[00:00:26] <kdavy_> I guess it's kinda like HDX, but scrapes the entire screen instead of just certain applications
[00:01:51] <kdavy_> annnnnd uses a lot more bandwidth as a result
[00:02:02] <kdavy_> and is more sensitive to latency
[00:03:20] <kreign> i remember remote X being pretty responsive over 10Mbit hubbed (high latency, relatively speaking - very congested) about uh 10 years ago.
[00:03:49] <kreign> even for something like web browsing or the like. pretty much didn't matter what it was, actually - it drew to the display at about the same rate.
[00:04:07] <gladier> X like X11?
[00:11:14] <kreign> yeah
[00:12:15] <kreign> I used to use eclipse via remote X11 on my desktop in my dorm room for coursework, because the NT4 systems weren't stable enough for August heat :P
[00:12:20] <kreign> (in the labs)
[00:12:42] <kreign> didn't have a monitor for half a semester in college
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[00:17:40] <kdavy_> kreign, remote X operates much more similarly to HDX/RDP i think
[00:18:34] <gladier> i still use X11 forwarding
[00:18:39] <gladier> oracle installs on linux machines
[00:19:06] <kdavy_> i dont use x11 forwarding, never had to
[00:22:20] <kreign> kdavy uh but HDX and RDP are dissimilar things, are they not?
[00:22:34] <kreign> I use X forwarding all the damn time
[00:22:39] <kreign> well, frequently
[00:22:47] <kreign> mostly just to talkto my home desktop from work
[00:23:06] <kreign> or launch VirtualBox from a windows machine on the server
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[00:24:15] <kdavy_> yeah, something like that
[00:24:34] <Middleman> yo
[00:24:41] <Middleman> who the hell got xenserver audio device driver
[00:24:42] <kdavy_> yo Middleman
[00:24:48] <Middleman> workin
[00:24:49] <Middleman> hey
[00:25:00] <kdavy_> uhhhh xenserver has an audio device driver???
[00:25:08] <Middleman> there has to be a way
[00:25:12] <Middleman> to get audio workin on a vm
[00:25:19] <Middleman> wonderin if anyone figured it out
[00:25:25] <kdavy_> it should just work via RDP or ICA
[00:25:35] <Middleman> you know
[00:25:39] <kdavy_> has nothing to do with XenServer or with any physical audio devices
[00:25:43] <Middleman> i thought might work
[00:25:46] <Middleman> but it doesnt
[00:25:54] <Middleman> shows volume without X
[00:25:56] <kdavy_> what windows version?
[00:25:56] <Middleman> (red x)
[00:26:02] <Middleman> 2008r2
[00:26:18] <kdavy_> hm ok, my r2 management server shows the same
[00:26:24] <kdavy_> even though its physical
[00:26:36] <kdavy_> so has nothing to do with xenserver, just microsoft
[00:28:56] <kdavy_> ahhh don't you need the A/V experience and Desktop experience feature for audio to work?
[00:37:21] <kdavy_> this makes no sense. i cant get audio enabled either
[00:38:40] <Middleman> ya eh
[00:38:48] <Middleman> i tried setting up a application terminal server
[00:38:51] <Middleman> and forcing audio
[00:38:55] <Middleman> but didnt work
[00:39:09] <Middleman> u have the av desktop experience thign installed?
[00:39:17] <Middleman> on vmware
[00:39:21] <Middleman> audio works right away
[00:39:24] <Middleman> without anything special
[00:39:28] <kdavy_> yeah
[00:39:37] <kdavy_> i'm now trying to enable the remotefx encoder
[00:39:42] <kdavy_> maybe that'll work
[00:39:54] <Middleman> ok, im checkin for answers on the web
[00:39:59] <Middleman> i will post back with findings
[00:40:01] <kdavy_> (i have r2 sp1)
[00:40:10] <Middleman> oh
[00:40:47] <kdavy_> wtf. it now killed my session to the management box
[00:40:54] <kdavy_> and won't let me reconnect
[00:41:20] <Middleman> xencetner?
[00:41:47] <kdavy_> no RDP
[00:41:51] <Middleman> oh ok good
[00:42:00] <Middleman> u can reconnect right
[00:42:09] <kdavy_> this is a physical server, not a XenServer VM
[00:42:17] <Middleman> oh
[00:43:12] <kdavy_> and no i cant reconnect lol
[00:43:40] <Middleman> mstsc /console
[00:43:59] <kdavy_> ah, the server bluescreened and rebooted. awesome
[00:46:14] <Middleman> lol
[00:46:16] <Middleman> fuck man
[00:46:18] <Middleman> sorry
[00:46:49] <kdavy_> its alright, just a management server. nothing important on it
[00:48:21] <kdavy_> but i still dont have an audio device
[00:51:01] <Middleman> ya
[00:51:07] <Middleman> even with the terminal server hack
[00:51:09] <Middleman> it doesnt work
[00:51:17] <Middleman> citrix needs to make a audio driver
[00:51:23] <kdavy_> dxdiag sees no audio devices either
[00:51:41] <Middleman> was hoping to run voip off a rdp http session
[00:51:43] <kdavy_> this is not a citrix issue, this is a microsoft issue
[00:51:51] <Middleman> naw, its citrix
[00:51:54] <Middleman> cause they dont provide a driver
[00:52:04] <Middleman> xenapp tools should install a driver
[00:52:12] <kdavy_> naw it's not. it should work without a driver, like it does in win2003
[00:52:28] <kdavy_> clearly a remote desktop issue
[00:52:48] <Middleman> nope
[00:52:50] <Middleman> vm driver issue
[00:52:55] <kdavy_> nope
[00:52:56] <Middleman> vmware installs audio drivers
[00:52:58] <Middleman> :p
[00:53:01] <kdavy_> remote desktop issue :-P
[00:53:09] <kdavy_> i have same issue on bare metal hardware
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[00:54:30] <Middleman> maybe i dont have onboard driver installed on xenhost
[00:54:41] <Middleman> gona check my mobo manual
[00:58:03] <kdavy_> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[00:58:16] <kdavy_> $%^$^ Microsoft
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[00:58:47] <kdavy_> go to RD Session Host Configuration, RRP-Tcp properties -> Client Settings
[00:59:08] <kdavy_> then UNCHECK Audio&video playback and Audio Recording, they are checked by default
[00:59:30] <kdavy_> check means disable
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[01:00:08] <gnoze5> mtherfk*!#
[01:00:10] <gnoze5> acpi xenserver
[01:00:11] <gnoze5> lol
[01:00:16] <gnoze5> i wanted to test something
[01:00:19] <gnoze5> this will mess it up.
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[01:01:53] <Middleman> ok, so, audio driver is windows only, will install on vm
[01:02:49] <kdavy_> Middleman, i found it
[01:02:56] <Middleman> ya?
[01:03:07] * Middleman moves closer to screen
[01:03:09] <Middleman> lol
[01:03:20] <kdavy_> $%^$^ Microsoft.  go to RD Session Host Configuration, RRP-Tcp properties -> Client Settings, then UNCHECK Audio&video playback and Audio Recording, they are checked by default. check means disable
[01:03:28] <Middleman> ya
[01:03:31] <kdavy_> *RDP-Tcp properties
[01:03:32] <Middleman> i was on that forum
[01:03:37] <Middleman> its unchecked by default
[01:03:47] <Middleman> i dunno what that crack head is talkin about
[01:03:48] <Middleman> lol
[01:03:50] <kdavy_> um. mine was checked. i unchecked it, everything started working
[01:03:58] <Middleman> 2k8?
