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[00:06:56] <gnoze5> ello
[00:07:07] <gnoze5> I dont like the letter h..
[00:07:08] <gnoze5> lol
[00:11:27] <IcePee> gnoze5, I shorten it even further "LO"
[00:12:02] <gnoze5> I was just giving a cheap excuse for my bad typing skills
[00:12:19] <gnoze5> IcePee, good advice nonetheless!
[00:13:35] <IcePee> hey, do you know much about XenClient?
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[00:15:36] <kdavy_> XenClient is essentially still in beta for all practical uses
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[00:15:56] <kdavy_> i havent heard of anyone using it in production
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[00:16:07] <gnoze5> kdavy_, really?
[00:16:32] <kdavy_> pretty much
[00:17:18] <kdavy_> i've tried it on a Latitude E6410 - it works for the most part, but i wouldn't give it to a customer
[00:20:24] <gnoze5> anyone tried xendesktop 5 yet btw?
[00:20:28] <IcePee> I've been playing with it. But I feel it's hiding it's light under a bushell
[00:21:56] <gnoze5> considering desktop virtualization for a 100 user environment, not sure yet if citrix is the way to go
[00:22:25] <IcePee> Hmm, do you have an alternative?
[00:23:05] <gnoze5> well everything leads me to believe I dont
[00:23:20] <gnoze5> but then again i feel like im biased
[00:23:41] <gnoze5> i played around with xendesktop 4 a few months ago
[00:23:54] <gnoze5> the whole deployment and configuratio seemed a bit messy tbh
[00:24:07] <gnoze5> im wondering if things really changed with 5
[00:26:31] <IcePee> I don't know about Xendesktop as I'm a newbie to all things xen. But with Xenclient they seem to be taking the Apple stance. Lock it all down.
[00:26:53] <IcePee> There's hidden power there and they are hiding it away.
[00:27:05] <IcePee> A little frustrating.
[00:27:17] <gnoze5> hm
[00:27:31] <gnoze5> I do use XenClient
[00:27:34] <IcePee> I've been mucking around in the terminal.
[00:27:38] <gnoze5> but a lot of times i dont need it
[00:28:23] <IcePee> you mean, you're fully connected?
[00:30:06] <gnoze5> I mean its me being lazy
[00:30:18] <gnoze5> xenclient is just a fancy UI
[00:33:06] <gnoze5> for some reason i thought you wrote xencenter
[00:33:08] <gnoze5> im tired sorry
[00:33:29] <gnoze5> i didnt connect kdavy_'s comment to your comment
[00:33:43] <gnoze5> ive only played around with xenclient
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[00:44:31] <IcePee> they need to make it easier to do more.
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[07:45:24] <sanket> hello... I m compiling openmotif 2.2.3 .....required for Citrix ICA client... but I m getting an error of.........../usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXp
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[15:26:55] <tabularasa> kdavy_: epic fail on day 1 of helicopter flying.
[15:27:03] <tabularasa> might have helped if i had the transmitter manual... :(
[15:29:22] <jduggan> you fly helicopters
[15:29:22] <jduggan> ?
[15:29:30] <tabularasa> RC helicopters
[15:29:34] <jduggan> oh
[15:29:42] <tabularasa> i wish i flew real helicopters... :)
[15:29:47] <jduggan> hehe
[15:31:33] <jduggan> on a different subject
[15:31:42] <jduggan> having a real problem with a dl385 g6 lockign up
[15:32:10] <tabularasa> xenserver?
[15:32:13] <jduggan> yea
[15:32:16] <jduggan> no errors to console
[15:32:22] <tabularasa> c-states disabled?
