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[11:21:17] <Mohan__> Hello everybody
[11:21:35] <Mohan__> XAPI server is not starting in Xenserver. Can someone help me please
[11:22:21] <Mohan__> When i checked xensource.log i am getting [|xapi] Caught exception at toplevel: 'Domain.Domain_stuck_in_dying_state(70)'
[11:22:26] <Mohan__> Please help
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[12:53:04] <Rienzilla> ah
[12:53:16] <Rienzilla> well mohan, I know the answer to your question, but you're gone :)
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[15:29:50] <tabularasa> morning peeps
[15:31:12] <Rienzilla> hi tabularasa
[15:31:32] <Rienzilla> have you by any chance ever touched a ocz z-drive or similar? (pci-e ssd?)
[15:31:42] <tabularasa> i have not
[15:32:15] <Rienzilla> pity
[15:32:38] <Rienzilla> I'm contemplating to buy one as an iscsi backend for vm's that need fast disk access
[15:32:47] <tabularasa> i have an SSD in my laptop.  :)
[15:32:58] <tabularasa> I used SSDs as write cache for my PVS setup
[15:32:59] <Rienzilla> yeah me too :)
[15:33:05] <tabularasa> nothing PCE-e though... all SAS
[15:33:16] <Rienzilla> do you have an opinion about MLC vs. SLC?
[15:33:43] <tabularasa> thats more a kdavy_ splatone question... i'm not a great hardware guy
[15:33:59] <Rienzilla> all right
[15:34:05] <Rienzilla> let's wait till they wake up then :)
[15:34:07] <Rienzilla> thanks
[15:34:09] <tabularasa> heh, yup
[15:38:09] <makson> tabularasa: how long have you been using SSD as write cache? have you noticed any performance issues with them?
[15:38:26] <tabularasa> well, i destroyed that environment
[15:38:40] <makson> tabularasa: from my understanding of certian ssd's, once the write endurance get's to a certian point performance starts to degrade.
[15:38:55] <tabularasa> yeah, i thought they solved that
[15:39:07] <tabularasa> i did notice that those PVS boxes were fast as shit
[15:39:56] <makson> tabularasa: I think some of that was resolved with Trim support, and i know other vendors are solving it with software. Just curious of feedback form someone using SSD for W/C in a big environment for a while what they have been seeing.
[15:40:01] <makson> tabularasa: ah, that's right.
[15:42:37] <tabularasa> Trim... lol
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[15:51:08] <Man> supp
[15:51:50] <makson> hi Man
[15:51:55] <tabularasa> morning
[15:52:07] <Man> can you intsall Xenserver on top of Windows 2008?
[15:52:22] <tabularasa> i'd say, no
[15:52:52] <Man> I get it that it's it's on Linux Distro
[15:53:09] <Man> But I can't get a yes or no from the forumz
[15:53:40] <makson> ya i'm going no as well.
[15:53:58] <makson> i guess my first question is why would you wan't to do that?
[15:54:08] <makson> it's a hypervisor it self
[15:54:15] <makson> by 2008, i'm guessing you mean hyper-v/
[15:55:07] <Rienzilla> I guess you can, in theory, make a fully virtualed VM in which you install xenserver
[15:55:33] <Rienzilla> although I'm not certain whether that VM will be able to host any guests
[15:55:37] <Rienzilla> so, no
[15:58:23] <tabularasa> anyone know HTML really well?
[15:59:23] <mnemon> tabularasa: why?
[15:59:32] <tabularasa> Is there a way to create a hyperlink to open with a variable?  I have a link that opens up an explorer window to \\server\share... i would like to extend that to open \\server\share\%USERNAME%  ... using %USERNAME% fails.  Is there another way to send this variable ?
[16:01:58] <mnemon> that would probably depend on the browser you're using.
[16:02:41] <tabularasa> well, assume IE
[16:02:56] <tabularasa> we'll even...
[16:10:08] <mnemon> well you're not supposed to be able to access stuff like %USERNAME% in html :P
[16:10:17] <mnemon> so i doubt it's possible
[16:11:15] <pak21> HTML, no. You'll have to script your page with Perl/Python/Ruby/PHP/your favourite scripting language here
[16:12:40] <mnemon> and that only works if they login with their windows username.