[01:04:03] <kdavy_> 2k8 r2 sp1
[01:04:20] <Middleman> session host config
[01:04:31] <Middleman> client settings rdp-tcp
[01:05:21] <Middleman> i checked it
[01:05:23] <Middleman> and unchecked it
[01:05:28] <Middleman> loging off/on
[01:10:54] <kdavy_> and?
[01:11:28] <Middleman> didnt do anythin
[01:11:33] <Middleman> installed audio drivers on the vm
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[01:11:44] <kdavy_> hm. it worked for me :-/
[01:11:57] * Middleman is happy for davy
[01:11:59] <Middleman> :p
[01:12:13] <Middleman> : )
[01:12:32] <kdavy_> is the sound redirection enabled in RDP of client machine as well?
[01:12:37] <IcePee> hello all
[01:12:44] <Middleman> ya
[01:12:45] <kdavy_> hi IcePee
[01:12:51] <Middleman> i see the mic working
[01:13:08] <Middleman> i see play back workin, just no sound
[01:13:11] <kdavy_> is the Windows Audio service started on the server?
[01:13:44] <Middleman> ya, lemme restart it
[01:21:10] <Middleman> works now with the audio driver installed on vm
[01:21:15] <Middleman> so, ya, driver issue
[01:21:21] <Middleman> as ts is using a audio driver
[01:21:22] <kdavy_> ok..
[01:31:13] <kreign> tabularasa, hey BSD god, need your help :P
[01:34:53] <gnoze5> kreign the guy is sleeping
[01:35:01] <gnoze5> timezone..
[01:35:16] <gnoze5> i didnt know tabularasa was a bsd god lol
[01:42:18] <kreign> yeah i don't know that either.
[01:42:22] <kreign> I just can't figure this out
[01:42:29] <kreign> rc.conf doesn't have zfs_enable="YES"
[01:42:36] <kreign> loader.conf does not have zfs
[01:42:49] <kdavy_> gnoze5, well according to some folks in this channel i'm a xenserver god. even though i'm far from that
[01:43:09] <kreign> yet ZFS starts to load even after the unload/load kernel/disable-module zfs/boot
[01:43:15] <kdavy_> kreign, are you trying to enable zfs on freebsd?
[01:43:21] <kreign> fuck no
[01:43:24] <kreign> that's stupid
[01:43:25] <kreign> heh
[01:43:35] <kdavy_> then what are you trying to do?
[01:43:37] <kreign> kdavy_, not you - the act of using zfs on fbsd is. ;P
[01:43:43] <kdavy_> ahh ok lol
[01:44:10] <kreign> kdavy_, I'm trying to figure out -why- it's still trying to load. currently, it's hanging indefinately at the 'zfs storage pool version 6'
[01:44:23] <kdavy_> version 6? that's ancient
[01:44:27] <kreign> kdavy_, this is why servers should be rebooted regularly *grumble*
[01:44:34] <kreign> kdavy_, for fbsd, it's about 1.5 years old.
[01:44:39] <kdavy_> = ancient
[01:44:41] <kreign> because that's when the kernel was updated and the host was not rebooted.
[01:44:45] <kdavy_> heh
[01:44:58] <kreign> had a 700 day uptime before I took it down.
[01:45:09] <kreign> and I did my damnest to make sure it'd come up 'right' beforehand
[01:45:23] <kreign> can see no fucking evidence of what's causing this thing to load zfs. :|
[01:45:41] <kdavy_> is the root volume running zfs? that might be why...
[01:45:49] <kreign> it might, but it isn't
[01:45:53] <kreign> root is a geom mirror
[01:46:18] <kdavy_> doesn't tell me anything
[01:46:38] <kdavy_> but i assume you know more about freebsd than i do (which is nothing)
[01:46:39] <kreign> kdavy think software raid.
[01:46:50] <kdavy_> yeah, figured
[01:47:09] <kdavy_> oh. so. rant of the day
[01:48:14] <kreign> I thought my rant was the rant of the day?
[01:48:19] <kreign> because it's been going on... all fuckign day.
[01:48:35] <kdavy_> user reported an issue with our blackberry enterprise server today - when doing an address book lookup the BES would return contacts from the global address list, which included contacts from other companies we host - huge security breach
[01:48:54] <kreign> fun thing about this, no USB, pxe on the network, or CDROM drive on/in the chassis.
[01:49:04] <kdavy_> multi-tenant Exchange + multi-tenant BES here
[01:49:15] <kreign> yuck
[01:49:23] <kdavy_> spent an hour on the phone with RIM support. guess what they suggested
[01:49:28] <kdavy_> just fucking guess
[01:49:34] <kreign> 1) reboot the server
[01:49:39] <kreign> 2) reinstall
[01:49:54] <kdavy_> worse
[01:50:07] <kreign> enlighten me
[01:51:06] <kdavy_> install a separate instance of Blackberry Enterprise Server for every client we host, and give each instance a separate service account with rights to only read the client-specific Exchange address list, not the Global Address Listy
[01:54:31] <kdavy_> how's that compared to your rant of the day?
[01:56:17] <kreign> how many users/how much of a footprint for BES?
[01:56:23] <kreign> quite a few/big I'm presuming, based on what i recall
[01:56:32] <kdavy_> BES costs $2500 for a bare server license, plus CALs
[01:56:38] <kreign> haha
[01:56:39] <kreign> yeah
[01:56:43] <kreign> so they want to give you the rape treatment
[01:57:20] <kdavy_> that's beyond rape
[01:58:46] <kreign> kdavy_, mind you, replacing this fucking fbsd host has been on my 'todo asap' priority list. it's got two different raid controllers in it, as well as using the onboard controller, w/ 3 types of disks in two enclosures ... my plan for the day was to fix an enduser application that was slooooooow (dipshit programming) and have had users call to complain about it every day... boss says "I need you to take the host down + doublecheck that what you just told m
[01:58:46] <kreign> e is correct" - namely, that the expansion could take 3 more disks (of yet another size and make, despite me insisting it's a bad idea)
[01:59:02] <kreign> I've wanted to replace this host for the better part of a year.
[01:59:36] <kreign> (it's just a backup target point but it's a huge management overhead/headache)
[01:59:39] <kdavy_> ouch. does your boss know how to use a computer, let alone a server?
[01:59:44] <kreign> so I've got about 4 hours to figure this out.
[02:00:08] <kreign> kdavy_, sometimes, I wonder. I hear him say things which have words I understand, but in the way that they come out his flap they make little/no sense.
[02:00:19] <kreign> like today
[02:00:26] <kreign> "we need a 24 hour DR delta"
[02:00:34] <kdavy_> heh
[02:00:43] <kdavy_> that statement made sense to me
[02:01:01] <kreign> ok, so what does it mean?
[02:01:44] <kdavy_> data should be replicated to the DR site with a time offset of 24 hours, so that if corruption occurs in the primary site it won't propagate to DR site immediately
[02:01:57] <kreign> nope
[02:02:06] <kreign> quite the opposite
[02:02:08] <kdavy_> enlighten me
[02:02:09] <kreign> apparently.
[02:03:24] <kdavy_> data should travel 24 hours back in time so if you have to fail over you have a whole day, and no data will be lost because it's using a time-travel plugin?
[02:03:36] <kreign> hah
[02:04:22] <kreign> no, he meant he only wants the most previous 24 hours of differential on the off-site
[02:04:32] <kdavy_> wtf
[02:04:59] <kdavy_> so, like, replicate deltas without keeping a full copy that the deltas will build on?
[02:05:50] <jduggan> blackberry is just a pain in the dick
[02:05:57] <kdavy_> that's like replicating desktop shortcuts without replicating actual applications. "MY ICONS ARE THERE! DR test is complete!"
