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[01:04:22] <gblfxt> what do people use to measure the quality of the connection from citrix client to xenapp?
[01:06:13] <kdavy_> gblfxt, i use the WMI statistics of ICA protocol - you can add them to Delivery Services console
[01:06:29] <kdavy_> ICA Session Latency, ICA Output bandwidth and ICA Input bandwidth
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[01:06:56] <gblfxt> kdavy, ah, cool! thanks, ill look at those!
[01:07:23] <kdavy_> there is tons of useful info in WMI
[01:07:30] <kdavy_> no problem
[01:09:10] <gblfxt> yes, WMI is nice, i didnt even think about ICA supporting it
[01:09:50] <kdavy_> lmao. dumbest thing i read today: "In central Tokyo, a number of office workers have spent the night in their offices because the lifts stopped working."
[01:10:02] <kdavy_> they don't have stairs?
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[01:10:32] <gblfxt> hey, it didnt say ALL spent the night? :P
[01:10:51] <kdavy_> no, it didnt, that's true
[01:13:12] <gblfxt> our internet provider has been having consistency issues, so now i got to gather info to prove its their fault... :(
[01:13:28] <kdavy_> that's not fun
[01:14:03] <kdavy_> oh, FYI - the WMI statistics of the ICA protocol are only kept in Delivery Services console while the user is logged in. as soon as the session is gone, they're gone as well
[01:14:29] <gblfxt> yes, its not even for everyone, a couple days ago, it was just 1/2 our comcast users, then today it was just east coast users
[01:14:54] <kdavy_> i can recommend using perfmon to record them to a CSV file in real time, so it can be processed later. then, it's your choice of Excel, Matlab, R, or whatever else you like
[01:15:48] <gblfxt> we use zabbix for monitoring, ill just have it query the wmi
[01:16:04] <kdavy_> i have a separate analytics server running MatLab for this kinda stuff - it's great but obviously requires a lot of setup since Matlab is a generic math analysis tool
[01:17:18] <gblfxt> yes, i havnt been working at my location to have a chance to set up network analytics, but eventully definitely want that in... :)
[01:18:48] <gblfxt> right now im just happy collecting all the data in a sql db for later analysis
[01:19:51] <kdavy_> there isn't gonna be any later analysis :-P you either analyze data in real or near-real time or it's useless for operations
[01:20:06] <kdavy_> for trending, yes, but that's different
[01:21:07] <gblfxt> yes for trending, determing when something is going to happen vs. what has already happened
[01:22:20] <gblfxt> i hate reacting to things, i would rather be proactive, fixing possible future problems, not fixing current problems, i've found it prevents alot of issues
[01:22:47] <kdavy_> indeed
[01:42:46] <kdavy_> hm, another japan comment. there's good engineering, outstanding engineering and stillstanding engineering, the latter being the highest tier of engineering
[01:48:45] <caimlas__> omg what a week.
[01:49:02] <caimlas__> kdavy, I like standstill engineering. :)
[01:49:03] <kdavy_> caimlas__, i agree
[01:49:08] <gblfxt> well, not many other countries could weather an 8.9 like japan could
[01:49:12] <caimlas__> kdavy, about the wk or eng?
[01:49:20] <kdavy_> week
[01:49:23] <caimlas__> gblfxt, no kidding
[01:49:27] <caimlas__> kdavy, lots of fire fighting?
[01:49:41] <caimlas__> I hate firefighting
[01:49:42] <kdavy_> no, lots of new projects
[01:49:46] <caimlas__> I love projects
[01:49:49] <caimlas__> those weeks are great
[01:50:00] <caimlas__> my problem is i typically have to juggle them both
[01:50:27] <kdavy_> yea, and the problem with that is, distractions kill productivity
[01:52:03] <caimlas__> kdavy, fwiw... I did eventually get samba to do its job starting at 1pm today... decided to throw the old method to the wolves and do samba how I knew it'd work... ended up having to compile it three times (v3.5, v3.4, and then the latest from the samba site) to get the damn thing to work as it's supposed to... I tell ya... fbsd is a pain. :|
[01:52:32] <kdavy_> lol. no doubt
[01:53:02] <caimlas__> kdavy, and yes, distractions decimate productivity. my boss lives by a double standard in that regard. I don't talk to him most cases unless I have to or he initiates because he gets really irritable if interrupted... though, he's no issue with interrupting me. :|
[01:53:21] <caimlas__> ones I hate the most "come here for a second, I need your eyes on something"
[01:53:26] <caimlas__> ... 2 hours later ...
