[00:00:20] <kdavy_> when you go to the Storage tab of the SR you don't see any disk images?
[00:00:20] <Trixboxer> big mess, I tried to attach the sr from openxenmanager
[00:00:54] <Trixboxer> and it formatted the LUN and ....
[00:00:59] <Trixboxer> lost all disks
[00:01:18] <Trixboxer> you were right, I should have used xencenter ..
[00:01:28] <kdavy_> Trixboxer: yep :-/
[00:01:40] <Trixboxer> xencenter asked me that there is a LUN on storage
[00:01:58] <kdavy_> maybe you should complain to pesadilla, he's the openxenmanager developer
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[00:02:40] <Trixboxer> no complains but will ask for this feature
[00:03:07] <Trixboxer> openxenmgr is a good product but I used it to kill myself
[00:03:55] <kdavy_> Trixboxer: at least it was a test environment... right?
[00:04:03] <Trixboxer> mixed
[00:04:16] <kdavy_> uh-oh
[00:04:28] <Trixboxer> few ppl are going to kick me..
[00:05:55] <kdavy_> Trixboxer: at least you don't run servers for the mob. if that was the case they'd hit you
[00:06:27] <Trixboxer> yeah, will be able to save my a**
[00:07:15] <kdavy_> JarianGi1son: you around?
[00:26:43] <gladier> makson: ping
[00:28:00] <kdavy_> lol everyone wants makson
[00:28:12] <kdavy_> since when did he become so popular? :)
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[00:34:26] <Trixboxer> kdavy_: good night.. thanks :)
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[05:05:58] <makson> yooooooo
[05:06:02] <makson> kdavy_: gladier tabularasa ping
[05:06:12] <makson> sorry guys been busy trying to install a damn toilet the past few days lol
[05:06:15] <makson> it's been a complete mess
[05:06:18] <makson> flooded up stairs.
[05:06:23] <makson> i tried to be a handy man...
[05:06:40] <makson> long story, now main water line outside is broken and won't shut off so can't continue work.
[05:08:21] <gladier> :S
[05:08:24] <makson> tabularasa: u know, i applied a few hot fixes and haven't heard anything after. I'll have to login to check
[05:08:27] <makson> hey gladier , how's things?
[05:08:28] <gladier> sounds like a shitter of a job
[05:08:31] <gladier> *boom tish*
[05:08:34] <makson> hahahahaha
[05:08:45] <makson> gladier: yaaa... i learned a lot though you tube rocks for that stuff
[05:09:26] <gladier> yea i've been replacing taps and fixing toilets around home over the last few days
[05:09:38] <makson> gladier: really lol, what's the odds of that.
[05:09:50] <makson> are you cpvs, or copper for the pipes?
[05:10:13] <gladier> copper i'm pretty sure
[05:15:08] <makson> yah, mine is cpvc issue was the jack bang who built the house put the shutoff valve (supply line) was 1 inch off to the left of the flange so the newer toliets won't fit. have to move the pipe over.
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[14:15:14] <albech> anyone used this howto for Ubuntu guests: http://www.jansipke.nl/installing-xenserver-tools-on-ubuntu-10-04 ??
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[15:08:12] <KaiForce> i've been asked to block smartphone access to Citrix (via eCAG & WI). Is that even possible?
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[16:00:48] <Splatone_> KaiForce: if anything CAG might be able to do it.
[16:01:06] <Splatone_> KaiForce: another option would be to block the carriers subnets.
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[16:04:32] <KaiForce> Splatone_: good idea
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[16:30:21] <Vandamage> Xenapp + Sharepoint 2010??  is there a plugin? or only for Sharepoint 2007
[16:44:06] <kdavy_> makson: have you tried live-migrating the pipe?
[16:46:14] <kdavy_> uhh... my management server is down and i can't find it
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[16:51:42] <Splatone_> kdavy_: whats going on?
[16:53:34] <kdavy_> Splatone_: nothing, my management server crashed and i couldnt find where it was
[16:53:45] <kdavy_> couldnt even find the correct bladecenter
[16:53:50] <Splatone_> kdavy_: physical or virtual?
[16:53:52] <kdavy_> but it
[16:54:00] <kdavy_> 's all good now. physical
[16:54:16] <Splatone_> Lost servers are bad.
