16:11:45] <jdolan> ah nice.  there's an SR1 now.
[16:11:54] <jdolan> so if i download another 188MB, do i get working Update Sites?
[16:12:08] <paulweb515> jdolan: it's a bandwidth problem (and believe me, they added more bandwidth)  ... the Foundation servers were at 150% this weekend
[16:12:10] <jdolan> it'd be pretty nice to actually install Subversive on Galileo.
[16:12:47] <jdolan> paulweb515: if i continue to retry, will the updater eventually download everything it needs?
[16:13:22] <paulweb515> jdolan: it did for me (i.e. after a failure when I went back later, it didn't re-download what it had already received )
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[16:14:03] <bushwakko> I have no autocomplete i 3.6M2
[16:14:08] <bushwakko> known problem?
[16:15:04] <paulweb515> bushwakko: for Java?  That sometimes crops up if you install Mylyn ... you can check, though, in the Preferences>Java>Editor>Content Assist>Advanced tab
[16:15:15] <bushwakko> ok
[16:15:20] <bushwakko> wasn't checked
[16:15:21] <bushwakko> thanks!
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[16:25:13] <matt1s> Anyone else experiencing problems with eclipse.org resetting connections?
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[16:49:26] <Yanick_> hi, I've been trying ZendStudio 7 and Aptana 1.5, both built on top of eclipse 3.5 and they both hang when I restart them. Anybody has this issue and have a solution without having to delete the .metadata all the time?
[16:49:41] <FauxFaux> ~info
[16:49:41] <Arbalest> Please state a) your CPU architecture (x86, 64-bit, etc.), b) operating system (Windows, Linux, OSX, etc.), c) your Java runtime environment (please verify by checking your ~logs or in the about dialog's ~jre section. No, typing 'java -version' in the command line does not count as checking), d) your Eclipse version, and e) where did you get Eclipse from (eclipse.org, distro repository, etc.).
[16:50:18] <paulweb515> matt1s: yes, the bandwidth is saturated (they added more for the SR1 release, but demand is heavy)
[16:50:34] <matt1s> palla|putty: ah thanks
[16:51:11] <Yanick_> CPU: Intel Centrino 2 64-bit, OS: Ubuntu 9.04 64-bit, Java: I have no idea what you mean by "checking the log"
[16:51:31] <Yanick_> the rest was stated in the first question
[16:53:03] <Yanick_> basically, all I'm asking for is some possible use case and solutions
[16:53:39] <paulweb515> Yanick_: if you want to find out what it's doing when it deadlocks, try ~deadlocks
[16:53:45] <paulweb515> ~deadlock
[16:53:45] <Arbalest> In a deadlock? http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/How_to_report_a_deadlock
[16:54:15] <FauxFaux> Yanick_: You didn't confirm that you wern't using gcj, which is possibly the most important part.
[16:54:46] <Yanick_> FauxFaux, why would I use that? (what part of eclipse would need it?)
[16:55:12] <paulweb515> Yanick_: it's the "which version of java" are you running ... which JVM is currently running eclipse?
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[16:56:10] <Yanick_> how do I know that?
[16:56:17] <paulweb515> java -version
[16:56:30] <FauxFaux> The factoid does explain. >.<
[16:56:52] <Yanick_> then it's Sun Java 1.6.0_16-b01
[16:57:23] <FauxFaux> Now we know you're not intentinally shooting yourself in the foot, you can go back to ~deadlocks. :)
[16:57:51] <Yanick_> FauxFaux, I surely do not use OpenJDK if it's what you were asking
[16:58:15] <FauxFaux> gcj is far worse. :)
[16:58:34] <Yanick_> ... that explains why I don't know about it
[16:59:01] <FauxFaux> It's the default on most linux distros.
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[16:59:29] <Yanick_> ubuntu comes with OpenJDK, but the first thing I always do is remove that package and install restricted packages
[16:59:40] <FauxFaux> \o/
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[17:01:53] <Odin_> why can't View's dock with Editor's ?
