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[01:38:05] <blue_misfit> hey guys I have some questions about networking in XenServer free. Is this the appropriate place to ask?
[01:42:28] <kdavy_> blue_misfit, yes
[01:47:34] <blue_misfit> cool.
[01:47:46] <blue_misfit> I'm having issues understanding how virtual network interfaces are handled
[01:48:00] <blue_misfit> I'm more familiar with VMWare Workstation, this enterprise grade stuff is all new to me
[01:48:44] <blue_misfit> in VMWare, I can select how a virtual NIC is handled. In other words, I can specify if the NIC is NATted through the host, has a host-only network, or resides on a purely virtual network
[01:49:08] <blue_misfit> I don't see a way to get equivalent functionality in XenCenter/XenServer.
[01:51:59] <blue_misfit> so basically, I have two active NICs on this particular host
[01:52:08] <blue_misfit> one is dedicated to the management interface
[01:52:18] <blue_misfit> how do I get two VMs to share the other NIC?
[01:52:36] <blue_misfit> In VMWare I'd just NAT the two.
[01:53:45] <kdavy_> blue_misfit, you create a "virtual network", and assign it to the NIC and the guest VMs. you can either use or not use VLANs - does not matter
[01:56:18] <kdavy_> here's an example: http://i55.tinypic.com/2hz4ytz.png
[01:56:24] <blue_misfit> kdavy_: Thanks for the info. I'm not sure how to create a "virtual network". I haven't seen it mentioned yet in XenCenter
[01:56:46] <blue_misfit> I see
[01:56:49] <blue_misfit> I'll have to play around
[01:56:50] <kdavy_> open XenCenter, select a host, open Network tab, press "Add Network" as on the screenshot
[01:57:35] <kdavy_> there is no such thing as NATed essentially, the networks are like separate virtual switches. No routing is done by default
[01:58:09] <kdavy_> (or at all. you have to use a virtual appliance that you'd build yourself if you need routing or any advanced access control features)
[01:59:13] <blue_misfit> gotcha
[01:59:17] <blue_misfit> thanks!
[01:59:23] <kdavy_> no problem :)
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[03:35:11] <blue_misfit> another question gentlemen
[03:35:28] <blue_misfit> If I go about and configure a VM
[03:35:39] <blue_misfit> then want to replicate that VM across multiple physical servers (16 to be exact)
[03:35:47] <blue_misfit> can I do that easily with XenServer free?
[03:58:51] <kdavy> blue_misfit, yes, you can create a template from the VM, then spawn new identical servers based on the same template, on different hosts. All you need is shared storage for this - iScsi, NFS or Fibre Channel
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[03:59:31] <kdavy> without shared storage you'd have to export the VM and then import to each host with local storage
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[04:02:31] <blue_misfit> kdavy: yes I won't have shared storage. at least, not yet.
[04:02:43] <blue_misfit> the whole point of this build is to implement shared storage via gluster
[04:02:51] <blue_misfit> thanks for the info
[04:02:58] <blue_misfit> I may just do things on bare metal
[04:09:44] <kdavy> blue_misfit: yea you could do either way
[04:10:07] <kdavy> maybe it can be easier to PXE-boot on bare metal than it will be to virtualize everything
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[14:40:01] <tabularasa> morning peeps
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[15:11:17] <makson> orning everyone
[15:12:39] <JarianGibson> yo
[15:14:38] <tabularasa> hows it going
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[17:14:14] <brad[]> What happens if an NFS repository's partition fills?
[17:14:29] <brad[]> Do all virtual machine images become corrupt or does XenServer gracefully handle it?
[17:15:06] <pak21> The images won't become corrupt.
[17:28:02] <brad[]> What does happen? Are the VM's suspendedwhen they try to write?
[17:29:11] <pak21> I believe they just hang. But don't quote me on that.
[17:29:48] <Shabutie> ok xenapp time
[17:29:50] <Shabutie> this better rock
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[17:58:12] <Shabutie> xenapp on server 2008- says it requires a fresh install but is that saying not to install sp1 before xenapp?
[18:01:10] <Meson> Windows SP1?