[16:12:52] <pak21> Well, yes :-)
[16:13:14] <tabularasa> of course
[16:13:21] <tabularasa> i htink i see some javascript to do that
[16:13:50] <pak21> I really hope you can't. JavaScript is sandboxed.
[16:14:22] <mnemon> yeah, even if it does work it would probably get fixed at some point :)
[16:16:14] <tabularasa> WScript.Echo(wshell.ExpandEnvironmentStrings("%USERNAME%"));
[16:17:15] <gladier> tabularasa: is this on the access gateway
[16:17:16] <gladier> ?
[16:17:25] <tabularasa> no, just writing a random webpage
[16:17:51] <gladier> ah... because the variables are $USERNAME$ for the cag
[16:18:06] <gladier> you could always write a webpage in ASP which uses integrated authentication
[16:18:45] <tabularasa> true dat
[16:20:34] <gladier> anyways
[16:20:36] <gladier> its like 1230
[16:20:41] * gladier needs sleep for work
[16:23:05] <tabularasa> i bet.. geesh
[16:23:08] <tabularasa> see ya
[16:32:57] <kdavy_> sleep. i not haz it
[16:37:55] <tabularasa> no?
[16:39:30] <kdavy_> no, unfortunately
[16:39:36] <tabularasa> ugh, how come?
[16:41:27] <kdavy_> got a huge backlog of stuff to do
[16:49:08] <makson> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX344154
[16:49:12] <makson> i thought this was enabled by default?
[17:10:34] <Rienzilla> kdavy_: do you have an opinion about MLC vs. SLC ssd storage for a database with quite some I/O?
[17:13:13] <kdavy_> Rienzilla, what kind of I/O?
[17:13:32] <kdavy_> avg read size, avg write size, and what r/w ratio?
[17:13:59] <kdavy_> and IOPs :)
[17:14:03] <Rienzilla> I don
[17:14:21] <kdavy_> ok. what does the database do?
[17:14:49] <Rienzilla> 't really know. It's a proprietary flat file database containing medical (dental) records, used by approximately 50 users.
[17:15:00] <kdavy_> MLC
[17:15:02] <Rienzilla> (stores patient records, xray's, billing system, stuff like that)
[17:15:20] <kdavy_> definitely MLC, in a mirror
[17:15:30] <Rienzilla> what about wear of mlc?
[17:15:38] <Rienzilla> I understood that was substantially higher than slc
[17:15:59] <Rienzilla> (otoh, i'll happily replace my mlc every 2-3 years. slc is so much more expensive)
[17:16:09] <kdavy_> MLC can sustain 10k - 30k rewrite cycles, vs. 100k of SLC
[17:16:21] <kdavy_> you'll be fine
[17:16:26] <Rienzilla> ok
[17:16:40] <kdavy_> but make sure you back it up or mirror it just in case :)
[17:16:44] <Rienzilla> any experience with OCZ Z-drive r2 p84 or similar?
[17:16:49] <Rienzilla> of course it's backed up
[17:17:05] <Rienzilla> I don't trust any single device with my data hehe
[17:17:36] <Rienzilla> http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-z-drive-r2-p84-pci-express-ssd.html
[17:17:38] <kdavy_> no, i only work with SATA and SAS SSD
[17:17:42] <Rienzilla> ok
[17:18:05] <kdavy_> but the OCZ is essentially two onboard sata SSDs with an onboard controller, striped
[17:18:11] <Rienzilla> yeah
[17:18:15] <Rienzilla> and no sata bus in the way
[17:18:29] <kdavy_> i'd recommend a Vertex 3 Pro if you can find it
[17:18:31] <Rienzilla> or is it sata after all
[17:18:48] <kdavy_> Rienzilla, it is sata - the sata controller is on the PCB
[17:18:58] <kdavy_> it's just PCI-E to the motherboard
[17:19:02] <Rienzilla> just 4-channel raid0 or so?
[17:19:09] <kdavy_> yes
[17:19:25] <Rienzilla> mmh
[17:19:51] <Rienzilla> there is no space in my chassis for a normal ssd, but I have pcie slots free :)
[17:21:35] <kdavy_> fair enough
[17:22:09] <Rienzilla> otoh, replacing a normal ssd is significantly easier than replacing a pcie device :)
[17:22:19] <Rienzilla> I'll see what I can fit in. Thanks for the hep
[17:26:10] <kdavy_> that's what she said
[17:27:05] <kdavy_> makson, i think SLR is disabled by default because it doesn't really work in a usable fashion
[17:27:26] <makson> kdavy_: interesting. I know local text echo was disabled by default.
