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[00:12:29] <dfg> hi
[00:13:24] <dfg> when i install citrix presentation server it told me to add a name of citrix licence server
[00:13:28] <dfg> what is that ?
[00:18:55] <gladier> it's the server that you install your xenapp licenses on
[00:21:32] <dfg> so i need to install citrix lisense server before i install citrix presentation server 4.5 ?
[00:24:32] <dfg> it's include on presentation server 4.5 ?
[00:37:39] <gladier> its on the same media
[00:37:46] <kdavy_> gladier: wassup
[00:37:53] <gladier> not much
[00:38:05] <gladier> spent the last three days with hp repairing our d2d
[00:38:18] <kdavy_> d2d backup?
[00:38:37] <gladier> for them to turn around and go "well we can wipe it and it'll start working or we'll have to spend a week or two figuring out what corrupted"
[00:38:40] <gladier> yea
[00:38:54] <kdavy_> lol
[00:38:57] <kdavy_> that's nice
[00:39:11] <gladier> we ended up wiping it... not impressed in the least
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[00:39:34] <gladier> got a ticket open with hp customer relations about it now ... was a stupid solution
[00:39:38] <mike3> guys, how can I get a VM in Xenserver to boot a floppy image?
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[00:40:28] <kdavy_> mike3, uhh... convert it to an .iso?
[00:40:36] <mike3> been looking, can't find anything
[00:41:58] <kdavy_> mike3: what is your host server hardware-wise?
[00:42:31] <kdavy_> if it has anything like IPMI, iLo, DRAC or IBM Management Console, you could mount the floppy to the host and then pass it to the guest
[00:43:56] <kdavy_> other than that, no clue
[00:48:17] <mike3> i'm getting a virtaul floppy for a vm, then a tool to convert it to an iso
[00:48:19] <mike3> then i'll try booting
[00:48:20] <mike3> :s
[00:48:24] <mike3> see if that works
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[01:26:17] <kdavy_> tabularasa: did you ever get an answer from Dan on Branch Repeater VPX for CSPs?
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[03:26:47] <gladier> kdavy_: what's the qeustion on the branch rpeeaters for csps?
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[05:16:59] <timholum1> has anyone ever go the error the ballooning daemon is not running on citrix xenserver before?
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[15:06:04] <tabularasa> kdavy_: i got no "formal" answer from Dan, even though I followed up with him.  Why don't you shoot him an email also and see if he responds to you
[15:06:59] <tabularasa> gladier: Repeater now comes with XenDesktop Platinum.  We were seeing if it came the same with CSP also
[15:07:22] <Meson> You still have to buy the main unit right?
[15:08:15] <tabularasa> Yes
[15:08:33] <JarianGibson> tabularasa: it's for branch offices for free but main data center will still need to buy appliance
[15:09:26] <Meson> But if you have a lot of users you would still want to buy an applicance for the branch office.
[15:11:18] <tabularasa> Free VPX is nice though
[15:11:49] <JarianGibson> yes but depends on features
[15:11:51] <JarianGibson> needed
[15:16:09] <kreign> goddamn ISPs
[15:16:29] * kreign starts packing his bags for more technolgical climates
[15:18:48] <tabularasa> if you are just doing basic ICA compression, VPX is perfect
[15:19:51] <tabularasa> that fits pretty much all of my customers
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[15:47:16] <JarianGibson> you ever seen issue with 12.1 client and it won't launch published apps? go back to 11.2 and it works fine?
[15:47:35] <tabularasa> XA6 ?
[15:47:46] <JarianGibson> both xa5 and xa6
[15:48:04] <JarianGibson> but it will launch published desktops
[15:48:20] <JarianGibson> windows 7 x64
[15:49:06] <tabularasa> i recall reading a thread about that, but can't remember exactly
[15:49:43] <JarianGibson> i have seen one thread but not much else
[15:50:57] <tabularasa> hotfix 7 on XA6 was support to address that iirc
[15:50:57] <JarianGibson> trying to see if it's just windows 7 x64
[15:51:11] <JarianGibson> will take a look
[15:51:30] <tabularasa> http://support.citrix.com/article/ctx711855
[16:00:30] <JarianGibson> thanks
[16:00:43] <tabularasa> yup
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[16:26:31] <tabularasa> makson: did you get your black screen issue resolved?  freaking just started happening to 2 of my servers
[16:26:36] <tabularasa> tried hotfix 7 and no luck
[16:26:38] <tabularasa> did you do the reg hack?
[16:28:19] <tabularasa> HKLM\Software\ Wow6432Node \Citrix\Logon\DisableStatus=1
[16:28:20] <tabularasa>  ?
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[17:27:12] <brad[]> Hi all
[17:27:17] <tabularasa> howdy
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[17:28:10] <brad[]> When I installed a physical XenServer host I left /dev/sda out of the selection for local repositories - I chose sdb instead... I note there's an unused /dev/sda3 partition but I'm unable to make this into a storage repository because sr-create insists the underlying device is already in use... any ideas?
