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[00:12:15] <nikade> kdavy: no i have no experience, we use HP and dell
[00:12:54] <kdavy> well i was just saying. we use IBM, but x86 only with the exception of one System i520
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[00:17:41] <nikade> hehe
[00:17:41] <nikade> okay
[00:19:27] <kdavy> JarianGibson: around?
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[00:40:11] <ScottCochran_> evening boys
[00:40:43] <kdavy> evening ScottCochran_
[00:41:01] <kdavy> it's been dead in here today
[00:41:39] <ScottCochran_> Anyone seen the Search Tab on XenServer not display stats?  It shows all the VM's and their configure CPU/Memory/etc but not whats being used like other hosts
[00:43:05] <kdavy> ScottCochran_: by stats you mean Disk and Network?
[00:43:26] <kdavy> or everything - CPU, Mem, Disk, Network
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[00:44:22] <ScottCochran> everything is not showing... All counters are sitting at 0
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[00:45:35] <kdavy> hmm... no i've never seen that. if you don't have XS Tools installed, it'll tell you that; otherwise the only thing i can think of is either XenCenter/XenServer version mismatch or something wrong with xapi service
[00:47:28] <ScottCochran> Yea its weird.  All hosts are 5.6 FP1, XenCenter 5.6 FP1, all VM tools 5.6 FP1...  I restarted the host and the XAPI service but still nothing...  We had a big outage last night and all hosts were down.  Even Citix escalation didnt know why this issue is happening
[00:48:27] <nikade> im sticking to 5.6 actually
[00:48:37] <nikade> i had some network problems in 5.6 fp1
[00:48:49] <ScottCochran> like?
[00:49:10] <nikade> well google for fp1+Intel 82576 Gigabit
[00:49:17] <ScottCochran> After the outage last night we cannot get DNS to work with the XenServer hosts... All VMs DNS works fine
[00:49:28] <kdavy> theoretically it could be a corrupt xapi-rrd, though i'm not sure if the realtime stats are grabbed from rrd or from elsewhere
[00:49:59] <ScottCochran> yea... You ever seen DNS not work on just the hosts?
[00:50:22] <nikade> ScottCochran: can you ping your ns servers?
[00:50:31] <ScottCochran> yep
[00:50:34] <ScottCochran> so weird
[00:50:36] <kdavy> ScottCochran: hmm... DNS, performance stats... sounds like it could be a firewall issue
[00:50:57] <ScottCochran> Well the other hosts work fine with the Stats...
[00:50:58] <nikade> yeah
[00:51:25] <nikade> ScottCochran: do you actually see the DNS requests and simular in tcpdump?
[00:51:29] <kdavy> can you telnet into the dns servers from the hosts on port 53?
[00:51:41] <ScottCochran> the hosts can ping the DNS servers fine... Nothing has changed tho.
[00:51:46] <ScottCochran> ill try telnet
[00:52:02] <nikade> what does "host -a www.google.com" gives you?
[00:52:09] <nikade> does it try to resolve?
[00:52:26] <kdavy> this could happen if a set of changes on the firewall was never written to flash memory - as soon as firewall reboots the config is reverted to whatever was last saved
[00:52:51] <ScottCochran> yes telnet to 53 works
[00:53:19] <ScottCochran> it does try, brings back the ip of google.com
[00:53:29] <nikade> so it kind of works?
[00:53:46] <nikade> doesnt seem like a dns issue if you get the ip of google.com
[00:53:55] <nikade> more rather a firewall issue as kdavy sugested
[00:54:10] <nikade> suggested*
[00:54:21] <ScottCochran> yea there is no firewall internal when going to and from the same subnet
[00:54:38] <nikade> is the dns a virtual machine?
[00:54:38] <kdavy> ScottCochran: not even ACL's on the switch?
[00:54:59] <ScottCochran> nope.. .yes dns is a VM
[00:55:32] <ScottCochran> the seitch, firewalls, etc had no outage
[00:56:00] <nikade> hmm, what if you try to use google dns in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[00:56:06] <nikade> 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
[00:56:09] <nikade> does that make any difference?