[17:02:03] <Yanick_> I opened the .metadata/.log file and wiped it blank (some execptions were shown in it, but I wasn't sure it they were from the last freeze or some random exceptions (like eclipse sometimes do...) and restarted Aptane. Well, it has not froze yet
[17:02:27] <rcjsuen> Odin_: just how it was designed
[17:02:32] <Yanick_> s/Aptana/
[17:03:09] <Odin_> can it be fixed ?  without breaking everything else
[17:04:11] <Odin_> maybe I should just get another monitor... you can make another workbench window ?
[17:04:14] <rcjsuen> Odin_: even if it can it's not likely to be worked on
[17:04:25] <rcjsuen> Odin_: Window > New Window
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[17:19:33] <konigsberg> OK guys, please explain this one:
[17:20:21] <konigsberg> Why is it that IProject has a method "getFolder(String)", IFolder has a method getFolder(String). Both are implemented in Container, yet IContainer doesn't have it. Why? Why, dear people, why?!
[17:21:43] <rcjsuen> konigsberg: cuz IWRoot is an IContainer
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[17:21:52] <rcjsuen> that's my guess, looking at the interfaces for 5 seconds
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[17:23:12] <konigsberg> It looks like there's no reason that can't appear in IWR.
[17:23:58] <rcjsuen> there's getFolder(IPath)
[17:23:59] <nitind> konigsberg: Except that would change the semantics for a String that represents a single-segment path.  You can't have a folder directly under the workspace.  Only projects.
[17:24:01] <rcjsuen> could just use that instead ;p
[17:24:26] <rcjsuen> nitind: i was gonna say that but wasn't positive if that's the resources api's...er...policy, that's the word
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[17:27:29] <konigsberg> The odd thing is I have a case where I have an IContainer that I know to be either an IProject or IFolder, and, hey, I have to pass an IContainer. Yet, I want getFolder(String). So the implementation, as you can imagine includes an instanceof and two typecasts.
[17:27:44] <konigsberg> Or maybe to keep it hacky simple I'll just typecast it to Container. :):):)
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[18:38:06] <m0> Hi, I am getting these errors trying to use software updates, any idea? http://pastebin.com/m5b7a7d6a
[18:38:30] <paulweb515> m0: some of the mirrors haven't caught up yet
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[18:39:06] <m0> paulweb515: hmm ah, it has been 4 days though, is that normal?
[18:39:28] <m0> paulweb515: I am trying to install GWT (Google Web Toolkit) and that is a known problem for Galilio SR1
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[18:40:02] <m0> Makes sense, thanks
[18:40:04] <paulweb515> m0: yes, there's still a lot of demand
[18:40:23] <mwolf9> Is there a way to keep the last control in a Row Layout right justified?
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[19:07:17] <thin> if I have the opening of an if(){ highlighted, how can I jump to or find quickly the closing }
[19:07:45] <nitind> thin: Usually Ctrl+Shift+P.
[19:07:51] <thin> if(foo){ ...how can I easily highlight everything in here... }
[19:08:08] <thin> thanks nitind
[19:08:30] <thin> where in the app would I find a list of such things?
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[19:10:12] <nitind> thin: Ctrl+Shift+L, or the Keys prefrence page, or check the various menus
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[19:30:02] <paulweb515> thin: ALT+SHIFT+UP will progressively select larger and larger blocks of code
[19:30:21] <FauxFaux> Love that button.
[19:30:49] <thin> no, that alt+shift+up isn't doing anything forme
[19:31:08] <thin> wht's the name of that 'command' so i can look for it in the key prefs panel
[19:31:10] <FauxFaux> In Java?
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[19:31:26] <thin> en eclipse
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[19:32:02] <FauxFaux> It might be Java specific.
[19:32:13] <FauxFaux> Typing "alt+shift+up" in the keys search results in "select enclosing element", however.
