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[03:45:54] <makson> any kaseya users in here?
[03:46:35] <makson> I want to get an udnerstanding of how the agent work's ... what does it use for it's GUID and how is it built and where it's stored... trying to get it to work with provisioning server.
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[06:19:22] <Botanic> hey using xenserver is there any way to get bandwidth reporting? I see performance reports in advanced adition does that include bandwidth?
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[06:25:36] <kdavy> Botanic: you can via vm-counters
[06:25:53] <kdavy> xe vm-stats something something
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[07:18:22] <Botanic> kdavy, i have tried all the commands none of them seem to show the network
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[14:52:22] <splatone> M0rNing.
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[14:59:24] <tabularasa> morning
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[15:10:59] <splatone> tabularasa: do you know any ie gpo settings that would disable manual windows updates on 2008r2.
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[15:33:15] <tabularasa> not off the top of my head
[15:37:02] <tabularasa> So, i have an opportunity to virtualize up to 16k desktops with XenDesktop
[15:37:20] <tabularasa> and its most likely going to close, believe it or not
[15:37:25] <tabularasa> 16k scalable to 30k
[15:37:34] <tabularasa> Citrix told us this would be the biggest they have ever done
[15:37:46] <tabularasa> they, being me...
[15:38:10] <Rienzilla> oh nice
[15:38:19] <Rienzilla> what kind of customer has 16k desktops :)
[15:38:27] <tabularasa> An entire school system
[15:40:08] <tabularasa> all faculty, staff and students
[15:40:32] <TuxOtaku> jesus
[15:40:39] <TuxOtaku> 16k desktops?
[15:40:46] <tabularasa> yeah
[15:40:49] <TuxOtaku> what hardware are you running all that on????
[15:41:02] <tabularasa> well, therein lies the challenge
[15:41:15] <tabularasa> Cisco UCS is the front runner imo
[15:41:16] <splatone> tabularasa: holy shit.
[15:41:24] <tabularasa> splatone: yeah, pretty muc
[15:41:27] <splatone> tabularasa: you hosting it?
[15:41:29] <tabularasa> no
[15:41:36] <tabularasa> they have 1 + 10G backbone
[15:41:39] <splatone> Interesting.
[15:41:53] <splatone> Thats going to be like 8x pvs servers.
[15:42:00] <splatone> Or more.
[15:42:00] <tabularasa> Citrix has a reference design with Cisco UCS i'm reading over... the UCS platform is sick
[15:42:05] <tabularasa> yeah, its 1500 / PVS server
[15:42:13] <tabularasa> i have to design it in "pods" too
[15:42:20] <tabularasa> so, i'm thinking 6k pods and building 3
[15:42:28] <tabularasa> but i'm really not sure yet... there is so much to look at
[15:43:27] <splatone> Hmm..
[15:43:37] <splatone> IBM bladecenter
[15:43:51] <TuxOtaku> never even heard of UCS
[15:44:09] <tabularasa> Cisco UCS is the sickest blade setup there is
[15:44:22] <TuxOtaku> well, I generally like Cisco products
[15:44:32] <TuxOtaku> wish we had the budget for something like that
[15:44:33] <TuxOtaku> :P
[15:44:41] <tabularasa> yeah, its expensive
[15:44:49] <TuxOtaku> mind you we just dropped 8k here on a new avaya PBX
[15:44:58] <tabularasa> they have this cool memory architecture, they can shotgun 4 DIMS and present it to a CPU as 1...
[15:45:25] <tabularasa> It has 384GB memory blades.. 10G between blades, etc etc
[15:48:37] <splatone> tabularasa: Yea IBM does some interesting stuff with memory as well.
[15:48:56] <splatone> There 4 ways boxes are pretty slick.
[15:49:20] <splatone> you can take two physical servers/blades and make them one server and if one physical fails your still up.
