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[12:54:43] <tabularasa> morning peeps
[12:55:34] <jduggan> morning
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[14:57:30] <kdavy_> but User SAL technically allows the user to use Office on more than one device - i.e. a XenApp server + local computer, just not both at once
[14:57:37] <Splatone> http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/userights/DocumentSearch.aspx?Mode=3&DocumentTypeId=2
[14:58:00] <kdavy_> same with perpetual Office licenses on local computers - if it's there, you don't need a user SAL on the XenApp box
[14:59:44] <Splatone> kdavy_: I think the rental is there so you can have the customer install office on there own laptops etc outside the dc.  Although It could be only for when the customer is actually renting a server from you.
[15:00:09] <kdavy_> not sure... we don't do that
[15:04:02] <tabularasa> yeah, i've never seen that either
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[15:13:34] <suprsonic> are xenapp hotfixes accumulative?
[15:14:28] <kdavy_> suprsonic, hotfix release packs are, individual post-HRP hotfixes aren't
[15:15:05] <suprsonic> kdavy we applied SP1 to 2008 R2 last night and now xenapp isn't accepting any new connections
[15:15:08] <suprsonic> ever seen this?
[15:15:38] <tabularasa> i thought XA6 didn't support SP1 yet
[15:15:54] <suprsonic> well my tech installed it last night!
[15:16:00] <suprsonic> fml
[15:18:12] <jduggan> haha
[15:18:20] * jduggan rofl
[15:18:35] <suprsonic> real cool jduggan
[15:18:38] <jduggan> there's enough xa6 issues as it is
[15:18:46] <jduggan> sry suprsonic
[15:18:49] <tabularasa> that sucks
[15:18:51] <jduggan> you should sack your tech
[15:18:54] <jduggan> :)
[15:19:06] <jduggan> or a written warning
[15:19:26] <tabularasa> http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1541493
[15:19:33] <tabularasa> Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1 - Known Issues
[15:19:34] <tabularasa> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX126711
[15:20:21] <suprsonic> thanks tabularasa
[15:20:30] <tabularasa> hope that helps some
[15:22:05] <kdavy_> lawl
[15:22:30] <tabularasa> my stupid AGEE still doesn't work with iPad
[15:23:38] <kdavy_> tabularasa, that's because an iPad is not an Enterprise device
[15:23:51] <tabularasa> tell that to marketing.. :-/
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[15:43:11] <catphish> does xenserver support post-install customization of linux hosts when cloning from a template?
[15:43:49] <catphish> i would like to be able to create an ubuntu template then clone from it, automatically configuring network, hostname, etc
[15:49:36] <zaf> catphish, set your template vm up to run a script on its next boot
[15:50:36] <catphish> that's of course possible
[15:50:48] <catphish> will xenserver inject information into the script?
[15:51:06] <catphish> or will i just need to enter data at first boot?
[15:52:00] <zaf> what would you want to inject?
[15:52:17] <catphish> ip address, hostname
[15:52:58] <catphish> i want to be able to enter those details into the wizard in the UI when creating the new VM
[15:56:54] <kdavy_> catphish, that is not possible
[15:57:11] <catphish> that's a shame
[15:57:15] <kdavy_> you could assign IP by MAC via DHCP, but hostname will need to be entered manually
[15:57:35] <catphish> kdavy: actually hostname can be acquired over reverse dns quite effectively
[15:57:44] <catphish> but i will just postinstall manually
[15:57:55] <kdavy_> well, that too
[15:58:06] <kdavy_> but still it's not gonna be 100% automatic
[15:59:04] <catphish> ok, no worries, i'll postinstall manually, or write a script to accept user input at first boot
[15:59:16] <catphish> thanks
[15:59:30] <kdavy_> i know larger Xen hosting providers actually use large scripts for deploying new VMs instead of relying on clones. that's the best way to ensure all hosts will be completely unique - otherwise you may have matching SSL certs, in case of MySQL matching accounts, etc etc
[15:59:42] <kdavy_> * install scripts
[16:01:17] <catphish> that's true, a clean netinstall might be a sane choice too
[16:01:33] <catphish> i've got to go actually, thanks for your help
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[16:21:09] <kdavy_> yay, new toy - cisco 1811 router
[16:21:35] <kdavy_> time to replace the 2611's
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[16:23:20] <tabularasa> wow, bout time.  ;)
[16:23:25] <kdavy_> yep
[16:23:45] <kdavy_> the 1811 has 3x the throughput, and hardware vpn encryption without addon cards
[16:24:04] <kdavy_> plus there's a version with wifi - could be good for some locations too
[16:24:15] <tabularasa> yeah, but if you're only routing a T1, it really doesn't matter, heh
[16:24:26] <tabularasa> why didnt you go with the 1911 ?
