[00:01:39] <gblfxt> it seems 2 factor integrates with WI
[00:01:50] <kdavy_> gblfxt, yep
[00:03:04] <kdavy_> btw, check out AuthAnvil - they have a good product and much cheaper than RSA. works with WI as well
[00:03:59] <gblfxt> ah, k, ill look at that as well, thanks!
[00:05:23] <gblfxt> looks like they support citrix specifically too, thats good
[00:05:26] <kdavy_> gblfxt, and this is why i like them too: http://www.scorpionsoft.com/pricing
[00:05:49] <kdavy_> no complicated shit, all pricing info is on the website, no annoying sales people
[00:05:59] <fkreign> kdavy, you blocking /msg ?
[00:06:35] <kdavy_> fkreign, no, the opposite - i'm using /msg to notify helpdesk of them slacking, via a script
[00:06:49] <fkreign> LOL
[00:07:03] <fkreign> are they on IRC or does it fire off email?
[00:07:06] <kdavy_> the script applies to everyone, even myself. very convenient
[00:07:18] <fkreign> "you're chatting too much, get back to tickets"?
[00:07:55] <kdavy_> no, it just pops up an /msg message on their screen saying "You have X new tickets older than 10 minutes", or "You have X outstanding tickets that haven't been updated in 24 hours"
[00:08:11] <fkreign> honestly i'm not sure how someone could work in IT and not consider IRC as a resource nearly as valuable as mailing lists and their web browser...
[00:08:27] <fkreign> ah
[00:08:31] <kdavy_> fkreign, we use IRC internally. it's invaluable
[00:08:35] <fkreign> i take it everyone in the office IRCs...
[00:08:38] <fkreign> ah
[00:08:39] <fkreign> yeah
[00:08:42] <fkreign> I'm the only one who IRCs
[00:08:51] <fkreign> can barely get anyone in the office to fucking respond to IMs, for that matter.
[00:08:57] <fkreign> come back and knock on my door when it's shut, even.
[00:08:59] * fkreign grumbles
[00:09:01] <kdavy_> yes, though I'm the only one who IRCs outside of the corporate network
[00:09:48] <fkreign> *nod*
[00:09:53] <fkreign> it's an awesome back channel.
[00:10:04] <kdavy_> i'm the only one who tweets, as well
[00:10:06] <fkreign> friends and I IRC over VPN usually
[00:10:12] <fkreign> private network and all that
[00:10:22] <fkreign> private helpdesk, rather
[00:10:26] <kdavy_> well, our marketing guy also tweets, but he tweets such bullshit i don't even follow him
[00:10:27] <fkreign> it's quite helpful
[00:10:44] <fkreign> lol
[00:10:47] <fkreign> w00000 go rams!
[00:10:58] <fkreign> #rams #Rule #suckit
[00:12:15] <kdavy_> fkreign, no, it's work related - http://twitter.com/#!/isutility
[00:12:37] <kdavy_> but i think he composes the tweets in Word or something....
[00:15:18] <kdavy_> and i don't think that account is followed by a single customer, just random tweeps
[00:32:05] <jono-> anyone know where a person can find a good XenApp (only) operations framework... kinda like best practices, day to day check lists of stuff that should be done, weekly, monthly, etc...
[00:38:56] <kdavy_> jono-, not sure... it all comes with experience to be honest
[00:39:31] <kdavy_> if there was something that applies to every xenapp farm, someone would make a commercial product around that already
[00:40:02] <jono-> yeah i'm more just looking for a BP's type doc
[00:40:12] <jono-> just a framework, nothing too detailed....
[00:40:31] <jono-> like i have task lists from managing farms before and kinda just taking experience and trying to piece some things together
[00:41:06] <jono-> but figured maybe CCS or someone may have had something from beforfe... even if it was from older meta days
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[00:41:33] <kdavy_> you might want to watch some old BriForum sessions - tons of good info there
[00:41:45] <kdavy_> and definitely come to BriForum 2011 Chicago :)
[00:43:04] <jono-> id love to... i think syn/sum will be it though
[00:43:11] <jono-> double :\
[00:46:20] <kdavy_> jono-, synergy is useless compared to briforum
[01:01:08] <jono-> i know
[01:01:16] <jono-> hence the :\
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[02:06:13] <tabularasa> Splatone: by default windows will look in NETLOGON for the "Default User" directory
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[02:55:57] <shinko> Hi
[02:56:31] <shinko> Could someone help me please
[02:57:44] <shinko> Anybody here?
[03:00:26] <shinko> hallo?
[03:01:58] <shinko> halo?
