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[00:11:57] <kdavy_> lol. nice 500Gb external drive - http://exler.ru/blog/upload/Image/500gb.jpg
[00:12:02] <kdavy_> http://exler.ru/blog/upload/Image/500gb-2.jpg
[00:29:43] <kdavy_> woah. http://www.supermicro.com/newsroom/pressreleases/2011/press110405_Westmere-EX.cfm
[00:30:19] <kdavy_> how's that for a VDI pod in a box?
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[00:36:15] <gblfxt> xenapp opening new apps on other servers, not same with current file open... :(
[00:36:55] <kdavy_> gblfxt, this might happen if qfarm /load of the current server is at 10000
[00:37:07] <kdavy_> or for other reasons :)
[00:37:44] <gblfxt> kdavy, thanks, ill check that, we are pretty packed right now
[00:38:28] <gblfxt> its a qb addon, needs to launch on the same server as qb.... :(
[00:38:55] <kdavy_> heh, yeah that could mess some things up
[00:39:10] <kdavy_> you need to change your nick to have "qb" in it
[00:39:25] <gblfxt> qblfxt? :(
[00:39:35] <kdavy_> yes, for example
[00:45:39] <tabularasa> back to studying...
[00:45:45] <tabularasa> Got my CCIE written tomorrow... yay
[00:47:05] <makson> gblfxt: sounds like session sharing issue, make sure all properties on the app mach, ie. resolution, audio, encryption etc.
[00:47:40] <tabularasa> kdavy_: damn... its over twice as expensive as the Whiptail solution...
[00:47:59] <kdavy_> tabularasa, the chassis has 4 FP and 3 LP slots - so you can have 80 Gb/s of network if you want :-P
[00:48:09] <kdavy_> whats over twice as expensive?
[00:48:12] <tabularasa> i figured.... just wanted to mention it
[00:48:14] <tabularasa> he just sent me a quote
[00:48:30] <makson> o0o0o.... how many TB of whiptail?
[00:48:34] <makson> 36?
[00:48:34] <kdavy_> heh, can you forward it to me? i'm curious
[00:48:37] <tabularasa> sure
[00:48:38] <makson> ditot
[00:48:39] <gblfxt> makson, thanks makson, ill go over those!
[00:48:40] <makson> ditto
[00:48:47] <makson> me too!
[00:49:09] <makson> gblfxt: see this => http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX159159
[00:49:31] <tabularasa> sent
[00:49:46] <tabularasa> Nexenta was 13.2 TB raw...  Whiptail was 12GB raw
[00:49:48] <makson> kdavy_: win7 can't be hosted in the cloud yet right? or under hosted service model?
[00:49:57] <tabularasa> techincally
[00:50:06] <kdavy_> tabularasa, are you on crack? the quote is for EIGHT units
[00:50:07] <makson> kdavy_: got marketing email from some company around here saying they do it
[00:50:33] <tabularasa> ohhhhhhhhhh
[00:50:37] <kdavy_> $46.6k per 13.2Tb unit
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[00:51:04] <makson> wow that's actually really good price.
[00:51:09] <makson> 12TB
[00:51:14] <makson> that's nexenta?
[00:51:17] <makson> and they support it ?
[00:51:28] <kdavy_> yes and yes and no shit it's a good price
[00:51:35] <tabularasa> holy crap thats a great price
[00:51:44] <tabularasa> i reneg.. its 1/3rd the cost of Whiptail..
[00:51:48] <tabularasa> lol
[00:51:57] <kdavy_> :)
[00:52:04] <tabularasa> holy shit
[00:52:05] <makson> lol u thought it was 300k for 1 unit
[00:52:08] <tabularasa> i did....
[00:52:14] <tabularasa> thats what other vendors have
[00:52:23] <tabularasa> I bet my Compellent quote will be that much
[00:52:32] <makson> tabularasa: what's whiptail at for 12TB? 200k or so?
[00:52:39] <tabularasa> 150k
[00:52:50] <kdavy_> tabularasa, Compellent charges 68k for 300Gb of solid state last i checked
[00:52:56] <makson> curious what whiptail has to say about pago...
[00:52:57] <makson> WOW !