[15:50:05] <tabularasa> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/solutions/Enterprise/Data_Center/Virtualization/ucs_xd_xenserver_ntap.pdf
[15:50:08] <tabularasa> i'm reading that
[15:51:20] <tabularasa> Excluding the netapp...
[15:52:35] <tabularasa> i'm struggling to figure out where i should put the write cache and how much for each VM
[15:52:44] <tabularasa> they want fresh desktops on each boot
[15:53:04] <tabularasa> and they will be doing all the applicaiton virtualization with XenWorks.. so really, all i'm delivering is a desktop that gets blown away each reboot
[15:53:18] <tabularasa> i can get SSDs for each blade.... i could just use RAM and get a couple 384GB blades..
[15:53:34] <tabularasa> we are going to get some Citrix help, but i need a prelim design asap
[15:55:20] <splatone> tabularasa: write cache.   http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/storage/disk-storage/043967.html
[15:55:47] <splatone> tabularasa: 2 or 4 of those should do it.
[15:56:17] <tabularasa> this reference design does it on device's HD
[15:56:32] <tabularasa> which i was probably going to do on the SSDs in the blade
[15:57:38] <splatone> tabularasa: on the devices hd?  On the blades HD?  That oracle box is a sas device.
[15:57:56] <splatone> although it has 1.6M iops.
[16:02:05] <splatone> http://www.ibtimes.com/blogs/articles/10648/20091014/sun-unveils-worlds-fastest-2tb-flash-storage-array.htm
[16:03:19] <makson> tabularasa: take a look a whiptail for storage
[16:03:23] <splatone> The oracle box will do 12.8GB/ps
[16:10:19] <kdavy_> morning
[16:11:57] <kdavy_> tabularasa, seriously, look at IBM
[16:12:03] <kdavy_> BladeCenter
[16:12:30] <kdavy_> you can do the same converged networking with it as you can with Cisco, but the platform is much more mature
[16:13:34] <kdavy_> and 384Gb/blade is also possible with HS22V, though only a madman would do it since 16Gb sticks are outrageously expensive
[16:14:17] <kdavy_> er, 288Gb, but close enough
[16:16:39] <kdavy_> better density anyway, 14 servers in 7RU beats 8 servers in 6RU
[16:22:37] <tabularasa> its with 8GB sticks, they said
[16:22:49] <tabularasa> i hear ya, but as a Cisco partner, its tough
[16:23:19] <tabularasa> splatone: thats pretty sick, yeah
[16:23:44] <tabularasa> splatone: yeah, on the blades SSD
[16:24:05] <splatone> The oracle box is the fastest iops box that I know of..
[16:24:24] <tabularasa> well, i need 3GB x 16000 desktops
[16:24:46] <kdavy_> tabularasa, uhhhh so 48 sticks per server?
[16:24:50] <tabularasa> 4.8TB in write cache
[16:25:12] <kdavy_> 3GB per desktop and 16k desktops???
[16:25:23] <makson> tabularasa: are you going to store WC on local HD?
[16:25:29] <tabularasa> reading Citrix/Cisco reference design
[16:25:32] <tabularasa> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/solutions/Enterprise/Data_Center/Virtualization/ucs_xd_xenserver_ntap.pdf
[16:25:33] <splatone> tabularasa:hmm so 24x of the oracle boxes.
[16:25:35] <kdavy_> did that school district win the fucking lottery?
[16:25:42] <makson> tabularasa: are you doing streamed apps? if you are then you would want to store rade cache on local HD as well...
[16:25:48] <tabularasa> i'm not doing apps
[16:25:58] <makson> kdavy_: i know right... they have zero $$$ right now...
[16:25:59] <tabularasa> reference design is doing 3GB per VM
[16:26:09] <makson> must be in a refresh cycle or something.
[16:26:20] <makson> tabularasa: that's with win7?
