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[05:38:33] <caimlas> kdavy, ever hear the term 'onboarding'?
[05:38:39] <caimlas> wrt usrs
[05:38:49] <caimlas> er, users
[05:43:13] <kdavy> onboarding?
[05:48:24] <caimlas> kdavy, yeah, never heard it? I think it pertains to user training/bringing them onboard...
[05:48:33] <caimlas> it's a term evidently used in cali
[05:48:36] <caimlas> I've never heard it.
[05:48:38] <kdavy> no, don't think i have
[05:48:46] <caimlas> "participant outboarding"
[05:48:50] <caimlas> "member outboarding"
[05:49:18] <kdavy> customer onboarding?
[05:49:24] <kdavy> sounds like microspeak to me
[05:49:33] <caimlas> yeah.
[05:50:03] <caimlas> I don't think windows guys realize how incredibly... complex... a unix environment can get.
[05:51:20] <kdavy> probably not
[05:51:34] <caimlas> A relies upon B which runs on C which requires A, as well as D, E, and F... F runs on E and E is ancient with G, which is no longer supported... all because X was an asshole
[05:51:50] <caimlas> I tried to draw out a picture for my boss a while ago of a single host on the network
[05:51:56] <caimlas> a functional diagram
[05:52:08] <caimlas> completely filled a 5x8 white board
[05:52:27] <kdavy> heh
[05:52:29] <caimlas> and tacked some smaller pieces of paper to illustrate use cases/user interaction
[05:52:38] <kdavy> now try a network of 100 hosts
[05:52:39] <caimlas> he came in "so this is the unix network?"
[05:52:45] <caimlas> "no this is the one host I'm trying to break down"
[05:53:03] <caimlas> mind you this is just the user-impacting service shit.
[05:53:21] <caimlas> his eyes got wide; "well this looks quite complete. jsut keep at it"
[05:53:28] <kdavy> ok my unix environment is impacting its user right now
[05:53:34] <caimlas> "this is about half done; i'll let you know when I'm finished if you'd like"
[05:53:36] <kdavy> mac is freezing
[05:53:43] <caimlas> lol
[05:54:14] <caimlas> kdavy, I've found that a 100-host network is somewhat less of a charlie foxtrot because it's literally impossible for a single guy to maintain it all and keep it at disarray
[05:54:25] <caimlas> kdavy, 10-40 is a danger zone
[05:54:37] <caimlas> and by host i mean server
[05:54:40] <caimlas> because nothing else matters
[05:55:05] <caimlas> mac, pc, thin client, teletype... whatever... all unimportant. :
[05:55:06] <caimlas> :)
[05:55:24] <kdavy> uhh why would remote desktop connection take 54 hours of CPU time?
[05:55:44] <kdavy> even Firefox only had 24 hours logged, and it's been open for like a month
[05:55:53] <caimlas> kdavy, from a mac?
[05:55:57] <kdavy> yes
[05:56:03] <caimlas> that's the client?
[05:56:07] <kdavy> yes
[05:56:16] <caimlas> no - the application
[05:56:24] <caimlas> i wasn't aware that macs had an rdp app
[05:56:33] <caimlas> how long has the rdp connection been up?
[05:56:35] <kdavy> they do, it's made by Microsoft
[05:56:39] <caimlas> huh.
[05:56:53] <kdavy> rdp connection has been up for 290 hours
[05:57:02] <caimlas> kdavy, I'm going to guess that the drawing mechanisms are fairly poorly written
[05:57:08] <kdavy> probably
[05:57:14] <caimlas> that sounds tenable.