[00:52:58] <kdavy_> that was about 6 months ago
[00:53:04] <makson> ha, HP was like 30k or something like that for 1 drive
[00:53:06] <makson> it was nuts
[00:53:07] <tabularasa> i get Dell's Compellent discount though
[00:53:16] <kdavy_> still, discount won'
[00:53:17] <tabularasa> so, we'll see
[00:53:21] <kdavy_> 't get you far
[00:53:23] <makson> XD5 is pretty slick.
[00:53:24] <tabularasa> i'm sure
[00:53:42] <tabularasa> How good is their support?
[00:53:50] <makson> just getting to play with it - hyperv, and sccvm
[00:54:05] <kdavy_> whose support, Compellent?
[00:54:46] <tabularasa> PogoLinux
[00:55:14] <kdavy_> oh. that i'm not sure about, but Nexenta platinum support is excellent when it comes to software
[00:55:26] <gblfxt> makson, thanks for article on session sharing, very informative!
[00:55:43] <kdavy_> Pogolinux does the hardware and installation + hardware warranty; Nexenta does the support for software
[00:56:29] <tabularasa> makes sense
[00:57:02] <kdavy_> might be a good idea to ask 3 year onsite support, next business day, parts & labor to be added to the quote he sent you - "return to depot" is their most basic level, and not an option in serious prod environments
[00:57:23] <kdavy_> it's $1700 per unit according to the website
[00:57:23] <tabularasa> yeah, i'm going to setup a call with him and talk about hardware/software support
[00:57:30] <tabularasa> not bad at all....
[00:58:21] <kdavy_> oh, when you set up the call, ask him why he didnt use 16-port LSI HBA's - that would save you a PCIe slot
[00:58:32] <tabularasa> kdavy_: thats for the hookup... this looks really promising
[00:58:41] <tabularasa> kk
[00:58:43] <kdavy_> you're welcome :)
[00:59:31] <tabularasa> you get commission?
[00:59:35] <tabularasa> I love this IRC channel...
[00:59:44] <tabularasa> sofa king helpful for our Citrix community
[00:59:47] <tabularasa> people just don't get it
[00:59:48] <kdavy_> nope, i don't have any arrangements with these guys
[01:00:01] <tabularasa> i was joking...  forgot the /sarcasm tab
[01:00:03] <kdavy_> but if you want to talk to them about it, fine by me :)
[01:00:44] <makson> yup channel rocks =)
[01:03:15] <tabularasa> Each pod is looking to cost around over a million
[01:03:29] <tabularasa> without services...
[01:03:35] <tabularasa> so, its probably a 5 million dollar deal
[01:03:44] <tabularasa> shit, my commission will be pretty sweet
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[01:03:49] <tabularasa> :)
[01:07:12] <kdavy_> tabularasa, yeah sounds like it
[01:07:27] <tabularasa> you like scotch?
[01:07:52] <kdavy_> nah, i normally don't drink hard liquor
[01:08:30] <kdavy_> though if i have scotch in my office, it won't last very long :)
[01:08:56] <tabularasa> I find scotch to be a good gift
[01:10:18] <kdavy_> yeah, that it is. we got our president a bottle of Glenlivet 25 for his last birthday - he loved it
[01:10:24] <tabularasa> oh my. no doubt
[01:11:57] <tabularasa> Mu buddy bought me some Chevis 18 for my divorce.... I enjoyed it
[01:12:11] <kdavy_> Chevis or Chivas?
[01:12:16] <tabularasa> Chivas
[01:12:18] <tabularasa> Regal
[01:12:21] <kdavy_> kk
[01:12:22] <tabularasa> i can't spell
[01:16:14] <tabularasa> damn, still can't believe it... 50k for a sweet ass superfast SAN
[01:16:21] <tabularasa> with 40GB
[01:17:05] <kdavy_> tabularasa, that's why i have two of them :)
[01:17:06] <tabularasa> kdavy_: what do you run those in?  RAID 5 6?
[01:17:54] <kdavy_> i run raidz2 (same as raid6 in essence) on the primary one, since i'm using old drives, and raidz (=raid5) on the 2U standalone appliance
[01:18:24] <tabularasa> in RAID6 i can have 12TB... then if i do 2.5Gig for the Write Cache, i can do about 4800 VDIs per pod
[01:19:29] <kdavy_> yea but then you'll have no hot spares left
[01:19:35] <tabularasa> 2 GB ram.... 1 gig OF... 2.5 gig WC...