[16:55:10] <Splatone_> kdavy_: thats where you get on the switches and track down which mac it was last using and track it down by switch.
[16:55:25] <kdavy_> Splatone_: yeah i was hoping to avoid that :)
[16:59:36] <kdavy_> Splatone_: so my Nexenta is now pushing 20k steady random IOPs
[17:00:43] <kdavy_> i can saturate the front-end fibre links with pretty much anything i throw at it
[17:01:42] <kdavy_> and seems like the only thing capable of saturating the back-end FC/SAS links are the actual storage controllers
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[17:08:20] <Splatone_> kdavy_: wow thats awsome.
[17:09:37] <Splatone_> kdavy_:My current array will turn into dumb storage when I get mgmt to move forward with nexenta.
[17:10:03] <Splatone_> kdavy: what was total price for nexenta dual head not including physical storage?
[17:10:08] <kdavy_> Splatone_: are you going to build a two-node cluster?
[17:10:17] <Splatone_> kdavy_: yea.
[17:10:51] <kdavy_> Splatone_: i paid $15,600 in licensing for 16Tb two-node
[17:11:05] <Splatone_> frontend and backend will be 8Gb FC
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[17:11:34] <kdavy_> that includes $1600 in phone support for HA Cluster - they won't allow you to buy that plugin without at least 1 day of implementation consulting
[17:12:10] <Splatone_> kdavy_: nice.
[17:12:18] <kdavy_> normally they'll try to sell you two days of phone or on-site support if you buy HA Cluster
[17:12:33] <Splatone_> so when you tested it the HA setup did you pull the power while moving data and see what happend?
[17:12:53] <kdavy_> Splatone_: well... their HA isn't really active-active
[17:13:03] <kdavy_> it's failover clustering of volumes
[17:13:31] <Splatone_> kdavy_: So one of the two nodes is performing the raid xor functionality..
[17:13:57] <kdavy_> i.e. you can have both cluster nodes active with one volume each, and if one of the nodes dies the volume would failover to the other node. failover takes about a minute
[17:14:26] <Splatone_> kdavy_: wow that long..
[17:14:48] <kdavy_> Splatone_: it depends on the number of disks. in my case it takes that long because i have 120 drives
[17:14:51] <Splatone_> kdavy_: how about data thats stuck in the cache on the failed box?
[17:15:03] <kdavy_> Splatone_: in read cache or in write cache?
[17:15:13] <Splatone_> kdavy_: wow you expanded that single lsi shelf out..
[17:15:24] <Splatone_> kdavy_: write cache.
[17:15:36] <kdavy_> Splatone_: yeah i got six 3U FC shelves in addition to that
[17:15:48] <Splatone_> kdavy_: which vendor?
[17:16:01] <kdavy_> write cache is on an SSD which belongs to the volume, so the second node will pick it up
[17:16:32] <Splatone_> kdavy_: so write cache that written to the SSD get written on both boxes at the same time?
[17:16:33] <kdavy_> Splatone_: Xyratex. i got them for $275 each, with 16 146Gb 10k drives, redundant PSUs and ESMs :)
[17:16:57] <kdavy_> Splatone_: no, you'll need a separate cache drive per volume
[17:17:35] <Splatone_> kdavy_: so if you unplug one box and cause a failover the data on the SSD is lost?
[17:17:52] <kdavy_> Splatone_: no it's not... if your ssd is on shared storage
[17:18:20] <kdavy_> i have my SSDs in the LSI shelf
[17:18:25] <Splatone_> kdavy_: right right... so write cache doesnt sit in memory.
[17:18:49] <Splatone_> on those xyratex shelfs do they have fc disks or sas disks?
[17:18:51] <kdavy_> for synchronous writes it doesn't, for asynchronous it does unless you force it not to
[17:19:03] <kdavy_> Splatone_: FC disks
[17:19:40] <Splatone_> kdavy_: why does failover take so long?
[17:20:24] <kdavy_> because of SCSI
[17:21:05] <Splatone_> kdavy_: Interesting.
[17:21:32] <kdavy_> the whole "release SCSI-3 reservation on one node, wait, synchronize the cluster, import drives on the other node, wait, lock the drives with SCSI 3, import zfs volume" process isn't instant
[17:21:35] <Splatone_> kdavy_: my current box takes about half a second to kick over.