[05:58:18] <caimlas> kdavy, short of an observable perf issue
[05:58:38] <caimlas> kdavy, I'd highly suspect it's somethign best left alone else it become an obsession and leave the problem to someone else
[05:58:40] <caimlas> :P
[05:58:45] <kdavy> ok, firefox was the culprit with whatever disk i/o it was doing
[05:58:49] <caimlas> probably nothing you'd find useful short of a debugger
[05:58:54] <caimlas> kdavy, yeah :|
[05:59:00] <caimlas> i hate ff
[05:59:04] <caimlas> or haave for the past year or so
[05:59:08] <caimlas> it's cache is horribly implemented
[05:59:18] <kdavy> now back to google earth and japan satellite images
[05:59:23] <caimlas> :|
[05:59:26] <caimlas> it has recent ones?
[05:59:39] <kdavy> i'm counting boats that are in places they shouldn't be
[05:59:49] <caimlas> huh.
[05:59:54] <caimlas> kdavy, like land?
[05:59:59] <kdavy> yeah, google released a post-earthquake .kml file with new images
[06:00:02] <caimlas> kdavy, presumably you're drinking
[06:00:07] <caimlas> kdavy, here's one for you
[06:00:10] <kdavy> yes, like on streets, stuck in houses, etc
[06:00:13] <caimlas> kdavy, this completely "made my fucking week"
[06:00:27] <caimlas> like, in a negative "it completes me" sense - pass the fucking whiskey
[06:01:36] <caimlas> kdavy, so, I replace the shocks on my van today, right? should be relatively trivial, except they were ancient and the bolts were rust ceized (tho strangely still integral)
[06:01:48] <kdavy> yeah
[06:01:50] <caimlas> found out whoever did the shocks last did a poooor job and the mounts were torqued the fuck up
[06:02:01] <caimlas> so that whole thing took about 4 hours, when it should've maybe taken two
[06:02:17] <caimlas> ended up taking the wheels off (never did that before for this) for better leverage
[06:02:19] <caimlas> just the front shocks
[06:02:48] <kdavy> that sucks
[06:02:55] <caimlas> oh I'm not done
[06:03:18] <caimlas> I replaced front brake pads + discs on the last weekend of February
[06:03:46] <caimlas> so I'm getting the 2nd tire back on, tightening up the (8) lug nuts, and suddenly it becomes very, very easy to turn the lug nut
[06:04:03] <caimlas> peachy: the lug was free floating. :|
[06:04:09] <caimlas> on a brand new (NAPA) disc
[06:04:15] <caimlas> couldn't back the nut out
[06:04:37] <caimlas> well, had to get on the road (was at my FIL's) and I could do without 1 lug, I'd take it up with napa, so I finished up
[06:04:38] <caimlas> or tried to
[06:05:09] <caimlas> the next lug, likewise, lost its purchase, and I couldn't back the nut off to take the tire off and try to push the lug back in with a press
[06:05:18] <caimlas> brand fucking new
[06:05:27] <caimlas> fewer than 400 or so miles on the discs
[06:05:53] <caimlas> i had to get a cab
[06:05:55] <caimlas> to get home
[06:06:03] <caimlas> (FIL has a large garage and was not home)
[06:07:08] <kdavy> ouch
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[14:49:14] <Vachaun22_AtWrk> running xenserver 5.6 and just converted physical W2k SP4 to VM, however I'm unable to install xentools saying that it's not compatible with that version of windows?
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[21:53:01] <lesrar> hey i installed a windows 7 home standard guest because i wanted to misuse my servers cpu a bit
[21:53:39] <lesrar> i dedicated 6vcores to it, and i can see this 6 cpus in the hardware manager, but the taskmanager only shows one cpu and when i run my testprograms they say me the system has only one cpu
[21:54:30] <kdavy> lesrar, windows 7 home cannot see more than one physical cpu, it is a licensing limitation
[21:54:49] <kdavy> and due to how xenserver works, every vCore is presented to the guest as a separate CPU
[21:54:53] <lesrar> ohh, damn i though something like that allready, but now its clear, thanks kdavy
[21:55:04] <lesrar> i just install a different version then
[21:55:18] <kdavy> there is a way to make them appear as multiple cores of the same CPU to the guest os, but only on paid versions of XenServer
[21:55:32] <kdavy> has to be done from command line
[21:56:06] <lesrar> the system runs on free license, and iam allready in the process of installing a business windows 7 now :)
[21:56:33] <kdavy> lesrar, yeah, with free xenserver using win7 business/professional/enterprise/ultimate is your solution
[21:57:05] <lesrar> i just need the cpu power for some days to retrieve some rc4 hashes ...