[01:53:26] <kdavy_> well, to his defense, he is the boss
[01:53:31] <caimlas__> right.
[01:53:44] <caimlas__> kdavy, but then there's the "why is this not done yet"
[01:54:25] <caimlas__> ... well, there's the two hour interruption this morning, the half an hour disruption right before lunch, and the hour long disruption at 1... you tell me.
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[01:55:35] <kdavy_> caimlas__, does "sorry i can't right now, i'm in the middle of something" not count? always works for me unless it's something super-critical
[01:56:09] <caimlas> wonder why the japs aren't using pebble reactors: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/03/cooling-fails-at-3-reactors-at-another-japanese-nuke-plant/1
[01:56:17] <caimlas> kdavy, nope.
[01:57:05] <kdavy_> well then. JarianGibson tweeted about a network engineer position in DFW - might wanna check into that
[01:58:20] <caimlas> kdavy_, never mind that once concentration is broken, the interruption is complete.
[01:58:39] <caimlas> kdavy, network engineer, ie "cisco"?
[01:58:50] <kdavy_> noise-cancelling headphones work pretty well
[01:59:03] <kdavy_> no idea, network engineer could mean anything
[01:59:41] <kdavy_> position is with http://www.choicesolutions.com/
[02:00:56] <kdavy_> as far as i remember that's where Jarian works anyway, makes sense since the HQ is in Kansas
[02:04:42] <caimlas> kdavy, an interesting idea.
[02:04:53] <caimlas> kdavy, I've actually got an offer on my voicemail to move to cali for $120k
[02:05:11] <caimlas> I don't want to live in cali.
[02:05:14] <caimlas> so...
[02:05:44] <kdavy_> lol. my wife wants to move to cali once she graduates college. i refuse
[02:05:47] <caimlas> lots of complications... wife + kids + stupid government + house with firstt-time homebuyer credit + extended family
[02:06:14] <kdavy_> fuck that reminds me, i still need to do the stupid first time homebuyer credit paperwork
[02:06:25] <kdavy_> i havent even done my taxes for this year yet
[02:06:27] <caimlas> kdavy, the only saving grace is my best friend (went to a boarding school together for a year during high school) works for the company and the two of us work very well together. (that's why I've got the offer)
[02:06:55] <caimlas> but I'd have to live within ground zero of San Francisco
[02:07:15] <caimlas> and I'm not doing that without things which are illegal there.
[02:07:19] <kdavy_> caimlas, oh shit you'd have to get a prius then. unacceptable
[02:07:24] <caimlas> (because I'm a redneck, I s'pose)
[02:07:30] <caimlas> kdavy, heh
[02:08:02] <caimlas> kdavy, my friend drives an M1009 cucv with its original colors
[02:09:06] <kdavy_> i didnt even know what M1009 was until i googled it
[02:09:12] <caimlas> said he had a small asian lady come up to him at one of the yuppy biodiesel stations the other day screaming at him about how he was going to kill them all by idling his truck while going inside
[02:09:16] <caimlas> he asked her for a smoke
[02:09:28] <kdavy_> lol
[02:09:36] <caimlas> he's also somewhat... large
[02:09:44] <caimlas> 6'5" and maybe 230
[02:09:45] <caimlas> lb
[02:09:51] <caimlas> (not fat)
[02:10:39] <caimlas> at any rate
[02:10:41] <kdavy_> at 6'5" 230lbs is nothing
[02:10:42] <caimlas> cali is not appealing.
[02:10:59] <caimlas> kdavy, yeah I have no idea how much he weighs, just guessing
[02:11:00] <kdavy_> what about TX? if you're a redneck, as you say, it's perfect
[02:11:04] <caimlas> kdavy, he's muscular.
[02:11:13] <caimlas> kdavy, you've talked with me.
[02:11:22] <caimlas> kdavy, you know I'm not quite that much of a redneck :P
[02:11:53] <caimlas> what I'm looking for right now is somewhere that I can work for, say, 9 months of the year
[02:12:02] <caimlas> and then come home for 2 months during the summer, a month during the winter
[02:12:31] <caimlas> and given my proclivity I suspect 60/h weeks would happen regularly, if that's what they wanted
[02:13:44] <kdavy_> no i know i've talked yo you :) i was referring to your comment from earlier
[02:14:04] <caimlas> yeah.
[02:14:07] <caimlas> I love this quote:
[02:14:08] <caimlas> "The equipment among the most vital to our success in Africa and Europe were the bulldozer, the jeep, the 2 1/2 ton truck, and the C-47 airplane. Curiously enough, none of these is designed for combat."