[15:32:24] <jduggan> just hard locks up
[15:32:25] <jduggan> nope
[15:32:29] <jduggan> its opteron
[15:32:33] <jduggan> but all those power features are off
[15:32:33] <tabularasa> oh... heh
[15:32:55] <jduggan> i think in HP land dl380 is intel, dl385 is amd
[15:33:28] <tabularasa> yeah, don't konw much about xenserver though... :-/
[15:33:47] <jduggan> no idea whats going on with it
[15:34:00] <jduggan> ive just ordered a new g7
[15:34:15] <jduggan> wont go into teh pool so will have to run vms standalone
[15:34:20] <jduggan> atleast storage is backed up
[15:36:18] <tabularasa> hurtin
[15:36:30] <jduggan> :\
[15:37:33] <tabularasa> did you call H
[15:37:37] <tabularasa> HP?  sounds hardware related
[15:38:16] <jduggan> not yet - im running non HP memory in it, i ordered straight from kingston in that box so need to swap back in HP only memory and test
[15:38:27] <jduggan> ive ran memtests on it though, no errors
[15:38:29] <jduggan> but who knows
[15:39:10] <tabularasa> yeah, thats tough
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[15:59:03] <derwayne> i do my first tests with 10gbit nics, raid10 citrix and a software iscsi target server atm, do i have to use paravirtualised vms to get full speed out of it ?
[16:00:22] <tabularasa> wow, nice
[16:10:11] <derwayne> tabularasa, here you can read abit about it: http://forums.openfiler.com/viewtopic.php?pid=24460#p24460
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[16:54:20] <kdavy_> derwayne, are you using commercial openfiler or the free/community version?
[16:56:11] <derwayne> kdavy_,  i use the free/community version, i didnt know that their is a commercial variant, from my understand you can just get commercial support
[16:59:41] <kdavy_> derwayne, have you taken a look at Nexenta?
[17:00:02] <derwayne> yes i had but there license model is just awefull
[17:00:02] <kdavy_> community edition also supports iScsi targets, and it's free up to 18Tb
[17:00:21] <derwayne> but not ha features for free which you can set up your own
[17:00:48] <kdavy_> derwayne, i have two Enterprise Gold deployments of nexenta so far (one for primary site, one for DR site); primary one has clustered head nodes
[17:01:01] <derwayne> its still to expensive for what you get imop
[17:01:06] <kdavy_> it's not free, but well worth it compared to an enterprise san
[17:01:39] <kdavy_> my licensing was $15k for a fully redundant setup
[17:02:03] <derwayne> yeah and then citrix isnt supported so both vendors blame each other when something goes wrong ?
[17:02:31] <kdavy_> citrix is supported. nexenta even has storagelink
[17:03:25] <kdavy_> but anyway, i had different requirements - all my storage needs to be Fibre Channel, and you cant do that with openfiler
[17:03:51] <derwayne> i use sfp+ / ethernet connections atm
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[17:05:49] <kdavy_> yeah, makes sense
[17:06:39] <kdavy_> half the stuff in nexenta is broken anyway, though the stuff i use it for works great
[17:07:04] <derwayne> lol and then these insane license costs ...
[17:07:29] <derwayne> i just hope for you ha-cluster does work when a disk fails on the active node :o
[17:07:46] <kdavy_> CIFS is broken, dedup is FUBARd, reporting on a per-LUN basis has never shown any signs of life, and neither has the SMART plugin :)
[17:08:24] <kdavy_> "when a disk fails on the active node" - huh? you mean the root volume or one of the data drives?
[17:09:14] <derwayne> doesnt matter really, when i do the same with a linux machine and heartbeat v1 clusters the passive machine doesnt take the services over as the active node still answer pings
[17:09:51] <derwayne> another contrapoint for nexenta was the used underlying distro
[17:09:58] * derwayne has to go, i have more  time later
[17:10:05] <kdavy_> derwayne, there are 3 types of quorum in HA Cluster - disk, network and serial. disk quorum is primary
[17:10:11] <derwayne> iam allready 10min to late my gf gonna kill me :p
[17:10:14] <kdavy_> hehe
[17:10:48] <derwayne> iam able to continue to read at home, as my system there is logged on
[17:10:59] <derwayne> kdavy_, catch ya later
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[17:56:48] <kdavy_> lol wtf. the new Intel 510 ssd is worse than the old X25M G2 at nearly everything
[17:58:11] <kdavy_> #fail
[17:59:44] <Appiah> less space? less speed? higher cost?
[18:00:26] <kdavy_> less IOPs, higher cost
[18:00:34] <Appiah> is not G2 another series
[18:00:41] <Tenju> more space?