[01:19:38] <tabularasa> doh...
[01:19:43] <tabularasa> RAID5 with a HS...
[01:19:47] <tabularasa> :)
[01:19:52] <kdavy_> yep :)
[01:20:35] <tabularasa> Work might be sending me to Summit...
[01:20:45] <kdavy_> just make sure you do your math right, getting the best performance vs. reliability vs. usable space tradeoff is not very straightforward
[01:21:09] <kdavy_> i can help you out with that sometime after work
[01:21:22] <tabularasa> yeah, i'd appreciate that
[01:22:00] <tabularasa> i really only need to hit 4000 VDIs per pod... but 4500 would be a win
[01:22:44] <kdavy_> it sucks that these chassis don't have internal non-hotswappable drives for the root partition... wasting 2 hotswap slots, and 22 drives is a non-standard number to play with
[01:23:11] <tabularasa> yeah, thats kinds wierd
[01:23:20] <tabularasa> i assume you can't install the OS on a USB stick
[01:23:30] <tabularasa> ALA ESXi
[01:23:50] <kdavy_> i'm doing 3x(6+1) raidz + 1 hotspare + 2 OS drives in my 24-slot 2U Nexenta
[01:24:19] <kdavy_> you can run it off a USB stick, installation is a little bit tricky though
[01:24:19] <tabularasa> I'm not sure how to break up my LUNS, really.
[01:24:30] <tabularasa> would give 2 more slots
[01:25:13] <tabularasa> i'd imagine i would use a LUN for each VDI image.... (4 per pod)... then not sure for the 2-2.5GB write cache luns
[01:26:04] <kdavy_> in fact, it might even be a good option to use a PCIe SSD (something like a small OCZ z-drive) for the root partition, and keep all 24 hotswap slots for the data
[01:26:19] <tabularasa> i like that idea too
[01:26:34] <tabularasa> i'll bring that up on the call too
[01:27:04] <kdavy_> plus, i think in the z-drive you can do internal raid1 between two halves of it - you'd have to verify that to be certain
[01:28:08] <tabularasa> that'd be cool
[01:28:16] <tabularasa> not useful if the whole card crashes though.  :)
[01:28:42] <kdavy_> tabularasa, either way a PCIe card will be a single point of failure - either this one or the LSI HBA
[01:28:49] <tabularasa> true dat
[01:29:29] <kdavy_> i think the best approach when coming up with the pod design is "design for complete failure of one pod" - instead of doing 1+1 redundancy of every single component
[01:30:26] <tabularasa> N+1 pods isn't a bad idea
[01:30:54] <kdavy_> then you could take them down for maintenance one by one overnight and not worry about not having enough capacity
[01:31:12] <tabularasa> yeah, thats where I need citrix's help about the XD design
[01:31:33] <tabularasa> its gonna be a big ass pool of desktops.... lol
[01:31:47] <tabularasa> 1 pool, 16k desktops... done
[01:31:49] <tabularasa> :D
[01:31:50] <kdavy_> and, N+1 design is by definition expandable as you increase N, so if you start out with 4+1 for 16k seats, you can up it to 7+1 for 30k :)
[01:31:59] <tabularasa> exactly
[01:32:12] <tabularasa> they talked about 30k in the grand grand scheme
[01:32:52] <kdavy_> if i were you i'd be prepared for the "what if it's 60k" question - never hurts to double expectations
[01:33:27] <tabularasa> true true
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[01:43:34] <kdavy_> tabularasa, ok, according to OCZ, by default the z-drives use RAID0, but "Other RAID modes are supported as well"
[01:46:25] <tabularasa> thats nice and specific
[01:46:34] <kdavy_> and the Z-Drive R3 is also low-profile, unlike other ones
[01:48:21] <tabularasa> I want to get a CCIE this summer...
[01:54:25] <kdavy_> heh, i want to get a CCEE by end of summer
[01:54:34] <kdavy_> probably not gonna happen though
[01:55:58] <kdavy_> i can easily pull off XenApp, already have XenServer, but XenDesktop is going to be a bit trickier since it's not really relevant for service providers and i need more hands-on practice with it
[01:56:51] <kdavy_> and then, i need to look into the A15 engineering exam, not quite sure how in-depth it is
[01:58:05] <tabularasa> Which one is higher?  EE or IA ?
