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[10:46:27] <Deepa> Is there any desktop client available so I don't have to use the web interfaces, there's the one that looks pretty much identical to the metaframe presentation server and the metaframe presentation server's webinterfaces that I deal with
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[15:19:00] <draygo> ssh root@cloudcon101
[15:19:05] <draygo> doh
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[15:36:28] <TuxOtaku> any xenserver users around?
[15:36:35] <rev78> here
[15:36:49] <TuxOtaku> hey, so I have a bunch of VMs
[15:36:50] <TuxOtaku> and
[15:36:59] <TuxOtaku> I'm trying to give them public IPs
[15:37:20] <TuxOtaku> so far, they can ping the outside world from said public IPs
[15:37:27] <cathederal> here
[15:37:29] <TuxOtaku> but the outside world can't ping them
[15:37:34] <cathederal> firewall?
[15:37:38] <TuxOtaku> nope
[15:37:45] <cathederal> routing/nat issue?
[15:37:51] <cathederal> err, routing
[15:37:56] <cathederal> no nat since they're public
[15:38:21] <TuxOtaku> they only have one default route each...and that's to the public network's gateway
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[15:38:23] <cathederal> are they on a DMZ network?  Is it routed properly?
[15:38:38] <Rienzilla> if they can ping the outside world but not the other way around I strongly suspect a firewall
[15:38:47] <cathederal> then the gateway is blocking them somehow
[15:38:49] <rev78> and you can ping the gateway from the world?
[15:38:57] <TuxOtaku> yep the gateway is pingable
[15:39:07] <rev78> i'm with cathedral, the gateway has to be blocking it somehow
[15:39:14] <rev78> what kind of gateway, cisco router?
[15:39:38] <TuxOtaku> not sure, the gateway is downtown in a NOC
[15:39:40] <TuxOtaku> :P
[15:39:42] <cathederal> if they are windows VMs, it the firewall turned on there?
[15:39:51] <TuxOtaku> the firewall is off
[15:40:02] <cathederal> somewhere, on the reverse route, ICMP replies are being denied...
[15:40:03] <TuxOtaku> I disabled the service entirely
[15:40:09] <cathederal> a firewall rule or ACL is blocking it
[15:40:16] <rev78> wait,
[15:40:40] <TuxOtaku> it's two windows VMs and one Debian VM
[15:40:45] <TuxOtaku> FYI
[15:40:46] <rev78> they're on a physically different subnet as the gateway
[15:40:53] <TuxOtaku> no
[15:41:05] <cathederal> they're on the same subnet?
[15:41:16] <TuxOtaku> the host has two NICs
[15:41:43] <rev78> thatdoesn't matter
[15:42:08] <rev78> you're telling us you gave them a public ip, but you're routing ALL traffic from the hosts to a gateway in a noc
[15:42:14] <cathederal> can you call the NOC and ask them to make sure that any traffic flowing to the VMs on those public IPs isn't being blocked
[15:42:50] <rev78> is the public ip a public ip from the noc? if not
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[15:43:20] <rev78> are you trying to multihome, if so have you tracerouted to make sure that when you're pinging out it's going via that public IP?
[15:43:20] <cathederal> specifically, is the IP world routable?
[15:44:05] <cathederal> come on tux0, keep up...i'm on pins and needles here
[15:44:43] <rev78> not trying to be rude or anything, just having a hard time grasping how your traffic is routing across those public IPs if all traffic is being routed to the gateway which is a downtown noc, which to me would say there has to be a point to point or something else and the two subnets would not be the same, it has to be subnetter because it routes across an edge device
[15:45:06] <rev78> me too
[15:45:13] <cathederal> brb
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[15:49:13] <ScottCochran> morning all
[15:49:23] <rev78> morning
[15:52:44] <rev78> still around tux?
[15:57:48] <TuxOtaku> yeah sorry gimme a sec
[15:57:52] <TuxOtaku> I think I might have fixed it
[15:57:54] <TuxOtaku> brb
[15:59:22] <ruinah_> good morning
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[16:08:20] <TuxOtaku> ok I got it all figured out
[16:08:21] <TuxOtaku> now
[16:09:02] <rev78> good deal
[16:09:16] <rev78> was it the default route?