[18:00:54] <kdavy_> the only thing it's good at is streaming workloads - useless for anything enterprise
[18:01:00] <kdavy_> nope, less space too
[18:01:11] <Tenju> zomg
[18:01:43] <Tenju> i would think they would try for more space just to get people to buy it for those who have no idea what IOPs is
[18:01:44] <Tenju> ya thats major fail
[18:01:47] <kdavy_> wait no, it has a 250gb version, so more space. but still useless
[18:02:23] <Appiah> ye ... a SSD disk , so useless
[18:02:27] <Tenju> i don't think i'll be diving into SSD until it gets to $1 per gig
[18:02:39] <kdavy_> and it costs the same per gig as OCZ Vertex 3 Pro, which is 10x faster at least
[18:03:07] <Appiah> What's the diff between the Intel xxx SSD and Intel X## G# ?
[18:03:16] <Appiah> G3 is out soon right
[18:03:42] <kdavy_> no, the 510 Series is technically the G3
[18:03:48] <Appiah> oh
[18:03:53] <Tenju> don't say that davy
[18:04:00] <Tenju> don't crush the dream!
[18:05:54] <Appiah> =(
[18:07:39] <kdavy_> :)
[18:08:51] <Trixboxer> Hi, in xenserver is it possible to have two management  IP's ?
[18:08:58] <Trixboxer> one public and one private ?
[18:08:58] <kdavy_> nope
[18:09:26] <kdavy_> the management IP is like Highlander: there can be only one
[18:09:33] <Trixboxer> :)
[18:09:35] <Trixboxer> ok
[18:09:56] <tabularasa> heh
[18:10:20] <Trixboxer> so I must keep a monitoring server in same rack to connect cloud using xencenter
[18:10:30] <kdavy_> or you could NAT it
[18:10:59] <Trixboxer> yeah
[18:11:08] <Trixboxer> I think thats better
[18:11:11] <waynerr> just get a monitoring server, its all opensource and when something goes wrong get a notification :o
[18:11:21] <waynerr> email, sms, instant message
[18:12:06] <Trixboxer> waynerr: my problem is not monitoring server, its both cloud and monitoring server being in same rack to have a pvt connectivity
[18:12:21] <Trixboxer> using NAT I can separate the racks
[18:13:58] <waynerr> why not use site-to-site vpns over different racks/locations ?
[18:14:13] <waynerr> instead of services on public ips
[18:15:33] <Trixboxer> public ips with proper firewall is better for me.. VPN is an alternative
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[19:27:46] <waynerr> me was bored: http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1070/xen50vmsonenode.png
[19:32:47] <kdavy_> waynerr: nice
[19:33:09] <kdavy_> i should try the same with one of my 64Gb hosts
[19:33:28] <kdavy_> see how many Windows 95 instances i can create :)
[19:33:33] <waynerr> :D
[19:35:12] <waynerr> all the vms are on a software iscsi server ( openfiler ) that only has a small raid-10 ( 4x250gb disks )
[19:35:58] <waynerr> and most amazing the offload engine works
[19:36:26] <waynerr> so instead of having high cpu load on the dualcore, i get max around 1.xx 1.xx 1.xx load on the machine
[19:36:39] <waynerr> most work is done by raid-controller and the 10gbit nic
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[19:47:16] <gnoze5> yellow
[19:48:01] <gnoze5> for a hosted vdi solution with xendesktop can windows 7 professional licenses be used as long as they are through volume licensing?
[19:52:47] <gnoze5> or is it SA that makes the difference?
[19:54:16] <kdavy_> gnoze5, your customer has to own the Windows 7 licenses and they have to be running on dedicated hardware
[19:54:58] <kdavy_> Microsoft does not allow service providers to use the SPLA volume licenses or even SA for that purpose
[19:55:01] <gnoze5> my customer owns windows 7 licenses
[19:55:03] <gnoze5> but its a non profit
[19:55:09] <gnoze5> they were given the licenses
[19:55:19] <gnoze5> im just wondering if they have software assurance or not
[19:56:18] <kdavy_> as long as they own them they don't need software assurance. but they won't be able to update to Windows8 without it once it is released
[19:58:25] <gnoze5> to user xendesktop for vdi they wont need SA?