[19:32:34] <FauxFaux> (All the pro features are only supported in the Java editor, 'cos Java is far superior to all other languages, qed)
[19:33:33] <thin> thanks, ctrl+shift+up for me
[19:42:09] <nitind> FauxFaux: Pfft, it's supported in the XML Editor and other source editors from WTP.  Except DTD, I think.
[19:48:16] <NoobFukaire> with IApplication, what can you do from that? I understand it's like a main method for an eclipse app
[19:48:21] <FauxFaux> It (and things like ^o) don't work in css, iirc, which makes me quite sad.  Not quite sad enough to report or fix it, but..
[19:48:24] <NoobFukaire> but IApplicationContext doesn't really provide much
[19:48:43] <NoobFukaire> is there some platform singleton you're supposed to use to access bundles and whatnot?
[19:49:43] <paulweb515> NoobFukaire: you're own Activator can give you access to your Bundle and BundleContext (and from there the world :-)
[19:50:01] <NoobFukaire> ah duh
[19:50:02] <NoobFukaire> ;)
[19:50:07] <NoobFukaire> I totally forgot about the activator
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[19:50:18] <paulweb515> NoobFukaire: there's also org.osgi.framework.FrameworkUtil if you don't have an activator (added in the 1.3)
[19:51:19] <NoobFukaire> thanks
[19:52:38] <thin> :( nah, that ctrl shift up don't work either
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[19:53:35] <thin> its listed for java source, javascript source, and Editing in structured text
[19:53:42] <thin> but im editing php right now
[19:54:21] <thin> changed the java one to php and it still doesnt work
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[21:08:16] <thin> does eclipse autocomplete Constants?
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[21:22:52] <nycz> is eclipse 3.2 faster or slower in general than eclipse 3.5?
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[21:30:30] <paulweb515> nycz: depends on what you're doing ... if you sit there and click back and forth on 2 perspective icons, eclipse 3.2 is faster than eclipse 3.5
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[21:32:00] <nycz> paulweb515: i'm not doing anything too big, small projects with < 10 files each, but on an old computer with 900MHz of cpu and 1GB RAM
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[21:32:28] <nycz> paulweb515: right now I'm using 3.2, but if 3.5 would be faster I'd switch to that instead
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[21:34:54] <paulweb515> nycz: I don't think it would be that much faster, and possibly slower
[21:35:33] <paulweb515> nycz: you could test it out by 1) unzipping a 3.5 install, 2) creating a new workspace and 3) using "File>Import...>Existing projects into workspace" to test our your projects
[21:35:34] <nitind> nycz: it's certainly far less supported for fixing any problems you find with it.
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[21:36:34] <paulweb515> nycz: then you won't kill your current workspace by testing it
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[21:38:59] <nycz> hm
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[21:41:45] <nycz> not sure how simple that would be though, since I'm using linux at the moment... not sure that it'd be worth the effort either
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[21:52:14] <rcjsuen> nycz: using an up-to-date VM might help more
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[21:59:32] <frey> Hello. I'm having problems while running update on my Eclipse installation. I get a few messages that look like these: " No repository found containing: osgi.bundle,com.ibm.icu,4.0.1.v20090822"
[21:59:51] <frey> Most of them start with "No repository found containing..."
[22:00:26] <frey> Do you know what this could be? Or how I get rid of it?
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[22:00:56] <SatManUK> hi im trying to create a simple java application just to show my name in color - is there a difference between eclipse on windows and opensuse linux?
[22:01:22] <frey> SatManUK: There should not be.
[22:01:50] <SatManUK> its ok
[22:01:56] <SatManUK> i was doing the syntax wrong
[22:02:13] <frey> SatManUK: It happens.
[22:02:17] <rcjsuen> frey: known update errors, you'll just have to wait
[22:02:30] <SatManUK> i missed out the "." after g.setcolor(color"."(BLUE))
[22:02:43] <SatManUK> i typed g.setcolor(color(blue))
[22:02:48] <SatManUK> missed out the period
[22:03:08] <SatManUK> thanks frey
[22:03:20] <frey> SatManUK: You're welcome.