[16:09:25] <TuxOtaku> yeah, now how do I change that?
[16:09:54] <TuxOtaku> that is to say, how do I change that so that it sets the CORRECT default route on boot
[16:10:29] <rev78> not sure about debian but in windows i think you have to manually reset an particular static routes on each boot if it isn't covered by the default gateway
[16:11:06] <TuxOtaku> no no
[16:11:10] <TuxOtaku> I mean on the host
[16:11:16] <TuxOtaku> on XenServer
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[16:12:03] <rev78> oh
[16:12:58] <rev78> http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?threadID=249944&tstart=0
[16:13:00] <rev78> that might help
[16:13:04] <rev78> is it in a pool?
[16:13:21] <TuxOtaku> no, just a single machine
[16:16:10] <rev78> that link might have the answer then
[16:16:22] <rev78> sorry, i just haven't done static routes for each individual host
[16:57:29] <kreign> kdavy, you can 'hide' domains sharing the same sus source from each other, right?
[17:17:29] <kdavy_> sus source?
[17:30:45] <kreign> ie a wsus server repository
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[17:38:32] <kdavy_> oh, no idea
[17:38:55] <kreign> omg busy day. ;|
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[17:49:39] <kreign> hmm I wonder if I should apply to backblaze.
[17:49:42] <kreign> those guys are awesome.
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[17:56:01] <kerpow> hi all. anyone know whether the altaddr command used in XenApp can be used in XenDesktop 5 as well?
[17:57:09] <tabularasa> wow, i hope not.  :)
[17:57:41] <tabularasa> i'd imagine no though, as its a server command, not a client OS command
[17:57:58] <kerpow> anyway of replicating this beahviour then?
[17:58:17] <tabularasa> in a good topology setup you shouldn't need it
[17:58:20] <tabularasa> what are you trying to do?
[17:58:55] <kerpow> of course. I ahve a demo lab that is isolated in a VM env. but what to access it on production
[17:59:22] <kerpow> altaddr and a simple firewall like IPCOP works great with XenApp. bit stuck with XD
[18:00:09] <tabularasa> don't want to use CSG or CAG or AGEE ?
[18:01:19] <kerpow> no. we want to use some WAN Op stuff and don't want to encrypt it. otherwise, yes, that would be the solution
[18:01:54] <kerpow> I suppose I'll just have to rethink the network topology. maybe use a router instead of a firewall
[18:02:06] <tabularasa> or just have the XDs on real IP space
[18:02:09] <kerpow> won't be truly isolated though :(
[18:02:14] <tabularasa> yeah, totally
[18:02:48] <kerpow> oh well, nvm. thanks :)
[18:03:12] <kerpow> might stick around to see if anyone else has anyu interesting discussions. is it often busy here?
[18:05:38] <tabularasa> yeah, sometimes it is
[18:05:43] <tabularasa> just stick around.. see /topic.  :)
[18:06:39] <kreign> "that looks good on computer now make it work on mine" -> "which browser are you using?" -> "windows 6" -> "you mean internete explorer 6?" -> "yes, that one"
[18:06:44] * kreign bangs head on wall
[18:06:50] <tabularasa> heh
[18:07:20] <rev78> lol
[18:07:35] <kreign> stupid thing is 10 years old next month.
[18:07:39] <kerpow> yikes
[18:25:02] <tabularasa> heh
[18:25:07] <tabularasa> die!
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[18:46:35] <Rienzilla> hmm
[18:47:03] <Rienzilla> My nfs server has been offline for a moment, and now my xenservers complain they cannot find the nfs iso library anymore
[18:47:09] <Rienzilla> can I somehow rescan it?
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[19:05:49] <gblfxt> why is  Win32_PerfRawData_CitrixICA_ICASession inaccessable?  it need to be installed seperate?
[19:13:12] <Rienzilla> argh this sucks
[19:13:32] <Rienzilla> there is some old transfer vm running from a failed xenconvert, and I cannot stop it, it seems
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[19:22:00] <Rienzilla> awesome
[19:26:12] <Rienzilla> any idea how I force-shutdown a vm with a disk mounted on an unavailable NFS repo in xenserver?