[16:26:23] <tabularasa> yeah
[16:27:13] <kdavy_> tabularasa, i don't think the reference design is meant to be used as a baseline for every project - reference design is for the project to complete successfully if you have lots of $$$ and no common sense to look at the real world requirements
[16:27:54] <tabularasa> it gives me something to look at to try and base something off this design
[16:28:06] <tabularasa> Even Citrix hasn't done anything this large, so...
[16:28:14] <tabularasa> i'm just brainstorming
[16:28:39] <makson> tabularasa: 16k desktops... WOW!
[16:29:41] <splatone> tabularasa: I think you may be able to get special pricing from wyse :)
[16:29:55] <tabularasa> they are going to give each student a laptop
[16:29:57] <kdavy_> tabularasa, is this gonna be all citrix - xendesktop on xenserver - or are you gonna use vSphere for backend
[16:30:02] <tabularasa> and run thinpc
[16:30:05] <tabularasa> vSphere
[16:30:07] <tabularasa> most likely
[16:30:17] <tabularasa> They already do vsphere....
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[16:31:08] <splatone> tabularasa: each student a laptop?  So is 16k the max load assuming every student is running a virtual desktop at the same time?
[16:31:35] <tabularasa> yes
[16:31:53] <makson> tabularasa: what are they doing for apps? xenapp?
[16:32:00] <tabularasa> XenWorks
[16:32:10] <makson> ah ok. isn't that app virt?
[16:32:16] <tabularasa> yeah
[16:32:27] <splatone> tabularasa: so your more likely going to have 6k - 10k active at a time.
[16:33:46] <tabularasa> why do you say that?
[16:33:54] <tabularasa> if all the students are in their desktops in each class....
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[16:35:07] <splatone> tabularasa: well im sure there will be classes where they wont have there laptops out.
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[16:36:42] <splatone> tabularasa: So your building for 16k active.
[16:37:17] <tabularasa> yeah... scalable to 30k
[16:50:31] <tabularasa> I'm thinknig a couple of Dell EqualLogics 6010S SSD SANs for the write cache and image storage
[16:50:57] <tabularasa> that kind of makes more sense
[16:51:00] <tabularasa> 1.8TB per pod
[17:29:59] <tabularasa> man, you'd think with PVS and VMware's memory sharing you could scale the shit out of one blade
[17:30:29] <kdavy_> tabularasa, there's always gonna be a bottleneck
[17:30:59] <tabularasa> sure
[17:33:56] <tabularasa> with 12 cores and 384 gigs or RAM, i don't know what the bottle neck would be
[17:34:15] <tabularasa> i'm thinking 300 desktops / blade.. will the 12 cores handles 300 VDIs?
[17:34:24] <tabularasa> these are questions i don't have the answer too
[17:34:32] <kdavy_> tabularasa, i highly doubt that
[17:34:39] <tabularasa> yeah, i agree
[17:34:59] <tabularasa> They also have a 4 socket Xeon 7500 with 256 gig RAM
[17:35:11] <JarianGibson> power
[17:35:41] <kdavy_> in my environment, 8 cores (dual Xeon 5530) + XenApp 5 2003 x86 = 60-70% peak CPU with 150 users per blade
[17:36:03] <kdavy_> and Win7 will use a hell of a lot more CPU than a shared Win2003 box, per user
[17:37:01] <tabularasa> for sure
[17:37:18] <kdavy_> JarianGibson, power can be offset by lower density rack placement - if hosting everything in-house
[17:37:37] <tabularasa> 7500 is 8 core?
[17:37:43] <kdavy_> and by power i mean power + cooling
[17:37:46] <kdavy_> tabularasa, yes
[17:38:03] <tabularasa> 32 cores and 256 gig of ram... that should handle 300 desktops...
[17:38:15] <kdavy_> i'd suggest waiting a little bit for 4800 and 8800 series Xeons if you need very high density, they were announced 2 days ago
[17:38:33] <kdavy_> announced = pricing known, already on the OEM market
[17:38:36] <kdavy_> as far as i know
[17:38:46] <tabularasa> to purchase, yes, makes sense...