[02:14:28] <caimlas> somewhat pertains to the domain of infotech t
[02:14:30] <caimlas> ... too
[02:15:00] <kdavy_> yea. and Microsoft
[02:15:04] <caimlas> "infrastructural tools"
[02:15:15] <caimlas> hah you having a hard time w/ MS lately?
[02:15:26] <kdavy_> i'm always having a hard time with MS
[02:15:34] <caimlas> huh
[02:15:41] <caimlas> how so?
[02:15:53] <caimlas> personally, I think MS has come a looooong way in the last 2-3 years
[02:16:10] <caimlas> short of oddity w/ samba 4 I've not had a "problem" with microsoft in some time.
[02:16:14] <caimlas> (personally)
[02:16:38] <caimlas> at least that I know of. this samba issue -may- have been related to AD, but I didn't get far enough to sniff the traffic...
[02:16:47] <kdavy_> no, i dont mind the technology, Windows is just annoying
[02:17:04] <kdavy_> and omnipresent
[02:21:46] <kdavy_> but what i hate most is the lack of reasonable logs. any *nix will throw a shitfest if something is wrong, which is exactly what i need
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[03:32:39] <caimlas> kdavy, amen.
[03:32:51] <caimlas> kdavy, well, sometimes. some logs are actually a bit too verbose.
[03:32:59] <caimlas> kdavy, eg. samba log level 2 isn't enough
[03:33:04] <caimlas> 3 is OMG TOO MUCH
[03:33:14] <caimlas> to the point of grep being useless
[03:55:04] <kdavy> never seen grep being useless
[03:55:07] <kdavy> :-P
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[06:32:04] <caimlas> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/11/03/11/2227243/Ask-Slashdot-Worst-Computer-Scene-In-TV-or-Movies#
[06:32:08] <caimlas> kdavy, metaphorically speaking
[06:33:05] <kdavy> ha
[06:34:08] <caimlas> kdavy, the only problem i have with grep (and vim) is that the 'online' nature of the tools have somewhat dulled my perl wizardry
[06:34:31] <caimlas> not that I'm particularly fond of 'wizardry' (comment yoru shit bitches!) but it makes writing the magic take longer.
[06:34:44] <kdavy> caimlas: i dont like grep because the name itself is meaningless
[06:34:57] <kdavy> i like cisco's | in and | begin much better
[06:35:09] <kdavy> especially | begin
[06:36:21] <kdavy> i'm sure there's a way to do the same with grep or a similar utility, but whatever
[06:36:36] <caimlas> kdavy, hmm
[06:36:41] <caimlas> kdavy, you started in the windows world?
[06:37:06] <caimlas> I've been chode deep in UNIX/Linux since 1997 or so
[06:37:11] <kdavy> caimlas: technically, DOS and ZX Spectrum when i was a kid
[06:37:21] <kdavy> but professionally, yes, windows
[06:37:26] <caimlas> kdavy, 'grep' means somethign to me, symantically/linguistically
[06:37:43] <caimlas> I don't even know what a ZX Spectrum is.
[06:38:17] <kdavy> Sinclair ZX-80 or Zx-81
[06:38:33] <caimlas> the only time i've really touched Windows since is when I've a) had to make a linux/unix/gnu/whatever system work with it, b) when I've been playing games, or c) when I've wanted to virtualize it/emulate it
[06:38:48] <caimlas> kdavy, yep, like I said... no Zx here.
[06:38:55] <caimlas> what kind of system was it/vintage?
[06:39:15] <caimlas> my first computer was technically an IBM Personal Portable Computer
[06:39:22] <caimlas> 50lb luggable
[06:39:29] <caimlas> had a really nice heavy canvas/leather bag
[06:39:50] <caimlas> built in 6"? or so green screen
[06:40:00] <caimlas> or was it green?
[06:40:28] <kdavy> it was in 1991, i was six years old and my parents got me a soviet clone of a ZX Spectrum that was in the form of a kit
[06:40:42] <kdavy> i.e. you had to solder and assemble it yourself
[06:41:29] <kdavy> and it didn't have a screen or any kind of a disk drive - you hooked it up to a TV and used cassette tapes to store data, assuming you got it to work in the first place
[06:42:02] <kdavy> amazingly enough, i got it working in a week (being six years old that's a bit of a challenge)
[06:43:20] <kdavy> the only thing i needed help with was with making a PAL to SECAM adapter so i could hook it up to the TV we had
[06:46:06] <caimlas> ahhh
[06:46:06] <kdavy> in hindsight, i don't think they expected me to ever get it working, and i have a feeling that this was revenge for me disassembling half of the electronics we had in the house out of boredom
[06:46:19] <caimlas> yeah you got a jump on things by almost a decade over me
[06:46:34] <caimlas> i don't think I even saw a computer that was more than a word processor until I was about 14
[06:46:55] <caimlas> that is impressive, though (getting it working in a wk)
[06:47:03] <caimlas> guessing you could read by that point, too?