[17:28:31] <tabularasa> sadly no.. i'm not a XS guy
[17:29:04] <kreign> brad[], nice.
[17:29:12] <kreign> brad[], that sounds like a bug to me.
[17:29:24] <kreign> brad[], does fdisk say anything about sdb?
[17:29:28] <kreign> er, sda3
[17:30:04] <brad[]> kreign: It's partitioned out but contains no filesystem or data whatsoever - even cat/strings/head shows the partition is completely clean of data
[17:30:48] <kreign> partitioned as what?
[17:30:57] <brad[]> type 83, Linux
[17:31:03] <brad[]> it's not a member of an LVM volume group either
[17:31:12] <brad[]> pvdisplay shows only the second drive as a PV
[17:33:13] <gblfxt> more linux people or windows people admin citrix?
[17:33:56] <gblfxt> i keep seeing a mix of philosophies on this channel O.o
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[17:45:01] <kreign> gblfxt, seems to be a roughly even split, from what I can see.
[17:45:08] <kreign> gblfxt, well, actually, probably more windows.
[17:45:18] <kreign> gblfxt, though there are those of us who do both
[17:45:28] <kreign> gblfxt, Windows guys seem to prefer ESXi
[17:45:40] <kreign> my vote is still out.
[17:46:23] <gblfxt> kreign, ah, interesting, yah, noticed some were scared of the command line, and others weren't, i do both
[17:47:34] <kreign> gblfxt, for clarification's sake, I prefer linux and unix, my job description is 'unix engineer' or something like that).
[17:47:46] <kreign> gblfxt, I HATE how the citrix engineers made XS very windows like.
[17:47:56] <kreign> (in design philosophy)
[17:49:56] <gblfxt> kreign, the 'windows-like' makes it more accessible? :)
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[18:01:54] <kreign> gblfxt, the windows-like makes it more brainfucked.
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[18:03:32] <kreign> gblfxt, just little design decisions which make it frustrating to use. lots of 'gotchas'.
[18:11:09] <gblfxt> kreign, the gotchas keep us employed! otherwise the CEO would just set it up himself, lol
[18:11:30] <kreign> gblfxt, I suppose.
[18:11:42] <kreign> gblfxt, it's billed as an appliance of sorts.
[18:12:15] <kreign> gblfxt, unless you have a larger xs infrastructure the management overhead doesn't make sense in many regards (eg. virtualization for the sake thereof)
[18:12:35] <kreign> gblfxt, imo you either run it standalone or in a pool with shared storage
[18:12:50] <kreign> gblfxt, yet it allows for some numbskulled "in between" configurations
[18:13:06] <kreign> gblfxt, it just doesn't feel as finessed as esx in many/most regards.
[18:13:20] <gblfxt> kreign, i just started with xenapp about 3 months ago, im still figuring out how to script everything...
[18:13:37] <kreign> i've not touched xenapp yet.
[18:13:43] <kreign> still on older stuff
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[18:24:04] <DwayneJarvis> Has anyone seen PXE issues with PVS5.61 and XenServer 5.6 fp1 with HP BL 460's and 10gb emulex cards? TFTP Fails with physical pvs and virtual pxe boot
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[18:27:52] <tabularasa> gblfxt: what are you trying to script
[18:28:46] <gblfxt> tabularasa, trying to have vm's create and get licenses on the fly, depending on which user logs in
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[19:19:30] <Seta> hi
[19:19:58] <Seta> Ownage , how are you today?
[19:20:09] <Seta> still busy with the mails etc ...:D
[19:20:44] <Seta> anyone here know much about xen-snapshotting?
[19:21:40] <Ownage> I'm beautiful thanks
[19:22:26] <Seta> so i don't know wether you remember, you gave me some tips on backing up vm's in xen the other day
[19:23:07] <Ownage> alrighty
[19:23:10] <Seta> so i've been testing by : vm-snapshot/snapshot-param-set is-a-temp.=false etc...
[19:23:23] <Ownage> ok
[19:23:28] <Seta> so i succesfully exported the snapshot/vm after that and all is well.
[19:23:50] <Seta> however when i issue snapshot-uninstall, it gives me the message that 3 vdi will be destroyed...
[19:24:04] <Seta> are these the vdi's in use by the vm, or the snapshot ones
[19:24:20] <Ownage> xe vdi-list
[19:24:26] <Ownage> xe vdi-param-list
[19:24:29] <Ownage> will tell you
[19:24:37] <Seta> lemme check
[19:24:41] <Ownage> but basically it should be only snapshot vdis
[19:25:19] <Seta> i'll look into that.
[19:25:43] <Seta> the other question was about expanding the local SR, but then you told me to use a second SR to store snapshots?
[19:26:00] <Seta> but when i issue new sr, i can only select LUN/HBA etc...
[19:26:03] <Seta> not local?
[19:26:21] <Ownage> don't use xencenter for cool things like this =]
[19:26:53] <Seta> do u find xencenter lame as well?
