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[03:37:27] <bax> I have a question about resource pools, any think they can lend me an ear
[03:44:05] <bax> any one
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[08:39:52] <Jenius> is there a place where i can self-learn (training) in XenApp?
[08:40:10] <Jenius> something for the newbie, perhaps -)
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[13:33:59] <TuxOtaku> hey, any xenapp users here?
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[13:51:29] <archstanton878> anyone around?
[13:51:49] <TuxOtaku> nope
[13:51:50] <TuxOtaku> :P
[13:52:10] <TuxOtaku> archstanton878, you wouldn't happen to use XenApp would you?
[13:52:15] <archstanton878> classic.. hi tux do you know if there is a xendesktop channel anywhere
[13:52:28] <TuxOtaku> not that I know of
[13:52:33] <archstanton878> yeah we do
[13:52:42] <archstanton878> im not an expert on it though
[13:52:43] <TuxOtaku> ok maybe you can answer something for me
[13:52:49] <TuxOtaku> nothing technical
[13:52:52] <TuxOtaku> more logistic
[13:53:09] <TuxOtaku> my company is really interested in xenapp
[13:53:10] <TuxOtaku> but
[13:53:19] <TuxOtaku> how does software licensing work??
[13:53:35] <TuxOtaku> doesn't the very nature of application virtualization break most licenses?
[13:53:51] <archstanton878> its expensive lol thats about as much as i know
[13:54:15] <archstanton878> yes it does you have to check the licensing model for you apps
[13:54:53] <TuxOtaku> *sigh*....the world would be such a simpler place if everyone used open source
[13:55:03] <archstanton878> yeah licensing is a knightmare
[13:55:11] <archstanton878> especially in the virtual world
[13:55:23] <archstanton878> ive been dealing with oracle on vmware thats fun
[13:55:32] <TuxOtaku> lol so I've heard
[13:57:02] <TuxOtaku> again, I wish people would pay more attention to open source
[13:57:05] <archstanton878> im probably totally wrong here but a lot of apps are specific in that as long as you can demonstrate control in limiting the use of an app to the number of users you are licensed to you are ok
[13:57:24] <archstanton878> obviously apps are all licensed in different ways
[13:57:36] <archstanton878> best to get a site licence and unlimited use wherever possible
[13:57:52] <TuxOtaku> I guess the only real way to know for sure is to contact the vendor's sales department
[13:58:25] <archstanton878> yep it just depends on your agreement
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[13:58:54] <TuxOtaku> on that note too, you wouldn't happen to be a xenserver user would you?
[13:59:11] <TuxOtaku> I've been having this problem with XenServer that's been driving me up the wall for weeks
[13:59:17] <archstanton878> im not that keen on xenserver im mainly vmware vsphere
[13:59:46] <TuxOtaku> ok maybe you can tell me something then on that front
[13:59:54] <archstanton878> i installed it as part of xendesktop 5 express and it was a bit flaky
[14:00:20] <TuxOtaku> how easy is it to allow public access to VMWare guests?
[14:00:34] <TuxOtaku> like if you give the guest its own public IP there's no issue right?
[14:00:57] <TuxOtaku> because there seems to be some really stupid routing weirdness on xenserver that prevents this
[14:01:16] <TuxOtaku> like you can't just give public IPs to guests and expect them to work.
[14:01:42] <archstanton878> you need to assign it to the correct virtual switch
[14:01:45] <TuxOtaku> even if you've got them on a separate NIC which is going straight out to a public line
[14:02:56] <archstanton878> so on vmware i would just patch the public network into a seperate nic assign a vswitch to it call it public or something then set the guests nic to that vswitch
[14:03:12] <archstanton878> make sure the guest has the correct ip and im done
[14:03:56] <archstanton878> im sure this is totally possible in xenserver
[14:04:18] <TuxOtaku> yeah it has to be
[14:04:28] <TuxOtaku> I know I've done it before
[14:04:40] <TuxOtaku> shit I've been working with XenServer for years
[14:05:04] <TuxOtaku> well okay, not years
[14:05:12] <TuxOtaku> but long enough to have done something like this before
[14:05:38] <TuxOtaku> worst part though
[14:05:50] <TuxOtaku> finding anyone else who HAS done this
[14:05:58] <TuxOtaku> try googling for this problem
[14:06:01] <TuxOtaku> see what you come up with
[14:06:03] <TuxOtaku> :P
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[14:07:05] <archstanton878> yeah that means youve got to think of your set up has to have something obscure about it
[14:07:34] <archstanton878> have you done any bizarre customisations or is the hardware non standard
[14:07:59] <archstanton878> have you tried a diferent host
[14:08:45] <TuxOtaku> yep, tried a brand new host
[14:08:55] <TuxOtaku> hardware is all commodity stuff
[14:08:57] <TuxOtaku> nothing weird
[14:09:26] <archstanton878> http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2007-06/msg00301.html
[14:09:34] <archstanton878> nothing like that is it
[14:09:44] <TuxOtaku> intel core i7 cpu, 16GB RAM, two gigabit NICs, 2 TB hardware raid1
[14:09:55] <TuxOtaku> sec
[14:10:16] <archstanton878> yeah fair enough
[14:10:44] <archstanton878> im suprised no one else on here has any suggestions its quite quiet in hee
[14:10:55] <TuxOtaku> yeah
[14:14:14] <archstanton878> got to go myself in a sec got to make the dinner
[14:14:32] <archstanton878> i take it the networks are different ranges
[14:14:43] <archstanton878> and they are bridged to the physical nics
[14:15:57] <archstanton878> im getting existed about xendeskop though
[14:16:37] <archstanton878> got a great design im working on
[14:16:37] <TuxOtaku> yeah
[14:16:47] <archstanton878> wanted to chat to others looking to use it
[14:18:03] <archstanton878> http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenNetworking
[14:20:54] <archstanton878> i take it you have a physical machine on your public network that you can try and ping the guest with
[14:21:04] <archstanton878> like behind the firewall
[14:27:44] <TuxOtaku> yep
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[16:37:00] <chuck638> I have two xenserver 5.6 and I'm looking up scripts does any one have a script they like the best
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[16:43:18] <TuxOtaku> speaking of xenserver
[16:43:23] <TuxOtaku> chuck638, maybe you can help me
[16:43:45] <TuxOtaku> I've got a xenserver box, and all of its guests need to have public IPs
[16:47:15] <TuxOtaku> I've got two NICs on the host box
[16:47:32] <TuxOtaku> one is on a private network (for the management interface)
[16:48:22] <TuxOtaku> the other is on a public network, with nothing in between...it's hooked straight into the switch that's going to our upstream router.
[17:04:47] <chuck638> do you have a block of public ip to use
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[17:27:18] <TuxOtaku> chuck638, yep
[17:27:28] <TuxOtaku> 216.123.169.0/24
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[17:44:43] <bax> does any one remember the command line to remove a local hard drive
[17:50:04] <bax> will and sr-forge work
[17:50:39] <bax> sorry sr-forget
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