[17:38:57] <tabularasa> 8800 are 8 core also?
[17:39:07] <kdavy_> those are 6, 8 or 10 core
[17:39:16] <kdavy_> 8800 are 8 or 10 core only
[17:39:29] <splatone> http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2011/2011020901_Intel_Xeon_E7-8800_specifications.html
[17:39:34] <tabularasa> damn
[17:39:57] <tabularasa> where is the bottleneck on PVS ?
[17:40:09] <tabularasa> Citrix claims 1500 per PVS...
[17:40:25] <kdavy_> outbound I/O (network)
[17:40:36] <JarianGibson> and storage
[17:40:43] <kdavy_> assuming you have plenty of RAM and your back-end disks can handle it
[17:40:49] <JarianGibson> i have heard citrix say 3000
[17:41:04] <JarianGibson> but haven't seen it or read about it in real implemenation
[17:41:36] <kdavy_> JarianGibson, I heard a 250 per Gigabit figure somewhere
[17:42:02] <kdavy_> or, well, 250 per dual GigE
[17:42:11] <kdavy_> that'd make it 2500 per dual 10GbE
[17:42:25] <kdavy_> minus overhead, so realistically 2000
[17:42:55] <tabularasa> guess its not much of an issue for me... looks like in my configuration 1 chassis can do 1000 VDIs
[17:43:10] <tabularasa> with backend servers... PVS/DDCs/SQL etc
[17:43:39] <kdavy_> tabularasa, are you gonna do 1 chassis per pod?
[17:43:41] <tabularasa> 2 blades with 12 cores 96 gigs RAM and 3 blades with 32 cores and 256 blades
[17:43:51] <tabularasa> probably not
[17:44:00] <tabularasa> thats what i'm trying to figure out
[17:44:42] <kdavy_> i'd do each pod with N+1 chassis redundancy
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[17:45:30] <tabularasa> 4 chassis per pod....2 in that config, 2 with 4 of the big blades
[17:45:47] <tabularasa> thats right around 2500 desktops
[17:45:51] <kdavy_> yeah, something like that
[17:46:36] <kdavy_> although 24U (not counting storage and network) for 2500 desktops sounds like a waste of space...
[17:48:00] <kdavy_> hm. in fact.
[17:48:20] <kdavy_> Opteron-based systems would probably work much better for such a project
[17:48:35] <kdavy_> but then again, that means not Cisco
[17:49:03] <splatone> kdavy_: I was thinking the same thing.. although with 10core xeons around the corner that might change.
[17:49:21] <kdavy_> Splatone, yea but have you seen pricing for 10core xeons?
[17:49:33] <splatone> kdavy_:No.. is it off the chain?
[17:49:35] <kdavy_> lowest is $2558, highest is $46xx
[17:49:52] <kdavy_> it's ridiculous compared to 12 core opterons
[17:52:39] <tabularasa> yeah, its gonna be like a whole rack for 2500 desktops.. :-/
[17:52:41] <kdavy_> a 12 core Opteron 6168 (entry level) is $769, cheaper than all but one 6-core Xeon
[17:53:06] <tabularasa> SANs + networking + chassis
[17:53:07] <tabularasa> rcalc
[17:53:10] <tabularasa> oops
[17:53:26] <kdavy_> and afaik Opterons are much cheaper in quad-socket configs than Xeon quads
[17:54:22] <tabularasa> the write cache is killing me...
[17:54:37] <tabularasa> 3 GB * 2500 = 7.5 TB or write cache?