[21:57:37] <lesrar> and reinstalling the system and tools will take me about 10-15min
[21:58:02] <lesrar> thanks for your help :)
[21:58:13] <kdavy> no problem :)
[21:58:59] <kdavy> out of curiosity, why are you using XenServer Free? If you have a single server and no shared storage, ESXi will work much better
[21:59:19] <kdavy> unless you don't have compatible hardware for ESXi of course
[22:00:18] <lesrar> i use xenserver free because i had to get comfortable with it when going into production with advanced license
[22:00:34] <kdavy> oh ok, makes sense then
[22:01:56] <lesrar> and when i made the decision to go with citrix xen advanced instead of vmware vsphere ( mainly because of costs per node and citrix xen gives me enough functionality ) i started to exchange alot of esxi servers ( i just set up some months before ) against free xenservers to see how they compete against each other
[22:02:09] <lesrar> and why will it work much better ?
[22:02:40] <lesrar> i seen not much performance difference with middle class server hardware, i heard alot about esxi being better with stuff that costs a shitload :D
[22:03:10] <lesrar> for example i heard about a 200mbyte/s link limit for each vm in citrix xen
[22:03:10] <kdavy> esxi handles RAM much more efficiently
[22:03:35] <kdavy> very good for when you have a low workload in each VM and need to maximize VM density
[22:03:44] <lesrar> because of overcommitment
[22:03:48] <lesrar> yeah i got that
[22:03:57] <kdavy> Xen on the other hand is better for high-power VMs
[22:05:05] <kdavy> i use ESXi for random stuff - dedicated VMs that host a single layer of a business app, things like Live Communication Server, Blackberry Enterprise, IIS, front-end Exchange nodes, etc
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[22:05:36] <lesrar> i can just tell you about the workload i had on esxi and similiar suited xen machines ( small windows servers running java application servers, postgre sql db and some encrypt/decrypt stuff )
[22:05:40] <kdavy> Kaspersky Management server
[22:05:53] <lesrar> and i experienced nearly no difference in performance on both systems
[22:06:19] <kdavy> yeah, in that case it'll be about the same, but with Xen you'll hit the RAM ceiling faster
[22:06:22] <lesrar> only thing that is abit different is management speed ( the citrix vnc console is awefull slow against the vmware one )
[22:06:56] <lesrar> ram was allways something i had to buy more since xen :D
[22:07:26] <kdavy> lesrar, speaking of management speed. i just set up a new management server on Win2k8 R2 SP1, with RemoteFX enabled - the speed of both citrix vnc and vmware consoles improved by a factor of 10 subjectively
[22:07:46] <kdavy> versus RDP
[22:08:39] * lesrar puts remotefx on his todo list
[22:09:48] <kdavy> you'll need a lot of bandwidth between the management server and your client though - 5Mbps for it to really count, and the client will need to be running Win7 SP1 as well
[22:10:08] <kdavy> in my case i have 30Mbps to the colo site, so that works well
[22:11:11] <lesrar> but it still sounds like a protocol that could be used for virtual workstations ( even if they are in the lan )
[22:11:37] <lesrar> i wanna have virtual workstations at some point in my life, running programs like photoshop and games on it :D
[22:11:38] <kdavy> yes, RemoteFX is actually designed for LAN
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[22:12:03] <lesrar> then just logoff, go home, connect through 50mbit to it again
[22:12:17] <kdavy> it essentially does full-screen video encoding, as opposed to GDI sprites in RDP and Citrix ICA
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[22:41:48] <lesrar> meh lol and now windows professional does recognize two of the core cores :/
[22:41:53] <lesrar> 8*
[22:42:10] <kdavy> might be another licensing limitation...