[17:22:15] <Splatone_> kdavy_: ah so the opensolaris ha disk reservation system eats up some time.
[17:22:37] <Splatone_> kdavy_: disks are cheap :) http://www.scsi4me.com/hitachi-hus103014flf2r0-146gb-10k-rpm-fibre-channel-fc-hard-drives.html?osCsid=65b4c10090f767c27c307bb3c7f1d2d5
[17:22:38] <kdavy_> Splatone_: it must be using a different algorithm... probably yours actually is active-active, whereas nexenta is failover-ish, like windows failover clustering
[17:23:16] <kdavy_> Splatone_: well... i got the entire FC shelves filled with disks for $275 each
[17:23:37] <Splatone_> kdavy_: My box is active/standby for the raid functionality but active/active for the FC lun presentation.
[17:23:50] <kdavy_> ah, ok
[17:23:50] <Splatone_> kdavy_: thats not a bad deal at all..
[17:24:01] <Splatone_> kdavy_: Im guessing no warrant?
[17:24:06] <Splatone_> warranty?
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[17:24:20] <kdavy_> Splatone_: yep. they came from an old Schlumberger compute facility
[17:24:45] <Splatone_> kdavy_: nice.
[17:24:52] <Splatone_> kdavy_: not a bad deal at all.
[17:25:34] <kdavy_> Splatone_: i know. made me happy
[17:26:25] <Splatone_> kdavy_: was it a auction?
[17:26:54] <kdavy_> Splatone_: nope, got it from some guy that does IT recycling
[17:28:31] <kdavy_> i don't think he knew what he was doing though, these shelves are worth a few grand a piece
[17:28:52] <kdavy_> this is the exact same model for example, same drives, also used: http://cgi.ebay.com/Xyratex-RS-1600-FC-16-146GB-15K-512MB-Raid-Loopback-/150183634046?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item22f7a4647e
[17:29:18] <Splatone_> wow.
[17:29:19] <kdavy_> ah except it's 15k and mine is 10k, but that doesn't matter too much
[17:29:48] <Splatone_> kdavy_: yea 275 seems like a bargain.
[17:30:03] <Splatone_> kdavy_: 4Gb fc?
[17:30:29] <kdavy_> 2Gb, but you can have 4 FC links to each enclosure
[17:32:15] <kdavy_> i put FC switches between the shelves and the storage controllers for more throughput
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[17:55:24] <makson> what the hell is that
[17:55:29] <makson> oops lol
[17:55:34] <makson> stupid up arrow.
[17:56:23] <kdavy_> ?
[17:57:12] <makson> kdavy_: yah, wish there was live migration for the water pipe. what a mess installing this toilet.
[17:57:29] <makson> kdavy_: how's things?
[17:57:38] <kdavy_> hmm that reminded me
[17:58:15] <kdavy_> i need to take a xenserver out of the pool before IBM replaces the motherboard on it - the mac addresses of the NICs will change
[18:00:47] <kdavy_> bbl, IBM already on its way
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[18:57:43] <tabularasa> makson: you around?
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[18:58:00] <tabularasa> black screen issue.. XA6... talk to me...
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[20:31:43] <kdavy_> hmm is anyone using McAfee MOVE?
[20:32:06] <kdavy_> $230/hypervisor for antivirus that will protect VMs - not bad
[20:38:54] <deepheat> hi. i dont know xenserver too well, so my question is: if i want to set up IaaS cloud infrastructure with xenservers and i want to have advanced management tools and HA and other cool stuff, do i need to have installed expensive (lets say Platinum) edition of xenserver on every host, or i can have free xenservers on hosts and i just use platinum edition on couple of servers for management of entire infrastructure?
[20:39:27] <kdavy_> deepheat: you need to license every server with the expensive license
[20:39:34] <kdavy_> can't mix and match within one pool
[20:42:15] <deepheat> isnt that too expensive? for like 50 server you need to pay 1/4 of a million
[20:43:57] <kdavy_> deepheat, vmware is even more expensive :-P
[20:44:55] <kdavy_> if you can't afford the software + hardware, you cant really build a cloud now, can you?