[17:54:54] <tabularasa> even at 2GB its 5TB
[17:54:55] <kdavy_> tabularasa, may want to look at Atlantis Computing
[17:56:12] <tabularasa> 5 freaking SANs for write cache
[17:56:23] <tabularasa> do i NEED SSDs for write cache?  i guess thats the question
[17:56:48] <kdavy_> tabularasa, i think you do
[17:56:54] <kdavy_> but do your own IOPs math
[17:57:02] <tabularasa> yeah, i will
[17:57:31] <tabularasa> 150000 iops ish....
[17:57:33] <tabularasa> geesh
[17:57:42] <tabularasa> thats just at 60 per...
[17:58:21] <kdavy_> tabularasa, though the main question is, do you need expensive SLC SSDs for write cache? I highly doubt that
[17:58:37] <tabularasa> sure, but what vendor will sell me a SAN without?
[17:58:55] <kdavy_> makson, what was that one company you kept talking about?
[17:59:16] <kdavy_> the one with 4Tb SSD pods starting at $30k or something
[17:59:24] <tabularasa> ooo
[18:01:54] <kdavy_> found it
[18:01:57] <kdavy_> http://www.nimbusdata.com/products/index.html
[18:02:29] <tabularasa> nice
[18:03:16] <tabularasa> 4 - 12 x 10 GbE / GbE with FlexConnect (SFP+ optic or 10GBASE-T)
[18:03:22] <tabularasa> squirt
[18:03:26] <kdavy_> hehe
[18:03:42] <tabularasa> very nice, thanks
[18:03:50] <kdavy_> you're welcome :)
[18:05:24] <kdavy_> though beware, their HALO operating system is probably based on OpenSolaris, and utilizes ZFS. But as long as the vendor abstracts that away from you there is no reason to care
[18:05:27] <tabularasa> lunch
[18:06:36] <kreign> omg, what is wrong with those ubuntu people...
[18:06:43] <kreign> Ubuntu Oneiric Ocelot = 11.10
[18:06:55] <kreign> I'm going to stop using their shit on the simple basis that I can't pronounce their names.
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[18:18:53] <makson> kdavy: i dealt with the head guy at numbus... he promises a bunch of product, but never produces an eval unit...
[18:19:21] <makson> there price point is very good, but no product to show for it just yet.. Look at whiptail.
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[19:36:39] <makson> kdavy: that was the company, but i take that back based on actions i've seen from them which are zero ha
[19:43:53] <JarianGibson> i will really wish citrix support people would all get on the same page
[19:47:31] <makson> JarianGibson: what happend now?
[19:47:46] <makson> wish Citirxreadiness would hang back out in here again.
[19:47:49] <makson> i'll have to ping him
[19:47:55] <JarianGibson> well
[19:49:28] <JarianGibson> they say they don't support xd5 and xs 5.6 fp1
[19:50:14] <JarianGibson> but some say they do on phone and in forums
[19:50:28] <JarianGibson> documentation for new setup wizard says 5.6 fp1
[19:50:38] <JarianGibson> same thing with windows 2008 r2 sp1
[19:50:48] <JarianGibson> same say they support it and others don't
[19:50:57] <JarianGibson> i guess it is who you talk to on what day
[19:51:11] <JarianGibson> they really need a unified message when it comes to these things
[19:52:24] <JarianGibson> it seems like they are not on the same page
[19:52:41] <makson> JarianGibson: yah that's mickey mouse, i would shoot an email over to david (citrixreadiness) he will get to the bottom of it for you.
[19:56:03] <JarianGibson> we sent some info off to them about this
[19:56:08] <JarianGibson> hopefully they work on things
[19:56:27] <JarianGibson> just frustrating
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[19:59:55] <kdavy[1]> tabularasa, u around? i didnt realize i got disconnected from the channel
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[20:05:40] <JarianGibson> dear vendors when you take a stance on supporting or not supporting something please make that a unified message across the board. sending a mixed message to customers and partners is very frustrating, confusing, and mickey mouse. thanks you and have a great day.
[20:05:53] <JarianGibson> ha
[20:07:11] <kdavy_> JarianGibson, who dat?