[00:56:18] <ScottCochran> The NetApp nodes were safley rebooted and it caused the XenServers to freak out and crash
[00:56:44] <kdavy> i've had an interesting snafu happen not long ago btw - just sharing. configured remote syslog on a Cisco PIX firewall to use TCP instead of UDP - did not think. as soon as i rebooted the syslog server to install an update PIX stopped passing through new flows, but kept existing ones alive
[00:56:46] <ScottCochran> i put 8.8.8.8 the Primary Management DNS
[00:56:51] <ScottCochran> did help
[00:57:14] <ScottCochran> didnt help *
[00:57:47] <nikade> ScottCochran: no idea then man if its not a firewall
[00:58:12] <kdavy> it's gotta be something on the network...
[00:58:46] <kdavy> NIC bonding and LACP on switch is another idea, unlikely but possible - once again if the switch/router config was never saved
[00:59:01] <ScottCochran> the only thing I think it may be is the clients proxy server...  When you do a trace rout the packets drop at the proxy but then again the do the same thing when doing it from a working VM
[00:59:30] <kdavy> ScottCochran: the traceroute won't do you any good
[00:59:31] <ScottCochran> There is no bonding in this environment, client had 0 extra ports
[00:59:53] <ScottCochran> kdavy why?
[01:00:54] <kdavy> ScottCochran: that's like using ping to measure packet drop rates for a residential ISP connection... too many devices either deprioritize ICMP or simply discard the packets silently
[01:02:01] <ScottCochran> i guess so
[01:10:24] <kdavy> nikade, i prefer 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 by the way :)
[01:11:35] <ScottCochran> really?  I like Google's 8.8.8.8
[01:11:55] <kdavy> it's just a matter of habit
[01:12:19] <ScottCochran> I at least know the massive infrastructure they have around the world, and it's easy to remember : )
[01:12:30] <kdavy> on a numeric keypad, "8" is too high up to reach
[01:12:36] <kdavy> :-P
[01:12:38] <ScottCochran> lol
[01:12:49] <ScottCochran> So what IRC client do you use on PC?
[01:12:59] <kdavy> Colloquy on Mac
[01:13:20] <ScottCochran> damnit... I use Colloquy on iPhone and iPad but no Windows version : (
[01:13:56] <kdavy> i need to find a good graphical IRC client for Solaris...
[01:14:39] <ScottCochran> Solaris?
[01:14:47] <kdavy> yeah
[01:14:51] <ScottCochran> why
[01:15:11] <kdavy> IllumOS to be more precise
[01:15:11] <ScottCochran> Im not a unix guy but isnt that a Server OS?
[01:15:18] <kdavy> it is
[01:15:35] <ScottCochran> are you using it as a client?
[01:16:05] <kdavy> i want to use it on my primary work machine, as a client
[01:19:19] <ScottCochran> kdavy Hmm my client is messed up.. I saw a pop up of the last msg you sent to me but not showing in my chat window.  You said something about Nexenta?
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[01:22:05] <ScottCochran_> Kdavy can u send the msg again about Nexenta, I switch to my iPad client
[01:23:47] <kdavy> done
[01:33:00] <ScottCochran> gotcha'
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[01:42:19] <ScottCochran> nice!
[01:45:02] <kdavy> we'll see
[02:15:21] <ScottCochran> kdavy Fixed the DNS issue... Caused a new default setting on Server 2008 R2 DNS servers, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/832223
[02:16:05] <ScottCochran> I recently migrated this client to an all 2008 R2 Domain, including new DNS servers
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[02:26:53] <kdavy> ScottCochran: Interesting and bizarre... why 512 bytes?
[02:30:05] <ScottCochran> not sure... I also just fixed the Search Tab issue.  The hosts were point at the old NTP servers (Domain Controllers).  As soon as a updated to the new DC's all perf metrics started flowing!