[01:58:14] <tabularasa> or, same level, different paths
[01:58:59] <tabularasa> nm... CCIA requires CCEE
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[02:04:29] <kdavy_> yep
[02:04:59] <tabularasa> i may go for that after the CCIE
[02:05:10] <tabularasa> but i think i'd really like to do CCIE storage... maybe I can learn some shit
[02:05:20] <tabularasa> i'm pretty confident i can pass the lab this time
[02:05:23] <kdavy_> i don't think there is a point for me to do anything Cisco, i deal too little with networking
[02:05:37] <tabularasa> at my core, i'm a network engineer
[02:05:52] <tabularasa> i'm just a network engineer with a shitload of Citrix/Windows expereince
[02:05:53] <tabularasa> :D
[02:06:13] <kdavy_> ya, well at my core i'm not even an engineer - i'm a physicist if you take my formal education into account
[02:06:26] <tabularasa> i have a degree in finance... so no
[02:10:18] <kdavy_> yeah
[02:10:30] <kdavy_> what made you go into IT in the first place? hobby?
[02:10:43] <tabularasa> Yeah... I had a TSR80 if that tells you anything
[02:11:15] <kdavy_> heh, i had a soviet Sinclair clone
[02:11:32] <tabularasa> whoa
[02:11:50] <tabularasa> I was doing the BBS thing at 7....  computers were just part of my life
[02:12:00] <tabularasa> glad i didn't go into banking... i'd probably be laid off
[02:12:06] <kdavy_> yep, same here
[02:14:10] <tabularasa> And i'm a huge nerd
[02:14:22] <tabularasa> where are you located?  i forget
[02:14:29] <kdavy_> Houston
[02:14:34] <tabularasa> ah yes
[02:14:37] <tabularasa> you going to summit?
[02:15:07] <kdavy_> you mean Synergy, or which summit?
[02:15:14] <tabularasa> Citrix Summit
[02:15:23] <kdavy_> regardless the answer is no. I'm going to BriForum Chicago
[02:15:32] <tabularasa> ahhh
[02:15:41] <tabularasa> summit/synergy...
[02:50:11] <kdavy_> k, time to go homw
[02:50:14] <kdavy_> *home
[02:50:54] <tabularasa> have a good one buddy
[02:52:44] <kdavy_> yep, definitely. good thing my wife is still in class :)
[02:52:50] <kdavy_> otherwise i'd be in trouble
[02:56:09] <tabularasa> haha
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[03:42:00] <kdavy> tabularasa, forgot to mention one thing
[03:43:54] <kdavy> expect compression ratios of 1.13x (worst case) to 1.28x (average) when using Nexenta for write cache - this is real-world data
[03:44:38] <kdavy> compression enabled adds almost no overhead, especially with dual six-core Xeons. if anything it'll improve performance
[03:45:03] <kdavy> next version of NS will have it enabled by default, most likely
[03:46:02] <kdavy> so 5000 VDI's per pod should be much easier to achieve in your 2U config
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[06:35:22] <Middleman> dead
[06:35:28] <Middleman> channel
[06:35:41] <kdavy> Middleman: i beg to differ
[06:35:46] <Middleman> :p
[06:35:49] <Middleman> hes alive!
[06:35:55] <kdavy> you're just here at the wrong time
[06:35:56] <Middleman> sup davy
[06:36:08] <Middleman> i guess so
[06:36:25] <kdavy> not much, just reading my rss feed
[06:36:32] <Middleman> thats cool
[06:36:35] <Middleman> im just burnin dvds
[06:36:38] <Middleman> gonna dual boot a box
[06:37:03] <kdavy> make sure you ask her permission first
[06:37:16] <Middleman> lol
[06:37:22] <Middleman> i am the law
[06:37:33] <kdavy> no, gravity is the law
[06:37:39] <ScottCochran> hey boys... Is it just me or can you not edit the Memory Size of a XenServer template!.....  unless you convert to VM and re-template...