[18:21:16] <Shabutie> server 2008 sp1
[18:21:39] <Shabutie> see i installed a fresh server 2008, ran windows updates, installed sp1, joined it to the domain but now i get errors trying to install xenapp
[18:21:43] <Shabutie> not sure if i should have installed sp1 or not
[18:29:17] <Meson> XenApp is not supported on SP1.
[18:31:27] <Shabutie> yea just read that
[18:31:28] <Shabutie> woops
[18:31:29] <Shabutie> Start with fresh install of Windows 2008 R2
[18:31:29] <Shabutie> NO Windows Updates - NO .NET 4
[18:31:41] <Shabutie> when i read only 2008 r2 i thought it meant not 2003
[18:31:46] <Shabutie> i guess it meant really only 2008 r2
[18:31:46] <Shabutie> heh
[20:00:25] <tabularasa> I thought Citrix supports R2 SP1 now
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[20:13:00] <Shabutie> something i read said it is supported but there are glitches
[20:13:14] <Shabutie> dunno though because i just tried to reinstall xenapp and it is working with R2 - no errors
[20:13:21] <Shabutie> maybe it was a .nET 4 conflict
[20:15:43] <tabularasa> yeah, google XenApp 6 R2 SP1 and there is a citrix KB artivle
[20:18:02] <Shabutie> i didnt really need sp1 so no biggie
[20:18:10] <Shabutie> first time using xenapp - installing my apps now
[20:18:31] <Shabutie> one question - for Outlook as a webapp
[20:18:40] <Shabutie> when you publish it where does it store the users ost file
[20:18:45] <Shabutie> on their local computer or on the server?
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[20:19:34] <Gnoze5> Hello
[20:19:52] <Gnoze5> If i want to use xenapp with linux clients to virtualize MS Office
[20:20:00] <Gnoze5> what kind of licensing do I need from MS?
[20:20:23] <Shabutie> windows server license, office license - per user / per device
[20:20:29] <Shabutie> not sure how cals work connecting to the server
[20:20:31] <Shabutie> hmm
[20:20:54] <Gnoze5> windows server license tu run office?
[20:20:59] <Gnoze5> *to
[20:22:46] <Shabutie> i believe so - you would have a windows server running - install xenapp on it - install office on it - setup office as a packaged app
[20:22:54] <Shabutie> right there thats a server license to have windows server that has office installed
[20:22:59] <Gnoze5> hm
[20:23:05] <Gnoze5> does it really have to be windows server?
[20:23:18] <Shabutie> where else would you install the office software
[20:23:19] <Gnoze5> and do i need cals per user? or an office license per user would be enough?
[20:23:26] <Gnoze5> on a windows 7?
[20:24:03] <Gnoze5> i mean
[20:24:04] <Shabutie> xenapp 6 runs on server 2008
[20:24:06] <Gnoze5> its far fetched just asking
[20:24:12] <Gnoze5> i would assume xenapp runs on winserver of course
[20:24:18] <Shabutie> ill be honest
[20:24:30] <Shabutie> it gets expensive
[20:24:42] <Gnoze5> well
[20:24:53] <Gnoze5> by using linux clients would save on the local machines license?
[20:25:27] <Shabutie> yea but microsoft tries to be sneaky with their licensing . might wanna google some otpions
[20:25:36] <Shabutie> server 2008 offers a terminal server system that lets u publish apps
[20:25:41] <Shabutie> it works pretty well with office
[20:25:51] <Shabutie> but wont publish to linux unless there is something im missing
[20:26:01] <Gnoze5> well
[20:26:09] <Gnoze5> linux is a supportec lient for xenapp
[20:26:12] <Shabutie> so now your looking at xenapp licensing, office licensing and win server licensing
[20:26:12] <Gnoze5> *supported
[20:26:14] <Shabutie> right
[20:26:25] <Gnoze5> xenapp licensing
[20:26:29] <Gnoze5> i would need per user
[20:26:31] <Shabutie> i just wonder if that means you pay for 1 server license and your cals are all through xenapp
[20:26:35] <Shabutie> which would make sense
[20:26:37] <Gnoze5> that would be at least 100usd per user
[20:27:01] <Gnoze5> im sure someone knows this very well..