[19:59:24] <gnoze5> the update i dont think is a problem
[19:59:41] <gnoze5> because apparently whenever they ask for new licenses microsoft donates them
[19:59:51] <gnoze5> my question is if we need to talk to MS or not
[20:00:00] <kdavy_> Hed6eH0g
[20:00:00] <gnoze5> or just use the current licenses
[20:00:10] <kdavy_> oops
[20:00:13] <gnoze5> lol
[20:02:26] <kdavy_> no i dont think you need to talk to MS
[20:03:37] <gnoze5> good
[20:03:44] <gnoze5> because thats always an unpleasant experience
[20:03:56] <gnoze5> lolo
[20:05:58] <gnoze5> hm
[20:06:01] <gnoze5> but now im wondering
[20:06:05] <gnoze5> if hosted vdi is the best solution
[20:06:27] <gnoze5> because i need a license for the vm plus a license for the desktop that is accessing that vm
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[20:12:01] <gnoze5> they do have windows xp
[20:13:05] <gnoze5> old licenses
[20:13:05] <gnoze5> hm
[20:14:02] <tabularasa> Can't wait to check out Windows Thin PC
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[20:34:51] <gnoze5> kdavy_ if i want to repurpose a desktop for desktop virtualization, if I want the user to be able to access the same vm from that desktop and from ay other device using the citrix receiver
[20:34:56] <gnoze5> what is my best option?
[20:35:00] <gnoze5> hosted vdi?
[20:37:20] <tabularasa> yeah
[20:38:13] <gnoze5> but then I need an extra license for that desktop, meaning a license for the desktop to be able to access the hosted vm and one for the vm
[20:38:35] <gnoze5> if there was a receiver for linux or something
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[20:38:57] <gnoze5> i could just install linux on all the desktops and lock them to the browser or whatever and user the receiver
[20:39:02] <tabularasa> just get SA on the desktop
[20:39:23] <gnoze5> and then i can use the same license for both?
[20:39:26] <tabularasa> yes
[20:39:33] <gnoze5> hm interesting
[20:39:38] <tabularasa> windows 7 with SA allows you to run as a desktop and a VDI
[20:40:08] <gnoze5> and can I somehow lock windows7 to once the os boots only show the xendesktop xenapp resources?
[20:40:39] <tabularasa> 12:52 < kdavy_> gnoze5, your customer has to own the Windows 7 licenses and they have to be running on dedicated hardware
[20:41:16] <tabularasa> gnoze5: sure, i have mine launch an IE kiosk to the CSG login screen
[20:41:20] <tabularasa> or AGEE screen, if you wish
[20:41:39] <gnoze5> hm
[20:41:46] <gnoze5> that would simplify things greatly
[20:41:56] <gnoze5> do you recycle the hosted vdi each time?
[20:42:00] <gnoze5> or do you keep state?
[20:45:16] <tabularasa> depends on the situation
[20:45:22] <tabularasa> most of my users are 1 to 1 mappings
[20:46:24] <gnoze5> hm
[20:46:41] <gnoze5> im just wondering what i would do with the current fileserver
[20:50:06] <gnoze5> tabularasa are you using high availability?
[20:50:41] <tabularasa> nope
[20:50:59] <gnoze5> do you use network storage?
[20:51:06] <gnoze5> for the vms
[20:51:22] <tabularasa> yeah
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[20:52:29] <gnoze5> for a small solution, like 70 users, would you consider using local storage?
[20:52:43] <tabularasa> 70 users is a lot for VDI
[20:53:40] <kdavy_> gnoze5, i wouldnt recommend local storage for anything more than 10-20 users
[20:54:32] <gnoze5> hm i was looking into the dell r710
[20:56:16] <gnoze5> kdavy_, even if im not using HA?
[20:56:38] <jduggan> the problem with local storage is backusp
[20:56:46] <jduggan> backing up lots of vms is slow when on local
[20:56:59] <kdavy_> gnoze5, do you really want 70 angry users to call you if the server dies, and you having no course of action that wouldn't take hours/days to fix?
[20:57:31] <tabularasa> and throughput for 70 VDIs on a 6 drive raid set?
[20:57:53] <gnoze5> yeah i guess the real argument here is the throughput
[20:57:59] <kdavy_> plus for 70 users you'd need at least 700 IOPs in active spindles - that's 8 15k drives in RAID10 or 10 RAID5 drives
[20:58:29] <gnoze5> hm
[20:58:35] <gnoze5> any storage rcommendations?