[06:37:58] <Middleman> mmm
[06:38:05] <kdavy> ScottCochran: i think you can via command line
[06:38:09] <Middleman> when u make a new vm from template
[06:38:13] <Middleman> u can change the mem / hdd size
[06:38:40] <kdavy> Middleman: that doesn't help when you want to quick-deploy a large number of VMs
[06:39:24] <ScottCochran> kdavy:  that is crazy.  Why would they let you change every but memory!  you can HA Restart Priority, vCPU, Storage, etc
[06:39:34] <Middleman> not a pro with the templates
[06:39:46] <Middleman> u gotta edit it in vi
[06:40:07] <Middleman> what dir are templates stored in
[06:40:09] <Middleman> on xenserver
[06:40:25] <ScottCochran> Middleman:  Yea this is for a project and I dont want to make the client choose every time.  Plus I want it to be a certain value for in my project documentation to show best practice
[06:40:43] <kdavy> ScottCochran: i guess the idea is, you deploy everything identical for production, and if you want a test VM you can always change the settings manually
[06:40:50] <kdavy> it makes no sense though i agree
[06:42:14] <ScottCochran> I am really starting to like XenServer, especially with 5.6 FP1, but I just did a vSphere project the past two weeks and there are some little things like templates that put VMware over the top
[06:42:43] <Middleman> ya i sorta still like vmware more
[06:42:45] <kdavy> ScottCochran: there are a lot of things where vmware is superior, except for licensing
[06:42:47] <Middleman> i regret going with xen
[06:42:56] <Middleman> but xen seems more horsepower
[06:43:04] <ScottCochran> really?  why?
[06:43:18] <ScottCochran> More horsepower?
[06:43:29] <kdavy> that's hardly a scientific measure
[06:43:30] <Middleman> ya
[06:44:33] <ScottCochran> not even sure what that means lol
[06:44:58] <Middleman> yall dorks
[06:45:14] <kdavy> Ford F150 has more horsepower than my Audi TT, which says nothing about real superiority over one another
[06:45:32] <Middleman> xen has better raw performance
[06:45:41] <Middleman> vmware has better admin interface
[06:45:47] <kdavy> Middleman: yet Xen can't overcommit memory for shit
[06:45:47] <Middleman> and compatibility is better
[06:46:05] <Middleman> whats over commit
[06:46:10] <Middleman> use more then there is?
[06:46:22] <kdavy> yeah, like fitting 21 people in a Mini Cooper
[06:46:34] <kdavy> (doable)
[06:46:42] <ScottCochran> EMC : )
[06:47:06] <Middleman> i got 32gb ram, and 7 vms running smooth
[06:47:48] <Middleman> emc backup software?
[06:48:00] <ScottCochran> Middleman:  Not sure I agree with you on Raw Performance. Besides Memory Overcommitt VMware offers other advanced Memory and CPU features
[06:48:19] <Middleman> what about
[06:48:22] <ScottCochran> Only 7 VMs????
[06:48:31] <Middleman> vmware hypervisor vs xenserver free
[06:48:33] <kdavy> Middleman, i have 12 VMs per 48Gb RAM host running very smooth on Xen. but as soon as you add one more VM, and let them go through nightly staggered reboot, half of the VMs on the host will be almost dead or dead
[06:49:01] <Middleman> ya
[06:49:07] <Middleman> dont wanna go over 10vms
[06:49:15] <Middleman> u got raid 10?
[06:49:17] <Middleman> or ssds?
[06:49:28] <kdavy> Middleman: it's not about number of VMs, it's about amount of RAM used
[06:49:42] <kdavy> and what the hell does raid or SSD have to do with VM denisty?
[06:49:44] <Middleman> whats ur percent ram usage at
[06:50:05] <kdavy> Middleman: 98% on each host with 12 VMs
[06:50:07] <Middleman> ur sayin the vms are actin dead
[06:50:13] <Middleman> ya well theres ur prob
[06:50:21] <kdavy> ....
[06:50:37] <Middleman> i dont go over 85percent
[06:50:44] <Middleman> need to have mem for the system
[06:50:47] <kdavy> dude, you're out of your element
[06:50:58] <Middleman> ok mr 12vms that run half ass
[06:50:58] <ScottCochran> agreed
[06:51:13] <kdavy> 98% includes Dom0 RAM usage
[06:51:35] <Middleman> running anything at 90percent and over is not good
[06:52:02] <ScottCochran> With VMware you could easily get 15-20 medium power VMs with 32GB.... All with 4GB each
[06:52:20] <kdavy> .... ok, so you're suggesting that if i have 48Gb RAM, i have to throw 4.8Gb in the trash?