[22:05:23] <frey> rcjsuen: Thanks.
[22:05:54] <frey> rcjsuen: Do you know if this bug has been for long?
[22:06:01] <rcjsuen> frey: since thursday or friday
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[22:06:05] <rcjsuen> it's working for some people
[22:06:15] <rcjsuen> but several people have come in today and on the weekends with the same complaints
[22:06:29] <frey> rcjsuen: Classic.
[22:06:40] <rcjsuen> just so you know, "it's probably not your Eclipse's problem but the server's"
[22:06:47] <rcjsuen> to calm the masses
[22:07:04] <frey> rcjsuen: Good thing to know.
[22:07:53] <frey> rcjsuen: The only problem was that I wanted to add a plug-in and I still get this bug. It's not a big of a deal because I do have another older installation of Eclipse with that same plug-in.
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[22:08:11] <frey> rcjsuen: Are update problems regular?
[22:08:17] <rcjsuen> yeah it's blocking a lot of people
[22:08:18] <SatManUK> what does this mean "private static final long serialVersionUID = 1L;"
[22:08:25] <SatManUK> do i need it in my code?
[22:08:26] <rcjsuen> frey: not of this scale anyway
[22:08:46] <rcjsuen> SatManUK: read up on Java serialization...if you don't know what serialization means, you could ignore it i guess :p
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[22:08:48] <frey> SatManUK: It's not needed but it's good practice.
[22:09:09] <SatManUK> i will read up on it - but i only had my first lesson on java today
[22:09:19] <frey> SatManUK: You can safely ignore it for now.
[22:09:23] <SatManUK> which resources would you recomend for a java newb?
[22:09:57] <alankila> SatManUK: I generally turn off the warning about serialVersionUID so I don't have to bother with that stupid field. Some people think it matters, but I can't agree.
[22:10:00] <rcjsuen> SatManUK: if your first one then you probably won't need to care for the next few months
[22:10:02] <frey> SatManUK: I recommend reading a book on the subject.
[22:10:42] <rcjsuen> of ypior ask your teacher, he/she will probably give you a good explanation
[22:10:48] <rcjsuen> if you're curious
[22:11:31] <frey> SatManUK: I'm not sure if this is the right time, but you might be interested in something like RoboCode while your learning Java.
[22:11:49] <SatManUK> ok
[22:11:52] <frey> SatManUK: http://robocode.sourceforge.net/
[22:11:57] <SatManUK> next java lesson is next monday
[22:12:11] <frey> SatManUK: It's a game where you code your own player.
[22:12:54] <frey> SatManUK: The game comes with examples.
[22:12:58] <SatManUK> i will have a look but i think the furthest we get is creating an applet that will top up a pay as you go mobile how complex is that?
[22:13:04] <frey> SatManUK: It's both for beginners and advanced.
[22:13:22] <SatManUK> thats what i was told from those who did it last week
[22:13:24] <SatManUK> i will take a look
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[22:13:57] <SatManUK> but i have another class at 9 tomorrow, so im gonna walk the dogs and go to bed.. i am just happy that i installed eclipse into linux and re-created my inclass practical in quick time
[22:14:10] <frey> SatManUK: Good luck.
[22:14:24] <SatManUK> thanks all :) and thank you again for all your help frey
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[22:24:53] <NoobFukaire> I created a product configuration but when I launch, I'm getting: java.lang.RuntimeException: No application id has been found.
[22:25:13] <NoobFukaire> I believe I have all the required bundles and the IApplication instance
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[22:35:57] <NoobFukaire> I got it
[22:36:00] <NoobFukaire> was a dependency issue
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[22:41:18] <rcjsuen> NoobFukaire: I think kaje was having the same problem before.