[16:24:52] <kdavy_> tabularasa, no, way more than T1, some locations have 10Mbps fibre
[16:25:27] <tabularasa> yeah, 2611 does 7.68 Mbps
[16:25:40] <tabularasa> 2811 does 61.44
[16:25:45] <kdavy_> tabularasa, Mbps is not an issue - pps is
[16:25:51] <tabularasa> but, why did you not go with the 19xx series?
[16:25:58] <tabularasa> 15k vs 120k, yeah
[16:26:05] <kdavy_> with ICA, average packet size is under 63 bytes
[16:27:20] <kdavy_> you mean 1921?
[16:27:26] <tabularasa> correct
[16:27:30] <tabularasa> or 1901 or whatever
[16:27:33] <tabularasa> you already bought old tech
[16:27:43] <tabularasa> great router, don't get me wrong
[16:27:46] <kdavy_> 1811 isnt old
[16:28:14] <tabularasa> They are EOS in December
[16:28:20] <kdavy_> but i picked 1811 because it has a built-in 8 port switch
[16:28:31] <tabularasa> yeah, like i said, its a great router
[16:28:41] <kdavy_> that way i don't have to use ports on a separate switch for ISP tunnels
[16:28:47] <tabularasa> EOL is 2016 though
[16:28:53] <tabularasa> which should be fine
[16:28:59] <tabularasa> 19xx has all the same options as 18xx
[16:29:17] <kdavy_> well, if i always bought the latest and greatest, there wouldn't be any money left :-P
[16:29:38] <kdavy_> 19xx doesnt have the switch
[16:29:45] <tabularasa> sure it does
[16:29:57] <kdavy_> where?
[16:29:59] <tabularasa> it has a bunch of different service modules that can give you 3/8/16 port switches
[16:30:15] <kdavy_> ok, i meant a switch without having to get extra modules
[16:30:24] <kdavy_> those cost money too
[16:30:49] <tabularasa> heh
[16:30:51] <tabularasa> and not cheap
[16:30:56] <kdavy_> exactly
[16:31:05] <kdavy_> the 1811 was like $390
[16:31:45] <tabularasa> thats decent
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[16:39:43] <TuxOtaku> Hey guys, any XenServer users in here?
[16:40:23] <tabularasa> yes
[16:51:44] <TuxOtaku> http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?threadID=284187&tstart=0
[16:51:53] <TuxOtaku> any idea what I could be doing wrong here?
[16:54:55] <Splatone> kdavy_: One thing about the new 19xx series routers is the way the software is licensed on them is a bit different.
[16:55:27] <kdavy_> Splatone, what's the difference?
[16:56:13] <Splatone> kdavy_: licensing is locked down by license keys per device vs old model where you actually just pulled down whatever image you needed.
[16:56:44] <kdavy_> Splatone, heh. the more reason to keep using the 18xx
[16:57:08] <Splatone> kdavy_: Yea cisco went a bit more anal than I like with the licensing.
[16:57:46] <kdavy_> must've used Juniper for inspiration
[16:58:13] <Splatone> kdavy_: Well they are trying to get to a uniform image.  They still run a monolithic system though.
[16:58:46] <Splatone> kdavy_: juniper runs a module based system so if one process crashes it doesnt bring down the entire box like cisco does.
[17:01:10] <Splatone> kdavy_: atleast they havent got to brocade levels of analness yet where you buy a box with 24 ports but only can access 8 of them unless you buy a license.
[17:01:36] <kdavy_> oh yeah, QLogic is just as anal
[17:01:46] <draygo> Tux: what does your routing table on the debian vm look ilke?