[19:27:05] <tabularasa> Rienzilla: hurtin...
[19:28:03] <Rienzilla> yeah this sucks :(
[19:28:16] <tabularasa> sorry man
[19:28:18] <Rienzilla> I don't want to reboot my entire server because of this :(
[19:28:42] <Rienzilla> there is no 'kill it, no really, do it'-switch? :)
[19:28:44] <tabularasa> you need kdavy_ or ownage
[19:29:27] <rev78> i'm going out on a lime here but you might be able to find the process linked to that vm and kill it
[19:29:32] <rev78> limb, not lime
[19:29:37] <rev78> stupid fingers
[19:29:49] <tabularasa> mmmm limes...  maybe i'll make margarittas tonight
[19:29:51] <kdavy_> lolwut?
[19:30:02] <pesadilla> you can try kill qemu's process under your risk
[19:30:09] <kdavy_> xe vm-reset-powerstate
[19:30:10] <rev78> ps -ax |grep hfmdevadmin
[19:30:14] <rev78> well shoot\
[19:30:21] <rev78> there i go typing in wrong windows again
[19:31:13] <Rienzilla> reset powerstate doesnt work either
[19:31:53] <Rienzilla> just sits there
[19:32:40] <kdavy_> hmm
[19:32:52] <Rienzilla> rev78: I could kill the qemu process, but that would most probably cause an inconsitency between what's running where, and what xencenter thinks is going on
[19:33:24] <kdavy_> oh, it's an nfs iso library, not nfs SR
[19:33:40] <Rienzilla> yeah it is
[19:33:47] <kdavy_> you're saying the VM just sits there powered on, and you cannot shut it down?
[19:33:50] <Rienzilla> yes
[19:34:06] <Rienzilla> it's something created by xenconvert I think (Transfer VM for VDI .....)
[19:34:18] <Rienzilla> it's on, I even had console acces, but it won't power off
[19:34:19] <kdavy_> there is probably a stuck shutdown task somewhere, see if it appears in xe task-list
[19:34:25] <Rienzilla> there is
[19:34:32] <Rienzilla> I tried to cancel them with no effect
[19:34:44] <kdavy_> they will eventually cancel - after 12 hours
[19:34:59] <kdavy_> but you can restart xapi for them to clear earlier
[19:35:36] <Rienzilla> how do I do that, and will that affect my running vm's?
[19:35:44] <kdavy_> "service xapi restart" or "xe-toolstack-restart"
[19:35:51] <kdavy_> it will not affect running VMs
[19:36:08] <kdavy_> but you will lose access from xencenter, so it's better to do it via ssh
[19:36:16] <Rienzilla> ok
[19:36:22] <Rienzilla> I was already accessing via ssh
[19:36:42] <Rienzilla> ok, no tasks now
[19:36:58] <Rienzilla> but still a running vm
[19:37:03] <Rienzilla> retry rthe reset-powerstate?
[19:38:07] <kdavy_> no, retry vm-shutdown force=true
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[19:39:19] <Rienzilla> hangs (note: the iso library with the disk this vm is on is not available anymore. It's probably why it's hanging)
[19:39:40] <kdavy_> you could also run xe vm-cd-eject --multiple
[19:39:51] <kdavy_> that'll eject all ISOs including inaccessible ones
[19:39:53] <Rienzilla> it's not the cd
[19:40:24] <kdavy_> ok, if it's not a cd, then you have an NFS SR, not a NFS ISO store
[19:40:37] <Rienzilla> I created it as an iso store
[19:40:51] <Rienzilla> Type: ISO
[19:41:57] <kdavy_> same thing, VM still sees it as a CD
[19:42:12] <Rienzilla> ok.