[20:07:22] <JarianGibson> take a wild guess
[20:07:34] <kdavy_> does it start with a C and ends with X?
[20:07:39] <JarianGibson> ding
[20:08:00] <kdavy_> what's that "something" you are referring to?
[20:08:14] <JarianGibson> xendesktop 5 and xenserver fp1
[20:08:19] <JarianGibson> windows server 2008 r2 sp1
[20:08:31] <kdavy_> ah, ok
[20:08:40] <kdavy_> lol
[20:09:02] <JarianGibson> me and my team keep getting conflicting answers from citrix support
[20:09:26] <JarianGibson> yes it is, not it isn't blah blah blah
[20:09:34] <kdavy_> they don't have a clue
[20:09:37] <JarianGibson> documentation says something else
[20:10:32] <kdavy_> Jarian, they follow the "innocent until proven guilty until proven innocent" recursion
[20:13:59] <JarianGibson> sounds like it
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[20:26:51] <tabularasa> kdavy_: i am now
[20:28:25] <kdavy_> tabularasa, nah i was just wondering if you said anything about Nimbus
[20:28:50] <kdavy_> btw, you'll have much better luck streaming SQL Management Studio 2005 than 2008
[20:32:56] <makson> kdavy: did u see my comments about nimbus?
[20:33:37] <makson> kdavy_: i worked with the head guy a few times trying to get a eval box for a few big deals, and he could just never preduce. I even just reciently applied again and still have yet to recieve a eval unit.
[20:34:07] <makson> whiptail has a great product, bunch of X citirx guys, with tons of PVS experience.
[20:34:30] <kdavy_> makson, how big was the deal for the eval box?
[20:34:47] <kdavy_> at 16k desktops they'd be stupid not to send tabularasa a demo unit
[20:37:22] <makson> kdavy_: what i'm saying i don't think there is a live product lol
[20:37:28] <makson> just from what i've seen
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[20:37:32] <makson> keep getting the run around
[20:37:48] <kdavy_> heh...
[20:38:14] <kdavy_> that's retarded
[20:38:59] <kdavy_> whats the point of selling something that doesn't exist?
[20:39:45] <makson> we'll i think it exists, but he's not ready for prime time, or he needs to hire more staff! we'll see, for something that big i would be weary of going with someone like that, at lest whiptail has a bit of a track record and reference accounts
[20:39:58] <makson> he couldn't come up with reference account's back when i last talked to him, just ones for the OS.
[20:40:17] <kdavy_> oh so it's just one guy?
[20:41:15] <makson> all i ever spoke to was the ceo
[20:41:20] <makson> even when calling sales lol
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[20:41:31] <makson> funny whiptail said the same thing without me even mentioning the company
[20:42:54] <kdavy_> haha
[20:43:12] <makson> kdavy_: they have a stellar story nimbus, would be great if they can produce...
[20:43:20] <makson> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX125926
[20:43:24] <tabularasa> I hate having to call freaking sales to get pricing
[20:43:28] <tabularasa> re: nimbus
[20:43:30] <makson> that won't work for me... need to determine how many ipads are connecting...
[20:43:37] <makson> tabularasa: lol.. 40k for 4TB i belive
[20:43:50] <tabularasa> 40k for 4TB ssd ?
[20:44:01] <makson> it's some really low nuimebr like that
[20:44:06] <makson> that's what got us attracted to them
[20:44:08] <makson> it's on there site
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[20:44:18] <makson> tabularasa: might be different with 10G interfaces
[20:44:23] <tabularasa> yeah, that too
[20:44:27] <tabularasa> i don't see a price list... :-/
[20:44:35] <makson> im going to email him now, and follow up see where he's at with our eval unit.
[20:44:58] <kdavy_> makson, is that Thomas Isakovich?
[20:45:53] <makson> kdavy_: Hi...