[21:00:16] <gnoze5> as in
[21:00:19] <gnoze5> brand model
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[21:02:00] <tabularasa> you'll get all over the board in here
[21:02:05] <tabularasa> we use EqualLogics..
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[21:12:15] <Tenju> kdavy_, I love those IOPs numbers you put up. I know someone who wouldn't listen and is running 500+ users on 28 15kdisk
[21:15:20] <kdavy_> Tenju, heh did that bite them in the ass?
[21:15:41] <kdavy_> well, i bet it did
[21:16:03] <kdavy_> i'm running 500+ users on 120 10k disks and 24 SSDs :)
[21:16:33] <kdavy_> overkill for the current count, but you get the idea
[21:18:19] <kdavy_> what was Splatone running for his SAN - fujitsu? i think that was a pretty cost-effective setup
[21:19:05] <tabularasa> yeah, he has fujitsu
[21:22:25] <Tenju> haha yes, it runs but he occasionally locks up i'm really ruprised it even runs
[21:22:33] <Tenju> suprised.*
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[21:26:38] <jduggan> hmmm, i have about 40 vms running fine on 12 drives 7200rpm
[21:26:46] <jduggan> raid 6
[21:27:04] <Tenju> i love walking into situations where they are like....ya we got raid X
[21:27:13] <Tenju> the whole SAN is being used
[21:27:29] <Tenju> with 15k drives
[21:28:33] <Tenju> kdavy_, really 24SSDs
[21:28:41] <kdavy_> ya we Tenju, yep
[21:28:58] <Tenju> you must have talked the crap outta purchasing to get that
[21:29:02] <Tenju> like we need the IOPS!
[21:29:06] <kdavy_> ssds are used for read+write cache
[21:29:08] <Tenju> what if u users want to run CAD
[21:29:41] <Tenju> cool that must run at crack like speeds
[21:29:44] <Tenju> whats your boot times?
[21:29:48] <kdavy_> Tenju, my entire new SAN (based on Nexenta), SSDs included, cost less than an extra 16-disk shelf for the old SAN
[21:30:03] <jduggan> actually its 14 disks
[21:30:23] <kdavy_> VMs boot in under 15 seconds - Win2003, 2008 R2, anything
[21:30:41] <kdavy_> i havent measured it exactly, but they are flying
[21:31:00] <Tenju> I bet they are you probably have alot of headroom for expansion
[21:31:05] <kdavy_> pretty much the entire working set is cached in SSD; some of it in RAM even
[21:31:20] <kdavy_> yeah, i designed it with headroom in mind
[21:31:38] <jduggan> is it a zfs setup?
[21:31:42] <kdavy_> yep
[21:32:41] <jduggan> how much did it cost you to build ballpark?
[21:32:44] <jduggan> and how many tb?
[21:32:53] <kdavy_> right now i'm seeing 5k read IOPs going to it on average, in real time. out of those ~70% are cache hits from RAM, ~20% are cache hits from SSD, the rest goes to spindles
[21:34:08] <kdavy_> 12Tb usable, ballpark cost $50k
[21:34:34] <kdavy_> but i got really lucky with the FC storage shelves, got them almost for free
[21:34:47] <jduggan> how many vm's do you plan to use on 12TB?
[21:35:09] <Tenju> I wonder how much the EMC equivalent cost haha
[21:35:30] <kdavy_> a couple hundred VMs easy
[21:35:48] <kdavy_> plus expanding storage size is trivial
[21:35:54] <jduggan> yea
[21:36:29] <kdavy_> right now i only have ~50 XenApp VMs on there, plus an Exchange 2010 DAG for 800 mailboxes
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[21:38:23] <kdavy_> and the old SAN (80 spindles, 35Tb usable) didn't go anywhere - i could passthrough LUNs from the old SAN into the Nexenta in order to utilize all zfs goodness
[21:39:02] <jduggan> we spend about 8.5k USD on 11TB useable which we budget 30 virtual machines
[21:39:33] <kdavy_> jduggan, that'd be 7.2k rpm though, correct?
[21:39:38] <jduggan> yea
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[23:06:35] <kdavy_> has anyone played with RES VDX yet?