[19:42:42] <Rienzilla> [root@mezzomix ~]# xe vm-cd-eject uuid=55642400-a028-af60-8910-067718990360
[19:42:43] <Rienzilla> Error: No CDs found
[19:42:55] <Rienzilla> it's listed as a virtual disk in the storage tab too
[19:43:09] <Rienzilla> I tried unplugging it, which also doesnt work
[19:43:15] <kdavy_> strange
[19:43:47] <Rienzilla> yes :(
[19:43:54] <kdavy_> hmm as a side note, just found a very neat command for monitoring all sorts of parameters on xenserver remotely
[19:44:01] <kdavy_> xe vm-data-source-query
[19:46:13] <JarianGibson> yo
[19:46:18] <kdavy_> sup JG
[19:46:24] <JarianGibson> nada, how you doing
[19:46:46] <kdavy_> alright, celebrating (kind of)
[19:47:56] <kdavy_> just automated some stuff, completely eliminated two types of tickets and phone calls that get escalated from Tier1
[19:48:09] <JarianGibson> nice
[19:48:10] <kdavy_> about 25% reduction on Tier2 workload
[19:48:18] <kdavy_> and way less distractions
[19:48:28] <JarianGibson> even better
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[20:36:01] <kreign> kdavy, huh what'd you do? that's a great reduction.
[20:36:26] <kreign> fire someone? :P
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[20:51:15] <Tenju> Hey Everyone
[20:52:23] <Tenju> I have some Thin clients that will be joined to the domain (Wyse - Windows Embedded STandard 7) and I would ilke to use the embedded reciever to allow for the functionality of Control + Alt + Delete+ and other security reasons
[20:52:44] <Tenju> I'm running XenDesktop 5 and all i see is the Appliance lock on the Install media
[20:53:15] <Tenju> is there not a new version of the embedded reciever or is it integrated with appliance lock now?
[21:01:46] <Rienzilla> oh man
[21:01:49] <Rienzilla> this is fucked up
[21:02:00] <Rienzilla> now xe-toolstack-restart fails to get xapi running again :(
[21:02:59] <jduggan> :(
[21:04:05] <Rienzilla> anyone on care to help me with this?
[21:07:52] <Rienzilla> if I start xapi it will come back for like 15 seconds (i.e. I can connect with xencenter), but after a while it will fail with 'daemon disappeared'
[21:13:02] <jduggan> hmmmmmmm
[21:13:07] <jduggan> what does it say in the logs?
[21:13:36] <Rienzilla> http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?threadID=246077&tstart=0 <-- it's approximately this issue
[21:13:41] <Rienzilla> 'domain stuck in dying state'
[21:14:32] <jduggan> do you knwo the domid of the dying domain?
[21:14:59] <jduggan> grep deadbeef /var/log/xensource.log
[21:17:23] <jduggan> Rienzilla: ?
[21:19:44] <Rienzilla> yeah it's deadbeef
[21:19:53] <Rienzilla> 110 | deadbeef-dead-beef-dead-beef0000006e | DS B
[21:20:19] <jduggan> do /opt/xensource/debug/destroy_domain -domid 110
[21:21:00] <Rienzilla> that doesn't work. Hangs a while and then complains its stuck in a dying state
[21:21:35] <Tenju> kdavy_: You have a moment?
[21:22:00] <Rienzilla> [root@mezzomix ~]# /opt/xensource/debug/xenops destroy_domain -domid 110
[21:22:00] <Rienzilla> Fatal error: exception Domain.Domain_stuck_in_dying_state(110)
[21:23:15] <Rienzilla> ah
[21:23:26] <Rienzilla> xenops hard_shutdown_domains -poweroff seems to work
[21:23:31] <Rienzilla> oh no
[21:23:39] <Rienzilla> it doesnt error, but the domain is still there
[21:26:28] <jduggan> :(
[21:26:40] <Rienzilla> apparently this is a bug in xenserver/xapi
[21:27:11] <jduggan> looks like it
[21:27:44] <jduggan> ive never had it so bad that destroy_domain doesnt work
[21:28:35] <kreign> "build me some fast redundant storage for $5k"
[21:28:52] <Rienzilla> well
[21:28:54] <Rienzilla> the thing is
[21:28:57] <jduggan> who said that?
[21:29:02] <kreign> jduggan, me? my boss.
[21:29:05] <Rienzilla> the domain is gone
[21:29:35] <jduggan> kreign: i think you could have one or the other but not both :)
[21:29:43] <Rienzilla> it's not running anymore. So it's just xapi that has it somewhere in his database and thinks it should disappear
[21:29:43] <jduggan> kreign: and not much space
[21:30:01] <jduggan> so its not listed in list_domains?