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[04:46:45] <gblfxt> still cant find that icasession wmi object, i wonder if its edgesight only
[04:48:55] <gblfxt> excel 2007 performance issues on xa6, wtf
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[13:36:14] <Splatone> MorNing all.
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[13:58:06] <tabularasa> morning
[14:00:40] <Splatone> tabularasa:http://ts.fujitsu.com/promotions/blade-made-easy/
[14:00:50] <Splatone> pretty cool actually.
[14:00:54] <Splatone> i want one.
[14:01:12] <Splatone> tabularasa: watch the video.
[14:07:42] <Splatone> tabularasa: more in depth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_sq0ul0Jnc
[14:32:16] <tabularasa> interesting
[14:40:50] <Splatone> tabularasa: yea its pretty slick.
[14:42:12] <Splatone> although Im worried that part of fujitsu's manufacturing got hit by the tsunami.
[14:42:28] <Splatone> I have to talk with my sales dude and find out what the impact is.
[14:42:39] <Splatone> I think we are going to be getting a blade soon.
[14:43:01] <Splatone> Im starting to dislike the amount of cables off the back of my single server boxes.
[14:44:28] <Splatone> tabularasa: the issue im having is that I want to load a mandatory profile with active directory only without having to specify a tsprofile path in the users ad setting.
[14:49:03] <jduggan> kdavy
[14:49:08] <jduggan> or
[14:49:14] <jduggan> anyone else here using zfs
[14:49:15] <jduggan> ?
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[15:16:06] <tabularasa> Splatone: its been forever since i've done mandatory
[15:22:12] <Splatone> tabularasa: is there any way to specify a profile path for a user outside the domain?
[15:22:41] <tabularasa> i don't see how
[15:25:25] <Splatone> so for mandatory the only way is to point the ts profile for all users in AD to the same profile location.
[15:26:34] <kdavy_> morning
[15:27:18] <Splatone> kdavy_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_sq0ul0Jnc
[15:27:30] <kdavy_> Splatone, reading the article now
[15:29:00] <kdavy_> hmmm interesting
[15:30:25] <Splatone> tabularasa: the other thing I was wondering is if it is possible to specify a profile path for a user OU with group policy alone instead of in each user profiles.
[15:30:53] <tabularasa> tsprofiles, yes
[15:31:02] <tabularasa> don't you use the UPM ?
[15:31:30] <Splatone> tabularasa: Im not right now but I might use it depending on what I need done.
[15:31:37] <tabularasa> UPM is fantastic, you need to
[15:31:50] <Splatone> UPM doesnt support mandatory i dont think?
[15:32:41] <tabularasa> prob not
[15:32:42] <Splatone> although I would be ok without mandatory as long as I have a way to keep nothing on the server and lock down the growth of the profiles.
[15:32:58] <kdavy_> Splatone, you can do that with UPM
[15:32:58] <Splatone> Or delete the profile every time the user logs out.
[15:33:06] <kdavy_> can do that too
[15:33:48] <tabularasa> you can do mandatory with UPM ?
[15:34:01] <kdavy_> and you can set up filters for what gets saved to the network and what gets straight-up deleted on logoff
[15:34:11] <kdavy_> tabularasa, no, not mandatory
[15:34:37] <Splatone> tabularasa: one problem I might run into is that a trusted forest user will be logging in and they have UPM on there farm and Im worried that it will use that profile path vs the one I setup.
[15:35:29] <Splatone> You wont believe the shit we already are having to do to get printing based on location working right.
[15:36:23] <kdavy_> Splatone, what's so hard about location-based printing?
[15:37:05] <Splatone> He has a farm assingning local printers based on IP and OU where he assigns the session a specific IP block.  Then I have to use the assigned IP block as the filter criteria for assigning the printers on my end.
[15:37:20] <kdavy_> (i don't do it since we don't have users travel between sites, but in theory you could apply group policy based on range of source IPs for example, or something)
[15:37:31] <Splatone> kdavy_: its a pain when all the users are sourcing from a single citrix server.
[15:38:10] <Splatone> kdavy_: in this case the source IP address is his citrix server so that doesnt work.
[15:38:16] <kdavy_> Splatone, but you can still get their local machine source IP from the Citrix server and script based on that
[15:38:58] <Splatone> kdavy_: USER -> customer citrix server desktop -> opens app on my citrix farm.
[15:39:19] <Splatone> kdavy_: the local address is always his citrix server.
[15:40:51] <Splatone> kdavy_: the only way Ive seen to do this is by assigning the session a ip block based on location and then on my side applying the printing policies based on that block.