[06:47:38] <kdavy> caimlas: yeah
[06:48:00] <caimlas> I take that back, I remember the Apple IIe's in 2nd grade w/ oregon trail and math munchers
[06:48:27] <caimlas> i was not a very dedicated child
[06:48:43] <kdavy> i was a very curious child, that
[06:48:47] <kdavy> 's for sure
[06:50:27] <caimlas> drinking too i see
[06:51:40] <kdavy> well, yes, but my irc client is freezing up as well. i need to reboot my machine at some point
[06:52:51] <kdavy> (i'm at home, i dont want to be bothered with computer issues here as well). plus i have better things to do than figure out why an old mac mini is being sluggish
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[06:59:45] <caimlas> http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theenvoy/20110311/ts_yblog_theenvoy/watch-raw-footage-of-the-japan-earthquake-and-tsunami
[07:00:09] <caimlas> kdavy, huh.
[07:00:17] <caimlas> kdavy, yeah I'm sorta the same way lately
[07:00:37] <caimlas> at home it's an excuse to upgrade/try something else/get new hardware
[07:01:11] <kdavy> there was another M6.8 aftershock in Japan just now, btw
[07:01:15] <caimlas> huh
[07:01:32] <caimlas> where was the epicenter?
[07:01:44] <caimlas> of the first
[07:01:56] <caimlas> didn't even really see anything about it other than "earthquake, japan'
[07:02:04] <caimlas> i'd kinda assumed it was relatively status quo
[07:02:16] <caimlas> recall my uncle (lived there for over a decade) mentioning 6+ quakes
[07:02:54] <kdavy> same area, off the coast of northeast Honshu
[07:04:43] <kdavy> i have a few friends in Tokyo, last i spoke to them they were tired of all the shaking and were starting a disaster movie drinking game marathon
[07:06:49] <caimlas> yeah
[07:07:52] <kdavy> but seriously, this one was big, 8.9M at the epicenter
[07:08:01] <caimlas> dyeah :|
[07:08:05] <caimlas> looking at the videos now
[07:08:22] <caimlas> if it had been further south, well...
[07:08:29] <caimlas> tokyo would've been fucked
[07:08:49] <caimlas> as it stands looks like it was the producing part of the country
[07:08:54] <caimlas> so, japan will be needing some food.
[07:09:07] <kdavy> tokyo suburbs, maybe. the larger buildings have some amazing engineering to keep them stable
[07:09:14] <caimlas> eh
[07:09:21] <caimlas> against a 7m tsunami?
[07:10:13] <kdavy> ya, a tsunami can't really do anything to hardened reinforced concrete
[07:10:54] <kdavy> the first couple floors of the large buildings would get dirty, that's about it. smaller buildings would get completely destroyed though
[07:11:21] <caimlas> depends on how deep the hardened concrete goes i suppose
[07:11:27] <caimlas> i was thinking of the back current
[07:11:30] <caimlas> not the impact
[07:11:41] <caimlas> back current + quaking
[07:11:45] <caimlas> probably not helpful
[07:11:50] <caimlas> but they're probably sunk into the bedrock
[07:12:30] <kdavy> well, soil liquification might be a bigger factor there. back current isn't as powerful as the impact
[07:12:39] <caimlas> hmm i'm glad my siblings left Japan
[07:13:09] <caimlas> they were in fokushima
[07:13:13] <caimlas> I think
[07:13:18] <caimlas> grew up there
[07:13:20] <caimlas> (half japanese)
[07:13:25] <caimlas> fuck not siblings, cousins
[07:15:58] <kdavy> well, every place on earth has a pretty similar probability of being destroyed by something. some are just more prepared than others
[07:16:49] <kdavy> caimlas: you're pretty screwed by the way, everyone knows that Yellowstone is gonna blow up any second now :-P
[07:17:11] <kdavy> at least according to the "scientific research"
[07:17:22] <caimlas> kdavy, that's fine. you can stay here and fucking suffer.
[07:17:26] <caimlas> i'll be dead.
[07:17:39] <caimlas> don't think I won't drink a lot of whiskey before i kick off though.