[21:30:05] <jduggan> or it is?
[21:30:42] <Rienzilla> it is
[21:30:50] <Rienzilla> but I can't find a process associated with it
[21:31:10] <jduggan> take it xe vm-reset-powerstate doesnt help ?
[21:33:34] <Rienzilla> nope
[21:33:49] <Rienzilla> (xe doesn't do much without xapi running anyway :))
[21:38:22] <kreign> jduggan, which is precisely the problem.
[21:38:37] <kreign> jduggan, I could do it with about 9k.
[21:38:43] <kreign> within what's needed
[21:38:46] <kreign> this is going to be 'just enough'
[21:38:49] <kreign> maybe.
[21:38:57] <kreign> 'with room to grow' was one of the requirements as well.
[21:40:07] <kreign> i'm used to shoe stringing it.
[21:40:20] <kreign> and I guess his requirements are somewhat... lower... when thinking of those terms than mine.
[21:42:04] <Rienzilla> dammit :/
[21:58:41] <Rienzilla> hmm
[21:58:57] <Rienzilla> apparently there is some processes waiting for I/O (state D) which seem to be related
[21:59:41] <Rienzilla> maybe I could kill those?
[22:01:01] <jduggan> try it
[22:02:06] <Rienzilla> ok
[22:02:10] <Rienzilla> what are these: 18838 ?        S<     4:04 [xb.00052.xvda]
[22:02:39] <Rienzilla> (I have a 2815 ?        D<     0:00 [xb.00110.xvdb], which is in wait for I/O, and has the domain id of the dead domain)
[22:03:57] <jduggan> non idea
[22:09:33] <kreign> Rienzilla, huh
[22:09:44] <kreign> Rienzilla, the guest is dead?
[22:10:26] <Rienzilla> yes
[22:10:30] <Rienzilla> it has been all along
[22:11:16] <kreign> Rienzilla, D is "dead", not wait
[22:11:27] <Rienzilla> X is dead iirc
[22:11:53] <Rienzilla> D D
[22:11:54] <Rienzilla> Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)
[22:12:14] <Rienzilla> which makes sense, because an underlying NFS server disappeared)
[22:12:41] <kreign> Rienzilla, ok, so what's the perceived problem? parent process/VM is dead/not running but the disk appears to still be in iowait
[22:12:48] <kreign> oh
[22:13:05] <kreign> Rienzilla, umount -f /mount/point
[22:13:07] <kreign> maybe.
[22:13:10] <Rienzilla> tried that
[22:13:28] <kreign> it's that kludge of management stuff citrix threw together I'll bet
[22:13:58] <kreign> and i take it you tried to umount the actual storage repository as well, eh
[22:13:59] <kreign> not just the nfs
[22:14:16] <Rienzilla> yeah that just hangs
[22:14:25] <kreign> restart the VM host?
[22:14:54] <Rienzilla> yeah that will probably work, but it'll take 20 vm's with it :(
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[22:23:58] <kreign> Rienzilla, call citrix support? or schedule a downtime? I'm not familiar with the error/problem and it does seem to be significant.
[22:26:07] <gblfxt> how do you all disable Public access in win2008?
[22:28:17] <kreign> gblfxt, what do you mean by 'public access'?
[22:28:24] <kreign> unplugging the ethernet is a good first step?
[22:28:33] <kreign> locking doors is another good step.
[22:28:51] <Rienzilla> yeah well, rebooting will probably fix this
[22:29:18] <Rienzilla> but I find it sort of ridiculous that one VM losing the connection to its cd-drive means that I have to reboot the entire vm host :(
[22:29:52] <gblfxt> kreign, when people save a file, it chooses to save to the Public folder first, which is retarded
[22:31:04] <gblfxt> kaffien, especially since the next time they log on, it will probably be a different server, and we dont backup app servers, just file servers
[22:31:32] <gblfxt> oops, tab got away from me
[22:32:13] <kreign> gblfxt, oh. there should be a way to disable that through AD GPO extensions.
[22:32:44] <kreign> Rienzilla, ohhh
[22:32:59] <kreign> Rienzilla, look through xe to see if you can unplug the vbd
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[22:34:27] <Rienzilla> I can't.