[06:52:41] <Middleman> 32gb, i reserve 4gb of ram for the system
[06:52:47] <Middleman> rest for vms
[06:53:57] <kdavy> congrats. i reserve ram for dom0 too - that's why each VM has slightly less than 4Gb
[06:54:46] <Middleman> is vmware hypervisor just as good as xenserver free edition
[06:54:51] <kdavy> enough to not cause memory overcommitment, but still keep every vm (32bit server 2003) as close to 4gb as possible
[06:55:01] <Middleman> ya
[06:55:26] <kdavy> Middleman: vmware hypervisor vs. xenserver free are completely different use cases
[06:56:01] <Middleman> i thought they were the same deal
[06:56:04] <kdavy> they are both excellent at what they do, but you cannot say one is better than the other - it all depends on workload and TCO
[06:56:25] <ScottCochran> kdavy:  I must be loosing my mind, I cannot even find where to edit the memory over a VM thats powered down...
[06:56:41] <Middleman> ur out of ur element : P
[06:56:52] <Middleman> right click the vm
[06:56:59] <Middleman> prop
[06:57:40] <kdavy> ScottCochran: "xe vm-param-set" for a VM; "xe template-param-set" for a template
[06:57:52] <kdavy> tab-complete for list of arguments
[06:57:58] <ScottCochran> in the GUI i mean
[06:58:24] <kdavy> ScottCochran: in the GUI, for a VM there will be a separate "Memory" tab
[06:58:36] <ScottCochran> yea I see that but no way to edit
[06:58:55] <Middleman> its greyed out?
[06:59:26] <kdavy> ScottCochran: Edit button is at the very right of the stupid memory bar
[06:59:48] <kdavy> in XenCenter 5.6 FP1 at least
[07:00:25] <ScottCochran> holy crap... The stupid remote console was cutting that part of the screnn off
[07:00:26] <ScottCochran> : )
[07:00:39] <ScottCochran> long night...
[07:00:51] <ScottCochran> thanks for the level 3 support
[07:02:58] <ScottCochran> Oh and FYI, you can change the memory on the template via the GUI.... As long as you are not using LogMeIn in Chrome : )
[07:03:16] <kdavy> ScottCochran: thank you sir please call again, you are kindly welcome :)
[07:04:01] <kdavy> i've never even tried changing a template memory, there's no need - i just believed you lol. totally sounded like something Citrix would do
[07:04:11] <ScottCochran> I was losing my mind... Deploy new VMs just to edit the memory on the template..... wow
[07:04:12] <kdavy> lack of the option, that is
[07:04:19] <ScottCochran> yea
[07:04:48] <kdavy> command line always works - that's why i prefer it
[07:05:56] <ScottCochran> I would rather the cmd be all PowerShell like VMware, or every other product
[07:06:21] <kdavy> i think there are powershell cmdlets for xenserver
[07:06:27] <kdavy> Meson would know for sure
[07:06:53] <kdavy> except he's not in the channel now
[07:08:08] <kdavy> ok this is ridiculous... list of VMs on the last XenServer i provisioned
[07:09:07] <kdavy> "ChrisTestServer205", "ApplicationNameTesting", "BlahBlahClient", "TestBlahBlah" and "DoNotRemote"
[07:09:19] <kdavy> *DoNotRemove on the last one
[07:09:34] <kdavy> this is in a production farm
[07:17:32] <Middleman> lol
[07:18:21] <Middleman> thats retarded
[07:20:11] <kdavy> yeah. i need to enable AD Auth on the farm again so i know who to yell at
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[14:21:28] <nikade> hello everybody, ive installed xenserver advanced edition on 2 hp bl280 blades, and im having some trouble with windows xp vm's
[14:21:46] <nikade> when i installed it, and even after installing xen-tools the video adapter is not installed, it needs a driver installed
[14:22:20] <nikade> ive managed to narrow the driver search down to a specific driver by help from hwinfo32, the video adapter seems to be a "Cirrus Logic CL-GD5446"
[14:22:46] <nikade> is there anyone else having the same problem as I have? should I try install a HVM instead of using a windows xp 32bit template?