[22:41:28] <rcjsuen> Or well...someone with a 'k' in their name ;p
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[22:45:47] <charley> rcjsuen: yeah, it was kaje (my logs go to last Friday :))
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[22:46:56] <NoobFukaire> now I'm having an issue with the exported product
[22:47:12] <NoobFukaire> Invalid or corrupt jarfile /home/tmack/sctest/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.0.200.v20090520
[22:47:22] <NoobFukaire> when I run the eclipse binary
[22:47:27] <NoobFukaire> no errors in the log though
[22:48:52] <uwjesd_> Can I use debug to see whats inside a HashMap? If so? How?
[22:49:39] <rcjsuen> use breakpoints, and use the variables view
[22:50:21] <uwjesd_> How to use breakpoints?
[22:51:20] <rcjsuen> uwjesd_: at the risk of insulting you, you know what breakpoints are, right
[22:51:50] <uwjesd_> Nope but I think I know what they should do.
[22:52:03] <uwjesd_> No idea how to set them though.
[22:52:06] <rcjsuen> place your cursor on a line and then use Ctrl+Shift+B to put a break point
[22:52:11] <rcjsuen> you will see a blue dot on the left
[22:52:21] <uwjesd_> ok
[22:52:54] <rcjsuen> use F11 (instead of Ctrl+F11) to debug your app
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[22:54:11] <uwjesd_> Still don't see my map in variables
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[22:56:09] <timothym> uwjesd_: where did you set your breakpoint? after the map was created or at the line it was created?
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[22:56:26] <uwjesd_> After the map was created
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[22:57:23] <timothym> do you see any variables listed? your map may be inside one of them if it's part of another object
[22:58:18] <uwjesd_> Variables is empty
[22:59:48] <timothym> check the debug view, you may have to select the correct frame to see the variables or if you've even hit the breakpoint
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[23:02:35] <uwjesd_> I have some data now
[23:02:50] <uwjesd_> where exactly do I have to go to get the data of the map?
[23:04:40] <wallerdev> anyone doing c++ development with boost? i was wondering if it would support some type of completion when using smart pointers? e.g. boost::smart_ptr<MyClass> m(new MyClass); then typing m-> it might pop up with a list of member functions on MyClass ?
[23:04:42] <timothym> uwjesd_: there's a button in the variables view to show the logical structure
[23:04:49] <timothym> that should help with looking at a hash map
[23:05:06] <wallerdev> im currently using xcode which gets confused by smart pointers, so i was wondering if i should switch to eclipse if it handles them better
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[23:08:21] <uwjesd_> Will debug work in any programm without main method?
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[23:30:37] <NoobFukaire> is there a way to get a log when running a product?
[23:30:49] <NoobFukaire> I'm getting an vague error and I can't find a log
[23:30:55] <NoobFukaire> I guess I could try -consoleLog
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[23:31:26] <nitind> NoobFukaire: ~log
[23:31:26] <Arbalest> Looking for your Eclipse logs? The workspace log should be located at the <workspace>/.metadata/.log file. In Eclipse, try Help > About > Configuration Details > View Error Log. If you want to paste it somewhere, see ~pastebin - http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/IRC_FAQ#Where_are_Eclipse.27s_log_files_located.3F - http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_Where_can_I_find_that_elusive_.log_file%3F
[23:31:50] <NoobFukaire> same thing
[23:32:19] <NoobFukaire> hmm
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[23:34:56] <NoobFukaire> same thing
[23:34:58] <NoobFukaire> Invalid or corrupt jarfile /home/tmack/sctest/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.0.200.v20090520
[23:35:07] <NoobFukaire> I don't think it's getting far enough to setup the log or anything
[23:35:22] <NoobFukaire> but I have no idea why that bundle is messed up, it's an internal eclipse thing
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[23:35:29] <NoobFukaire> it appears intact in the plugins dir though
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[23:35:37] <NoobFukaire> and it's the right arch
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