[02:06:03] <jduggan> ppl should just use android phones with built in exchange
[02:06:04] <jduggan> :P
[02:06:20] <kdavy_> jduggan, or iPhones
[02:06:24] <jduggan> i have quite a few bes express setups - we dont do multi tenant, too much overhead
[02:06:33] <jduggan> yea iphones work great
[02:06:34] <kreign> kdavy you betcha.
[02:07:21] <kdavy_> yeah, but we have 200+ blackberry users, all multi-tenant. shifting them all to different phones unfortunately not an option
[02:07:29] <kdavy_> and neither is BES Express
[02:10:18] <kreign> kdavyso what caused the security problem, any idea?
[02:11:20] <kreign> kdavy_, case in point of why ZFS sucks: Alan Cox makes multiple commits to FreeBSD's ZFS codebase to improve some severe "tuneable' related stability issues, and they're ignored.
[02:11:23] <kreign> Alan fucking Cox
[02:13:05] <kdavy_> hm, don't know who that is :-P
[02:14:46] <kreign> kdavy_, the linux kernel maintainer for 2.4? 2.2?
[02:14:51] <kreign> can't remember which
[02:15:16] <kreign> but he's been largely considered the godfather of linux
[02:17:51] <kdavy_> ah, looks like a badass: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:With-alan-cox.jpg
[02:18:34] <kreign> kdavythanks
[02:18:42] <kreign> heh
[02:18:52] <kdavy_> anyway, i gotta go now, wife might kill me if i dont leave now
[02:18:55] <kreign> kdavy heh yeah.
[02:19:05] <kdavy_> take care
[02:37:05] <jduggan> kreign: are you sure thats teh same alan cox ?
[02:38:00] <jduggan> there is an alan cox freebsd developer iirc
[02:38:04] <jduggan> (two different people)
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[02:52:57] <kdavy> lol this reminds me of an old russian joke about poles
[02:53:31] <kdavy> "Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels are not husband and wife, as we previously believed, but four completely unrelated people"
[02:54:18] <kreign> jduggan, ah didn't know that.
[02:54:39] <kreign> jduggan, don't supose you've got an eye into my problem here.
[02:56:18] <kreign> jduggan, have an elderly fbsd 7.2-release-p4 box hanging on boot... previously thought it was zfs causing it due to hanging after zfs/opensolaris module (ZFS storage pool version 6 - and then nothing but a cursor; input could be taken but nothing happens short of ctl-alt-del causing a sighup 15s or so later)
[02:56:54] <kdavy> kreign, maybe a long shot, but do you get any further via rs232 console?
[02:58:47] <jduggan> kreign: hmmm not sure, but version 6 was the first version they ported right?
[02:59:15] <jduggan> is this before or after boot loader ?
[02:59:31] <kdavy> jduggan: no idea, i started working with zfs when zpools were (and still are) on v28
[02:59:52] <kdavy> not long ago at all
[03:00:11] <kreign> jduggan, after loader: unload/load kernel/load geom_mirror/set zfs_enable="NO"/module-disable zfs/boot -s , it's hanging while trying to mount root (ufs:/dev/mirror/gm0s1a) in the same fashion. this was a point I -thought- it was getting past previously, but possibly not. lots of "removing label..." relating to the geom mirror were occurring on console during a non -s boot prior to the opensolaris hang...
[03:00:22] <jduggan> version 6 has all sorts of issues
[03:00:28] <kreign> jduggan, loader is able to pre-load stuff fine, seemingly.
[03:00:32] <kreign> yeah
[03:00:34] <kdavy> version 28 still has issues
[03:00:38] <kreign> yeah.
[03:00:55] <kreign> kdavy on nexenta, you're having issues w/ zfs itself still?
[03:01:20] <kdavy> kreign, yeah. dedup is not ready for production for sure
[03:01:23] <kreign> kdavy and no, no further on console cable
[03:01:35] <kreign> kdavy unstable or just slow?
[03:01:39] <kdavy> both
[03:01:50] <kreign> :/
[03:02:06] <kdavy> slow when writing, completely unstable when deleting anything deduped
[03:02:17] <kreign> jduggan, at any rate... any ideas what's causing this? :|
[03:02:52] <kdavy> the most famous bug is "dedup-induced latency causing FC initiator logouts and port resets", although same goes for iScsi
[03:03:35] <jduggan> kreign: not sure tbh :(
[03:03:54] <kreign> jduggan, the initial problem is I can't fucking figure out why zfs is actually trying to load. it's not in /boot/loader.conf it's not in rc.conf ...
[03:03:59] <kdavy> though it looks like that bug has since been pulled from public view - it was there when i submitted a support case with Nexenta, but after they admitted the bug existed it suddenly vanished from the opensolaris bugtracker
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[03:04:23] <kreign> jduggan, hmm shit. just noticed, there is a static reference (zpool_cache_load="yes" and related) in /etc/defaults/loader.conf.... might this be triggering the zfs module to load, somehow?
[03:04:34] <kreign> zpool_cache_type and zpool_cache_name as well
[03:05:03] <kreign> kdavy :| is nexenta using the osol bugtrakcer?
[03:05:34] <kdavy> kreign: they certainly accept issues from it :) i think half of the osol dev team works for nexenta at this point
[03:06:09] <jduggan> kdavy: do you have zfs_load ?
[03:06:22] <kdavy> jduggan: huh?
[03:06:28] <kreign> jduggan, in my rc.conf ?
[03:06:28] <jduggan> =yes
[03:06:35] <jduggan> yea in rc.conf or loader.conf
[03:06:36] <kreign> jduggan, not that I can see via the 'more' in loader
[03:06:58] <kreign> jduggan, i also did a 'set zfs_load="NO"' on loader prompt
[03:07:06] <jduggan> rc.conf?
[03:07:22] <kreign> and disable-module zfs
[03:07:47] <kreign> jduggan, no, there is no zfs_* anything, from what I can see, in rc.conf
[03:07:56] <kdavy> anyway, if i had to make a comparison... production level storage i can 100% trust = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JkIs37a2JE   ; zfs/nexenta = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAwiyQTA4s0
[03:08:12] <gnoze5> kdavy i thought your wife was waiting..
[03:08:15] <jduggan> device.hints ?
[03:08:18] <jduggan> in /boot
[03:08:24] <kdavy> gnoze5: i'm at home already
[03:08:27] <kdavy> she's sleeping
[03:08:37] <kreign> kdavy working via rdp right now, what are the videos
[03:09:05] <kdavy> kreign: no point in explaining, minimize the rdp session and see for yourself
[03:09:28] <kreign> kdavy heh it's a thin client.
[03:10:14] <kdavy> kreign: ok. compare choreographics of Jamiroquai with people picked off the street
[03:11:27] <kreign> kdavy huh. sure your impression isn't colored by nexenta itself? I have a hard time believing ZFS 'proper' (eg. the opensolaris/solaris zfs) is as bad. :|
[03:12:04] <kdavy> kreign: sure. nexenta has its issues too, but they are minor and don't hinder basic functionality and performance
[03:12:25] <kreign> kdavy you are scaring me from ZFS in general right now.
[03:12:41] <kreign> kdavy so wtf is 'enterprise storage' if zfs does not qualify
[03:13:14] <kdavy> kreign: in my opinion zfs is the best file system for enterprise, but ONLY if you know its weak points and work around them
[03:13:32] <kreign> kdavy you should write that up somewhere.
[03:13:39] <kreign> 'zfs weakpoints'
[03:14:18] <kdavy> i really should. but i'll need to word them very carefully so i don't break the NDA i signed with Nexenta....
[03:14:49] <gnoze5> kdavy i very much agree with your statement
[03:14:54] <kreign> kdavy install nexentacore or w/e it's called and QC against that? see if you can replicate?
