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[00:27:49] <JarianGibson> http://www.slashgear.com/ipad-3-this-fall-tips-latest-batch-of-frantic-apple-refresh-rumors-10132439/
[00:27:56] <JarianGibson> wrong window
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[02:53:58] <kdavy> mm kaspersky for citrix servers really does work
[02:54:02] <kdavy> works great, indeed
[02:54:34] <kdavy> i ran a trial on 10 xenapp boxes, gonna deploy to the whole farm soon
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[02:55:42] <kdavy> amazingly enough it is also licensed per server, not per user, but costs the same as a workstation license of Kaspersky
[02:56:25] <kdavy> if you get it under the Business Space Security suite licensing, otherwise it's 10x more expensive
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[04:20:47] <JarianGibson> anyone know if xenapp 6 migration can be used to migrate a xenapp 6 test farm to xenapp 6 prod farm?
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[04:35:00] <jono-> it says the source info is being pulled with MFCOM
[04:35:07] <JarianGibson> makson: yes
[04:35:07] <jono-> i dont think you can do that on 6
[04:35:28] <jono-> its all power shell
[04:36:10] <JarianGibson> yep that is what i am reading. didn't know it could be used that way
[04:36:35] <jono-> what you looking to bring over?
[04:36:50] <jono-> how "test" was it
[04:36:55] <jono-> was it more like "pilot"
[04:37:00] <jono-> as opposed to a test farm
[04:37:21] <jono-> how big is that farm?
[04:37:30] <jono-> was it a well thought out test farm?
[04:37:52] <JarianGibson> well say test farm and i wanted to just dump say load balacning policies and import into prod
[04:38:02] <JarianGibson> it will be a very larger farm
[04:38:40] <jono-> yeah
[04:38:55] <jono-> if it was well thought out
[04:38:58] <jono-> it should scale well
[04:39:24] <jono-> if it was pilot worthy, just roll that prod, unless you were doing crazy shit on it
[04:39:34] <jono-> providing testing aint needed, if you really need that info that bad
[04:39:40] <jono-> if not start from scratch
[04:40:44] <makson> JarianGibson: powershell will do that. I did it messing around the other day when i was playing with worker groups.
[04:41:22] <JarianGibson> ok scratch the migration tool then
[04:41:26] <JarianGibson> thanks
[04:41:41] <makson> JarianGibson:  I think the migration tool is powershell based.
[04:42:12] <JarianGibson> it is but looks like mfcom to powershell
[04:42:17] <JarianGibson> or xenapp 6
[04:44:29] <jono-> yeah
[04:45:30] <jono-> it is just a buncha scripts
[04:45:46] <jono-> learn your powershell and it can all be pulled
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[04:47:13] <JarianGibson> jono-: yep powershell time
[04:47:24] <JarianGibson> i need to chop chop
[04:49:19] <jono-> holy shit xenserver resource links
[04:49:32] <jono-> yay for blog
[04:54:49] <JarianGibson> nice blog
[04:54:55] <jono-> yeah
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[15:17:15] <tabularasa> morning peeps
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[15:39:17] <tabularasa> The Xenapp cloning fucked my IIS....
[15:39:22] <tabularasa> i should have used the tool
[15:39:27] <tabularasa> wonder if i would still have these problems
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[15:39:36] <tabularasa> my WI sites are fubar
[15:40:26] <makson> tabularasa: morning, you didnt use the wizard?
[15:40:28] <makson> what did you do ?
[15:44:40] <tabularasa> these are just my clones without the tool
[15:44:43] <tabularasa> IIS is totally hosed
[15:44:48] <tabularasa> IIS keeps crashing with all these errors
[15:44:51] <tabularasa> really annoying
[15:49:46] <makson> tabularasa: ya.. the tool clears out specific information... on those clones run that tool and see if it clears it up.
[15:49:52] <makson> so your running IIS on the XA servers?
[15:49:56] <tabularasa> yeah
[15:49:59] <tabularasa> WI
[15:50:10] <tabularasa> you think running the tool would clear this up?
[15:51:36] <makson> i would give it a try, i know it clears out a lot of static information and generalizes the system. I would also wack the XML service and re create it. Are you sharing your with IIS port.