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[10:29:37] <censor> hi all
[10:30:29] <censor> i have an issue with XenServer 5.6 FP1, when migrating a VM from one host to another, the VNC console of that VM dies, and it looks like the whole VM freezes
[10:31:28] <censor> i'm running a ping on the VM, to ensure that the ARP table on the switch is updated, this used to be a sufficient workaround on 5.5, but this obviously doesn't work if the whole VM freezes ;-)
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[13:06:17] <Rienzilla> hmm this sucks
[13:06:29] <Rienzilla> I imported a .xva (which was exported from xeserver 5.5)
[13:06:43] <Rienzilla> and the resulting virtual disks seem to contain an invalid partition table
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[13:16:17] <Rienzilla> at least, one of them
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[13:55:48] <tabularasa> morning peeps
[13:56:53] <Rienzilla> hey tabularasa
[13:57:11] <Rienzilla> do you have any experience in fixing a broken .xva?
[13:57:33] <Rienzilla> I exported one, and importing it results in a disk which does not contain the partition table it used to contain :(
[13:57:41] <tabularasa> i do not
[13:57:44] <tabularasa> and damn, that sucks
[13:58:53] <Rienzilla> well the data is not gone, but it's gonna be a pita to restore it
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[14:02:32] <tabularasa> yeah, that blows
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[15:48:38] <tabularasa> got my final Nexenta quote.  Doesn't really look like anyone else is even close to this
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[16:28:12] <JarianGibson> tabularasa: what's it at?
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[16:57:08] <kdavy_> morning all
[16:57:12] <kdavy_> JarianGibson: yo
[16:57:27] <kdavy_> tabularasa, told ya :)
[16:58:10] <jduggan> ive got my first nexenta poc box setup
[16:58:43] <kdavy_> jduggan, how's it working out?
[16:59:07] <jduggan> its only a small box
[16:59:25] <jduggan> right now raidz1 with 3x3tb in the pool and a single 120gb l2arc ssd
[16:59:53] <kdavy_> hm, so you found a controller that supports the 3Tb drives?
[17:00:13] <tabularasa> JarianGibson: ~58k
[17:00:29] <tabularasa> thats with 5 years onsite hardware support and 5 years Nexenta support
[17:00:43] <kdavy_> tabularasa, Nice. platinum support?
[17:00:45] <tabularasa> plus, i got him to alter it with onboard OS, so i get full 24 slots of goodness
[17:00:46] <tabularasa> yes
[17:00:54] <kdavy_> awesome
[17:01:07] <tabularasa> big time
[17:01:39] <kdavy_> did you use the OCZ PCIe drive for onboard OS?
[17:02:10] <tabularasa> labelled as - 16GB SATA DOM - DLC
[17:02:17] <tabularasa> s/DLC/SLC
[17:02:45] <JarianGibson> hey kdavy_
[17:03:09] <JarianGibson> tabularasa: nice
[17:03:15] <tabularasa> yeah, i'm impressed so far
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[17:04:04] <kdavy_> JarianGibson, can you DM me? my irc client is messed up and i cant open a DM window myself :-/
[17:04:38] <JarianGibson> kdavy_: just did
[17:28:48] <jduggan> kdavy_: yea an intel controller on a xeon server board.   right now getting 280mb/s read and ~250mb/s writes testing with bonnie and dd etc.. Not fantastic raw throughput but im hoping the concurrency will be much much better than my current lvm/xfs setup in linux
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[17:49:04] <tabularasa> They have 800GB SSDs?
[17:53:18] <kdavy_> tabularasa, "they"?
[17:54:18] <kdavy_> Intel 320 only goes up to 600Gb
[17:54:59] <kdavy_> jduggan, should be decent, especially on writes. zfs works that way
[17:56:50] <tabularasa> wierd... i got a quote from IceWEB that states 800GB drives
[17:59:23] <JarianGibson> intel 320 out yet?
[17:59:25] <JarianGibson> 600gb
[18:01:26] <kdavy_> JarianGibson, yeah it is
[18:01:35] <kdavy_> that's what tabularasa's design is based on
[18:01:49] <JarianGibson> nice
[18:02:00] <kdavy_> other vendors have 800gb SSDs based on sandforce... Samsung also has 800gb ones i think
[18:02:44] <kdavy_> 800gb's are essentially 1Tb drives with 28% undercommit
[18:13:15] <kreign> kdavy, domU is a 64 bit VM on XS, isn't it?
[18:14:43] <kreign> kdavy, trying to diagnose a potential hw issue.