[03:16:29] <kdavy> kreign: whats the point? i can just ask other nexenta users to replicate - some of them have hit the same bumps
[03:16:57] <kreign> kdavy you could always have someone else replicate it and write it up. I write decently. :)
[03:17:03] <kdavy> i hang around in #nexenta, #nexentastor and #opensolaris - i already know what the widespread issues are
[03:17:39] <kdavy> for English being my 4th foreign language (believe it or not) i write decently too :-P
[03:18:20] <gnoze5> whats the first?
[03:18:21] <gnoze5> dutch?
[03:18:24] <kdavy> Russian
[03:18:30] <kdavy> that's my native tongue
[03:18:36] <gnoze5> 2nd 3rd?
[03:19:02] <kdavy> then Norwegian and German, then Latin, then English
[03:19:11] <gnoze5> (i just joined #opensolaris it feels like its still alive)
[03:19:13] <gnoze5> Latin?
[03:19:24] <kdavy> plus some Ukrainian and Indonesian, but nowhere near fluent
[03:19:31] <gnoze5> i mean
[03:19:44] <gnoze5> can you hold a convo in latin?
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[03:20:14] <gnoze5> or you just throw arround stuff like post hoc ergo propter hoc?
[03:20:27] <kdavy> yeah, i took Latin for 4 years in middle school and high school, i used to be able to hold a fluent conversation in it, but that's been 10 years ago
[03:20:38] <kdavy> no practice since then
[03:20:54] <gnoze5> hm
[03:21:07] <gnoze5> how do you say network storage in latin?
[03:21:30] <kdavy> but i couldn't speak English fluently until i moved to the States
[03:21:50] <kreign> gnoze5, there really is no explicable reason why the kernel would simply hang at "trying to load root from..." is there? no errors, nothing...
[03:22:12] <kreign> kdavyand yes you write quite well
[03:22:32] <kdavy> uhh.... "net copia"?
[03:22:49] <kdavy> they didn't really have network storage when Latin was invented :)
[03:23:36] <gnoze5> kreign bsd is fringe science
[03:23:41] <gnoze5> and im no expert
[03:24:30] <kreign> lol probably something like "tragina vulga corpus"
[03:25:06] <kreign> piscis vulga corpus?
[03:25:15] * kreign needs food
[03:25:25] <kdavy> i already taught most of my coworkers how to swear in Russian. i need to learn Italian next :)
[03:25:46] <gnoze5> kdavy worth looking to powervault line for that 70 vdi solution i mentioned or should i go straight to equallogic?
[03:26:18] <kdavy> gnoze5, i don't know - might wanna wait until tabularasa is around to ask the question
[03:26:37] <gnoze5> the oracle..
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[03:31:31] <kreign> gnoze5, you know what 'pepperc virtual disk' is?
[03:34:33] <gnoze5> isnt peppercon a company that makes kvm hardware?
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[03:35:48] <gnoze5> whats the context?
[03:36:20] <gnoze5> some sort of virtual drive?
[03:39:59] <kreign> gnoze5, i think so? according to google
[03:40:16] <kreign> gnoze5, I see it during boot w/ no media found, just trying to figure out why the fuck this thing isn't booting
[03:40:46] <kreign> gnoze5, for freebsd-update, the old kernel usually gets renamed to kernel.old right?
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[03:44:34] <kreign> gnoze5, and, if I see an opensolaris.ko in /boot/kernel/ is that indicative of a module or it being hardlinked to the kernel?
[03:46:31] <gnoze5> kreign yes
[03:46:32] <gnoze5> and
[03:46:44] <gnoze5> module
[03:47:23] <kreign> ok wtf.
[03:47:46] <gnoze5> kldstat
[03:47:49] <kreign> gnoze5, so if there is a module in that dir, and i do a disable-module <module> - why ight it say 'not found'?
[03:47:56] <kreign> gnoze5, yeahhh not getting that far dude, remember?
[03:47:59] <kreign> still stuck at loader.
[03:48:00] <gnoze5> lol
[03:48:02] <gnoze5> yeah
[03:48:35] <kreign> this is really infuriating.
[03:48:54] <kreign> gnoze5, is there any loader 'linkage' involved I might look at? maybe another file is getting sourced somewhere that I'm missing that says "rape him with zfs anyway"?
[03:49:31] <kreign> gnoze5, I'm not seeing any 'unable to mount...' errors, but is it possible that root isn't getting properly mounted (on account of the hang for mounting root when i try boot -s)?
[03:49:35] <kreign> or am i barking up the wrong tree with you?
[03:49:50] <gnoze5> it is possible that / is not being mounted
[03:50:01] <kreign> gnoze5, and i should get an error to this effect yes?
[03:50:10] <gnoze5> well 2 days ago we didnt
[03:50:18] <gnoze5> thats why we went over the source
[03:50:22] <kreign> gnoze5, was that roto on zfs?
[03:50:27] <kreign> this is not
[03:50:32] <kreign> this is geom mirror root
[03:50:38] <gnoze5> hm
[03:50:39] <kreign> and then the zfs shit is just a /jails mount
[03:50:49] <gnoze5> bsd version was free 7.2 you said?
[03:50:54] <kreign> yes
[03:51:08] <gnoze5> hm far beyound my knowledge
[03:51:17] <kreign> so why did you ask :)
[03:51:31] <gnoze5> im curious lol
[03:51:43] <gnoze5> you really need to get a hold of this guy i mentioned
[03:55:01] <kreign> fun
[03:55:05] <kreign> well it's 8 o'clock
[03:55:08] <kreign> one more thing to maybe try.
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[04:01:12] <gnoze5> its 3am
[04:02:41] <kreign> yeah
[04:02:43] <kreign> whatever
[04:02:44] <kreign> heh
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[04:30:00] <gnoze5> has anyone used the iomega ix12 the one using emc's lifeline?
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[07:05:04] <kdavy> kreign: damn, silently watching your convo in #zfs. hope everything works out
[07:05:19] <kreign> kdavy yes.
[07:05:36] <kreign> kdavy I swear to god, with the other bullshit going on I'm about one harsh word from quiting.
[07:05:53] <kreign> (as if this is somethign I've got control over.)
[07:06:19] <kdavy> i get the feeling, been there
[07:07:35] <kdavy> this is one of the main reasons i don't touch any open source products without a commercial option for support
[07:07:40] <kreign> kdavyhow long have you worked for current emplyoer?
[07:08:09] <kdavy> kreign: it's gonna be 3 years in a month
[07:08:22] <kreign> kdavy useful community support would be enough, but honestly... I've never had an issue similar to this before with Linux, not in 14 years.
[07:09:28] <kdavy> well, i can fix most things i deal with faster than it would take support to call me back, but still it's nice to have someone else to point the finger to
[07:10:04] <kreign> kdavy right.
[07:10:18] <kreign> kdavy my company wouldn't pay for it.
[07:10:27] <kreign> or at least, not proactively
[07:10:39] <kreign> they'd pay the $5k on-site next-day OMGWTFBBQ disaster rate
[07:10:54] <kdavy> heh
[07:11:10] <kreign> really getting sick of this.
[07:11:29] <kreign> 3 kids and a house keep me here
[07:11:46] <kdavy> i have $20k line of credit on a company card dedicated to "i need help right this very second" emergency support cases
[07:12:00] <kreign> hah
[07:12:02] <kreign> yeah
[07:12:16] <kreign> I'm not even getting compensated for travel to customer sites
[07:12:27] <kreign> granted 'the other guy' gets stuck doing that mostly
[07:12:30] <kreign> but he doesn't either
[07:18:16] <kdavy> yeah
[07:21:23] <kreign> so yeah
[07:21:28] <kreign> kinda tired of this.
[07:21:33] <kreign> for a myriad of other reasons.
[07:23:07] <kdavy> now, if you booted from a freebsd livecd (if one exists), imported the geom and checked it for errors - fsck, scrub, whatever. would that possibly do any good?