[17:27:39] <kdavy_> i've had way more complaints with it on than off, even on high latency connections
[17:28:05] <makson> kdavy_: what tweaks do you do for high latency connects? what do you consider high 200+?
[17:28:35] <kdavy_> makson, 300+
[17:28:42] <Rienzilla> :)
[17:28:45] <kdavy_> i dont do any tweaks
[17:29:05] <kdavy_> it's the high packet loss that kills usability
[17:33:42] <kdavy_> since most of our client sites have more than one ISP, I usually just use the lower latency route for ICA, and work routing out with ISPs, instead of mitigating latency on L7 and L8
[17:33:54] <Rienzilla> btw
[17:34:07] <Rienzilla> is it possible to "forward" a physical usb port to a xenserver guest?
[17:34:15] <kdavy_> Rienzilla, no
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[17:34:27] <kdavy_> only if you use USB over IP devices
[17:34:28] <Rienzilla> hmm
[17:34:42] <kdavy_> but these have nothing to do with XenServer and need guest OS support
[17:34:46] <Rienzilla> no i have a Alladin HASP token which needs to be accessed by a vm
[17:34:59] <kdavy_> windows VM?
[17:35:08] <Rienzilla> yes
[17:35:11] <Rienzilla> 2008r2
[17:35:12] <kdavy_> this will be perfect: http://www.digi.com/products/usb/anywhereusb.jsp
[17:35:26] <kdavy_> i use them, tabularasa uses them i think
[17:35:41] <kdavy_> for that specific reason - stupid hardware license tokens
[17:35:46] <Rienzilla> ah, that allows me to attach those usbdevices over a network?
[17:35:50] <kdavy_> yes
[17:35:53] <Rienzilla> awesome
[17:36:06] <kdavy_> and then you don't care where the key is
[17:36:23] <kdavy_> i have one setup where the license key is in Ukraine and the application is hosted in the US :)
[17:36:33] <Rienzilla> hehe
[17:36:44] <Rienzilla> mkmh where do I buy those in .nl
[17:37:06] <kdavy_> zee internet
[17:37:17] <Rienzilla> ah, got a shop
[17:37:55] <Rienzilla> wow
[17:38:03] <Rienzilla> $300 sound ok?
[17:38:07] <Rienzilla> pretty steep
[17:38:13] <kdavy_> for how many ports?
[17:38:16] <Rienzilla> 2
[17:38:20] <Rienzilla> http://digi.hardware.nl/AW-USB-2-W
[17:38:21] <kdavy_> hm. sounds about right
[17:38:44] <kdavy_> there are cheaper devices from different vendors, but this is the only one i've had experience with
[17:38:56] <Rienzilla> ok
[17:39:00] <kdavy_> $300 is nothing compared to the headache of having a physical server
[17:39:06] <Rienzilla> i'm not gonna fool around to save 70 euro
[17:39:08] <Rienzilla> yeah agreed
[17:39:39] <Rienzilla> do those things have authentication of some sort?
[17:40:12] <kdavy_> they use a driver
[17:40:22] <kdavy_> read the manual
[17:40:59] <Rienzilla> ok ok
[17:41:01] <Rienzilla> thanks
[17:44:09] <Man> Does XenDesktop reside on windows or is it its own Distro Like Xenserver?
[17:45:32] <pak21> Windows
[17:45:46] <pak21> (And XenServer isn't really a distro either)
[17:46:08] <Man> No, why not
[17:46:23] <Man> Why not a diistro?
[17:46:32] <pak21> Because it sits below Linux.
[17:46:54] <pak21> It's not an OS itself
[17:47:22] <Man> So the Linux it resides on IS the distro?
[17:48:02] <pak21> XenServer doesn't "reside on" Linux
[17:48:12] <pak21> It's between Linux and the hardware
[17:48:27] <Rienzilla> xenserver is installed on bare metal (and it's a hypervisor, plus a management-linux with some tools)
[17:48:40] <pak21> Formally, it's a type 1 hypervisor, not a type 2 hypervisor like VMWare Workstation
[17:48:46] <Man> What version of Linux does it sit below?