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[18:21:13] <kreign> tabularasa, what design? :)
[18:21:43] <LedHed> I'm trying to install xs-tools 5.6 on Centos 5.5 i386.  It placed the binaries in /usr/sbin, and placed the init script in /etc/init.d/  but when I try to run start the xe-linux-distribution service, nothing happens, and nothing shows up in the process list.
[18:39:09] <tabularasa> kreign: my 16k Xendesktop design
[18:39:15] <tabularasa> s/my/the
[18:40:36] <kdavy_> kreign, DomU can be both 32bit and 64bit
[18:41:04] <kdavy_> or, well, emulated hardware is 64bit, but you can put a 32bit DomU OS there :)
[18:42:01] <kreign> tabularasa, as in, can support 16k XenDesktops?
[18:42:59] <kreign> kdavy, right, what I mean is: the 'management' host  that has xapi and ssh access - that's a domu, isn't it? the 'default' would be 64 bit?
[18:43:37] <kdavy_> that's a Dom0, and it is 32bit afair
[18:43:47] <kdavy_> hence the 4gb ram limitation for Dom0
[18:43:49] <kreign> hmm
[18:43:53] <kreign> ah
[18:43:57] <tabularasa> kreign: yes
[18:44:04] <kreign> tabularasa, interesting.
[18:44:05] <kdavy_> 64bit Dom0 will only be available in Xen 4.0 based kernels and above
[18:44:12] <kreign> tabularasa, do the VM hosts automatically provision?
[18:44:18] <kreign> kdavy, gotcha.
[18:44:29] <tabularasa> kreign: haven't gotten that far
[18:44:37] <kreign> tabularasa, vmware or xs?
[18:45:20] <kreign> kdavy, well, damn.
[18:45:31] <tabularasa> vmware
[18:45:39] <kreign> kdavy, think i may have told you, i've got one of those new zacate boards and I can't get 64 bit virtualization working.
[18:45:48] <kreign> tabularasa, look for the esx/esxi midwife scripts.
[18:46:24] <kreign> implement it with gpxe and you can have a completely 'delocalized' virtualization environment that 'auto-provisions'
[18:47:15] <kdavy_> zacate?
[18:47:24] <kreign> kdavy, yeah, amd bobcat based chipset.
[18:47:49] <kdavy_> ah cool.
[18:47:50] <kreign> and of course esxi doesn't support the drive controller (as near as I can tell, from the error(s) I get when booting the installer, and xs doesn't support the NIC (realtek)
[18:48:07] <kreign> so having some difficulty determining with certainty what the duce is going on
[18:48:21] <kreign> might try a hyper-v/windows install just to test it.
[18:48:25] <kreign> see if it's a board issue.
[18:48:45] <kreign> kdavy, I've got the ass rock/ASRock one, fwiw. friend has an asus that works fine.
[18:48:52] <kreign> it may be a linux kernel svm bug.
[18:49:03] <kreign> supposedly they fixed a lot in 2.6.37
[18:52:08] <kreign> anyway
[18:52:36] <kreign> kdavy, I'm honestly not that intimate w/ how XS works wrt/ the 'controlling' VM
[18:53:02] <kreign> i'm assuming it's "just another" guest, but with ring 0 privilege
[19:09:27] <jduggan> LedHed: im not 100% but i think you need to be running a xen kernel for xen tools to run/work
[19:09:42] <LedHed> jduggan, ok
[19:09:45] <LedHed> thanks
[19:17:14] <JarianGibson> png
[19:17:45] <tabularasa> kdavy_: http://www.stec-inc.com/interface/sas.php
[19:18:09] <tabularasa> "We are using a 3.5? 6G SAS drive from Stec. Compellent and IBM also OEM their drives from STEC. "
[19:18:37] <kreign> tabularasa, ... damn that's gotta be $$$.
[19:22:57] <tabularasa> lmao, yeah, its about 5x what the Nexenta quote is
[19:35:13] <kreign> tabularasa, huh really? the comellent quote I got wasn't that much more.
[19:35:21] <kreign> tabularasa, where'd you get your nexenta quote(s)?
