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[00:16:10] <kdavy_> stormlight, 24/16=1.5
[00:16:36] <kdavy_> roughly. in reality the difference will be way less because of TCP overhead, non-graphics related data, etc
[00:17:26] <stormlight> yeah but that can be a big number now that i understand when you dealing with dual and tripple mons with 1280
[00:18:14] <kdavy_> i have triple mons (1080x1920) - havent noticed that big of a bandwidth use on non-multimedia data
[00:18:37] <kdavy_> number of monitors does not matter since usually only one of them will have changing data at any point in time
[00:19:07] <jduggan> have any of you guys used pushprinterconnections.exe before?
[00:19:41] <stormlight> we are running full published desktop across all 3
[00:20:24] <kdavy_> stormlight, same here
[00:20:57] <kdavy_> i wouldnt worry about it on a LAN; WAN maybe
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[00:26:49] <kdavy_> dammit, a/c in the building is busted again
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[00:34:40] <kdavy_> just read an e-mail sent to a customer.... it was something nonsensical like "When a penguin falls on its back in the North Pole because of wind from a passing helicopter, it falls on the axis of the earth and pushes it down a little. Because of that, a portion of the earth axis comes out on the South Pole. The fellow penguins on the South Pole see this, notice something isn't right and push the axis back in, helping the fallen one get back on his feet."
[00:34:54] <kdavy_> what are they smoking?
[00:35:20] <kdavy_> are they ok? should i be concerned?
[00:44:57] <jduggan> it wasnt spam?
[00:45:04] <kdavy_> no
[00:45:13] <jduggan> whut
[00:45:14] <jduggan> weird
[00:45:15] <jduggan> :po
[00:45:17] <kdavy_> it was something technical sent out from the helpdesk, but the idea is about the same
[00:45:27] <kdavy_> i just came up with a penguin analogy
[00:45:42] <jduggan> ok finally got pushprinterconnections.exe working
[00:45:50] <jduggan> pushed printers out via gpo finally
[00:45:56] <jduggan> in 2003/xp domain
[00:46:16] <jduggan> this place is such a mess
[00:46:32] <jduggan> 200+ users, 3 sites, all computers in one OU, all users in another
[00:46:34] <kdavy_> jduggan: i like analogies. one time in college i wrote a large paper on globalization (it was for sociology i believe) that was written entirely about octopi. paper got accepted and i got an A
[00:46:43] <jduggan> no sub ous
[00:47:10] <kdavy_> jduggan, are there at least security groups for different departments?
[00:47:41] <jduggan> kdavy_: does that penguin really push the earth axis out of line? :)
[00:47:50] <jduggan> (no)
[00:48:04] <kdavy_> jduggan, more importantly, there are no penguins at the north pole
[00:48:16] <jduggan> everything is a cludge here
[00:48:21] <kdavy_> :)
[00:48:31] <jduggan> ive only just taken ownership
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[01:00:32] <stormlight> ok one more.. Does it make any sense to turn on any flash acceleration or speed screen if your inside a lan? 4.5 xenapp
[01:02:04] <kdavy_> stormlight, flash acceleration - maybe. speedscreen - no
[01:02:30] <stormlight> why flash? to stop it from pegging the cpu?
[01:02:53] <kdavy_> problem with flash acceleration is the fact that on a LAN it might be slower enabled than disabled, depending on client
[01:03:19] <kdavy_> ok. here's the answer. we're on a WAN and flash acceleration is disabled because it's too buggy and unreliable
[01:03:26] <kdavy_> it's not worth it
[01:07:29] <stormlight> :kdavy_ thanks for the input
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[01:33:59] <crackguy> I am trying to configure iStorage Server v2.30 on Citrix XenServer v5.6 for High Availibility purpose. At one point, I need to let XenServer to discover and connect to the iSCSI targets. Now according to the iStorgae documentation, I need to use "iscsiadm" command. When I execute the full command, I get series of errors. Here is the output @ http://pastebin.com/xBdURCZb - could someone please assist me.
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[01:51:59] <crackguy> I am trying to configure iStorage Server v2.30 on Citrix XenServer v5.6 for High Availibility purpose. At one point, I need to let XenServer to discover and connect to the iSCSI targets. Now according to the iStorgae documentation, I need to use "iscsiadm" command. When I execute the full command, I get series of errors. Here is the output @ http://pastebin.com/xBdURCZb - could someone please assist me.