[17:48:57] <pak21> Any version
[17:49:01] <pak21> Or Windows
[17:49:16] <Rienzilla> pak21: xenserver does run an own taste of linux in the management domain
[17:49:24] <Rienzilla> which looks like a redhat derivate
[17:50:17] <pak21> That's true, but isn't actually fundamental. With enough work, you could replace dom0 with a different OS.
[17:51:08] <Rienzilla> you could, but imo the dom0 is what differentiates xenserver from another system with a xen hypervisor and different management tools
[17:51:38] <pak21> And the features you get in XenServer you don't get in the free version
[17:51:57] <Man> So you can't install Xenserver on top of Windows
[17:52:01] <Rienzilla> Man: no
[17:52:06] <Rienzilla> you install it on bare metal
[17:52:15] <Man> thanks
[17:52:35] <pak21> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor#Classification for the difference between Type 1 and Type 2
[17:52:51] <Man> Xendesktop goes on top of Windows though
[17:53:14] <pak21> Yes
[17:53:43] <pak21> The controller, anyway
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[18:27:18] <makson> pak21: does the catalog wizard run in the context of the logged in user?
[18:30:59] <pak21> The XD Setup Wizard?
[18:31:03] <pak21> for XD5?
[18:32:09] * pak21 goes home
[18:33:15] <makson> pak21: yup
[18:33:18] <makson> XD5 wiard
[18:35:18] <kdavy_> makson, yo
[18:37:04] <makson> hey kdavy_
[18:37:08] <makson> u mess with XD5 much?
[18:37:13] <makson> i'm just getting into it now
[18:37:38] <kdavy_> nah, no time
[18:38:46] <makson> yah, i feel ya there, im just starting to get some time back now that we hired on additional staff. Do you use streaming with UPM?
[18:38:55] <gblfxt> quickbooks keeps topping out cpu usage when big reports are run, maybe these new 10 core xeon cpus will help
[18:39:16] <kdavy_> yep, though i havent fully moved to UPM yet
[18:39:31] <kdavy_> gblfxt, 12 core opterons are much cheaper
[18:39:38] <kdavy_> much much cheaper
[18:39:57] <gblfxt> problem is quickbooks doesnt multithread
[18:40:18] <kdavy_> you can build a quad socket 48 core opteron box for $5k + cost of RAM
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[18:40:52] <Tenju> Hey everyone, anyone ever have problems with Citrix UPM redirecting folders that you have in the exclusion list?
[18:41:36] <gblfxt> kdavy, ah nice, ill look at those, need to switch out some aging servers soon, i guess management is having us switch from dell to hp
[18:43:15] <gblfxt> dell 1850's
[18:44:21] <gblfxt> are old, and underpowered
[18:45:16] <gblfxt> thankfully we got a bigger budget now than we did when we got those
[18:48:07] <tabularasa> quickbooks is garbage
[18:48:10] <tabularasa> thats what XenDesktop is for
[18:51:38] <makson> Tenju: i'm seeing issues with UPM not excluding folder's i tell it to, i need to look into that
[18:51:48] <gblfxt> tabularasa, you have had better luck with quickbooks on XD vs XA?
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[18:54:32] <kdavy_> silly question... anyone know if XenDesktop can be made to work with Server 2003 as the target OS? :)
[18:55:23] <kdavy_> i.e. have one Server 2003 VM per user - in order to bypass Microsoft's idiotic desktop OS licensing for service providers
[18:56:49] <splatone> Yo.. Anyone know how to get a UPD to work with a session printer?
[18:57:42] <gblfxt> looks like opteron has more blade options than xeon
[19:04:15] <kdavy_> gblfxt, it's about the same, just different vendors
[19:04:54] <kdavy_> IBM completely got rid of their Opteron blade lineup for some reason, for example
[19:05:18] <kdavy_> though maybe they're just refreshing product lines like that, i havent heard of any official announcements
[19:05:25] <makson> kdavy_: so you would do session based desktops? why not just do published desktop?