[15:52:26] <tabularasa> always
[16:03:08] <makson> might want to look ta re sharing it there is a process for that. something with the cloning process might have messed things up. I would try the tool first
[16:07:59] <tabularasa> yeah, trying the tool
[16:08:19] <tabularasa> nothing wrong with xml sharing, thats fine
[16:08:26] <tabularasa> its IIS itself thats having trouble presenting the page
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[16:09:55] <tabularasa> bft
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[16:11:45] <orrazz> syfm
[16:11:53] <tabularasa> heh
[16:14:36] <tabularasa> did it work?
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[16:21:00] <orrazz> it isn't stuck auto refreshing .. just gives a 401 unauthorized error
[16:21:09] <tabularasa> even better
[16:23:25] <tabularasa> I feel better that its at least getting to the WI now
[16:24:08] <tabularasa> http://forums.citrix.com/message.jspa?messageID=1536329
[16:24:20] <tabularasa> fix it, bo!
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[16:37:54] <kreign> tabularasa, citrix XML service crashing?
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[16:40:15] <tabularasa> no the services are fine
[16:50:20] <orrazz> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX115407
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[18:25:48] <kerpow> What does XenServer Essentials actually do? I have a single XenServer which I use for hosting a CAG VPX and a few XenDesktop VMs. iSCSI SAN for storage. What would Essentials give me?
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[18:34:08] <tabularasa> Essentials is gone.. they have new versions
[18:34:11] <tabularasa> http://www.citrix.com/English/ps2/products/subfeature.asp?contentID=2300456
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[18:35:49] <kerpow> OK, thanks. How many of those would be of any use with just one XenServer though. I work for a Citrix Partner so I can get NFR keys but not sure its worth it
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[18:36:09] <kerpow> ...my time that is. The keys are obviously free
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[18:38:13] <tabularasa> kerpow: yup
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[18:38:34] <tabularasa> with just 1 server you can get some benefit...
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[18:38:44] <ScottCochran> kerpow I would get a XenServer Platinum NFR just to use the Automated VM Protectection features...  You will need XenServer 5.6 FP1 but the feature is awesome...
[18:38:44] <tabularasa> but, again, its up to you... there is a good feature list on that page
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[18:39:40] <kerpow> OK. is there an in place upgrade of XenServer to 5.6 FP1 from 5.5 (which I'm using) or is it a rebuild?
[18:40:25] <ScottCochran> Im sure you can upgrade but I never do... Are you VMs on a SAN SR or Local SR?
[18:40:26] <kerpow> Some VM protection would be good. Shame that Veeam doesn't work with XenServer. Its great for ESX
[18:40:38] <kerpow> mostly an OpenFiler SAN
[18:41:16] <ScottCochran> Yea love Veeam but not free...  What storage is Open Filer using ?  Local?
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[18:41:35] <ScottCochran> PHD Virtual is the best for XenServer
[18:41:50] <kerpow> a repurposed HP server with SCSI disks. iSCSI connectivity
[18:42:12] <ScottCochran> does everything Veeam does but better in some cases and for XenServer and ESX.....
[18:42:33] <kerpow> huh, I'll try to get a copy of that
[18:42:52] <ScottCochran> kerpow  I am guessing XenServer is installed on different disks than Open Filer is using?
[18:43:06] <kerpow> diferent server all togetehr
[18:43:33] <kerpow> XenServer on a new HP server, OpenFiler on an old server that has good disks and RAID controller
[18:44:13] <ScottCochran> good... Then I just recommended rebuilding the XenServer with 5.6 FP1, takes 10 minutes... Upgrading major releases is a waist of time
[18:44:35] <kerpow> OK, sounds sensible
[18:45:43] <kerpow> and to license XenServer Platinum, do I add the lciense file that I get to the XenServer or to my XenApp/XenDesktop licensing server?
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[18:47:00] <ScottCochran> to the XenApp/XenDesktop license server... XenServer 5.6 FP1 requires an actual Citrix License Server, where before you could just import the license files into XenCenter
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[18:47:49] <kerpow> good, that sounds easier. Looks like I'll get IntelliCache with 5.6 FP1 as well. is that a good feature or just marketing talk?