[07:28:24] <kreign> kdavy I'm not sure.
[07:28:28] <kreign> kdavytrying to figure that out now.
[07:29:50] <kdavy> also, it's an even lower probability, but i've had a strikingly similar hang with XenServer when the root partition ran out of disk space. might wanna check for that too
[07:30:49] <kreign> i checked for that before rebooting.
[07:31:08] <kreign> freebsd slices are not fun to work with
[07:31:20] <kreign> think i'd rather lvm
[07:31:52] <kdavy> wait, are you serious? how bad can slices be if lvm is better?
[07:34:58] <kreign> personal preference maybe
[07:35:05] <kreign> I don't care to think of my storage in slices of sectors, though
[07:36:17] <kreign> kdavy you have a partition, and in that you have slices
[07:36:32] <kreign> the tools are a bit terse and somewhat prone to error/not working
[07:37:49] <kdavy> hmm, when you say the words "partition" and "slices" in the same sentence, somehow i can't help but think about what happens when you defragment the M: Drive on a pre-Exchange2k3 mail server
[07:38:22] <kreign> very similar
[07:38:44] <kreign> the tools are just a bit awkward is all
[07:38:54] <kreign> documentation is poor and output is terse
[07:40:48] <kdavy> sounds like my wife's attempts at cooking :)
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[13:26:29] <s3t4> hi anyone here?
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[13:36:38] <gnoze5> my dear friends
[13:36:43] <gnoze5> good afternoon
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[15:00:07] <Gnoze5> errr
[15:00:12] <Gnoze5> tabularasa you there?
[15:09:00] <tabularasa> sort of
[15:11:57] <Gnoze5> tabularasa well I will ask away anyway and you answer if you want when you can :) , I am looking at storage options for that 70 virtualized desktops solution (mostled random access hosted vdi, some local streamed) from what I read 14 IOPS per user seems like a good standard, so I guess I need around 1000 IOPS, is local storage really out of the question if HA is not a requirement?
[15:12:18] <tabularasa> 14 iops is light users, really
[15:12:33] <Gnoze5> light users = office + web apps?
[15:12:53] <tabularasa> yeah
[15:12:59] <tabularasa> web apps with flash?
[15:13:43] <Gnoze5> not really, some of them do need to access some stramed media though (marketing and pr department)
[15:13:52] <tabularasa> rcalc
[15:13:53] <tabularasa> oops
[15:14:24] <Gnoze5> lolol gnome fan?
[15:14:30] <tabularasa> If you want to go local storage you should get an T710 with 16 2.5" 300GB SAS drives in RAID10
[15:14:40] <tabularasa> prob give you the best performance possible for local storage
[15:15:01] <Gnoze5> an R710?
[15:15:07] <Gnoze5> hm
[15:15:09] <Gnoze5> interesting
[15:15:17] <Gnoze5> do you think that would do the trick?
[15:15:23] <tabularasa> T710
[15:15:43] <tabularasa> i'm not promising, i'm not the hardware guru, but that will give you some decent iops
[15:15:52] <Gnoze5> tower server
[15:16:01] <Gnoze5> for more drive space
[15:16:03] <Gnoze5> hmm
[15:16:07] <tabularasa> yeah, but you can get it in rack-mount config.. its 5U
[15:17:38] <Gnoze5> i mean i would go for local storage if i could get a decent one under 10k...
[15:17:45] <Gnoze5> but ive looked around and.. meh.
[15:22:21] <Gnoze5> hm hot plug
[15:22:22] <Gnoze5> cool
[15:28:01] <Gnoze5> hm 20k setup including the local hds
[15:28:05] <Gnoze5> pretty good
[15:28:33] <Gnoze5> with 2x5670 and 128gb ram
[15:29:22] <tabularasa> sounds right
[15:29:54] <Gnoze5> is it realistic to think windows 7 hosted vdi?
[15:30:08] <tabularasa> yes
[15:30:40] <Gnoze5> well
[15:31:26] <Gnoze5> now 75 euros per XD license
[15:31:27] <Gnoze5> lol
[15:34:04] <tabularasa> thats it?
[15:34:08] <tabularasa> you aren't going plat?
[15:35:44] <Gnoze5> im taking into account discount
[15:35:47] <Gnoze5> non-profit...
[15:35:57] <Gnoze5> but im not sure if i should go plat
[15:36:11] <Gnoze5> for the streamed i need plat
[15:36:27] <Gnoze5> but enterprise does it too
[15:36:37] <Gnoze5> what else do i get with plat
[15:36:40] <Gnoze5> edgesight?
[15:36:47] <Gnoze5> single signon?
[15:36:59] <tabularasa> yes, yes, xenapp, xenserver, etc
[15:37:03] <tabularasa> repeater
[15:37:35] <Gnoze5> i thought the vdi license gave access to xenserver for the xd vm infrastructure
[15:39:38] <tabularasa> http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/index.jsp?topic=/xendesktop-snma/cds-overview-editions-overview-wrapper.html
[15:42:26] <Gnoze5> hm
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[15:42:42] <Gnoze5> more clear than http://www.citrix.com/English/ps2/products/subfeature.asp?contentID=2300383
[15:43:20] <Gnoze5> but that doc is for xd 3
[15:43:27] <Gnoze5> i guess they are similar
[15:44:20] <Gnoze5> http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/index.jsp?topic=/xendesktop-snma/cds-overview-editions-overview-wrapper.html
[15:44:30] <tabularasa> man, my bad... wtf
[15:45:15] <tabularasa> http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/xendesktop-rho/cds-overview-editions-wrapper-rho.html
[15:45:20] <tabularasa> yeah, thats the right linke there
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[15:45:33] <Gnoze5> no worries lol
[15:45:52] <Gnoze5> "XenServer, when acquired as part of XenDesktop, can only be used to manage hosted desktops and Citrix-provided components included with your XenDesktop license, such as the Controller, license and Web servers, and XenApp servers. You cannot use the XenServer included with XenDesktop to host other server workloads, or servers used for XenApp purchased separately from XenDesktop. These restrictions
[15:45:52] <Gnoze5> also apply to the provisioning services included with XenServer: you may use provisioning services for desktops and for server workloads that are part of Citrix-provided XenDesktop infrastructure, including XenApp, but no other server workloads."
[15:45:59] <Gnoze5> this is true for all versions
[15:46:42] <Gnoze5> the branch repeater might do the trick though
[15:46:44] <Gnoze5> for the platinum
[15:47:01] <Gnoze5> we have 6 small offices across the country
[15:49:35] <Gnoze5> do i need to get them all platinum of only part of them use the repeater?
[15:50:07] <tabularasa> i'd imagine all
[15:50:17] <tabularasa> you still need the hardware appliance at the head end
[15:50:21] <tabularasa> its not cheap, keep in mind
[15:50:38] <Gnoze5> yeah we are talking 6 desktops per office
[15:50:45] <Gnoze5> how much do you reckon?
[15:50:50] <tabularasa> its 8-10k
[15:50:55] <Gnoze5> fodax
[15:50:56] <Gnoze5> lol
[15:51:06] <tabularasa> and at the branch end, you can use the windows plugin, or use the VPX
[15:51:19] <Gnoze5> hm
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[16:45:02] <ScottCochran> Good morning!
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[16:48:38] <tabularasa> hows it going
[16:50:00] <ScottCochran> good good
[16:50:40] <tabularasa> excellent
[16:56:34] <cathederal> morning
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[17:03:09] <Tenju> red bull cola = stupid , Just thought i'd share that
[17:05:17] <tabularasa> not a big red bull fan anyway
[17:05:24] <tabularasa> i like those 5 hour energys though
[17:05:37] <Tenju> those don't seem to work for me
[17:05:46] <ScottCochran> I love 5 hour energy
[17:05:53] <ScottCochran> Red bull = heartburn
[17:06:07] <Tenju> red bull cola is just strictly a soda
[17:06:16] <Tenju> not energy drink
[17:06:22] <Tenju> granted it has good amount of caffeine
[17:25:10] <gblfxt> taste the same as coke?