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[02:20:31] <kdavy_> crackguy, while the issue is obvious, solution may be less obvious
[02:20:50] <kdavy_> do you have the /etc/iscsi/iscsid.start file at all?
[02:23:19] <crackguy> kdavy_, thanks for your response
[02:25:46] <crackguy> but - iscli iscsid iscsi-iname iscsiadm iscsi_discovery iscsistart - these files do exisit in /etc/init.d
[02:26:33] <crackguy> and inside /etc/iscsi
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[02:37:06] <crackguy> kdavy_ could you please assist
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[02:41:23] <kdavy_> crackguy, sorry i got distracted
[02:42:15] <kdavy_> i can't really assist - but do you have a working system where iscsid is installed and working? copying the start file from there would be a good option
[02:43:37] <crackguy> is there a way i could remove and reinstall latest iscsi package?
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[02:44:00] <crackguy> i don't know what is wrong with this one, because it's fresh out of installation of Citrix XenServer
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[02:48:50] <kdavy_> no idea.... it should just work
[02:49:25] <kdavy_> have you tried configuring it from XenCenter? it's very straightforward - no need to go to command line to configure an SR
[02:49:54] <kdavy_> and you DEFINITELY don't need to use iscsiadm - there are several levels of abstraction above that
[02:50:29] <kdavy_> "xe sr-create" is the absolute lowest level command you should have to deal with - unless you're in some deep shit already
[02:51:28] <kdavy_> i think that by following the iStorage documentation you're overcomplicating things. use XenServer documentation
[02:51:58] <kdavy_> of course i've never heard of iStorage, and there is probably a good reason for that
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[09:03:06] <Darkman_> hi there
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[11:16:49] <jai_> hello all
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[13:47:36] <tabularasa> anyone around?
[13:47:45] <tabularasa> .mov files in XenApp... Anyway to make them not suck ass?
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[14:36:02] <Darkman_> anyone uses multipath on xenserver? it sees 4 paths but uses only one it seems
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[19:02:08] <baxter014> any one want to talk about backup solutions?
[19:04:43] <pesadilla> i only can say: don't use TSM
[19:06:29] <baxter014> bad times with TSM?
[19:08:49] <pesadilla> yes :)
[19:10:41] <baxter014> Im looking around for a backup script, I want to be able to backup to a windows CIFS or openfilers NFS.
[19:14:20] <pesadilla> bacula
[19:15:02] <kdavy_> TSM?
[19:15:32] <kdavy_> If you get XenServer Platinum you can use their VM protection feature, which mostly works and ONLY SOMETIMES breaks everything
[19:16:07] <kdavy_> well, the snapshots are what breaks everything, feature itself works fine but uses snapshots
[19:16:20] <baxter014> yea, true i have $5000 laying around for that
[19:17:20] <kdavy_> baxter014, i dont think many people actually buy XS Platinum...
[19:17:34] <kdavy_> do you work for an enterprise or a service provider?
[19:18:12] <baxter014> yea but a small one
[19:18:26] <kdavy_> if service provider, look into CSP partnership - it will allow you to use all Citrix products for a pretty low monthly per-user or per-VM fee
[19:18:53] <kdavy_> there is no minimum criteria for CSP - no sales quota, no certs required for base level, etc
[19:19:13] <baxter014> kdavy do you work for citrix?
[19:19:30] <kdavy_> baxter014, no, i work for a citrix partner/service provider
[19:20:45] * kdavy_ is running those silly things called clouds
[19:21:31] <jduggan> kdavy_:
[19:21:35] <baxter014> so with csp partners how much does a service provider pay for a vm fee per month on average
[19:21:45] <jduggan> Property Value
[19:21:45] <jduggan> Min / Current / Max ARC Size 1.87 GB / 12.01 GB / 14.98 GB
[19:22:13] <jduggan> ive never gone above max of 14.98GB.  It's as 120GB SSD, do i need to tune something or does it just not need to use more yet ?