[20:45:25] <kdavy_> of course you can use open source xen and write all the advanced management stuff and HA yourself
[20:45:39] <deepheat> sure
[20:45:56] <deepheat> and i think most of cloud providers will do that
[20:46:12] <deepheat> nobody is so insane to pay that much
[20:50:00] <kdavy_> deepheat: i work for a cloud provider and use xenserver platinum
[20:50:32] <kdavy_> you should look into CSP - Citrix Service Provider Agreement
[20:57:54] <deepheat> yea but csp is just for reselling
[20:58:55] <kdavy_> deepheat: no it isn't, it's specifically for hosting providers
[20:59:29] <kdavy_> you pay for what you and your customers actually use in any given month
[20:59:42] <deepheat> sure, for offering monthy subscribtions for desktop and app
[21:00:05] <kdavy_> yep, so why doesn't it work in your case?
[21:01:22] <makson> tabularasa: u there?
[21:01:33] <deepheat> if you want offer iaas, you just need xenservers nothing else, for your infrastructure. im not interested in anything else.
[21:01:46] <deepheat> want to*
[21:01:49] <makson> tabularasa: black screen fix was client side fix in 12.1 client I beleive as well as a specific hot fix. let me look in my email for it.
[21:02:53] <makson> tabularasa: http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX126291.
[21:02:56] <makson> limited release
[21:02:59] <makson> tabularasa: ^^^^^^
[21:04:16] <kdavy_> deepheat: yeah, and you can get just XenServer as CSP
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[21:18:59] <deepheat> kdavy_: is there a cap on payable amount or you are paying for the software for the next 100 years?
[21:19:23] <kdavy_> deepheat: there is no cap, you pay monthly for what you use
[21:19:59] <kreign> and if you don't pay they destroy your data
[21:20:17] <kdavy_> if you want a cap, you buy up-front and pay for software maintenance/updates yearly. it's up to you to decide what is cheaper
[21:20:22] <kreign> send a guy named Vinnie over with a hammer
[21:20:41] <kreign> (I missed the first half of this conversation, obviously.)
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[21:21:31] <kdavy_> ok can someone explain to me why XenServer is showing "0 out of 0 paths active" on my new LUNs? :)
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[21:28:47] <kreign> kdavy, does it have something to do with epic failure? :|
[21:29:02] <deepheat> kdavy_: what cloud services does you company provide? mainly desktop and app or mainly iaas?
[21:29:10] <kdavy_> kreign: no, it's working fine and multipath -ll
[21:29:28] <kdavy_> multipath -ll shows two paths
[21:34:54] <kdavy_> deepheat: a bit of both - we focus on desktop+app, but since we host everything for clients, we do back-end iaas as well
[21:39:00] <kdavy_> goddammit. the new blade that ibm replaced today is only seeing 8 out of 12 ram sockets populated
[21:39:12] * kdavy_ doesn't want to go to the datacenter again
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[21:45:08] <helmut_> hi @ all
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[21:53:08] <helmut_> by ;
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[21:56:53] <Trixboxer> kdavy_: Hi, wasp ?
[22:00:39] <kdavy_> Trixboxer: not much
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[22:09:36] <tabularasa> makson: yeah, that didn't work for us
[22:09:39] <tabularasa> hotfix 7
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[22:11:00] <helli127> hi @ all
[22:12:50] <helli127> anyone in here install cag 5 and integrate the OWA Excahnge 2010 in thel logon screen?
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[22:37:51] <EdwinH> Is there a possibility to trick Installation Manager? I have a path in about 200 packages. I dont want to use pakageutil.
[22:39:10] <EdwinH> Using a hostfile to redirect to another file server with the same shares?
[22:39:22] <EdwinH> just for a migration moment
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[22:40:35] <EdwinH> Is that possible?
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[22:43:13] <kreign> EdwinH, maybe; what kind of file/host lookup is being performed?
[22:48:52] <Splatone_> tabularasa:http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX121759
[22:52:41] <EdwinH> kreign; what we are trying todo is to tric the installation manager to go to another server so we edited the c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts to redirect it to another file server where the same shares are available
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[22:53:18] <EdwinH> I need to keep de installation in the same net because the wan link is to small
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[23:04:26] <kreign> EdwinH, I don't even know what kinda software we're talking about here. I'm assuming it's using some sorta key or it's hardcoded somewhere; it may even have the IP statically assigned based on initial lookup, who knowws....
[23:04:37] <kreign> i've done simiar things for other services.
[23:04:45] <kreign> (on a temporary basis, mind you
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