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[17:54:15] <Gnoze5> my energy drink is cola
[17:54:36] <Gnoze5> i dont drink coffee, but caffeine p sugar does the thing
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[19:21:51] <kreign> good morning angry people.
[19:22:00] <Gnoze5> lolol
[19:22:02] <kreign> tabularasa, you intimate with geom?
[19:22:03] <Gnoze5> mr angry has arrived!
[19:22:14] <kreign> Gnoze5, yeah, do I come across as that angry?
[19:22:34] <tabularasa> i acually hit Windows-R calc inside this linux
[19:24:07] <Gnoze5> kreign no you just come out as someone who wans to get a problem solved
[19:24:35] <kreign> Gnoze5, well, i am angry.
[19:25:52] <kreign> Gnoze5, when my manager calls me angrily this AM and says "why isn't it fixed yet, you said you'd have it fixed" at 7:30 (was working on this until 2), and says "why didn't you call" after he'd said "you can call until 10" last night...
[19:25:56] <kreign> this is somehow my fault.
[19:28:22] <Gnoze5> btw what is the exact purpose of the fbsd server?
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[19:32:43] <Gnoze5> mr kdavy_
[19:33:05] <kdavy_> what's up?
[19:33:45] <tabularasa> kdavy_: ordered 2 more motors and 2 tail booms... sigh..
[19:33:58] <tabularasa> i need to find a good transiever manual
[19:34:02] <kdavy_> tabularasa: did you crash it?
[19:34:34] <tabularasa> well, sort of
[19:34:58] <tabularasa> i didn't know what i was doing, so i plugged in the battery, and it turned on and flipped itself over and crashed and burned out the motor
[19:35:07] <tabularasa> the left stick was all the way down, but i had that slider halfway up
[19:35:10] <tabularasa> oops...
[19:35:31] <kdavy_> ouch
[19:35:34] <tabularasa> i should have read the manual first.. :-/
[19:35:57] <kdavy_> that's like doing remote start on a car that's in gear
[19:36:08] <tabularasa> exactly.. :(
[19:36:17] <Gnoze5> what are we talking about
[19:36:30] <Gnoze5> rc machine?
[19:36:35] <tabularasa> rc heli
[19:36:40] <Gnoze5> ah
[19:36:42] <tabularasa> i just found the manual
[19:36:46] <Gnoze5> is it virtualized?
[19:36:50] <Gnoze5> :P
[19:40:43] <kdavy_> yeah, tabularasa, have you tried live-migrating it?
[19:45:16] <kdavy_> kreign, did you figure out your issue last night?
[19:48:57] <tabularasa> kdavy_: the 2 trim sliders on the left and right sticks, are those both supposed to be all the way down?
[19:49:19] <kdavy_> tabularasa, depends on the controller, but in general yes
[19:50:08] <kdavy_> you use them to fine-tune steady-state throttle; after calibration they should be set to a level that allows the heli to hover without moving up/down or rotating, without you having to touch the controls
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[19:53:58] <tabularasa> makes sense... WTF is IDEL ?
[19:55:42] <Gnoze5> idel as in engine in idel
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[19:56:05] <tabularasa> i thought that was idle
[19:56:06] <kdavy_> Idle?
[19:56:17] <tabularasa> no.. IDEL... its a switch on the top left of the remote
[19:56:20] <Gnoze5> oh
[19:56:21] <Gnoze5> idel
[19:56:28] <Gnoze5> lol
[19:56:30] <Gnoze5> really
[19:56:30] <Gnoze5> i need
[19:56:32] <Gnoze5> to sleep
[19:57:19] <tabularasa> http://i54.tinypic.com/20ix7v5.png
[19:57:49] <tabularasa> i guess it is idle....
[19:57:58] <tabularasa> its just the british spelling
[19:58:39] <kdavy_> i'd say it's the engrish spelling
[19:58:50] <tabularasa> yeah, thats what i mean
[19:59:24] <kdavy_> http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploads/2011/03/broadbang-network.jpg
[20:03:07] <Gnoze5> yeah idel is incorrect
[20:03:26] <tabularasa> kdavy_: heh
[20:03:59] <Gnoze5> lolol
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[20:05:17] <kdavy_> tabularasa, but yea from the pic you posted, that's the kill switch
[20:08:14] <kreign> kdavy no I'm still working on it.
[20:08:27] <kdavy_> http://www.rcdiscuss.com/index.php?topic=12127.0
[20:09:10] <kdavy_> IMPORTANT.... always turn the transmitter on BEFORE connecting the battery to the heli.
[20:09:20] <kdavy_> IMPORTANT.... never accidentally flip the IDLE UP SWITCH. Watch out for it when you put your TX down and pick it up!!!
[20:12:19] <waynerr__> citrix xenserver, should i get hyperthreading cpus ?
[20:12:25] <kreign> kdavy "the big red button will make things worse"... nice
[20:12:40] <kreign> waynerr__, versus what? Pentium 3s?
[20:12:51] <kreign> er, Pentium 4s
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[20:12:55] <kreign> guess the 3s were HT :P
[20:13:08] <waynerr__> no i try to decide between intel xeon e5606 and e5620 haha
[20:13:08] <kdavy_> p4's are HT
[20:13:19] <kdavy_> 5620 definitely
[20:13:20] <kreign> kdavy er, right. generation off there.
[20:13:43] <waynerr__> but major difference is ht and turbo boost, so ht is used in xenserver ? :O
[20:13:47] <kreign> waynerr__, to indirectly answer your question, XS will see a HT thread as a core
[20:14:05] <kdavy_> no, the major difference is the fact that the 5620 has 12 megs of Cache
[20:14:10] <kreign> rather a HT core will look like two cores.
[20:14:13] <kreign> heh
[20:19:36] <kdavy_> well, technically Atom chips are P3's with hyperthreading
[20:19:57] <kreign> kdavy no they aren't.
[20:19:59] <kreign> :P
[20:21:17] <kdavy_> oh, yea. that's Core
[20:21:27] <kreign> kdavy aren't Atoms the descentants of the Pentium M, which was a ground-up redesign of the P2 (throwing the slag of P3 to the wolves)? IIRC from there it branched again, with the Core series being one side of the family tree and Atom later.
[20:21:39] <kdavy_> where's that chart of microarchitectures when i need it
[20:21:53] <kreign> let me knwo when you find it :)
[20:22:02] <kreign> i've never seen that
[20:22:15] <kreign> I'm just working from memory
[20:22:50] <kreign> if the Atom were descentant from the P4, the atom tablets would be 4" thick and could double as a portable space heater
[20:25:32] <kdavy_> yeah
[20:27:17] <kdavy_> at least there wouldn't be a tablet LCD shortage though - everyone could just use CRTs
[20:28:10] <kdavy_> though then it would be a rectangular parallelepiped, not a tablet
[20:28:44] <kreign> no then the batteries would need to be 24V dry cells
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[20:30:40] <kdavy_> at least they wouldn't blow up and set people on fire
[20:32:20] <kreign> are we talking about the same P4s?
