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[14:28:08] <paulweb515_> yeah, Dani fixed it :-)
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[17:41:55] <briandealwis> It's really too bad that a bundle can't somehow express a dependency that it requires DS.  Talking to some Eclipse devs here who've tried E4AP and had problems because .ds isn't loaded or started.  They don't want to include the RCP feature.
[17:42:24] <briandealwis> I wonder if we could do an optional Import-Package on org.apache.felix.scr ? it's exported by o.e.e.ds
[17:42:40] <briandealwis> That would at least cause it to be pulled in automagically
[17:45:50] <rcjsuen> this guy tried to run his 3.x rcp
[17:45:57] <rcjsuen> it didn't run because he didn't have the event bundle
[17:53:09] <briandealwis> I remember having the same problems when first starting with E4.  It was supremely frustrating.
[17:53:21] * briandealwis goes to check the E4AP FAQ to make sure this is mentioned
[17:53:58] <briandealwis> ?though I remember having the same issue when playing with p2
[18:10:10] <briandealwis> Any objections to my moving the "http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse4/Eclipse_SDK_4.0_FAQ" to just FAQ, and put in a redirect?
[18:11:10] <briandealwis> I had to hunt around for a while as I wasn't sure that it was the current version
[18:11:21] <rcjsuen> briandealwis: you mean Eclipse4/FAQ?
[18:11:30] <rcjsuen> briandealwis: if yes, that's fine by me +1
[18:12:41] <briandealwis> oh great, it does the redirect automagically. yay mediawiki
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[19:54:14] <emoffatt> tschindl: I still haven't found a way around the minimize issue, I'll take another stab tomorrow...
[19:54:58] <tschindl> can you point me in the right direction - I've some time tonight == now
[19:55:05] <emoffatt> rcjsuen: do you know which class 'updates' the main menu bar when the active part changes ??
[19:55:48] <emoffatt> tschindl: I'm using you old patch and trying to determine whether the stack is 'minimized' in the 'restoreDurable'
[19:56:04] <emoffatt> if it was minimized on close then we do not want to replace the container...
[19:56:04] <rcjsuen> org.eclipse.ui.internal.WorkbenchWindow.setup().new Runnable() {...}.run()
[19:56:24] <emoffatt> rcjsuen: thanks
[19:56:27] <tschindl> ok lets see what i can findout
[19:56:55] <emoffatt> i forgot what working on 3.8 was like :)
[19:57:18] <emoffatt> ping me if you have questions
[19:57:28] <tschindl> how do i get in the screenshot state?
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[20:24:23] <emoffatt> tschindl: just start your demo app and minimize the 'messages' stack and restart
[20:24:39] <tschindl> ok i'm working on it
[20:25:13] <tschindl> I've reverted to my first patch but moved the advisor code to perspective one
[20:25:53] <tschindl> but i have the same problem you have because i don't get if the viewstack is minimized
[20:26:14] <emoffatt> if you wish I'd be glad to work on it, I owe you big time (Hint: find a nice restaurant close to ECon) :)
[20:26:19] <tschindl> the attribute is still on ViewStack#minized is still false
[20:26:38] <emoffatt> yes, that was try one :)
[20:27:04] <tschindl> no problem I'll try to dig deeper and see what i can find out
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[20:59:14] <emoffatt> rcjsuen: I'm looking at ~356252...can you think of any other cases where we want to inhibit this (I'm thinking of the PerspectiveStack itself as a possible candidate
[20:59:47] <rcjsuen> oh you mean prevent the recursion
[21:00:20] <rcjsuen> it probably shouldn't happen for menus or toolbars
[21:00:37] <rcjsuen> at least in the menu case you would be in the argument of whether a submenu should appear with 'No Applicable Items' or if the submenu should just not appear
[21:00:50] <rcjsuen> tho i thot perspective stacks were alrdy ignoerd
[21:38:26] <tschindl> emoffatt: i think I got a step further
[21:38:42] <emoffatt> aha, what's up ?
[21:39:07] <tschindl> the information about the minimized stacks can be found in the memonto of the perspective
[21:39:54] <tschindl> so I can collect them and skip the part replacement when the id is found in a the trim
[21:40:20] <tschindl> there's only one small thing not working
[21:41:08] <tschindl> if one minimizes an empty stack to the trim when restarting the stack is restored because the empty stack is not restore there
[21:42:04] <tschindl> i mean empty stacks are not restored in the trim area
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