[19:05:36] <makson> ah
[19:05:37] <makson> single user
[19:05:41] <makson> per 03 server
[19:05:43] <kdavy_> makson, yeah
[19:05:48] <makson> hmm... XP theme
[19:05:54] <kdavy_> with the user having essentially admin rights on the server
[19:06:06] <kdavy_> ok. what does the XP theme have to do with this?
[19:06:13] <makson> oh just thinking out loud lol
[19:06:18] <makson> to make user experience nicer for end user
[19:06:35] <makson> i would just take the VDA and try and install it on 03 see what happens :)
[19:07:03] <kdavy_> :) yeah, i guess
[19:07:09] <makson> citrix talks about doing exactly that, 08R2 server per user for CSP model. so they must either do it via VDA, or they just publish a server per user
[19:07:17] <kdavy_> i'm sure some VDA trickery will be required
[19:07:18] <makson> with win7 theme
[19:27:19] <kdavy_> I'm sure Citrix just publishes one XenApp server per user
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[20:17:32] <kdavy_> sweet, my access points came in the mail
[20:57:05] <splatone> Anyone know of a way for a citrix server to use the upd driver rather than native for session printers?\
[21:03:58] <kdavy_> splatone, it's in advanced console, you have to create a policy
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[21:13:16] <splatone> kdavy_: but it can be done?
[21:13:39] <splatone> kdavy_: I want my print server to use native and citrix to use upd.
[21:14:25] <splatone> kdavy_: Its pretty strait forward for client printers but I didnt think it was possible with session printers.
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[21:18:04] <tabularasa> never thought about it with session printers
[21:18:11] <tabularasa> if you do a driver mapping, does it pass through?
[21:23:37] <splatone> tabularasa: with session printers it uses whatever the print server is using.
[21:24:49] <tabularasa> don't want to intall the native drivers on the CTX boxes?
[21:25:09] <splatone> tabularasa: Worse.. Native driver doesnt work right with our app. UPD does.
[21:25:27] <tabularasa> Ugh
[21:25:33] <tabularasa> what printer?
[21:25:56] <splatone> zebra GK420 label printer.
[21:26:15] <tabularasa> install the printer locally on the CTX box and share it out from there?
[21:26:40] <splatone> your saying assign the UPD to the printer installed locally.
[21:26:55] <splatone> on the citrix server.  My guess is it wont work at all that way.
[21:27:15] <tabularasa> why?
[21:28:08] <tabularasa> then map the session to the citrix server
[21:28:10] <splatone> I dont think you can actually print directly to a printer with UPD.  UPD normally just translats the driver across the ica session and uses the client driver.
[21:28:12] <tabularasa> not to the print server
[21:28:40] <tabularasa> does it?  i thought it was actually a print driver
[21:30:46] <tabularasa> "The Citrix Universal Print Driver is only available for printer autocreation. This means that the users need to have the printer (network or local) defined on their client device in order for it to autocreate with the UPD. If you are assigning printers via the session printers policy to users, these are network printers on the server and they cannot use the UPD. The matching print driver needs to be installed on the Citrix server beforehand if using session
[21:31:56] <tabularasa> That XenApp server being used for a print server cannot have any shared print queues using the UPD. It will not work. The only way that server can use the UPD is if it has client-defined printers and you connect to another XenApp server causing the printers to be autocreated. In other words, printers need to fallback to use the UPD from the printing subsystem. You cannot manually create a print queue with the UPD on a workstation or print server.
[21:32:38] <splatone> tabularasa: Yea I read that as well.
[21:32:44] <tabularasa> i have a 1.5 hour drive.... later
[21:32:54] <splatone> so is there another universal driver I can use?
[21:33:03] <tabularasa> HP Universal... but...
[21:34:43] <tabularasa> wtf is a zebra printer... heh
[21:34:51] <tabularasa> later
[21:45:42] <kdavy_> ha, zebra printers are a pain in the dick
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[21:53:03] <splatone> kdavy_: yea our app says print 10 copies of a label and 1 comes out.
[21:54:39] <kdavy_> splatone, can you tell the app to print 1 copy 10 times? problem solved :)
[21:58:31] <splatone> kdavy_: Yea except the number isnt 10 its 30.
[21:58:49] <splatone> kdavy_: and the customer wont even use the printer if thats the case.
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[22:08:30] <JarianGibson> kdavy_: forum alerts working again
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