[19:22:20] <jduggan> s/as/a/
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[19:26:40] <kdavy_> baxter014, this information is public, it's under $6/vm/month for XenServer Advanced and under $10/vm/month for XenServer Platinum. Plus, if you get XenApp/XenDesktop Platinum, you only pay per-user - VMs are free
[19:27:05] <Phibs> guess xenserver not gonna be rockin with the myri10ge
[19:29:53] <kdavy_> jduggan, it's only uses what it needs. "Adaptive" is the keyword in ARC
[19:30:02] <baxter014> So how does it work, I have 2 servers i want xenserver advanced on. Do i install xenserver 5.6 and you give me a key that unlocks advanced fetures and how to i create vm and setup being charged for them
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[19:30:59] <kdavy_> baxter014, you get a key that unlocks features for unlimited XS hosts. You then report the number of VMs manually (monthly) to an aggregator and pay based on what you tell them
[19:31:32] <kdavy_> Citrix reserves the right to audit your environment to make sure that what you tell them is true
[19:32:04] <Phibs> wonder if this is the issue
[19:32:05] <Phibs> http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?threadID=245149
[19:32:11] <kdavy_> and if you're lying to them, they cut you off from the partnership program, and possibly sue you :)
[19:32:49] <Phibs> Special thanks to Citrix - looks like those guys have never tested vlans with their brigdes ;)
[19:33:38] <jduggan> kdavy_: what are the key performance figures i should look at in nexenta? anything specific i shoudl check to see where i can improve things?
[19:33:44] <kdavy_> Phibs, heh. does this have anything to do with broadcast or multicast? because that indeed is broken when you use vlans with bridges among other things
[19:33:57] <Phibs> dhcp? :)
[19:34:00] <Phibs> sure does
[19:34:03] <Phibs> ugh
[19:34:04] <jduggan> cache hits seem to be about 85% - is that about right ?
[19:34:08] <Phibs> is there a fix for 5.6.1 ?
[19:34:25] <kdavy_> jduggan, can you DM me? we're off topic
[19:34:33] <kdavy_> but 85% cache hits is about right
[19:34:59] <jduggan> kdavy_: sorry - ive got to shoot anyway so i'll let you get back on topic :)
[19:35:09] <baxter014> thanks kdavy i will look into it
[19:35:41] <zaf> citrix? test things???
[19:36:00] <kdavy_> jduggan, no problem
[19:36:25] <Phibs> kdavy_: looks like the only solutino is to replace the bridging code with openvswitch
[19:36:56] <zaf> http://i.imgur.com/y7Hm9.jpg
[19:37:12] <kdavy_> Phibs, that's not really a solution because openvswitch is broken too - it doesnt work with a lot of NICs. ask splatone :)
[19:37:29] <Phibs> ffs
[19:37:40] <Phibs> Xen w/ Centos worked fine
[19:37:44] <Phibs> Vmware works fine
[19:37:47] <Phibs> xenserver... not so much
[19:38:35] <kdavy_> zaf, lol. this is going on my wall
[19:40:43] <Phibs> so do I throw citrix to the curb or what?
[19:41:35] <kdavy_> Phibs, dunno. xenserver works for me
[19:41:56] <kdavy_> but i did get fully supported hardware for it
[19:42:10] <Phibs> well the issue is using vlans on !first nic it seems
[19:42:14] <Phibs> which is a big issue
[19:42:28] <Phibs> I dunno how you break that
[19:42:49] <kdavy_> linux bridging code is broken in the kernel they use
[19:42:56] <Phibs> nod
[19:43:00] <Phibs> hot
[19:43:05] <Phibs> maybe thye should ... not fucking use that kernel :)
[19:43:10] <zaf> anybody toyed with moving to XCP?
[19:43:21] <kdavy_> Xen probably has a newer kernel, which explains why it's working
[19:43:35] <kdavy_> i assume it'll be fixed in the next major XS release
[19:44:22] <Phibs> sigh
[19:47:50] <Phibs> baby jesus is crying
[19:48:53] <tabularasa> My Ubuntu upgrade has been going for over 2 hours now
[19:49:01] <Phibs> lewl
[19:50:10] <Phibs> and the damn DDK doesn't match up with the release kernel version
[19:51:01] <Phibs> 2.6.32.12-0.7.1.xs5.6.100.307.170586xen
[19:51:01] <Phibs> vs
[19:51:06] <Phibs> 2.6.32.12-0.7.1.xs5.6.100.314.170588xen
[19:51:09] <Phibs> they seriously sell this product?
[19:51:54] <zaf> i don't think they're all that serious about it
[19:51:54] <tabularasa> lol
[19:52:30] <Phibs> apparently not...