[22:34:53] <Rienzilla> I tried all that stuff, and it all keeps hanging on communication with the nfs server
[22:35:42] <kreign> Rienzilla, any way you can get the nfs server back?
[22:35:46] <kreign> or 'fake it'?
[22:36:04] <kreign> nfs mount shouldn't take but 20 seconds to setup
[22:36:13] <jduggan> i think there is/was a bug with cd drives causing issues
[22:36:24] <jduggan> i seem to recall kdavy hit it
[22:36:28] <jduggan> but might be wrong
[22:36:33] <Rienzilla> well
[22:36:37] <Rienzilla> the nfs server _is_ back
[22:36:57] <Rienzilla> but its contents have changed
[22:36:59] <kreign> jduggan, no i think you're right. i seem to recall something about this, but i can't recall the 'fix'. kdavy probably knows.
[22:37:14] <kreign> or tabularasa
[22:37:19] <kreign> iirc it's an easy-ish fix.
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[22:50:13] <gblfxt> kreign, from what i read, there is no gpo for that... :(
[23:02:45] <kreign> gblfxt, huh. I'm not a windows admin so I couldn't rightly say.
[23:03:03] <kdavy_> hm. Seagate announced the new 2.5" Savvio 10k.5
[23:03:11] <kdavy_> now up to 900Gb per drive
[23:03:54] <kdavy_> that's 21.6T in 2U or 64.8T in 4U, not bad at all
[23:06:35] <Rienzilla> bweh this sucks monkeyballs
[23:06:51] <Rienzilla> I think I have no choice but to reboot the freaking host :(
[23:07:23] <kreign> kdavy, hmm
[23:07:27] <jduggan> cant you migrate the running hosts?
[23:07:31] <kreign> kdavy, wonder what the price tag will big.
[23:09:43] <kreign> "be"
[23:09:59] <Rienzilla> jduggan: it's not in a pool (and, without xapi, no)
[23:13:12] <kdavy_> kreign, probably $600-ish per drive, i dont see it being more expensive per gig than the 600gb model
[23:13:31] <kreign> kdavy, hopefully not.
[23:13:51] <kdavy_> so i have a new monitor arrangement at work - 3 22" 1080p screens in portrait mode
[23:13:57] <kdavy_> looks sweet
[23:14:06] <kdavy_> almost like a big LCD TV
[23:14:40] <kreign> huh
[23:14:49] <kdavy_> XenApp works surprisingly well with that resolution too - 3220x1920
[23:14:53] <kreign> I don't know that that would work for me.
[23:15:23] <kdavy_> howcome?
[23:15:42] <kdavy_> *3240x1920
[23:15:44] <kreign> the visual "shift" from one display to another bothers me.
[23:16:04] <kdavy_> kreign, that's why you keep different stuff on each
[23:17:01] <kreign> I wouldn't gain all that much from it.
[23:17:16] <jduggan> i cant work without multiple monitors
[23:17:20] <jduggan> its so inefficient
[23:17:32] <kdavy_> yeah, 3 monitors is the sweet spot for me i think
[23:17:48] <kdavy_> and having all of them widescreen and in landscape is just wayyy too wide
[23:17:51] <kreign> I use the 'awesome' window manager
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[23:17:59] <jduggan> which is?
[23:18:15] <kreign> ... which allows me to have different layouts on different 'tags', sometimes duplicating windows to different tags
[23:18:17] <jduggan> i like referencing text/data on one screen while working in another
[23:18:24] <kreign> I use caplock as a 'meta'
[23:18:37] <kreign> shifting tags is caps+{1..8}
[23:18:47] <jduggan> its still not efficient
[23:18:57] <jduggan> say i need to reference a pdf while writing an email
[23:18:58] <kreign> heh
[23:19:04] <jduggan> shifting between both windows
[23:19:08] <kreign> nope not efficient
[23:19:13] <jduggan> is not as efficient as full screen on each box
[23:19:14] <kreign> so put them on the same tag, size/size
[23:19:16] <jduggan> s/box/screen/
[23:19:30] <kreign> each 'tag'/virtual desktop/whatever you want to call it is a 'task' for me.