[20:27:33] <Shabutie> yea might wanna check citrix xenapp forums
[20:27:37] <Shabutie> this channel isnt too busy
[20:27:52] <Shabutie> though u gave me some ideas - i didnt think about pushing to mac osx
[20:27:55] <Shabutie> but that would work
[20:28:10] <Shabutie> why not call a company like dell
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[20:28:13] <Gnoze5> mac is supported as well
[20:28:16] <Shabutie> they can get licensing resources to find out the cost
[20:28:46] <Gnoze5> i even heard some people use ldap in nix to replace the need of AD for xendesktop
[20:31:19] <Shabutie> ad would do you know good anyway
[20:31:23] <Shabutie> just find some good kb articles on it
[20:31:31] <Shabutie> since the instructions do not cover that
[20:31:40] <Gnoze5> we use AD a lot
[20:31:50] <Gnoze5> but i want to understand if there are alternatives
[20:31:53] <tabularasa> what is the question?
[20:32:01] <tabularasa> you trying to figure out licensing for what?
[20:32:08] <Gnoze5> tabularasa: hey there :)
[20:32:33] <Gnoze5> tabularasa: im trying to figure out how I how could virtualize office with xenapp using linux clients
[20:32:41] <Gnoze5> tabularasa: what kind of licensing i would need
[20:32:52] <tabularasa> windows cal, RDS cal, XenApp cal, office license
[20:33:07] <Shabutie> my question on that was - do you need windows cals for each user
[20:33:14] <tabularasa> yes
[20:33:16] <Shabutie> ouch
[20:33:16] <tabularasa> per named user
[20:33:29] <Gnoze5> hm so essentially its the same price as having windows clients?
[20:33:38] <Shabutie> its more cause you are also paying for a xenapp cal
[20:33:43] <Shabutie> just to give you the ability to push it to linux
[20:34:02] <Gnoze5> thats ridiculous
[20:34:53] <Gnoze5> daylight robbery
[20:35:33] <Gnoze5> tabularasa: you have an idea how much that would cost per named user?
[20:37:37] <tabularasa> 25 for windows, 70 for RDS, 250 for xenapp, and 300+ for office
[20:37:41] <tabularasa> unless you go SPLA
[20:37:48] <Gnoze5> what?!
[20:38:32] <tabularasa> it is what it is, sorry
[20:38:43] <tabularasa> doesn't matter what you push it to
[20:38:52] <tabularasa> its a user running citrix/rds/office
[20:39:01] <Shabutie> yea i have all the office licenses but we are trying to save money on mnew computers andw ant to use xenserver - to me
[20:39:02] <Shabutie> we wont save money
[20:39:06] <Shabutie> but for administrative purposes
[20:39:09] <Shabutie> it will be a timesaver
[20:39:11] <tabularasa> not at all
[20:39:15] <tabularasa> correct
[20:39:23] <Gnoze5> hm
[20:39:24] <Shabutie> i wont tell them that
[20:39:25] <Shabutie> heh
[20:39:29] <Shabutie> ill just buy it and say sorry suckers
[20:39:42] <Gnoze5> well if you can run office locally
[20:39:46] <tabularasa> you save money on the windows OS on the endpoints
[20:39:49] <Gnoze5> and use desktop virtualization
[20:39:52] <tabularasa> and administration of the endpoints
[20:39:55] <tabularasa> thats for sure
[20:39:55] <Gnoze5> it will be much cheaper
[20:39:59] <Shabutie> i have users that constantly have performance issues
[20:40:08] <Shabutie> in microsoft dynamics + office
[20:40:14] <tabularasa> dynamics ftl
[20:40:23] <Shabutie> dynamics is the biggest piece of shit
[20:40:32] <Shabutie> im migrating most portions to salesforce
[20:40:35] <tabularasa> yup
[20:40:37] <tabularasa> good thinking
[20:40:51] <Gnoze5> tabularasa: If I use xendesktop hosted vdi and include office in the image you can use a regular office license correct?