[19:53:35] <zaf> if they'd apply a little more QA to it, it'd be way better than VMW
[19:53:48] <Phibs> yeah
[19:53:50] <Phibs> agreed
[19:54:05] <Phibs> thats why its kinda frustrating
[19:54:10] <zaf> i still prefer it to any other platforms myself
[19:54:28] <Phibs> well it doesn't even work for me ;0
[19:54:30] <zaf> but i've had my share of 'o shit' issues
[19:54:36] <Phibs> hehe
[19:54:40] <Phibs> working is fundamental ;0
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[20:04:52] <Phibs> a hotfix would be nice
[20:08:30] <kdavy_> hmm. this just in: http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX129267
[20:09:14] <kdavy_> doesnt solve the network issue, but should make storage stuff less broken
[20:09:57] <kdavy_> ok... this i DO NOT LIKE: "Note: The XenCenter controlled upgrade process reboots each host sequentially starting with the Pool Master, where possible VMs will be migrated to other running hosts to avoid VM downtime. When the Pool Master is being rebooted, XenCenter will be unable to monitor the pool."
[20:10:18] <Phibs> yeah...
[20:10:39] <kdavy_> i'll apply everything manually, thanks
[20:10:42] <tabularasa> heh
[20:10:43] <tabularasa> no doubt
[20:10:47] <zaf> yeah those controlled upgrades scare me
[20:12:18] <kdavy_> i'd call them haphazard, not controlled
[20:12:51] <zaf> i call them hand over my pool to blind luck
[20:13:08] <zaf> and start sweating bullets
[20:13:20] <kdavy_> and shitting bricks
[20:14:25] <zaf> kdavy, what kind of cloud hosting do u guys do?
[20:14:39] <zaf> <-- in the market for a DR site
[20:15:29] <kdavy_> zaf, managed only - our clients get rid of their IT departments and move everything to us. we manage and support it
[20:15:38] <zaf> that's us, heh
[20:15:55] <kdavy_> they also get rid of all on-site servers
[20:16:03] <kdavy_> we don't do break-fix support
[20:16:08] <zaf> same, heh
[20:16:21] <kdavy_> yep
[20:17:17] <kdavy_> so i dont think there is a point in talking about doing DR like this
[20:17:49] <zaf> prolly not
[20:18:11] <zaf> unless you have a recommendation. we just want to have a geographically diverse DC somewhere
[20:31:34] <JarianGibson> 5.0.2 for cag was supposed to
[20:31:37] <JarianGibson> use netscaler vpx
[20:31:41] <kdavy_> zaf, where is your main site?
[20:31:55] <JarianGibson> makson: ^
[20:34:48] <zaf> kdavy, louisiana
[20:35:30] <kdavy_> zaf, we have a site in Houston and one in Dallas. probably too close for you
[20:40:00] <kdavy_> Dallas Data Bank is a good DC, but you'd have to get a whole rack there
[20:40:22] <zaf> you doing replication between the two?
[20:40:28] <kdavy_> zaf, yep
[20:40:34] <zaf> the nexenta does that?
[20:40:35] <kdavy_> 4ms latency between sites
[20:40:40] <zaf> nice
[20:40:45] <kdavy_> no i have not set up nexenta replication yet
[20:41:12] <kdavy_> compellent is replicating though
[20:41:16] <zaf> ah
[20:41:21] <kdavy_> and robocopy on file level
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[20:41:50] <zaf> alike's new version does XS->XS copies, might try that out
[20:41:56] <zaf> that way it's storage-agnostic
[20:42:18] <kdavy_> yeah, we'll see about that
[20:49:13] <splatone> Afternoon..
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[20:50:08] <blue_misfit> Hey all, are there any file size limitations on the size of virtual disks in XenServer Free?
[20:50:31] <splatone> What backup software works with xenserver..  I know PHD does but that dumps to alternate server hard drives rather than tape.
[20:50:52] <splatone> Anyway to get xenserver images to tape?  I dont think backup exec does it..
[20:50:53] <zaf> dont know of any that go to tape
[20:51:13] <zaf> you'd have to probably dump to tape and then use a tape-based software to back that up
[20:51:42] <zaf> blue_misfit, gonna depend on your storage most likely
[20:51:49] <blue_misfit> I have 60TB of local storage on this box
[20:52:01] <blue_misfit> but can't seem to create virtual disks larger than a few terabytes
[20:52:16] <zaf> your filesystem of choice's limitations come into play as well
[20:52:20] <splatone> zaf: so method would be use (xenserver scheduled snapshots -> physical backup server -> backup exec -> tape library.
[20:52:38] <blue_misfit> indeed. these disks will be ext3
[20:52:43] <zaf> splatone, yeah, if you can get that to be reliable...
[20:52:48] <blue_misfit> *virtual disks I mean
[20:53:25] <splatone> zaf: right now theres nothing that goes directly from xenserver to tape.
