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[04:12:00] <kdavy> yeah
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[17:21:58] <vimsol> Hi all, I have a question about Citrix and Word 2007 was wondering if you can help?
[17:22:56] <vimsol> Every second time word 2007 is opened autorecovery prompt is displayed and Word tries to save a normal.dotm file that does not seem to exist
[17:23:18] <vimsol> effects all users
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[17:43:31] <Tenju> Hi Everyone, anyone work with merchandising server 2/
[17:43:33] <Tenju> ?
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[18:16:28] <kreign> awesome, i just figured out how to do shared storage from within xenserver.
[18:17:03] <kreign> that's such a f*cking brilliant approach I'm surprised I didn't think of it earlier...
[18:17:30] <draygo> nfs?
[18:17:34] <kreign> no
[18:17:50] <kreign> draygo, first I thought nbd, but that's a bit of a gongshow/archaic
[18:18:00] <kreign> draygo, mdraid + iscsi
[18:18:21] <kreign> could do a HA XS cluster of sorts w/o Xen 'cluster'
[18:18:26] <kreign> I think.
[18:18:41] <kreign> (or any non-Xen storage for that matter)
[18:18:45] <draygo> you are exporting iSCSI from dom0?
[18:18:46] <kreign> it'd be a crude hack to be sure
[18:18:59] <kreign> draygo, no, I've not done it yet, I've just conceptualized it.
[18:20:03] <kreign> draygo, it'd have to be active/passive but you'd have 2 hosts as your 'cluster'... one exports the local storage via iscsi, the other uses it as part of an mdraid1 pair to its own local storage.
[18:20:19] <kreign> so your storage would stay in sync and reads would not be penalized
[18:20:30] <kreign> though writes would probably get a bit of a penalty
[18:20:35] <draygo> I guess I'm lost on the need for it
[18:20:48] <draygo> i've seen people use drdb with heartbeat
[18:20:49] <kreign> draygo, no overt need.
[18:21:07] <kreign> draygo, just seems like a fairly simple/novel approach
[18:21:20] <kreign> draygo, w/ XS hosts? how's that perform?
[18:21:56] <kreign> the architecture looks a bit complex to me.
[18:22:25] <draygo> it all depends on the network latency
[18:22:39] <draygo> you can setup drbd to be somewhat async
[18:22:41] <draygo> and it works
[18:22:48] <draygo> haven't done it myself
[18:23:08] <draygo> I've nfs via dom0
[18:23:16] <draygo> still a single point a failure though
[18:23:30] <kreign> unless you do HA NFS on the backend
[18:24:19] <draygo> that' i've done
[18:24:25] <draygo> HA nfs with drbd
[18:24:40] <kreign> ah
[18:24:54] <kreign> draygo, problem with drdb is that it's not in any major distros yet, I don't think.
[18:25:05] <kreign> draygo, least of all something I'd want in production
[18:25:22] <draygo> yeah it was a lot of kernel module compiling
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[18:29:45] <nitram> kreign: drbd is in redhat and debian
[18:29:52] <nitram> iirc
[18:30:16] <nitram> kreign: we have done a similar setup with drbd and kvm on top
[18:31:11] <nitram> and in contrast to mdraid over iscsi drbd is designed to work over network
[18:34:14] <kreign> nitram, hmm. don't suppose you've seen any tutorials on how to set it up?
[18:38:01] <draygo> http://www.howtoforge.com/high_availability_nfs_drbd_heartbeat
[18:38:10] <draygo> I used that for the drbd nfs thing
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[18:38:33] <draygo> you can probably just pull the drbd stuff to help you out
[18:41:07] <kreign> draygo, thanks
[18:54:11] <kreign> draygo, how was performance?
[18:54:19] <kreign> draygo, and what kind of files were on the nfs?
[18:54:37] <draygo> vm disk files...so vhd
[18:54:42] <draygo> performance was ok
[18:54:53] <draygo> in the event of a failover
[18:54:58] <draygo> it took a few seconds
[18:55:37] <kreign> draygo, what kind of events could/did trigger the failover?
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[18:56:30] <kdavy_> morning all
[18:56:46] <kreign> hi kd
[18:56:49] <kdavy_> anyone know a decent wireless baby monitor?
[18:56:58] <kdavy_> need good sound quality
[18:57:19] <kdavy_> and omnidirectional microphone
[18:57:30] <kdavy_> mic goes in the helpdesk area, speaker - into my office
[18:57:36] <kreign> kdavy, what frequency?
[18:57:46] <kreign> kdavy, you getting a droppling?