[20:47:02] <kdavy_> makson: ha, on LinkedIn it says "Company Size: Myself Only"
[20:47:12] <makson> REALLY!?!?!?
[20:47:15] <kdavy_> YES
[20:47:19] <makson> hahahahahahahahah
[20:47:23] <kdavy_> http://www.linkedin.com/company/nimbus-data-systems-inc.?trk=copro_tab
[20:47:47] <kdavy_> that's hilarious
[20:47:50] <makson> he must have a product to be speaking at SNW
[20:47:57] <makson> prob has 1 unit he built him self
[20:48:01] <makson> his price point is really good
[20:48:09] <kdavy_> maybe he just rebadges some OEM product?
[20:48:50] <kdavy_> well, actually. his shelves are Supermicro, i can tell that already
[20:49:21] <tabularasa> makson: see if he can give you a price list
[20:49:36] <makson> tabularasa: if you want i can just tell him to email u
[20:49:41] <makson> shoot me over your email.
[20:49:48] <makson> i talked to him last week over email
[20:49:56] <makson> interesting.
[20:50:21] <JarianGibson> anyone stop getting alerts from citrix support forum posts?
[20:50:38] <kdavy_> JarianGibson, yes
[20:51:53] <kdavy_> "Nimbus Data Systems markets a 10GbE NAS compatible rackmount SSD system which internally uses SAS compatible enterprise MLC SSDs which the company designs itself."
[20:51:59] <kdavy_> designs itself MY ASS
[20:52:32] <kdavy_> unless by "design" they mean slapping an LSI interposer onto a SATA SSD
[20:52:52] <kdavy_> in that case i'm "designing" my own SSDs too
[20:52:53] <JarianGibson> wonder what the issue is
[20:53:19] <JarianGibson> havne't received any since late last week
[20:55:19] <makson> kdavy_: haha, i wan't you to give him a call and chat it out. :)
[20:55:41] <makson> would be curious of your thoughts on whiptail too.
[20:56:15] <kdavy_> makson, on the other hand, i found another company profile saying they have 30 employees (2 sales - Thomas and another guy in France; 3 engineers in TX and 25 engineers in India)
[20:56:32] <kdavy_> http://www.storagenewsletter.com/news/flash/start-up-profile-nimbus-data-systems
[20:56:38] <kdavy_> plus some angel investors
[20:56:49] <makson> kdavy_: could be... maybe he's just been so swamped.. he said japan's biggest ISP uses his boxes.
[20:57:26] <makson> i'm just saying I have yet to see a product... and i'm not the only one saying that.
[20:58:27] <tabularasa> nice. Numbus US sales number is down..
[20:58:46] <kdavy_> tabularasa, maybe he's using AT&T
[20:58:58] <tabularasa> ?
[20:59:03] <makson> tabularasa: haha, ah, poor dude...
[20:59:13] <kdavy_> sales number = cell phone
[20:59:17] <makson> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX125926 --> how does it know IPAD VS Iphone
[20:59:39] <tabularasa> lol
[20:59:44] <tabularasa> 877-664-6287
[20:59:49] <tabularasa> is AT&T down
[20:59:50] <tabularasa> ?
[21:00:03] <kdavy_> tabularasa, AT&T is always down
[21:00:11] <kdavy_> especially in San Francisco
[21:00:22] <kdavy_> with the number of iPhones on their network
[21:00:51] <makson> kdavy_: funny, that's where he is right now...
[21:03:07] <kdavy_> makson, i know
[21:12:10] <makson> kdavy_: :)
[21:12:30] <makson> kdavy_: what's your guess on how they know Iphone, vs IPAD when determining client name..
[21:12:33] <makson> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX125926
[21:12:48] <makson> the web interface i don't think is doing that
[21:13:20] <kdavy_> i think the device itself is telling WI what type of device it is
[21:13:29] <kdavy_> actually no. Citrix Receiver is
[21:13:38] <kdavy_> the app. the app knows everything about the device
[21:13:42] <makson> kdavy_: interesting...