[20:53:52] <zaf> not that i've heard of
[20:53:59] <splatone> Other option would be a tape library that can hit the lun directly off of FC.
[20:53:59] <zaf> about to have a conference call with Alike people, i'll ask
[20:54:34] <splatone> but that would be difficult to restore a single vm.
[20:54:48] <zaf> yep
[20:54:57] <zaf> tape is difficult no matter what, heh
[20:55:49] <splatone> zef: I could use a disk based system as well..
[20:56:20] <blue_misfit> When I try to create a 4096GB VDI, I get the error "The size specified for the VDI is invalid. Check your settings and try again"
[20:56:41] <blue_misfit> I have 54787 GB free currently
[20:58:49] <kdavy_> blue_misfit, there might be a 2Tb limit
[20:58:54] <kdavy_> i think there is
[20:58:59] <zaf> ext3's max file size is like 2tb
[20:59:43] <zaf> splatone, www.quorumsoft.com is worth a check
[21:01:01] <splatone> zaf: I tested alike but I thought it was a bit buggy.
[21:01:13] <zaf> same, gonna try it again and hope it's improved
[21:01:31] <kdavy_> i heard good things about PHD
[21:01:47] <kdavy_> http://www.phdvirtual.com/server_virtualization_citrix_xenserver
[21:02:51] <splatone> kdavy_: Firefox4 + online plugin = FAIL..
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[21:07:15] <splatone> both those products fail miserably at backing up large VM's
[21:07:30] <zaf> that's what i've found..
[21:07:34] <zaf> gonna give em another try
[21:08:07] <kdavy_> slpatone, large VMs fail miserably on getting backed up. nothing to do with backup software
[21:08:16] <zaf> yeah i think it's mostly a XS issue
[21:08:17] <splatone> zaf: Both use internal snapshot/export functions out of xenserver..
[21:09:41] <splatone> so for that you need something that has os client and does imaging..
[21:09:57] <splatone> How does MS license there backup software for spla?
[21:10:08] <zaf> yeah, right now i'm using r1soft cdp in the guests
[21:16:03] <splatone> Im tempted to just backup using cli to USB disks.
[21:23:02] <JarianGibson> http://www.startswithv.com/2011/04/27/installing-xendesktop-5-vda-on-windows-2008-r2-server/
[21:23:13] <JarianGibson> ^ xd5 vda on windows server 2008 r2
[21:28:41] <zaf> so alike will take a snapshot and mount it directly with their VM and do the dedupe there
[21:28:52] <zaf> so it doesn't have to leave the SAN til it's deduped and compressed
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[22:13:13] <kdavy_> erm wtf. i have two users reporting that their citrix session does not use 1:1 zoom and because of that there is blurriness, screen artefacts etc. everything is "fine" on local. remoting into the local computer shows no issues.
[22:13:17] <kdavy_> PEBKAC?
[22:13:43] <kdavy_> ICA client doesn't even support zoom to my knowledge, does it?
[22:15:15] <makson> kdavy_: did he some how hit the hotkey to kick on magnafine glass in session?
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[22:16:19] <kdavy_> makson, nfc... but that would be visible via VNC, no?
[22:17:08] <makson> hmmm... Yah i would think so.
[22:17:19] <makson> session looks fine under unc?
[22:17:20] <makson> vnc
[22:17:47] <kdavy_> yah, looks totally fine
[22:17:56] <makson> what's the end point?
[22:18:01] <kdavy_> vnc and ICA shadow side by side, looks exactly the same
[22:18:08] <kdavy_> Windows 7, Aero disabled
[22:18:37] <zaf> kdavy, sounds like they're running an lcd at the wrong resolution
[22:18:52] <kdavy_> zaf, nope, resolution is 1920x1080
[22:19:02] <zaf> not a x1200 screen?
[22:19:09] <kdavy_> hmmmmmmm that's what i'm thinking
[22:20:00] <zaf> if the ica client did have a zoom that would be pretty rad
[22:22:47] <kdavy_> zaf, yeah
[22:23:11] <kdavy_> anyway, i don't know why this ticket was escalated to me. there is NOTHING i can do on the server side that could have an effect
[22:23:34] <kdavy_> progressive display is not enabled - that's the only thing that could cause something similar
[22:23:40] <kdavy_> de-escalating :)
[22:23:46] <zaf> hehe
[22:24:11] <zaf> that's what sucks about being at the top, you're the only one who actually has to use a brain
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[22:42:30] <kdavy_> zaf: yep, unfortunately
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