[17:03:01] <kdavy_> even more so... the Qlogic 5xxx fibre switches have the four 10Gbps wide ports for interconnecting several FC switches together, but since they're ports 17-20, you need to buy a 20 port license for every switch even if you want to have two interconnected switches with 4 SFP ports on each - for redundancy or otherwise
[17:03:46] <Splatone> TuxOtaku: on your post you said the public interface has a ip of x.x.169.49..  Did you assign that on the host?
[17:04:59] <draygo> splat: doesnt' look like it...i'm betting what is happening is that he's setting up two default routes
[17:05:13] <draygo> that's what i read from his interfaces file
[17:05:24] <draygo> he need to get rid of one of them
[17:05:46] <Splatone> on the xen host there should be no public IP's assigned.
[17:05:56] <draygo> correct
[17:06:04] <draygo> but he's talking about the vm
[17:08:00] <Splatone> draygo: Also, since I forgot to mention earlier, eth0 on the guest is pointing at the private interface on the host, and eth1 is on the public interface. On the host as well, I cannot ping in or out on the public interface, which has been given the public IP of 216.123.169.49.
[17:08:23] <Splatone> where is that .49 address assigned?
[17:10:51] <draygo> from what i gather the vm.
[17:11:15] <draygo> doh
[17:11:16] <draygo> no
[17:11:19] <draygo> .49 is on the host
[17:11:25] <draygo> it's the same issue in both cases though
[17:11:29] <draygo> two default gateways
[17:11:35] <draygo> the system doesn't know which to use
[17:11:38] <Splatone> the host shouldnt have a public IP.
[17:11:43] <draygo> but it can
[17:12:15] <Splatone> draygo: im sure it can but you would put it on a different interface than your vm's if thats the case.
[17:12:15] <TuxOtaku> Splatone, yeah that .49 is on the host machine
[17:12:44] <TuxOtaku> now how do I use xe to reassign default routes?
[17:12:45] <draygo> not really
[17:12:56] <draygo> the ip you assign is on the bridge
[17:13:03] <draygo> you use the same bridge for vms
[17:13:06] <draygo> one sec tux
[17:13:17] <draygo> i wrote something in a diff post showing you how to do static routes
[17:14:47] <TuxOtaku> k, I'll brb too, gonna boot the host back up again...took it down to toss some extra RAM in it
[17:14:51] <draygo> http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?threadID=249944&start=0&tstart=0
[17:15:29] <draygo> splat: where i work we provision xenserver with a private network and public network
[17:15:50] <draygo> we set it up so that managment is on the private side with a static route
[17:16:02] <draygo> we bind a public ip to the public side and use it as the default gateway
[17:17:19] <Splatone> draygo: whats the advantage it doing it that way?
[17:21:45] <draygo> dom0 has internet
[17:21:47] <draygo> that's about it
[17:21:52] <draygo> it was a business decision
[17:22:05] <draygo> my company and I were the reason that citrix put in the ability to do static routes
[17:22:12] <draygo> in 4.1 there wasn't an option for that
[17:29:42] <TuxOtaku> it kind of baffles me that there wouldn't be an easy way of doing this
[17:29:56] <TuxOtaku> I mean, all I want is a machine with a public IP
[17:34:01] <Rienzilla> TuxOtaku: I don't think xenserver is your issue here
[17:35:56] <TuxOtaku> oh, it is, trust me
[17:36:04] <Rienzilla> well
[17:36:07] <TuxOtaku> we tried plugging a totally different machine into that same port
[17:36:12] <Rienzilla> ok
[17:36:13] <TuxOtaku> and giving it the same IP
[17:36:16] <TuxOtaku> worked fine.
[17:36:23] <Rienzilla> okay
[17:36:39] <Rienzilla> did you give a vlan tag in the config by accident?
[17:36:44] <TuxOtaku> nope.
[17:36:56] <TuxOtaku> this is a BRAND NEW install of xenserver
[17:37:11] <tabularasa> vlan/trunk port issue?
[17:37:18] <TuxOtaku> not that I can see
[17:37:23] <tabularasa> that doesn't help
[17:37:24] <TuxOtaku> I just telnet'd to the switch
[17:37:34] <TuxOtaku> no vlan setup outside of the management vlan
[17:37:36] <tabularasa> so, when you plugged antoher machine in there, it worked?