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[17:03:32] <kdavy_> morning everyone
[17:04:26] <kdavy_> nikade, hm XP should work with the same video driver as Server 2003, though i havent run XP on XenServer at all
[17:04:43] <kdavy_> do you even need a video driver? I don't think so... should just work
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[17:05:24] <kdavy_> the only ways to access a virtualized XP instance are either via RDP/ICA, which needs no video driver, or Xen Console, which is essentially VNC
[17:05:44] <kdavy_> XenServer doesn't have optimized video experience like vSphere does
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[17:39:17] <tabularasa> kdavy_: ahh, good to know
[17:41:15] <kdavy_> tabularasa, on the compression?
[17:41:45] <tabularasa> yes
[17:42:41] <kdavy_> ya it's quite useful
[17:43:37] <kdavy_> hey if you have any other in-depth technical questions, i'm going to lunch with two Nexenta engineers in an hour. i can ask them
[17:43:39] <tabularasa> no doubt.  that would be helpful for all the freaking write cache directories
[17:44:08] <tabularasa> Can you shotgun two sans together like EqualLogics, or do you just add drive chassis like EMC
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[17:44:34] <kdavy_> add drive chassis only at the moment
[17:44:58] <kdavy_> though they are working on adding pNFS support, so at some point you will be able to do distributed storage
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[17:45:58] <kdavy_> technically you could also pass a LUN from one SAN through another, and shotgun them that way. but if they're both Nexenta, it's not too practical
[17:55:42] <tabularasa> just curious...  single point of management was more my idea
[17:59:08] <kdavy_> tabularasa, you can manage several units from the same web console as long as they can talk via ssh
[18:00:06] <kdavy_> but that's fairly limited because if you need to change a setting you need to go through each unit one by one anyway. might be a good feature suggestion to add central management actually, i'll mention it during lunch
[18:01:17] <tabularasa> yeah, that would be good
[18:02:20] <kdavy_> i still think it's "suspicious" that they invited me 5 minutes after i sent the e-mail about your project lol
[18:02:27] <tabularasa> haha
[18:02:38] <tabularasa> It was a good lead for them, no doubt
[18:02:41] <JarianGibson> so much ssd for how much was that?
[18:02:48] <tabularasa> about 50k for 13.2 TB
[18:03:00] <JarianGibson> street price or any discounts?
[18:03:03] <kdavy_> maybe i can get some free training out of it, the Certified Nexenta Engineer course is normally $2000
[18:03:33] <kdavy_> JarianGibson, street
[18:03:37] <JarianGibson> nice
[18:03:50] <tabularasa> wow, that would be cool, kdavy_
[18:04:04] <kdavy_> but these guys have fairly low margins, i doubt there can be much of a discount
[18:04:46] <JarianGibson> that is good street pice
[18:04:48] <JarianGibson> price
[18:04:58] <kdavy_> their margins on hardware are about 20-25% last i calculated, which is reasonable since they do 3 year warranty and hardware support
[18:05:26] <kdavy_> and assembly/testing of course
[18:22:36] <kreign> kdavy, so, I'm experiencing this: http://boardreader.com/thread/Xenserver_5_6FP1_software_raid_problems_5w7n7X61qm.html
[18:22:46] <kreign> kdavy, curious if you've any idea what it might be. LVM interfering somehow?
[18:23:43] <kdavy_> kreign, I know _nothing_ about software raid on linux. i'm not the right person to ask
[18:25:03] <kreign> kdavy, actually was thinking it might be something like selinux or LVM wrt dom0 permission.
[18:26:13] <kdavy_> no idea...
[18:28:02] <kdavy_> hmm JarianGibson, have you ever heard of Tintri VMstore?
[18:32:36] <kreign> kdavy, appears to be yet another XS 5.6fp1 bug.
[18:32:53] <kdavy_> nice
[18:33:01] <kdavy_> it's a feature
[18:33:03] <kreign> right
[18:33:09] <kreign> to force you to use shitty hw raid cards
[18:33:10] <kdavy_> Feature Pack 1, remember?