[15:41:06] <Splatone> Im all ears for another way to do it.
[15:41:52] <zaf> yeah you can pull the actual endpoint IP
[15:41:52] <Splatone> And I would just use client printers but the app prints directly to the //server/printershare
[15:42:26] <zaf> oh.. hrm
[15:42:32] <Splatone> Unless I can figure out a way for the printer names to be static vs "printer on client in session" blaw/.
[15:43:01] <Splatone> I will never see the endpoint IP.
[15:43:27] <zaf> so it's pc -> citrix -> citrix ?
[15:46:46] <Splatone> zaf: yes\
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[15:54:29] <zaf> yea, sounds like a bitch, heh
[15:54:51] <zaf> somehow you have to get the on-site server to tell your server the client's IP
[15:55:12] <zaf> which could be scripted if you can set up the communication
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[16:09:29] <Splatone> zaf that sounds like a worse nightmare.
[16:22:40] <jduggan> kdavy_: you use zfs righte?
[16:25:48] <jono-> old school printer names for static?
[16:31:25] <kdavy_> jduggan, yes
[16:34:39] <jduggan> kdavy_: what do you do about remote backups?  DO you have a backup san and sync snapshots to it?
[16:34:57] <jduggan> or dual writes or what
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[16:39:40] <kdavy_> jduggan, right now i'm not doing SAN level backups
[16:42:37] <Splatone> Ive got to figure out real soon how to backup to Tape.
[16:43:53] <kdavy_> backup to tape from what?
[16:46:58] <jduggan> kdavy_: xe vm-export scripts ?
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[16:51:32] <kreign> Splatone, tape? :-/
[16:51:41] * kreign wonders why you'd tape for anything but archival
[16:51:54] <kreign> in triplicate no less.
[16:52:28] <jduggan> tapes are a bit gay
[16:52:49] <kreign> gay like an expensive escort
[16:53:08] <kreign> work with me on this metaphor, I Think I lost it.
[16:53:13] <Splatone> I agree I hate tape.
[16:53:13] <kreign> :P
[16:53:58] <Splatone> Although I would love to have a FC tape drive that has the ability to backup/restore the entire lun.
[16:54:05] <kreign> physical removable media sucks in general for backup, but it's gotta be done on some level.
[16:54:20] <kreign> Splatone, so why do you have to b/u to tape, specifically?
[16:54:56] <kdavy_> kreign, i like tape... my tape library holds 240 L3 tapes - plenty of space
[16:54:59] <Splatone> kreign: I dont but I do need the ability swap media to go offsite.
[16:55:01] <JarianGibson> yo
[16:55:48] <kreign> Splatone, ah. how much storage is necessary?
[16:55:58] <kdavy_> JarianGibson, did you get SCVMM installed yet?
[16:55:58] <kreign> Splatone, I've got a different solution (a couple, actually) for that problem.
[16:56:31] <JarianGibson> kdavy_: not yet been busy on other stuff. going to try to tonight.  did you?
[16:56:49] <jduggan> replication offsite via 10gige is easier though, tapes you have to worry about media going dodgy
[16:56:49] <Splatone> Currently I dont have the bandwidth to replicate anywhere.
[16:57:05] <kdavy_> JarianGibson, no, i'm having some weird SSPI issue with authentication of domain accounts between my mgmt server and the sql box
[16:57:58] <Splatone> what I would like is a Tape library that can backup a entire lun directly off FC without having to use backup exec or some other shady software on windows.
[16:58:02] <kreign> Splatone, same situation here.
[16:58:16] <kreign> Splatone, one solution is to use the RDX drives.
[16:58:48] <JarianGibson> weird. i am going to tonight so i can let you know if i have any issues
[16:58:52] <kdavy_> tabularasa, have you seen this KB? http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX128842
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[17:04:37] <Splatone> kreign: I think exabyte has a san -> direct library.
[17:05:15] <Keldawn> ok so i get confused by some of these citrix namings.  What is the correct product if I want to take our windows xp / windows 7 workstations and provide them with a citrix product that is similar to windows terminal server. xenapp or xendesktop?
[17:05:52] <kreign> Splatone, the other option is a removable SAN, the idea of which I've toyed with.
[17:06:24] <Splatone> kreign: yea that provided the san has the ability to replicate
[17:12:24] <kreign> Splatone, I transplanted one of these (or one similar to it, at least) into an old 50 cal can: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132029&cm_re=sata_raid5_enclosure-_-16-132-029-_-Product
[17:12:28] <kreign> Splatone, just -barely- fits
[17:13:01] <kreign> and put a sata header->esata backpanel in the host(s) that need to push to it.