[17:37:40] <TuxOtaku> yup
[17:37:43] <TuxOtaku> "just worked"
[17:37:43] <tabularasa> so, you're not using trunks
[17:37:47] <TuxOtaku> nope
[17:37:55] <tabularasa> ok, whats the networking configuration on the XenServer?
[17:38:08] <tabularasa> am i wrong in thinking you have to use trunking to XenServer?
[17:38:16] <tabularasa> though, i can't imaging why you wouldn't anyway
[17:44:56] <draygo> you shouldn't have to
[17:45:00] <draygo> if you give me a route print
[17:45:04] <draygo> i should be able to help you tux
[17:45:51] <jduggan> route print?
[17:45:54] <jduggan> isnt it route -n
[17:45:58] <tabularasa> netstat -ar
[17:46:00] <draygo> sure
[17:46:09] <tabularasa> lol
[17:46:12] <draygo> head stuck in windows today
[17:51:29] <Rienzilla> TuxOtaku: there is no reason why your setup shouldn't work with xenserver... it's pretty much the default (I use exactly the same setup)
[17:51:54] <TuxOtaku> draygo, yeah gimme one sec
[17:52:26] * Rienzilla would recommend tcpdumps on both the relevant host bridge and member interfaces, and the guest interfaces to see where the traffic is lost
[17:52:44] <Rienzilla> and/or checking the upstream switch for the mac addresses of the xenserver guests
[17:52:53] <Rienzilla> or any mac addresses for that matter
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[18:43:38] <jose> Does any one know if it is ok to install xencenter on a vm
[18:45:58] <Rienzilla> it works
[18:46:14] <Rienzilla> but, I wouldn't recommend installing xencenter on a vm on the host you are trying to manage :)
[18:46:29] <Rienzilla> that will bite you in the ass at some indetermined time in the future
[18:50:11] <tabularasa> s/xenserver/"xencenter on a vm"
[18:56:13] <jose> yea, also i think it might mess up my backups
[18:56:53] <jose> I'm running VB windows scripts on the same machine as xencenter.  any one do it diffrent
[18:57:45] <Rienzilla> i'm just backing them up the same why I back up bare metal
[18:57:51] <Rienzilla> (i.e. with tivoli)
[18:58:14] <Rienzilla> although I'm contemplating automatically backing up a snapshot every month
[18:58:41] <Rienzilla> that will save quite some time in case of a restore from scratch if that would ever be needed
[18:59:13] <jose> yea, there are some good script out there for that
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[19:36:16] <suprsonic> tabularasa looks like I got hit by the license bug
[19:36:28] <suprsonic> licensing server isn't launching after SP1 upgrade
[19:36:29] <Elias_Rus> hi guys
[19:40:40] <kdavy_> hi Elias_Rus
[19:41:08] <Elias_Rus> kdavy_, privet, kak dela ? :)
[19:42:35] <kdavy_> neploho :)
[19:47:23] <Elias_Rus> kdavy_, nice to hear that
[19:48:13] <kdavy_> uhh, where the hell is the user security assignment in SSRS 2008 R2?
[19:48:21] <kdavy_> can't find it
[19:54:04] <kdavy_> ah, found it
[19:58:06] <kdavy_> meh. a consultant is trying to feed me bullshit about having to install some package on all SQL servers in my farm for their application to work
[19:58:27] <kdavy_> i asked him for their deployment manual. it states the following:
[19:58:37] 
[20:02:31] <kdavy_> he also went ahead and changed the user account for the SQL instance on a test SQL box i gave him to his own temporary account (which will be disabled when he's gone) - "because otherwise nothing will work"
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[20:06:45] <andreas07> hello anyone XenDesktop exprert here?i
[20:07:18] <gblfxt> sounds like a web dev that we hired that just had to have the SA login
[20:08:05] <kdavy_> gblfxt, did he also want domain admin?
[20:08:11] <kdavy_> this guy did :)
[20:08:32] <kdavy_> i can't see how idiots like this can get away with charging $250/hr
[20:08:42] <gblfxt> pretty much, i just told him all generic admin logons were disabled for PCI compliance
[20:09:03] <kdavy_> hmm, thats a good one :) i'll have to remember that excuse
[20:10:15] <andreas07> anyone here have a solution or workaround for XenDesktop error 1030?