[23:06:42] <kdavy_> the reverse seamless thing
[23:08:02] <gnoze5> hm
[23:08:06] <gnoze5> i got scared with the storage bit
[23:08:17] <kdavy_> what storage bit?
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[23:08:32] <gnoze5> i cant spend 50k on storage
[23:08:36] <gnoze5> 50k you mean usd btw right?
[23:08:37] <kdavy_> hehe
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[23:09:01] <kdavy_> you can got a decent storage system for 70 users for under $10k, $50k is overkill for you
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[23:09:22] <kdavy_> s/got/get
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[23:09:31] <Tenju> Hey if i want a Thin client to login and automatically launch a specific desktop. I have to join it to the domain and have the Online Plugin point to the DDC's Services Site?
[23:09:37] <Tenju> Trying to configure some Auto Logs
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[23:10:28] <gnoze5> hm
[23:10:31] <gnoze5> under 10k?
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[23:10:34] <gnoze5> hm
[23:10:36] <kreign> tabularasa, you around?
[23:10:36] <gnoze5> thats doable i guess
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[23:10:52] <gnoze5> thats like 140usd per user
[23:10:59] <gnoze5> hm
[23:11:29] <gnoze5> 100 euros
[23:11:51] <gnoze5> what brand has a good quality/cost ratio?
[23:11:53] <gnoze5> emc?
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[23:13:18] <Tenju> kdavy_, think you could help me out on a XD question?
[23:13:34] <Tenju> or anyone if available ;)
[23:14:25] <gnoze5> Tenju i wish i could, i just started exploring the idea of virtualizing desktops
[23:15:15] <Tenju> NP its one of those i think i got it right but just never had to use it before type questions
[23:15:31] <Tenju> XD is always fun customer to customer
[23:15:53] <kdavy_> Tenju, yeah you need the services site and passthrough authentication
[23:16:12] <Tenju> Gracias senor, no way around the domain join right?
[23:16:55] <kdavy_> you can skip domain join but then user will have to enter credentials twice - first when logging into thin client, then when logging into XD
[23:17:18] <Tenju> nah the whole thing is to have auto logs
[23:17:38] <Tenju> coo i'll just enforce the " you have to join it to the domain there is no other way " status on it :)
[23:17:58] <Tenju> its a hand full of auto logs
[23:17:59] <kreign> my god freebsd sucks.
[23:18:09] <gnoze5> kreign no it does not lol
[23:18:09] <kreign> suuuuuucks.
[23:18:28] <Tenju> no Windows 3.1 sucks but thats another subject
[23:18:41] <gnoze5> kdavy_ EqualLogic series good idea?
[23:18:45] <kreign> gnoze5, sorry - in certain incarnations, partially disenfranchized from the QA process of the freebsd project, freebsd is awesome (freenas, pfsense)
[23:18:55] <kreign> gnoze5, maybe I should have said the fbsd developers suck.
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[23:19:38] <gnoze5> kreign, lol i know a couple guys who commit often... they dont suck!
[23:19:55] <kreign> gnoze5, dealing with an inherrited fbsd machine that hasn't been rebooted in a year. 7.2-release-p4, using zfs pool 6
[23:20:08] <Tenju> awesome
[23:20:53] <kreign> gnoze5, it hangs directly after "ZFS storage pool 6" and sits there indefinately.
[23:21:25] <gnoze5> kreign zfs, brave, we handle quite a few freebsd servers, BSD in general in fact, excelent.
[23:21:29] <kreign> gnoze5, and the opensolaris module isn't in loader.conf, either (well, it is - it was just commented out by the predecessor)
[23:21:37] <gnoze5> you just need a good sysadmin
[23:21:38] <kreign> gnoze5, yeah, I'm not the 'brave' one.
[23:21:53] <kreign> gnoze5, the previous guy was a 'good' sysadmin
[23:21:55] <gnoze5> in fact you need a very good sysadmin
[23:21:59] <kreign> gnoze5, that's me. :)
[23:22:06] <gnoze5> lolol
[23:22:06] <kreign> gnoze5, just tired of dealing with these cuckold systems.
[23:22:16] <kreign> "fuck it up and leave"
[23:22:24] <gnoze5> but 7.2 hm...