[17:13:53] <Splatone> kreign:http://www.tandbergdata.com/us/index.cfm/products/disk-based/rdx-quikstation/8900rdx/
[17:14:50] <kreign> I had some thick rubber foam I got from a prosthetics place that I used to hold the esata expander inside the can, fwiw. cut a hole for the power plug and slats for venting.
[17:15:13] <kreign> Splatone, wow, what's that cost?
[17:15:34] <Splatone> kreign: no idea
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[17:16:01] <kreign> the biggest problem I have with RDX is that the drives are fucking expensive (and they're just an "any brand" sata hard drive in a plastic case, more or less)
[17:16:04] <kreign> great idea
[17:16:07] <kreign> just... wow.
[17:16:43] <kreign> i like the idea though.
[17:16:49] <kreign> just wish it wasn't so stupid expensive
[17:18:01] <kreign> Splatone, if you've only got one backup job running from a single host at a time and want to do RDX look at the single disk USB models... might be a better option, they're significantly cheaper
[17:18:24] <kreign> (if your OS and platform can handle USB, that is)
[17:19:16] <Blackthorn> my isci device has 4 hard drives in it. drives 1:2 are set to duplicate each other and 3:4 as well. Drives 1:2 were too small so I moved all my VM's to 3:4 and after a few wekks of testing everything was running smoothly. I removed the target to 1:2 a few hours ago. When i formated 1:2 drives the system crashed. all vm's went down. rebooting the iscsi device and accessing my first xen sever i
[17:19:16] <Blackthorn> was able to bring up a minmal set of vm's so that were back in service. however my 2nd and 3rd xen server are unable to reattach the isci drive even after reboot. not sure what to try now.
[17:20:07] <kdavy_> Blackthorn, did you remove the SR to the drives before removing the iScsi target mapping?
[17:20:29] <Blackthorn> yes
[17:21:06] <kdavy_> it sounds like something was still left on those drives... or you corrupted something else by accident
[17:21:24] <Blackthorn> removed it within the xencenter console i show the second iscsi storage. and can click on it and gives me the option to repair the other two servers. after hitting repair it just says that it can't.
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[17:22:11] <Blackthorn> all the vm storage locations listed as being on drives 3:4.
[17:22:13] <kdavy_> i've seen that before, had to reboot all xenserver hosts (pool master, then all slaves while pool master is rebooting, then pool master again after slaves come up)
[17:22:32] <Blackthorn> ok, i can try that. thanks
[17:22:35] <kdavy_> 5.6 FP1?
[17:23:30] <Blackthorn> what command can i issue at the console to tell me the version?
[17:23:51] <Blackthorn> nope. i'm on 5.5.0
[17:23:59] <Blackthorn> but i am patched.
[17:24:14] <Blackthorn> 5.6 would not run on my servers, it could never find the ethernet port
[17:26:04] <Blackthorn> spent qutie a few days trying to debug that issue but came to the conclusion that 5.6 just didn't support the hardware.
[17:27:13] <kdavy_> yeah, they removed a bunch of stuff from the 5.6 HCL
[17:27:21] <kdavy_> lemme guess, Realtek NICs?
[17:29:36] <Blackthorn> correct
[17:31:08] <Blackthorn> asus motherboards with quad core procs and  marvell gig lan
[17:33:16] <Blackthorn> what does hcl stand for?
[17:34:28] <kdavy_> hardware compatibility list
[17:38:28] <Blackthorn> rebooted my primary server, and when it came up i tried to reconnect it to the isci storage and says "server could not be contacted". i'm a bit nervious at the moment
[17:38:33] <kreign> kdavy, did they really remove rtl ethernet from the hcl?
[17:39:27] <kdavy_> kreign, yes i think so
[17:39:58] <kreign> kdavy, older stuff?
[17:40:05] <kdavy_> Blackthorn, "server could not be contacted?"
[17:40:10] <kreign> rtl have been some of the best supported cards in linux for a looooong time. :|
[17:41:02] <kdavy_> kreign, there is not a single Realtek nic on the HCL now
[17:41:41] <kreign> wow.
[17:42:02] <kreign> "we've gotta be just like vmware, so let's remove hardware support"
[17:42:06] <kreign> I can understand why they did it, sorta.
[17:42:08] <kreign> still.
[17:42:24] <kdavy_> in fact now that i'm looking. Realtek was NEVER on the HCL
[17:43:44] <kreign> .... really.
[17:43:46] <kreign> heh
[17:44:16] <kdavy_> yep
[17:44:43] <kdavy_> all they have now is Broadcom, Chelsio, HP, Exar and Intel
[17:45:04] <kreign> hmm which is weird, because broadcom sucks.