[18:57:47] <kdavy_> kreign, 100-200ft range should be enough
[18:58:04] <kreign> kdavy, you want an intercom.
[18:58:10] <kreign> or a monitoring device
[18:58:11] <kreign> ?
[18:58:18] <kdavy_> kreign, yeah, but baby monitors are cheaper :)
[18:58:34] <kdavy_> monitoring device
[18:58:39] <kreign> I don't think most i've seen have a momentary push
[18:58:44] <kreign> um
[18:58:51] <kreign> baby monitors I recall being worth anything are like 40$
[19:00:16] <Elias_Rus> hi guys
[19:00:34] <tabularasa> kdavy_: i ended up getting an infrared camera system for my kids
[19:00:35] <kdavy_> hi Ilya
[19:00:59] <kdavy_> tabularasa, i don't need to watch them, i just need to hear what BS they are telling the customers so i can intervene
[19:01:27] <kdavy_> especially not in infrared, they're not in a cave
[19:02:16] <kreign> lol
[19:02:28] <kreign> kdavy, using SIP internally? tap that.
[19:03:20] <kdavy_> kreign, no, cisco unity
[19:03:30] <kdavy_> though transitioning to M5 soon
[19:03:56] <tabularasa> kdavy_: ahhh... no kids involved.  :)
[19:04:10] <kdavy_> tabularasa, this is worse than kids
[19:04:24] <tabularasa> apparently
[19:04:31] <kreign> kdavy, 12v mains to their chair
[19:04:33] <kdavy_> sometimes i walk past and hear such bullshit my ears dry out
[19:04:38] <kreign> just administer at random
[19:05:09] <kreign> kdavy, what kinda bullshit?
[19:06:44] <kdavy_> ICA session freezing for multiple users at same office: solution - walk one user through reinstalling network card drivers on their machine over the phone.
[19:06:58] <kdavy_> it's shit like this
[19:07:10] <tabularasa> ouch
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[19:17:51] <kreign> kdavy, did that fix the problem? :P
[19:19:34] <kdavy_> kreign, what do you think? :P
[19:19:52] <kreign> kdavy, hey, weirder shit has happened
[19:20:11] <kreign> kdavy, electrical short on a NIC is not unheard of
[19:20:19] <kreign> that + switch shit ? could be.
[19:20:59] <kdavy_> kreign, ok maybe, but this is tier1 helpdesk we're talking about
[19:40:27] <kdavy_> ha. i just got a promotional email from RES Software
[19:42:16] <kreign> kdavy, RES, what do they make?
[19:49:29] <kdavy_> kreign, they make crap products and sue people who try to make something cool
[19:49:36] <kdavy_> like Pierre_Marmignon
[19:49:51] <kdavy_> http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/brianmadden/archive/2011/03/29/res-software-pulls-out-the-legal-guns-to-squash-a-free-user-environment-manager.aspx
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[19:58:16] <kreign> kdavy, huh their site looks like the site of an MSP i'm familiar with
[19:58:23] <kreign> they've been around for... a while
[19:58:46] <kreign> the MSP should sue them
[20:14:24] <kdavy_> finally! i finally got the damn Cisco PIX PDM software to work with server 2008 R2 and IE8 and Java
[20:14:46] <kreign> kdavy, evil. :|
[20:15:03] <kreign> kdavy, the amount of dependence cisco has upon Windows for management /interface crap is obscene.
[20:16:45] <kdavy_> yep
[20:17:36] <kdavy_> ok now i have something to do when i'm bored - name all the 800+ access rules and figure out which ones are no longer necessary
[20:18:08] <kreign> kdavy, ahaha
[20:18:15] <kreign> kdavy, yeah, I've got that too. :|
[20:18:26] <kreign> probably about 3k total, though.
[20:19:12] <kdavy_> nice
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[21:06:56] <rocky439> how many xencenters can you run?
[21:07:42] <kreign> rocky439, total, or until the host starts to crash?
[21:09:08] <rocky439> kreign i will tell you what im trying to do, I have xencenter on my laptop and now im putting it on a server
[21:09:24] <kreign> rocky439, ok?
[21:09:29] <rocky439> can i run both the one on my laptop and the server
[21:09:29] <kreign> it's a console application
[21:09:48] <kreign> why do you think you wouldn't be able to?