[20:32:43] <kreign> and apprently you've never seen or heard of a CRT transformer blowing catastrophically :)
[20:32:59] <kreign> I had a friend in high school who had a 20" CRT blow up in her face
[20:33:06] <kreign> nice 1" scar right beside her eye
[20:33:39] <kdavy_> ouch
[20:34:03] <kreign> largish chunks missing from the glass face
[20:34:08] <kreign> thank god for lead shielding
[20:34:20] <kdavy_> the only times i've seen a CRT blow up was when connecting it to 380V or when stuffing it with explosives
[20:34:28] <kreign> heh
[20:34:36] <kreign> where is 380V supplied?
[20:34:41] <kdavy_> Russia
[20:34:53] <kreign> this may or may not have been the result of a transformer upstream blowing or a thunder storm; I don't recall
[20:35:15] <kreign> kdavy 380 the 'utility' voltage there?
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[20:35:40] <kdavy_> it's 220V on two phases or 380V on three
[20:36:00] <kreign> quite a fwe east/west electrical differences due to the edison/tesla conflict.
[20:36:03] <kdavy_> forgot the correct terminology, but you can essentially get 380V out of a regular socket if you wire it right
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[20:36:36] <kdavy_> yeah, 220V 1 phase vs. 380V 3 phase
[20:36:38] <kreign> ironically, edison won (and wiring the whole world wouldn't be possible had he not) but tesla was right. :P
[20:37:07] <kdavy_> Edison didn't win everywhere. In Cambodia, the situation is still very dire
[20:37:16] <kreign> tesla was a good 100 years ahead of his time...
[20:37:26] <kreign> kdavy yeah, he did. financially and institutionally.
[20:37:36] <kdavy_> and Tesla Motors is 100 years behind :)
[20:37:36] <kreign> whereas tesla died poor
[20:37:49] <kreign> kdavy haha
[20:38:01] <kreign> yeah I have no idea why their shit is appealing.
[20:38:16] <kreign> a conceptual stand, I guess?
[20:38:19] <tabularasa> the roadster is hot
[20:38:29] <kreign> trying to do future tech with old technology
[20:38:33] <kreign> can't build a bridge with legos
[20:38:54] <kreign> they just bought onto the 'green' movement for capitol investments
[20:39:00] <kdavy_> sure you can, if you use the right glue :)
[20:39:19] <kreign> kdavy liquid iron?
[20:39:45] <kdavy_> for example
[20:39:52] <kreign> not to be a pedantic fuck but i bet legos do not have either the tensile or compactive strength of steel and concrete
[20:39:59] <kdavy_> i've been to LegoLand in Denmark - some amazing stuff there
[20:41:12] <kreign> and?
[20:41:18] <kdavy_> also, the Lego trademarks the design, not materials used. you could make the bricks out of titanium if you wanted
[20:41:19] <kreign> do they have automobile bridges spanning rivers? :P
[20:41:28] <kreign> lol
[20:41:35] <kdavy_> they have pedestrian bridges spanning small creeks :)
[20:41:36] <kreign> no, you couldn't
[20:41:59] <kreign> kdavy the tension of one brick upon another is highly dependent on both design AND materials. ;P
[20:42:26] <kreign> good luck getting two Ti bricks to mate
[20:42:39] * kreign is in a poor mood, and apoligizes
[20:42:41] <kdavy_> once again, that's where glue comes in
[20:42:57] <kdavy_> how's that FreeBSD box?
[20:43:19] <kreign> what i mean to say is, one brick would not be able to be pressed upon another due to Ti properties... I don't think. hmm i guess it is pretty flexible.
[20:44:15] <kreign> kdavy I've made a couple more lovely 'discoveries' of the predecessor-who-can-do-no-wrong-because-he-submitted-code-to-geom, little things like "ad4 disk labels - physical and digital - are on the ad6 disk'
[20:44:18] <kdavy_> kreign, we might as well argue over what's easier - screwing in a nail or hammering in a screw
[20:44:44] <kreign> kdavy that depends on how much impactive force or torsion you've got, I suppose. :P
[20:46:13] <kdavy_> the question is not how much - it's either enough or not enough in both cases
[20:46:57] <kdavy_> i'm starting to sound like Yoda. i should shut up
[20:48:10] <kreign> lol
[20:48:47] <kreign> the difficulty of the problem is not determined by "enough" or "not enough", but "how much?" though. That is the question posed by the problem.
[20:48:57] <kdavy_> ok time to figure out how to enable ALUA and IPMP in Nexenta
[20:49:05] <kreign> IPMP?
[20:49:32] <kdavy_> ipmp = failover for NICs
[20:49:45] <kdavy_> similar to NLB
[20:49:47] <kreign> ah
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[20:50:49] <waynerr__> and when i take new servers, is it save to assume iam able to run my nodes from usb-sticks ? :D
[20:51:24] <waynerr__> i use a iscsi storage server for the vm storage, but i gonna need custom drivers on the usb-stick citrix xenserver, too :D
[20:51:57] <kdavy_> waynerr__, probably safe if the motherboard has an onboard USB port
[20:52:24] <waynerr__> it has several, i maybe try out usb-stick installation on the weekend
[20:52:45] <kdavy_> onboard = internal. not facing the backplate
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[20:55:32] <waynerr__> "Fujitsu has included an internal USB port for booting to an embedded hypervisor, but it can't match Dell in this area."
[20:55:37] <waynerr__> so its save :D
[20:56:00] <kdavy_> and how exactly can't it match Dell? Is the usb port v1.1 or something?
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[20:57:09] <waynerr__> something about sd-card on the dell one
[20:57:16] <waynerr__> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/servers/360022/fujitsu-primergy-rx300-s6
[20:57:20] <kdavy_> oh, same thing
[20:57:25] <waynerr__> "The PowerEdge R710 supports both USB and SD card media, and for the latter Dell has enhanced its servers to include a pair of internal slots providing boot media redundancy."
[20:58:02] <waynerr__> but this way i can save to buy disk-controllers and disks for citrix nodes
[20:58:16] <kdavy_> aha, got it. RAID across sd cards is nice indeed, but not critical
[20:58:23] <waynerr__> yep
[20:58:42] <waynerr__> its not something i really need, iam fine with one usb-stick
[20:58:43] <kdavy_> you could also boot from iScsi or FC, that's what i'm doing
[20:59:30] <kdavy_> because if your storage fails you're down regardless - so might as well
[20:59:30] <waynerr__> i have that in mind allready, i just dont wanna overwhelm the guys here in germany yet lol
[20:59:46] <waynerr__> storage is ha, too
[21:00:03] <kdavy_> ha doesn't mean it's fail-safe
[21:00:31] <kdavy_> when a fail-safe system fails, it fails by failing to fail safe :-P
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[21:02:34] <kreign> kdavy well i have concluded at this piotn that my problem is NOT ZFS itself, per se (and may eb GEOM or simply FreeBSD's awesomeness)
[21:02:49] <kreign> have gotten it to 'hang' now at three different points
[21:03:07] <kreign> just so happened that zfs load + geom moutn root coincided with that 'point in time'
[21:03:09] <waynerr> fail-save systems allways have flaws, but atm its save enough to assume i can reach the first 9 behind the comma now :D
[21:03:37] <waynerr> so i can but out 99,9 in the next year instead of 99,8 :D
[21:05:13] <waynerr> put instead of but*
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[21:07:55] <kreign> waynerr, pretty much.
[21:08:00] <kreign> lack of redundancy sucks for all sorts of reasons.
[21:08:14] <kreign> "Ask me how I know"
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[21:09:14] <kreign> I like this blog: http://blog.desudesudesu.org/?p=1563
[21:09:43] <kdavy_> :)
[21:10:05] <kdavy_> what the fuck is weeaboo porn?
[21:10:44] <kdavy_> ah...
[21:11:45] <kreign> kdavy you clicke the link didn't you.