[21:13:45] <makson> ya, that makes sense.
[21:14:15] <makson> so they have a bug it loks like where it show's as mobile vs the actually name
[21:14:20] <makson> and they require you to check override client name
[21:14:27] <makson> which then breaks all other connecitng devices
[21:14:29] <makson> some fix !
[21:14:31] <kdavy_> not sure if it's a bug or a feature
[21:14:36] <makson> so now, everyone else is WI_3243209-
[21:14:43] <makson> and we can see Iphone, and Ipad.
[21:15:09] <JarianGibson> kdavy_: citrix support checking on forum alerts
[21:15:27] <kdavy_> JarianGibson, cool
[21:17:17] <kdavy_> will we be retroactively spammed by all the alerts?
[21:17:33] <JarianGibson> probably
[21:17:39] <kdavy_> :D
[21:17:47] <kdavy_> hopefully it's not gonna happen at 3am
[21:17:52] <JarianGibson> mine stopped on 4/1
[21:18:03] <JarianGibson> so 4 days worth of stuff if that is the case
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[21:32:56] <jduggan> guys
[21:33:49] <jduggan> not citrix related so im just abusing you all for clue - whats the best way to disable autodiscovery?  I'm migrating users to a hosted exchange platform and their SBS/outlook combination keeps "correcting" my outlook anywhere settings
[21:34:07] <jduggan> ultimately they'll run published clients
[21:34:11] <jduggan> but for now its just hosted
[21:42:19] <tabularasa> remove those entries from DNS
[21:42:45] <tabularasa> or alter them to the new IP addresses
[21:42:47] <tabularasa> rackspace?
[21:51:20] <kdavy_> jduggan, haha. i used hosts file to point to the correct autodiscovery url on xenapp servers
[21:51:37] <kdavy_> in my case ISA server was screwing everything up
[21:52:05] <kdavy_> but yeah, that's essentially just a workaround for changing the DNA
[21:52:07] <kdavy_> DNS
[22:31:21] <jduggan> yea i just changed it in the end
[22:31:27] <jduggan> to a false autodiscovery
[22:31:31] <jduggan> stopped it happening
[22:31:36] <jduggan> seems to work (tm)
[22:47:01] <gblfxt> wi comes up blank in ie, whats wrong w ie
[22:49:54] <gblfxt> im never buying ie again, i dont know why ms hates ie8 so much
[22:50:54] <jduggan> gay do any of you have issues with outlook 2007 on hosted exchange asking for the password everytime you startup? it's fine once youve given it but it doesnt ever remember it
[22:52:25] <kdavy_> jduggan, yes, that's because of the Exchange 2010 Archive feature
[22:52:31] <tabularasa> yeah, it takes twice to store it
[22:52:34] <tabularasa> it will store it though
[22:53:16] <kdavy_> tabularasa, no, in my environment it kept popping up every 15 minutes, it had to do with the way ISA server passes through authentication between zones
[22:53:39] <kdavy_> don't remember what was done to fix it, i delegated it
[22:54:59] <gblfxt> new system too, now they have to user firefox4 instead
[22:55:15] <tabularasa> we dont have ISA.. it just stuck the second time we hit save
[22:59:40] <jduggan> its not sticking here
[23:00:13] <jduggan> seems to be asking for it every 15 here to
[23:01:10] <kdavy_> jduggan, ahhh nevermind, hosts file fixed that one as well, the tech never figured out how to pass it through ISA
[23:01:17] <kdavy_> it had to do with autodiscovery url too
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[23:07:06] <jduggan> seems to be a credentials problem with outlook
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[23:07:15] <jduggan> it assumes the domain is local or something
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[23:07:34] <jduggan> manually created the auth details in the password vault and it appears ok
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[23:11:47] <gblfxt> prevent some OU's from authenticating via WI
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