[21:10:44] <rocky439> i donno, i want to make sure before i do it that i can run both and they will both show me my pools
[21:12:16] <rocky439> i did not know if the information is held in xencenter or on my xenservers
[21:13:20] <kreign> rocky439, they will
[21:13:43] <kreign> rocky439, xc is just a query tool; all the storage, etc. is on the server. it'd be stupid to keep that info on the console
[21:14:36] <rocky439> good news
[21:16:08] <kdavy_> does XenCenter support MS Failover Clustering?
[21:19:05] <kreign> kdavy, ... maybe I don't understand how MS failover clustering works...
[21:19:25] <kdavy_> kreign, i'm just trying to confuse rocky439 :)
[21:19:38] <kreign> ok, that's what I thought ;)(
[21:20:11] <kdavy_> hmm so i just installed Splunk and pointed a bunch of syslog stuff to it
[21:20:19] <kdavy_> i like it a lot already
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[21:22:10] <rocky439> it does not take much to confuse me :-)
[21:22:48] <rocky439> hopefully seen i will be talking about failover and loadbalancing but right now im at the basics
[21:25:33] <kreign> kdavy, huh does it do a good job? try out loganyalyzer ?
[21:25:36] <kreign> or w/e they're calling it now
[21:25:51] <kdavy_> kreign, yeah, the log search engine
[21:25:58] <kdavy_> it does do a really good job so far
[21:26:18] <kreign> kdavy, no, I mean compared to loganalyzer... tho i suppose you didn't try that ;)
[21:26:32] <kdavy_> not quite sure how far the 500Mb per day limit in the free version will get me
[21:26:52] <kreign> yeah
[21:26:52] <kreign> heh
[21:27:14] <kdavy_> although i can just make syslogs less verbose if i need
[21:27:35] <kreign> 500Mb is a slow afternoon. :|
[21:27:58] <kdavy_> can always have multiple instances of splunk, no? :)
[21:28:01] <kreign> haha
[21:28:05] <kreign> this is true, I suppose
[21:28:05] <kdavy_> one per network zone for example
[21:28:24] <kreign> then roll up logs of importance to acentral
[21:28:26] <kreign> a central
[21:28:42] <kdavy_> none of them are of much importance really
[21:28:44] <kreign> i love their tagline
[21:29:10] <kdavy_> "listen to your data"?
[21:30:12] <kreign> "taking the sh out of IT"
[21:31:55] <kdavy_> haha
[21:32:00] <kdavy_> sweet
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[21:45:21] <kreign> come to think of it i think i've seen/used that before.
[21:45:26] <kreign> the tagline
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[22:25:51] <gblfxt> WI, why wont you just work w IE?
[22:26:04] <kdavy_> hmm why is my ISA server denying access to the PNagent site all of a sudden?
[22:27:25] <tabularasa> cmd
[22:28:04] <kdavy_> huh?
[22:30:37] <kdavy_> ipconfig
[22:30:57] <kreign> gee, ya think 28 million rows in a poorly normalized db might cause some perf issues....
[22:31:14] <kreign> highly fragmented db table at that *grumble*
[22:31:33] <kdavy_> kreign, is it MyISAM or InnoDB?
[22:33:50] <kreign> kdavy, i dunno what's informix use?
[22:33:57] * kreign grumbles again
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[22:36:32] <gblfxt> what version does UPM come with?
[22:38:25] <tabularasa> ?
[22:38:31] <tabularasa> UPM is at version 3.2.2 if thats what you are asking
[22:42:21] <kdavy_> kreign, ah i assumed mysql
[22:43:00] <kdavy_> oh so apparently i'm now Progress DB certified, according to our company sales brochure
[22:43:14] <kdavy_> no idea where sales came up with that, i've never even worked with Progress
[22:46:32] <kreign> What's progress? :P
[22:47:01] <kreign> I wasn't aware that it was a db so much as it was some sort of scripted knowledgebase 5GL
[22:47:10] <kreign> kdavy, you have my sympathies
[22:47:15] <kreign> go get angry at a sales guy
[22:54:11] <kdavy_> hehe
[22:55:10] <kdavy_> it's too late, i'm already stuck with an account that uses a Progress-based app unfortunately. contract was signed yesterday
[22:55:24] <kreign> dice.com
[22:55:26] <kreign> start looking
[22:55:27] <kreign> :)
[22:55:30] <kreign> (For a hire)
[22:58:24] <kdavy_> right
[23:06:35] <kdavy_> wtf... just noticed the following line in a SPLA email: ; If the usage amount for a specific Corporate customer is greater than $1000 per month , the Service Provider must submit this usage under a separate corporate enrollment number for that customer
[23:06:48] <kdavy_> since when is that?
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