[18:48:29] <ScottCochran> It's going to be good when XenDesktop supports it
[18:50:02] <kerpow> it makes use of the XenServers local storage though doesn't it? the disks in my XenServer are cheap, nasty SATA
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[18:55:46] <ScottCochran> kerpow I guess it depends how many desktops you plan to deploy per host.  I wouldnt just use this feature on the fly with old servers.  Like any new VDI project you will need to plan the hardware and this would be a new option instead of Provisioning Serer.  The cool thing is that it can be cached to SSD, SATA, and even Memory.  We will see...
[18:56:48] <kerpow> OK. well thanks for answering my question about advanced XenServer features and it sounds like migrating to 5.6 FP1 is a good move. cheers
[18:58:23] <kreign> I really don't understand why anyone would do VDI.
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[18:59:04] <kreign> ScottCochran, iirc 5.6fp1 only requires the license server for the non-free versions; correct?
[18:59:10] <kerpow> kreign - why? Its pretty compelling to me. A lot of probelsm with software running in XenApp environments
[18:59:46] <kreign> kerpow, problems, in what fashion?
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[19:00:28] <ScottCochran> kerpow Never used 5.6 FP1 free edition so not sure but I am guessing you still need one...
[19:00:43] <kerpow> just not running as expected and lack of support from vendors. some software vendors are so lazy and won't support their software running on anything but standard Windows Client OS
[19:02:34] <ScottCochran> kreign  It does solve performance isolation issues need by certain applications.  The combination of XenApp w/ XenDesktop w/ XenClient provides the ultimate flexibility for customers
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[19:02:51] <kreign> kerpow, true enough, I suppose.
[19:02:51] <kerpow> anyway, gotta run, 6pm in the UK so work day is done. my first time on this CitrixIRC. I'm sure to be back regularly. thanks
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[19:03:10] <tabularasa> how did you find us?
[19:03:23] <ScottCochran> kreign Not to mention the applications that are not supported in a terminal server/XenApp environment
[19:03:32] <kreign> due to VDI infrastructure/hardware costs + management overhead seems like the benefit gained over traditioanl desktops + xenapp seems negligible to me.
[19:03:50] <kreign> tabularasa, who?
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[19:04:28] <tabularasa> kerpow:
[19:04:31] <kreign> kerpow, don't get me wrong; I love virtualization
[19:04:39] <kreign> kerpow, and a server-centric IT focus
[19:04:41] <kerpow> from an article written by Jarian Gibson
[19:05:11] <kerpow> XenDesktop 5 with VMware
[19:05:23] <ScottCochran> kreign the Management is ridiculously easier with XenDeskop (or any VDI) over managing thousands of endpoints across different geographic locations
[19:05:43] <kreign> ScottCochran, does XenDesktop do image deltas and/or memory dedup like Parallels Virtuozzo is able to do?
[19:05:47] <kerpow> see ya
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[19:07:08] <ScottCochran> kreign Yes, XenDesktop can do image deltas using Machine Creation Services.  But I prefer using Provisioning Server for XenDesktop
[19:07:52] <kreign> ScottCochran, end result being what?
[19:07:59] <kreign> independent images?
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[19:09:32] <ScottCochran> kreign Pool Desktops.  One image to many desktops. There are no deltas, everything is saved in a user's profile... I dont like used dedicated desktops
[19:10:03] <kreign> hmm
[19:11:41] <ScottCochran> For small environments, maybe under 200 desktops dedicated desktops are okay but it doesnt scale well and much easier to cause corruption of user data.  We extract everything from the desktop including applications and user data, making the desktop more of a container for users to work
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[20:38:52] <tabularasa> anyone around?  still having issues with AGEE and WI.. i can authenticate through the AGEE just fine, but when it hits the WI, it says access denied 401...
[20:39:03] <tabularasa> its like its not passing the credentials through properly
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[20:40:57] <tabularasa> Its like Single Sign-on to Web Applications is broken
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[22:31:00] <gblfxt> ica client logs, everywhere, wtf
[22:33:48] <gblfxt> which is right one, roaming, local or program(86)? :(
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[23:04:48] <tabularasa> Splatone_: have you deployed CSG on 2008 ?
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