[20:41:02] <Gnoze5> you dont need any extra cals/licenses
[20:41:08] <Gnoze5> just xendesktop
[20:41:24] <Gnoze5> well of course the windows with SA
[20:41:28] <tabularasa> yes
[20:41:32] <tabularasa> no need for RDS cal
[20:41:37] <tabularasa> or windows server CAL
[20:41:48] <tabularasa> you will need Windows w/ SA and XenDesktop license
[20:41:52] <tabularasa> and office license
[20:42:01] <Gnoze5> yeah
[20:42:01] <tabularasa> how much do you get office for?
[20:42:09] <tabularasa> pro is like 300 bucks i thought
[20:42:12] <Gnoze5> well depends
[20:42:21] <Gnoze5> but for our first real virtualization client
[20:42:25] <Gnoze5> they have free licenses from MS
[20:42:35] <tabularasa> gotcha
[20:42:43] <Gnoze5> and they already have
[20:42:47] <Gnoze5> office + win with SA
[20:42:52] <tabularasa> XenDesktop is cheaper licensing, but has greatere hardware costs
[20:43:02] <Gnoze5> yeah clearly
[20:43:15] <Gnoze5> but HW costs are getting better
[20:43:24] <Gnoze5> MS licenses arent.
[20:43:25] <Gnoze5> lol
[20:43:31] <tabularasa> true dat
[20:44:48] <Gnoze5> what about the new web based office host services?
[20:44:50] <Gnoze5> office 365 and all that
[20:45:01] <Gnoze5> anyone using that?
[20:46:14] <Shabutie> cloud is where its at
[20:46:37] <tabularasa> I don't know much about office 365 yet
[20:46:55] <Gnoze5> i mean the plans start at 6usd per month..
[20:47:14] <tabularasa> SPLA cost for Office is like $10 / month
[20:48:09] <Shabutie> here's the prob
[20:48:13] <Shabutie> microsoft loves IE
[20:48:17] <Shabutie> they loev it so much most of their apps require it
[20:48:19] <Gnoze5> hmn right
[20:48:26] <Shabutie> so microsoft dynamics online only runs in IE
[20:48:27] <Gnoze5> its not a matter of love lol
[20:48:31] <Gnoze5> they make it work only in IE
[20:48:36] <Shabutie> i would doubt it would work in firefox - let alone a browser in linux
[20:48:44] <Gnoze5> so that they still have people buying MS license..
[20:48:58] <Shabutie> OS Requirements:
[20:48:59] <Shabutie>     Windows 7
[20:48:59] <Shabutie>     Windows Vista with Service Pack 2
[20:48:59] <Shabutie>     Windows XP with Service Pack 3
[20:48:59] <Shabutie>     Windows XP Home Edition is supported, but it will not support federated identity
[20:48:59] <Shabutie>     Windows XP Media Center Edition is supported, but it will not support federated identity
[20:48:59] <Shabutie>     Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, 10.6 Snow Leopard
[20:49:12] <Shabutie>     Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 (for Windows XP)
[20:49:13] <Shabutie>     Java client 1.4.2 (for Macintosh OS X)
[20:49:17] <Shabutie> so java 1.4.2 is what will run it
[20:49:23] <Shabutie> so maybe it will run in linux
[20:49:36] <Shabutie>     Internet Explorer 7 or later
[20:49:36] <Shabutie>     Firefox 3 or later
[20:49:36] <Shabutie>     Safari 3 or later on Macintosh OS X 10.5
[20:49:36] <Shabutie>     Chrome 3 and later versions
[20:49:36] <Shabutie>     Outlook Web App also has a light version that supports a reduced set of features on almost any browser
[20:49:51] <Shabutie> then again none of this has anything to do with citrix
[20:49:52] <Shabutie> but still
[20:49:52] <Shabutie> lol
[20:50:17] <Shabutie> so in the past hour i got xenapp 6 installed
[20:50:23] <Shabutie> got gp 10 installed with all my modules configured
[20:50:27] <Shabutie> and it is now connected
[20:50:28] <Shabutie> yay
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[20:56:50] <Shabutie> so how do you get an icon on a desktop that automatically connects to your web xenserver
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[22:45:59] <gazzo> ^_^
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[23:19:09] <gnoze5> hello
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