[22:42:16] * lesrar goes to install win 2008 ...
[22:42:37] <lesrar> yeah one sockel in home, two sockels in professional and ultimate i just found
[22:42:46] <kdavy> makes sense
[22:43:19] <kdavy> anyone who runs a 2+ socket physical system should be able to afford windows server enterprise
[22:44:38] <lesrar> yeah, the system has only 2+ sockels at all, its just the virtualisation that makes that :D
[22:51:33] <lesrar> this time i checked it before, i even need the enterprise version of windows server 2008 for 8 sockels
[22:51:55] <lesrar> standard would recognize only 4 again
[22:52:27] <kdavy> if you have SPLA it makes life much easier :) the reporting is very flexible
[22:54:31] <lesrar> i would have been faster just installing 4 vms with windows 7 and distributing the work haha
[22:55:08] <lesrar> iam normally no windows guy, just the software i use has no linux agent :/
[22:55:08] <kdavy> what kinda work do you need to distribute again?
[22:55:17] <lesrar> bruteforcing rc4 hashes
[22:55:21] <kdavy> oh
[22:55:34] <kdavy> i'd just use CUDA
[22:56:12] <kdavy> a single recent GPU can bruteforce at 100x the speed of a CPU
[22:56:40] <lesrar> yeah i know that, but there is no software for 128 bit rc4 hash bruteforcing with cuda over several systems that i know ;)
[22:58:01] <kdavy> lesrar, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table
[22:58:20] <lesrar> and before i start to use single threaded experimental stuff on one system ( that most likely crashs after 12hours ... ) i just create a small cluster to break it
[22:58:40] <lesrar> iam allready in good speed with 2 systems, but i want to add that 8 core beast :D
[22:58:57] <kdavy> you can download pre-computed hashes for lower-complexity passwords to significantly speed up processing
[22:59:19] <lesrar> i know parts about the password, and it isnt lower complexity :D
[23:00:01] <kdavy> ok, if it's a high-complexity password, you're be better off utilizing thermorectal cryptoanalysis techniques
[23:00:20] <lesrar> just use everything you have on hardware and will be fine :)
[23:00:33] <lesrar> probably even ask friends to install my agent ^^
[23:00:40] <kdavy> but what i suggested is much faster!
[23:00:57] <lesrar> but probably hurts much
[23:01:06] <kdavy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis
[23:01:24] <kdavy> it doesn't hurt you, only your victim
[23:01:31] <lesrar> it would be me :/
[23:01:43] <kdavy> oh
[23:01:44] <kdavy> lol
[23:01:48] <lesrar> yes oh lol
[23:02:22] <lesrar> stupid german keyboard layouts fucked up everything over remote connection on a linux machine where i created that pdf ...
[23:02:57] <kdavy> ah, german layouts are annoying. the swapped z and y, for one
[23:03:08] <lesrar> like i said i know 'parts' of the password, if not the whole password
[23:03:19] <lesrar> just not what the machine recognized
[23:03:59] <lesrar> and i probably have it in 4-5 days :D
[23:04:44] <lesrar> iam really excited about doing this now, is a nice doing something different instead of all the server crap i do normally
[23:05:37] <lesrar> and really how stupid could i be, using 128bit rc4 instead of 256bit ...
[23:05:50] <lesrar> 256bit could have been easy cracked with cuda
[23:06:05] <lesrar> i think 256bit aes it was
[23:06:26] <kdavy> uhh, the smaller the hash, the easier it is to crash
[23:06:28] <kdavy> *crack
[23:06:43] <lesrar> yeah i thought so before, too
[23:20:37] <lesrar> ok this looks good, now one vm has the same as two quad workstations :D
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