[21:11:50] <kreign> kdavy I don't know what it is
[21:11:53] <kreign> but it sounds funny
[21:12:08] <kdavy_> no, i didnt click the link - the first comment to the blog post gave me a hint
[21:12:45] <kreign> heh
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[21:14:49] <kreign> sysinstall: at the end of its lifecycle, being replaced RFQ and RSN, for the past decade.
[21:15:20] <kreign> if I had enough storage to move the backups to temporarily, I'd nuke the thing from orbit and install CentOS or Debian.
[21:15:29] <kdavy_> yeah...
[21:15:34] <kreign> I mean, seriuosly
[21:15:46] <kreign> mdraid1 > geom mirror
[21:15:49] <kreign> no question
[21:15:58] <kreign> (because reads actualyl are striped)
[21:16:09] <kdavy_> coincidentally i just got a spam from Symantec titled "Is your business prepared for disaster?" - i wonder if that's an ad or a threat
[21:16:26] <kreign> xfs on mdraid10 is still close to ZFS non-ZIL with a similar configuration.
[21:16:35] <kreign> kdavy both.
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[21:16:43] <kreign> this IS symantec we're talking about
[21:16:48] <kreign> hostage taker of servers
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[21:17:27] <kreign> "uh uh don't be unintalling, mon... we be tellin' you you need arrrr product, and ye sure enough do, else your servers be slagged by registry matters!"
[21:17:45] <kreign> ^ peg leg bob norton
[21:18:49] <Tenju> you know you love symantec and its entire suite of products
[21:18:52] <Tenju> they are the bes tin the world
[21:19:03] <Tenju> where would you be without backup exec?
[21:19:16] <kdavy_> ok, BE i can deal with
[21:19:29] <kreign> Tenju, in tijiuana drinking.
[21:19:35] <kreign> or however it's spelled.
[21:19:43] <kreign> Tenju, BUE is the biggest pile of slag. Seriously.
[21:19:51] <kreign> Acronis has some good product in that department, IMO
[21:19:58] <kdavy_> kreign, no, you spelled "drinking" correctly, no worries
[21:20:10] <kreign> kdavy yeah, doesn't matter much where that's done, doesi t... :P
[21:20:13] <Tenju> I know :) i started as a sysadmin fixing the the 200failed jobs across a domain
[21:20:25] <kreign> pretty much same.
[21:20:29] <Tenju> then they hired someone and i told him enjoy and started working on Citrix
[21:20:46] <kreign> heh
[21:21:03] <kreign> yeah, I got fired because I was making friends with the wrong people, and it threatened my manager
[21:21:12] <Tenju> rofl
[21:21:17] <kreign> she asked, "are the backups all up to date?" two days before firing me
[21:21:24] <Tenju> Ha!
[21:21:27] <Tenju> they aren't now
[21:21:28] <kreign> I told her "yes' even though the tape drive had shit out that morning
[21:22:08] <Tenju> i know for a fact that the Backup admin where i was sends an email every day saying all backups completed succesfully
[21:22:18] <Tenju> even when not a single one is successful
[21:22:34] <kdavy_> Tenju, are you sure it isn't a script?
[21:22:34] <kreign> they spent about a week trying to figure out why "the network was broken"... people weren't useing their domain logins but the local admin accounts on most systems (which had not been disabled)... so I went and did that that afternoon.
[21:22:47] <Tenju> he personally would send it
[21:23:07] <kreign> yeah
[21:23:12] <Tenju> I knew what actually did back up because i still had access to the system to setup my own things
[21:23:14] <kreign> I fond a script here that did that
[21:23:21] <kdavy_> lol
[21:23:25] <Tenju> that is hilarious
[21:23:51] <kreign> at 6am it kicks off and does: "All backups completed successfully and verified" | mail -s "Backup Status" sysadminsaddress at ourdomain dot com
[21:24:09] <kreign> er, prefix with "echo"
[21:24:13] <kreign> and put it in cron
[21:24:43] <kreign> that was at the tail end of a script which grepped through root's maillog for backup failures
[21:24:57] <kreign> guess where email on backup status was NOT being sent?
[21:25:26] <kreign> the mailstorm that occurred when I fixed the MX entry was not pretty
[21:26:13] <Tenju> rofl
[21:26:51] <kdavy_> heh
[21:27:12] <kreign> you know what I love?
[21:27:20] <kreign> Linux can't reliably use UFS
[21:27:22] <Tenju> Alcohol?
[21:27:29] <kreign> FreeBSD can't reliably use anything but UFS
[21:27:59] <kreign> I don't know if that's because of UFS or what (shouldn't be too hard, it's just rewritten/borrowed ext2 afaik)
[21:28:07] <kreign> but it is iirrrritating
[21:28:25] <kdavy_> kreign, use NTFS, it kinda works with both
[21:28:44] <kreign> kdavy oh NTFS is tremendous on Linux.
[21:28:50] <kreign> better than on Windows, actually.
[21:29:02] <kreign> kdavy the problem arrises, however, with freebsd.
[21:29:21] <kreign> unless something has changed in the past 6 months it's still shit and doesn't even properly tie into the disk mangement system
[21:29:23] <kreign> it's slow
[21:29:24] <kreign> etc.
[21:29:39] <kreign> kdavy or did you have experience w/ a specific implementation on a specific release?
[21:29:58] <kreign> ntfs was actually my first chocie due to 'portability'
[21:30:08] <kreign> (if we're talking about 'non-native cross-platform filesystems')
[21:30:22] <kreign> hell I think you can even use encrypted NTFS from linux...
[21:31:11] <kreign> (with truecrypt)
[21:34:22] <kreign> kdavy anyway... I seem to recalling reading from a ML at one point, "good ufs/ufs2 support isn't in the kernel because their on-disk structures suck, and short of using their code directly there's little likelyhood of a solid implementation" or some such thing
[21:39:40] <Tenju> grrr auto-logs
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[22:15:51] <f3xy> What file system does xen use to store it's guest VMs?
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[22:16:07] <f3xy> I'm trying to determine what stripe size I should use for my raid
[22:16:36] <f3xy> for XenServer 5.5
[22:20:16] <kdavy_> f3xy, stripe size should be determined by the VM workload, XenServer itself could care less
[22:20:42] <kdavy_> argh. what is up with all those BS tickets that make it to my queue
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[22:48:07] <kreign> boss is now bitching at me to get the host up RFQ
[22:48:20] <kreign> tempted to just install a bare install of "something" and provide him /dev/null as the target
[22:48:57] <kreign> considering how well he pays attn to details I doubt he'd notice.
[22:51:08] <kreign> f3xy, what will the VMs be and what will they be dong
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[23:27:59] <kdavy_> GET TO DA CHOPPAH, NOW!
[23:28:47] <JarianGibson> kdavy_: where we going?
[23:29:04] <kdavy_> Tijuana
[23:29:09] <JarianGibson> let's go
[23:29:26] <kdavy_> alright, i'll pick you up
[23:29:32] <JarianGibson> i'm in omaha
[23:29:35] <kdavy_> how's everything?
[23:29:47] <JarianGibson> good and busy. how about you?
[23:30:11] <kdavy_> alright, definitely busy, but in a good way as well
[23:30:17] <JarianGibson> that's good
[23:31:42] <kdavy_> ok. how do i unpack an .img file
[23:32:58] <f3xy> mount it as a loop device?
[23:33:21] <kdavy_> hm. i renamed it to .iso and winrar opened it just fine
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[23:34:07] <IcePee> Hello
[23:35:13] <kdavy_> this software is pissing me off. it requires SQL 2008 R2 and SQL 2008 CU1 Reporting Services, in addition to like 30 other dependencies. doesn't work with R2 reporting services (bug) and doesn't support SQL 2008 R1
[23:36:05] <kdavy_> in addition to that the client portion of it deploys via ClickOnce and leaves hundreds of megs cached in the roaming profile
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