[17:45:27] <kdavy_> IBM mostly uses Broadcom, they wouldnt remove support for that
[17:45:36] <kdavy_> so does Dell i think
[17:47:45] <kreign> yeah.
[17:47:52] <kreign> and HP to large degree.
[17:48:25] <kdavy_> what does Fujitsu use, Intel?
[17:48:43] <Blackthorn> well i'm rebooting my iscsi device again. the xencetner kept saying that i didn't have any targets even though the iscsi device said there setup and working.
[17:49:00] <kdavy_> Blackthorn, that is weird... very weird
[17:49:57] <kdavy_> d'oh. DNF is delayed again
[17:55:47] <Blackthorn> ok rebooted the iscsi device, used xenserver and forgot the old repository. went to create new repository.. put in user/pass pulled the iqn, but then when it goes to lun says it says no lun's found.
[18:00:13] <Blackthorn> well i just removed the lun from the target then remaped back to it
[18:04:53] <Blackthorn> it just refuses to find any luns now..
[18:07:36] <cathederal> someone want to help me out really quick?  I have 4 identical servers, xenserver locks up on node4.  I have run memtest on it over three days, no errors, I have used mersenne prime and another cpu stress test to check for cpu errors..it reported fine and didn't lockup........but, i install xenserver on it and after a few minutes, it locks up completely
[18:08:13] <cathederal> i've replaced the server with a new one, identical....same issues..only the hard drives (hypervisor sits on them), processors and memory are the same
[18:08:33] <kreign> cathederal, disable all c and power states inthe BIOS.
[18:08:35] <cathederal> nodes 1-3 run like champs...node 4, fubarred
[18:08:46] <cathederal> c?
[18:08:50] <kreign> c states, yes
[18:09:07] <kreign> http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/611
[18:09:09] <cathederal> ok, let me try that...
[18:09:32] <kreign> in fact, I'd disable anything that looks potentially fancy, personally. :P
[18:12:35] <tabularasa> heh, c-states
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[18:20:27] <cathederal> done...still having issues
[18:21:14] <cathederal> on the console on startup...shows call trace and then lots of other commands it looks like and then locks up
[18:22:03] <kdavy_> cathederal, did you disable turbo mode as well?
[18:22:29] <cathederal> yeah, pretty much everything i could fine
[18:22:32] <cathederal> find*
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[18:35:22] <Blackthorn> ok i got the iscsi target and lun working and it shows the storage now. when i went to start a sever that is listed in xencenter it said no bootable device and looking at storage tab it's empty.
[18:35:41] <Blackthorn> how to i attach the server data?
[18:36:39] <Blackthorn> oh my i just went to attach. and it shows "no name" then drive size.
[18:40:49] <kreign> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145304&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL032411&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL032411-_-EMC-032411-Index-_-InternalHardDrives-_-22145304-L0B
[18:49:01] <kdavy_> Blackthorn, ah! your VM metadata was likely stored on the first SR
[18:49:11] <kdavy_> that explains it
[18:49:37] <kdavy_> you will need to match all your vDisks to VMs manually by attaching the vDisks one by one
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[18:58:03] <Blackthorn> yes, i've been randomly attaching disks booting then reattaching to the correct server
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[18:59:36] <cathederal> so on my server, i removed CPU2 just to try it out using one processor...the server seems to be stable at the moment
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[18:59:50] <cathederal> been able to login to it without it freezing up and connect it to the xen pool
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[19:10:46] <Blackthorn> ok seems like i have everything restored.. whew!
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[19:11:10] <kdavy_> Blackthorn, congrats
[19:11:19] <kdavy_> i know the feeling
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[19:25:05] <uk> .
[19:25:18] <tabularasa> &
[19:33:31] <Blackthorn> thanks for the help kdavy. going to go take a walk around the block now. lol
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[20:08:56] * pyrofallout I am getting the following error on my XEN VPS: "getty[8900]: /dev/hvc0: No such file or directory"
[20:09:24] <pyrofallout> to my understanding hvc0 has something to do with the serial terminal port from the xen host. is something i can fix on my server or is it a provider thing?
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[20:31:09] <Elias_Rus> hey
[20:31:43] <zaf> anyone know of a guide for converting HVM RHEL to PVM?
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[21:54:17] <tabularasa> I can't for the life of me get this damn iPad to work on AGEE
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[23:56:39] <CherryPie> Hi All
[23:57:11] <CherryPie> Anybody use the Citrix Quick Launch tool?





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