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[19:49:39] <tabularasa> heh, i can't even get a Compellent quote.  They suck ass
[19:49:50] <tabularasa> Got the nexenta quote from kdavy_ 's peeps at PogoLinux
[19:50:04] <kreign> ah
[19:51:02] <tabularasa> 58k for 14.4 raw and 5 years hardware/software support
[19:51:14] <tabularasa> Thats education pricing though, but i'm sure its not too much more otherwise
[19:51:54] <Rienzilla> 14.4t raw storage?
[19:52:07] <tabularasa> all SSD
[19:52:11] <Rienzilla> oh
[19:52:12] <Rienzilla> heh
[19:52:21] <tabularasa> yeah, that makes a difference.  :)
[19:52:33] <Rienzilla> yeah I was wondering how that was so expensive, but ok :D
[19:54:05] <tabularasa> pretty sick if you ask me.
[19:54:35] <kreign> tabularasa, how much of that 15T raw is SSD?
[19:54:41] <kreign> oh
[19:54:42] <kreign> all of it
[19:54:43] <kreign> heh
[19:54:49] <tabularasa> heh... yup
[19:54:51] <kreign> damn
[19:55:22] <kreign> tabularasa, ok, so which storage interconnect are you using?
[19:55:30] <kreign> and how 'redundant' is the host/architecture?
[19:57:13] <tabularasa> 4x 10Gig iSCSI
[19:57:35] <tabularasa> kreign: not sure exactly... kdavy_ knows more, i'm aure
[19:57:36] <tabularasa> sure
[19:58:27] <kreign> tabularasa, ah, he spec'd if for ya?
[19:59:04] <kreign> there's some pretty interesting 10gig/40gig fabric from, iirc, Juniper right now
[19:59:40] <tabularasa> All of it will be going on Cisco UCS infrastructure
[20:01:39] <kreign> I can't believe Juniper isn't completely raping Cisco.
[20:02:12] <kreign> tabularasa, also, I would advise against that move.
[20:02:13] <kreign> strongly.
[20:02:18] <kreign> VERY VERY strongly.
[20:02:26] <tabularasa> UCS ?
[20:02:30] <kreign> yes.
[20:02:34] <tabularasa> why?
[20:02:37] <kreign> if you're talking about cisco 'servers'?
[20:02:48] <tabularasa> UCS is fan freaking tastic
[20:02:51] <kreign> :|
[20:02:57] <tabularasa> their MCS is meh... but UCS is sweet
[20:03:37] <tabularasa> UCS is the blade setup
[20:03:44] <kreign> well let me ask, what do you like about them?
[20:04:03] <kreign> you realize they're re-badged HPs?
[20:04:32] <tabularasa> The MCS servers are.  I'd imagine the UCS ones are too.... but HP doesn't sell anything like UCS
[20:05:31] <tabularasa> Their memory architecture is sick, the fabric is great, and all of the converged networking is awesome
[20:05:35] <kreign> yeah they're all HPs as far as I know.
[20:05:42] <kreign> tabularasa, your warranty and/or support will be horrible.
[20:06:13] <kreign> I'm nto intimate with the product line but I know someone who works in their 'server' call center
[20:06:21] <kreign> it's the most dysfunctional place I've ever heard of
[20:06:22] <tabularasa> wow..  i've been working with Cisco for like 10 years and have a great experience
[20:07:04] <kreign> tabularasa, for instance, they have no knowledge base and their ticketing system only has access to it via telnet, over a slooooow link. if they've got to look up a part, they look on HPs site.
[20:07:26] <kreign> tabularasa, this is specific to the 'servers' mind you not switches.
[20:09:50] <kreign> supposedly cisco corporate is in a bit of disarray right now, too, but the claims I've heard from a friend working there are so strong I'm not going to say
[20:10:08] <tabularasa> wierd... i havel ike 4 friends that work there... all tell me UCS is great
[20:10:11] <kreign> tabularasa, the friend working for the cisco server call center has been there for about 3 weeks, and he's already interviewed at two other places.
[20:10:19] <kreign> tabularasa, there = cisco?
[20:10:20] <tabularasa> interesting
[20:10:23] <tabularasa> yes, cisco
[20:10:34] <tabularasa> I appreciate the heads up though, for sure
[20:11:07] <kreign> tabularasa, I don't personally like cisco due to the cost and a number of other factors (product consistency isn't what it used to be, which is IMO one of the big selling points for something like a switch)  but that's besides the point.