[18:33:38] <kreign> heh
[18:33:44] <kreign> seems it's broken in 5.6 too
[18:33:49] <kreign> really odd behavior
[18:34:05] <kreign> domU reboots itself when creating an md device
[18:34:13] <kreign> only thing i can figure is selinux or lvm interfering somehow
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[18:34:17] <kreign> or 'proprietary' kernel changes
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[20:12:27] <AstainHellbring> Hi so I'm having troubles with my provisioning server setup
[20:13:32] <tabularasa> whats going on?
[20:14:15] <AstainHellbring> I try to take a client snapshot and I get that done but when I boot to vdisk it always bluescreens
[20:19:07] <makson> AstainHellbring: Afternoon - Are you trying to boot a machine with same hardware profile?
[20:19:10] <makson> VM or physical ?
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[20:29:29] <ScottCochran2> afternoon all
[20:29:47] <tabularasa> greetings
[20:30:40] <AstainHellbring> makson same profile
[20:31:04] <AstainHellbring> vm on vmware workstation to vm on vmware workstation
[20:33:18] <makson> AstainHellbring: are you using Boot device media?
[20:33:27] <AstainHellbring> no pxe boot
[20:35:31] <tabularasa> where does it bluescreen?
[20:35:39] <AstainHellbring> as it tries to boot xp
[20:35:46] <tabularasa> storage driver ?
[20:36:02] <tabularasa> if you boot to HD, does it bluescreen as well?
[20:36:37] <AstainHellbring> no
[20:36:54] <tabularasa> i'd remake the image with XenConvert if i were you
[20:38:05] <AstainHellbring> hmm ok I'll give it a try
[20:38:38] <AstainHellbring> this was created with the PVS_device.exe that came with pvs 5.6 sp1
[20:42:13] <AstainHellbring> oddest part for me is under same hardware profile my cooworker ran the thing again and recreated it and this second time ran it on his vmware workstation and it worked 100%
[20:43:03] <makson> AstainHellbring: biggest thing with PVS is the hardware profiles have to match, and the NIC is included in that... if you have on VM that has a different NIC it will 100% blue screen
[20:43:57] <AstainHellbring> interesting
[20:44:38] <AstainHellbring> what would cause it to throw an invalid boot sector option?>
[20:46:45] <makson> AstainHellbring: did you include the recovery partition?
[20:46:50] <makson> or just the C drive ?
[20:53:52] <makson> I'm having this issue where my UPM profiles are slowly starting to bloat causing slow logins
[20:54:04] <makson> it's all related to temp data that im telling it NOT to sync!
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[21:00:05] <makson> everytime i watch this video i laugh
[21:00:06] <makson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e3IsMKVVJU
[21:00:08] <makson> :)
[21:00:11] <makson> ololool
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[21:23:18] <tabularasa> having some issues there ScottCochran2 ?  :)
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[21:27:41] <nikade> kdavy_: well, it says its "not installed correctly" and needs a driver update when I check at it in taskmanager, so something is wrong :) I tried finding the driver on google but it was impossible, havent tried win2k3 server yet tho
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[21:44:39] <kdavy_> yo
[21:47:29] <kdavy_> nikade, still... all drivers should come with the xs-tools.iso
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[21:48:40] <pablo> hi, someone knows if a citrix client for linux x84_64 will exist?
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[22:03:22] <kdavy_> pablo, no idea... probably not, i know they are working on an HTML5 ICA client - that'll work for every OS that has a modern browser
[22:03:57] <tabularasa> thats cool... i've never messed with the java client..  i probably would mess around with the html5 one
[22:04:10] <pablo> kdavy_: which codec vp8?
[22:04:30] <kdavy_> pablo, no clue
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[22:37:21] <gblfxt> audio settings were diff, lol, session sharing works now....
[22:39:54] <makson> gblfxt: nice job! :)
[22:40:32] <nikade> kdavy_: well they dont :( atleast not for winxp gfx card
[22:40:48] <gblfxt> makson, thanks for the tip! :)
[22:44:06] <makson> gblfxt: anytime.
[22:46:44] <kdavy_> gblfxt, wtf? what does audio has to do with it?
[22:47:34] <gblfxt> kdavy, lol, dont think it has anything to do with it, except the settings have to be exactly the same for session sharing, i could just disable both and would have had same result
[22:49:01] <makson> kdavy_: session sharing he haad settings on app different
[22:51:07] <kdavy_> makson, no i get it
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