[23:19:42] <kreign> so i'll have the pdf and email tiled
[23:20:25] <kreign> common setup for me is 4-6 terminals tiled, a web browser/reference and two terminals, or a seamless VM + other stuff
[23:20:30] <kreign> setups
[23:21:26] <kreign> hmm speaking of setups, anyone know if there was ever a 2x port intel ethernet gigE card with pcie x1?
[23:21:53] <kdavy_> common setup for me is, 1 screen for the XenApp published desktop with work apps (email+ticketing system mostly), 1 for local stuff (web browser, IRC), 1 for a full-screen RDP session to my management server
[23:22:34] <kdavy_> each screen then has its own start menu and everything, very convenient
[23:22:46] <kdavy_> like having 3 computers side by side
[23:25:23] <kreign> yeah
[23:25:35] <kreign> I'll have a couple tags with just RDP sessions or VMs on them
[23:27:16] <kreign> I can see the appeal
[23:27:24] <kreign> but then I'd have to preference a mouse, I think
[23:27:30] <kreign> I don't currently use one (much)
[23:27:37] <kreign> just use the integrated touchpoint on my keyboard
[23:28:12] <kreign> kdavy, here's a question for you... does a single pcie lane have enough throughput for a dual-port gigE card?
[23:28:21] <kdavy_> kreign, yea definitely
[23:28:35] <kreign> kdavy, 250Mbyte/lane IIRC
[23:28:42] <kreign> just trying to recall how much, if any, overhead there is.
[23:29:11] <kdavy_> that's assuming you have PCIe v1
[23:29:28] <kdavy_> v2 has 500MB per lane
[23:29:43] <kreign> kdavy, yeah but there are still boards with the pciE x1 slots.
[23:29:51] <kdavy_> i know
[23:29:57] <kreign> kdavy, which I seem to recall only operate at v1 rates
[23:30:01] <kreign> but i may be mistaken
[23:30:07] <kreign> at any rate, it should be Enough
[23:30:10] <kreign> the question now is
[23:30:34] <kreign> where can I find a pcie x1/v1 dual port intel gigE card...
[23:31:42] <kdavy_> intel - no idea
[23:31:43] <kdavy_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833114035
[23:32:14] <kreign> kdavy, heh that's... probably not going to work.
[23:32:16] <kdavy_> has intel ever made an x1 dual port?
[23:32:43] <kreign> not sure. I really don't think they did.
[23:33:51] <kdavy_> in theory i think you should be able to take an x4 card and file down the connector to x1 size, since lane width in PCIe is auto-negotiated
[23:34:06] <kdavy_> but you might wanna try that on something cheap first :)
[23:34:07] <kreign> kdavy, LOL
[23:34:35] <kdavy_> i have a Dremel for this sorta things :-P
[23:34:45] <kdavy_> though i've never tried it
[23:35:42] <kdavy_> yeah, it will work. just like this adapter - http://www.orbitmicro.com/global/pexp4-sx-4-1-p-753.html - it has no logic on it whatsoever
[23:36:34] <kreign> kdavy, lol that's ghetto.
[23:36:50] <kdavy_> kreign, who gives a fuck if it gets the job done?
[23:37:02] <kreign> kdavy, oh, not me. :)
[23:37:08] <kdavy_> i know :)
[23:37:08] <kreign> that was not a dis per se
[23:37:27] <kreign> I think i've actually put a pcie x4 in an x1 slot before, come to think of it.
[23:37:31] <kreign> it was a bit uh snug
[23:37:39] <kreign> but it worked.
[23:38:04] <kdavy_> oh, yeah, easier than cutting the card, you can just cut out the rear portion of the actual slot - same thing
[23:38:19] <kdavy_> less chance of damage to the PCB
[23:39:05] <kreign> kdavy, the slot was kinda flimsy and the card pinched over just fine, iirc
[23:39:17] <kreign> seem to recall doign similar things with ISA and EISA back in the day.
[23:39:35] <kdavy_> yeah
[23:41:22] <kreign> those pcie riser cards for the AOC supermicro cards are a bitch to find.
[23:41:38] <kdavy_> have you checked at wiredzone?
[23:43:19] <kreign> not indepth.
[23:43:28] <kreign> not 100% sure what I'm looking for.





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