[23:22:33] <gnoze5> if you want i can direct you to a guru
[23:22:37] <gnoze5> im sure he can help
[23:22:56] <kreign> gnoze5, it'd be greatly appreciated. I'm not a fbsd guru, though I like to think I'm at least more competent than my predecessor. :P
[23:23:27] <kreign> been here a year and I've been doing nothing but going from one wtf to the next... really frustrating.
[23:23:45] <kreign> no idea how i've found the time to 'fix it' architectually to the degree that I have. :|
[23:31:27] <kdavy_> hmm this RES VDX thing actually works
[23:31:28] <kdavy_> kind of
[23:31:37] <kdavy_> it seems buggy and raw
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[23:31:51] <kreign> kdavywhat is it?
[23:33:03] <kdavy_> reverse seamless VDI tool
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[23:33:46] <kdavy_> it redirects your local application windows via a virtual channel in RDP or ICA so they appear in your full-screen published XenApp/XenDesktop session
[23:38:40] <kdavy_> only problem is, it doesnt reverse-redirect your drives
[23:39:12] <kreign> heh
[23:39:15] <kdavy_> it's kinda like a circlejerk actually
[23:39:22] <kreign> yeah
[23:39:28] <kreign> that sounds almost useless. :|
[23:39:31] <kdavy_> indeed
[23:39:41] <kdavy_> they want $15/user for it
[23:39:44] <kreign> rdp has done that since, when?
[23:39:51] <kreign> 2000?
[23:40:08] <kreign> kinda a basic requirement imo
[23:40:09] <kdavy_> kreign, no, this is the opposite
[23:40:12] <kreign> gnoze5, you disappear on me?
[23:40:17] <kdavy_> it's REVERSE SEAMLESS
[23:40:37] <kreign> kdavy_, right, so your local app shows up on the server. but making your local drive available on the server?
[23:40:41] <kreign> that's been around forever.
[23:40:57] <kdavy_> kreign, no, the local drive still appears
[23:41:50] <kdavy_> what i've been complaining is, if you're running local apps seamlessly in a remote session, they're kinda useless if they don't have access to the drives on the server itself (network drives or local server drive)
[23:42:07] <kdavy_> or at least that option would be nice
[23:42:16] <gnoze5> kreign still here, trying to wake the guy up lol
[23:47:40] <kreign> kdavyohhhh
[23:47:43] <kreign> yeah
[23:47:50] <kreign> kinda... sorta... what's the point w/o that?
[23:48:03] <kreign> on the other hand the whole idea seems a bit silly in general
[23:48:16] <kreign> anything you're running locally isn't gong to probably run as well remotely
[23:48:28] <Tenju> The Onion has gotten into Virtualization kinda
[23:51:39] <kdavy_> true, but some apps are a pain to get to even run remotely
[23:52:01] <kdavy_> like ones that use LPT license keys for example
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[23:53:40] <kreign> kdavy_ yeah. yet another indication that windows isn't yet a real server OS. :)
[23:53:50] <kdavy_> or graphic intensive ones. or ones that *cough* Adobe CS *cough* prohibit running them on a terminal server
[23:55:17] <kreign> gnoze5, don't suppose you know if it's possible for me to override /boot/defaults/loader.conf in any way... even if i do an 'unload ; load kernel ; boot' it still keeps pulling the modules listed in that file, even if there's no indication in the loader's 'lsmod' that they will be.
[23:55:21] <gladier> cad software... autocad in particular
[23:55:27] <gladier> i foudn to be rather nasty
[23:55:30] <kdavy_> gladier: that too
[23:55:54] <kdavy_> gladier: have you played with RemoteFX for MS RDS Session Hosts yet?
[23:56:00] <kdavy_> in R2 SP1
[23:56:29] <gladier> i dont get time to play with new stuff anymore :(
[23:56:54] <kdavy_> aww
[23:57:06] <gladier> i still haven't had time to touch xa6 properly
[23:57:15] <kdavy_> i've built a new management server on R2 SP1, and using it with RemoteFX now. it's neat
[23:57:46] <gladier> is it a equivelent for HDX? or not up to scratch yet
[23:57:55] <kdavy_> i can almost play flash games in it :) and VNC works much better in vSphere client or XenServer over it
[23:58:23] <kdavy_> no, it's an equivalent for PCoIP - does full screen video capture and encoding instead of operating with GDI sprites





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