[07:17:50] <kdavy> outer rim of what? i don't follow
[07:17:59] <caimlas> south pacific
[07:18:13] <caimlas> 'quake warnings' all along there
[07:18:16] <caimlas> pacific rim
[07:18:28] <kdavy> and yeah, there'll be plenty of time to get trashed in any case
[07:18:42] <kdavy> ah, ok
[07:19:22] <caimlas> honestly it looks more favorable on some days than where things are likely going otherwise.
[07:19:38] <caimlas> I think they've been saying for a decades now that yellowstone is going
[07:21:53] <kdavy> lol ok, that's just the news. nothing to do with reality for the most part. every time there is a potential for hurricane here in Houston, all the lemmings make gridlock on the highways because they don't think logically
[07:22:52] <kdavy> i can understand the water damage in coastal areas, but fleeing from the wind when you're 200 feet above sea level makes absolutely no sense to me
[07:32:46] <caimlas> I really want there to be a zombie appocolipse
[07:32:54] <caimlas> or the spelled-correctly version of that
[07:33:17] <caimlas> I'd stick out the hurricane if I'm above conceivable flood levels
[07:33:25] <kdavy> yeah, that would be fun
[07:33:26] <caimlas> maybe a looter will have something nice in their pockets.
[07:33:41] <caimlas> it'd be a nice change of pace
[07:33:49] <caimlas> I know I get really excited when the power goes out here in the winter
[07:34:08] <caimlas> "cool we get to use the things we socked away in preparation for this sorta thing... bets on when the neighbors knock?"
[07:34:20] <caimlas> remember when that happened when i was a kid
[07:34:27] <caimlas> took about 4 hours for neighbors to knock
[07:34:49] <caimlas> (ice storm, high winds, wood stove, -20F)
[07:35:42] <kdavy> hm, maybe i live in the wrong city, but the only people that would knock on my door in this scenario would be home alarm salesmen
[07:35:55] <caimlas> heh
[07:35:58] <caimlas> yeah
[07:36:04] <caimlas> that town was population $10k
[07:36:08] <caimlas> and it was a 'population center'
[07:36:38] <caimlas> knew people about 15 miles away who were without power for three weeks
[07:36:51] <caimlas> they bought a gas water heater
[07:36:54] <kdavy> "copulation center", that's more like it
[07:37:13] <kdavy> people are bored, nothing else to do
[07:37:59] <caimlas> eh
[07:38:06] <caimlas> there's always something to do
[07:38:18] <caimlas> I say that as someone who didn't get a single fuck the entire time livign there and had plenty to do :P
[07:40:23] <kdavy> hah. in Russia, there was always a spike of births 9 months after every single major event that disrupted technology, such as long widespread power outages
[07:41:04] <caimlas> "is the glass half empty or half full? that is the question of the philosopher. the pragmatist says, "damn it the bottle is empty"
[07:41:21] <caimlas> kdavy, hmm
[07:41:27] <caimlas> kdavy, how long would those power outages last?
[07:41:49] <caimlas> it's a good thing stills are better run on fire
[07:42:08] <kdavy> could be a couple days, depending on reason
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[16:15:16] <JarianGibson> Provisioning Services XenDesktop 5/Virtual Machine Setup Wizard http://bit.ly/g6g4zE
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[17:21:02] <tabularasa> Splatone: you around?
[17:22:13] <caimlas> morning.
[17:22:25] <tabularasa> morning
[17:22:33] <tabularasa> YLOD on my PS3... :(
[17:51:29] <caimlas> yellow linguine of destruction?
[17:51:32] <caimlas> never played that one
[17:52:30] <caimlas> man, it's weird seeing video of my youngest sibling
[17:52:36] <caimlas> she's... 6 years younger than I
[17:52:52] <caimlas> so my recollection is of her as a child... never saw much of her after about her being 15
[17:52:58] <caimlas> very peculiar.
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[18:07:09] <gnoze5> yellow!!!
[18:07:22] <gnoze5> is there a "most common issue" for login loops with xendesktop?
[18:07:25] <gnoze5> like licensing?
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[21:35:39] <andtrds> hello anyone here with xendesktop exprerience ?
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[23:33:20] <kdavy> anyone know how to fix vacuum backflow preventer assemblies?
[23:45:59] <waynerr__> wtf ?
[23:46:30] <waynerr__> maybe try #rocketscience ? =D
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[23:55:22] <kdavy> waynerr__: more like #sprinklerscience :)
[23:55:39] <kdavy> i found the part i need though already - $28





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