[20:10:40] <kdavy_> google?
[20:10:47] <andreas07> nothing
[20:12:08] <kdavy_> sounds like it's not a xendesktop error, but a secure gateway issue
[20:12:21] <kdavy_> have you seen this thread: http://www.brianmadden.com/forums/t/42959.aspx ?
[20:13:20] <andreas07> i cant figure out what is happening with this error..it only shows when trying to connect to machine from internet not from Lan
[20:13:45] <kdavy_> andreas07, precisely what i said - error has nothing to do with xendesktop
[20:14:11] <kdavy_> check your ACLs
[20:15:26] <andreas07> i am not behind any firewall ,
[20:15:45] <kdavy_> andreas07, are you using CAG or CSG?
[20:16:16] <andreas07> CSG
[20:16:31] <kdavy_> that's where you need to look
[20:18:53] <andreas07> i am going to setup again from scratch CSG..is any info,how-to.. available to use it with XenDesktop?
[20:19:16] <kdavy_> andreas07, no idea, i dont use it. maybe someone else here knows
[20:19:49] <andreas07> thanks kdavy_
[20:20:01] <kdavy_> no problem
[20:41:38] <kdavy_> Intel 320 series SSDs look a lot more promising than the 510's - 39.5k read and 23k write IOPs @4kb, under $2/gig, sizes up to 600Gb
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[20:41:59] <kdavy_> that's only 3x more expensive than 10k drives
[20:42:30] <Elias_Rus> andreas07, I use XD with CSG it works perfect
[20:42:59] <andreas07> in order to make a proof of concept for XenDesktop you must have CSG or CAG?
[20:43:13] <kdavy_> Elias_Rus, fyi my company is expanding into Ukraine, possibly Russia :)
[20:43:14] <andreas07> Elias do you have any info for the setup?
[20:43:26] <kdavy_> http://www.isutility.com.ua/
[20:43:56] <Elias_Rus> kdavy_, thats cool
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[20:45:08] <kdavy_> Elias_Rus, yep, good solution against "maski-show" - all 1C and other databases/company data will be hosted in the US, so it can't be confiscated
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[20:47:31] <Elias_Rus> andreas07, I followed manual and everything was fine, if you have a particular question just ask
[20:48:14] <andreas07> thanks Elias
[20:48:42] <andreas07> i ll download the CSG image for XenServer correct?
[20:49:44] <Elias_Rus> kdavy_, not every company wants to put it's it services outside the LAN
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[20:50:22] <Elias_Rus> andreas07, Secure Gateway 3.1 on Win2003(on vSphere 4.1)
[20:51:13] <Elias_Rus> andreas07, http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX116425
[20:52:29] <Elias_Rus> kdavy_, especially if we are talking about financial organizations
[20:52:33] <andreas07> it will work with XenDesktop?
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[20:54:56] <kdavy_> Elias_Rus, agreed, but financial orgs generally are less likely to get into much trouble, and have legal resources to fight. we're targeting small businesses (<300 seats)
[20:55:11] <Elias_Rus> andreas07, you need to find out which scenario you are going to implement  your CSG, check with Adming guide
[20:55:35] <kdavy_> wait. there is a CSG image for XenServer? That's a first...
[20:55:40] <kdavy_> CSG runs on Windows
[20:55:55] <Elias_Rus> andreas07, we use a double-hop DMZ.
[20:57:46] <andreas07> kdavy thats my wrong..
[20:58:05] <Elias_Rus> kdavy_, anyways Ukraine as well as Russia have very big and dynamic markets
[20:58:30] <Elias_Rus> kdavy_, why not to try
[21:00:01] <kdavy_> Elias_Rus, exactly
[21:02:46] <Elias_Rus> andreas07, once CGS is configured you can install XD web interface and integrate it with Secure Gateway
[21:04:45] <andreas07> Elias and everyone else..sorry for all of my questions but where i can found the CSG for windows ?
[21:09:09] <Elias_Rus> andreas07,  it inside the PS 4.5/5.0 CD
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[21:26:16] <eastz0r> Hi all, getting some errors on a XenServer 5.6 pool. The pool uses iSCSI storage with multipathing. I have researched this and 5.6 seems to have a bug to do with using iSCSCI multipathing. Does anyone here know about this?
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