[20:13:26] <tabularasa> I can understand that.  Well, we are a Cisco partner, so we get a pretty heafy discount on things, and being a partner we never really had a problem with support
[20:13:34] <tabularasa> Citrix themselves did a reference design with UCS.
[20:13:55] <tabularasa> I think having a blade that has 32 cores and 256gigs of RAM is pretty sweet, and 40Gig connectivity between blades...
[20:14:03] <tabularasa> HP doesn't have such a configuration
[20:14:16] <tabularasa> I could probably get something similar in the IBM realm, but we aren't too strong with IBM
[20:16:41] <JarianGibson> hp virtual connect
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[20:18:09] <gblfxt> ssl error 41, csg seems to enjoy ssl errors
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[20:19:34] <gblfxt> ive seen ssl error 61, which mac clients like throwing, but this is a first for ssl error 41
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[20:24:07] <kreign> gblfxt, heh
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[20:24:28] <kreign> tabularasa, 'too strong with IBM' meaning, in terms of profit/benefit?
[20:24:36] <kreign> tabularasa, er, cost benefit
[20:24:38] <kreign> or knowledge?
[20:24:43] <kreign> tabularasa, where in the country are you?
[20:24:59] <kreign> I know of an MSP that should be able to sell kit for a bit less than IBM asks
[20:27:17] <tabularasa> we aren't an IBM reseller, so we don't have much knowledge with them
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[20:46:12] <tabularasa> Anyone use a full featured copier/printer in their XenApp environments?  Stapling and shit, etc ?
[20:49:59] <tabularasa> Compellent only seems to have a 146gig SSD... :-/
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[22:40:01] <nategimp> Help with intermittent Profile Manager load failure please
[22:42:07] <nategimp> We have Xendesktop 4 with Win7 desktops in a mixed domain (2003 DC and a 2008 DC) running DFS.  Our profiles will fail to load part of the time.  The profile manger log will show "No Profile Found"
[22:42:22] <nategimp> The profile exists and the next time you log on you will pull the profile without issue.
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[22:49:40] <nategimp> Hello?  Any help out there today?
[22:51:50] <kdavy_> nategimp, be patient. we all have jobs, and are busy sometimes
[22:52:05] <kdavy_> did you enable advanced logging in the profile manager log?
[22:52:36] <kdavy_> also, what version of profile manager? I've had that on older ones - 3.0 or 2.1 i think, never had the issue on latest 3.1+
[22:54:15] <nategimp> I applogize.   I just didn't see any posts so I wasn't sure if anyone was active.
[22:54:28] <kdavy_> no problem :)
[22:54:46] <nategimp> I do have PM 3.2
[22:55:58] <nategimp> We did not have this problem until we upgraded one fo the DCs to 08....prior to that, the PM worked flawlessly.
[22:56:21] <kdavy_> is the network share where the profiles are on a DFS path?
[22:56:29] <nategimp> Yes
[22:56:55] <kdavy_> i think i remember something similar in my environment. it had to do with a cached domain controller entry in DNS - old domain controller that was turned off
[22:57:45] <kdavy_> it was a pain in the ass to get rid of... basically what would happen is, clients would attempt to resolve the DFS path against an unavailable DC, and fail as a result
[22:57:53] <nategimp> That is what we have sort of.  Instead of adding a new DC, we just built a new 08 box and named it the same hostname/ip as the 03 DC that we were taking down
[22:58:26] <kdavy_> did you recreate the computer account for the hostname?
[22:59:18] <kdavy_> there was also a hotfix of some sort... it's been a while so i dont think i'll be able to find it. but yes, definitely look in the direction of DFS - i dont think it has anything to do with profile manager
[22:59:27] <nategimp> Rerun the Join Domain?  Probably, but I could try again.
[22:59:49] <kdavy_> well, you can't exactly rerun Join Domain on a domain controller :)
[23:00:52] <nategimp> Agreed.
[23:02:12] <nategimp> I will give that a shot.  The log provides minimal info.   It shows it is building the share path correctly, then responds "No Profile Found"
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