[19:26:55] <Ownage> it doesn't have that option
[19:27:00] <Seta> :D i thought i was the only one :D
[19:27:08] <Ownage> it's nice for what it's for. but I don't use it for anything serious really
[19:27:37] <Seta> i find it annoying how XC seems to hide everything important :D
[19:29:22] <Seta> hmm , but i still don't understand why the vdi's don't get removed if i just delete the snapshot from xencenter...
[19:32:55] <Seta> what do you use to remove snapshots?
[19:33:06] <Seta> snapshot-destroy/uninstall or just gui delete?
[19:33:13] <Ownage> all my snapshot management is done with custom python scripts I wrote
[19:33:17] <Ownage> all via the API
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[19:36:10] <Seta> i see...
[19:36:58] <Ownage> I only use xe for manual things
[19:37:09] <Ownage> like checking something real quick or vm operations
[19:37:20] <Ownage> I don't manually deal with snapshots anymore
[19:41:08] <Seta> i understand that, you probably have some more vms then me :p
[19:43:28] <Ownage> just more time with xenserver I think.. right now I only have like... 30 vms
[19:43:44] <Ownage> but at some times I will have around 400 or so
[19:44:11] <Seta> problem i'm facing is that we have a cloud with +- 200 vms, but this is ESX and not xen :-(
[19:44:20] <Seta> so i'm not so good with xen till now...
[19:44:38] <Seta> and for some reason the implementations of snapshotting ec seem to be very different
[19:46:56] <Seta> mayb a stupid question, but if i issue : vdi-param-list, i get parent: not in database... is it safe to uninstall then?
[19:47:00] <Seta> i suppose so :D
[19:50:30] <Seta> ??
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[19:57:10] <Ownage> sorry what
[19:57:30] <Ownage> that should mean you've removed the relationship
[19:57:36] <Ownage> for example by removing the snapshot
[19:57:40] <Seta> if i issue: vdi-param-list, it shows: parent : not in database
[19:58:07] <Seta> how can that be, it is the same VDI that shows up when i : snapshot-uninstall
[19:58:15] <Seta> it says: the following will be destroyed
[19:58:34] <Seta> and there i see the UUID of the vdi that says : not in database when i issue : vdi-param-list
[19:59:34] <Seta> i don't seem to get all this stuf... sigh
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[20:08:31] <Ownage> pastebin output from xe vdi-param-list
[20:12:08] <Seta> ok
[20:15:32] <Seta> http://pastebin.com/Ap03x4TB
[20:15:48] <Seta> as you can see, i want to uninstall the top snapshot "ASWEB installed"
[20:16:10] <Ownage> do param list on that vbd
[20:17:08] <Seta> i have done that, as you can see in the bottom
[20:17:16] <Seta> there it says : not in database...
[20:17:28] <Ownage> vbd
[20:18:15] <Seta> sorry
[20:19:54] <Seta> output says: vm-uuid= <Snapshot's UUID>
[20:20:16] <Seta> or don't u mean that?
[20:21:03] <Ownage> 90e7d0f0-9424-9717-2fa1-1373a3cc4ea7
[20:21:12] <Ownage> xe vbd-param-list uuid=90e7d0f0-9424-9717-2fa1-1373a3cc4ea7
[20:23:56] <tabularasa> anyone install the ICA client on ubuntu 10.10 x64?
[20:24:23] <Seta> yes lol :) i mean i get the uuid says : the snapshot's uuid, so i suppose that means it's attached to the snapshot right?
[20:24:37] <Ownage> right
[20:24:46] <Ownage> parent doesn't mean what you thought it does in this context
[20:24:53] <Ownage> so all looks correct
[20:24:54] <Seta> so i will uninstall it without issues
[20:25:09] <Seta> i see, can i have your address in case i'm fucked? :p:p:p
[20:25:17] <Seta> no thanks again for the help :D
[20:25:22] <Ownage> n4th4nr1ch at gmail dot com
[20:25:30] <Ownage> also I'm available for freelance work ;-p
[20:25:48] <Seta> no i meant your house, so i can kick your door in :p
[20:25:57] <Ownage> I have worked for some people in here
[20:26:03] <Seta> ok i will keep this in mind, something else, where are you from?
[20:26:07] <Ownage> Los Angeles
[20:26:08] <Seta> mayb we can do business ?
[20:26:12] <Seta> crappppp
[20:26:13] <Seta> :p
[20:26:32] <tabularasa> heh, nice
[20:26:32] <Ownage> where are you?
[20:26:40] <Seta> Belgium ...
[20:26:44] <Seta> so not so close :p
[20:26:47] <Ownage> I love brussels
[20:26:51] <tabularasa> heh
[20:26:54] <Ownage> went 2009
[20:26:55] <Seta> been here a lot?
[20:27:13] <Seta> did you go to north station neighborhood :p:p?
[20:30:36] <Seta> WTF i uninstalled the snapshot, and i have 1% more used space than before that???? WTF
[20:32:35] <Ownage> I went to the center and drank a lot
[20:32:42] <Seta> lol :D
[20:32:45] <Ownage> that beautiful place with the square of buildings
[20:32:53] <Seta> didn't you come to antwerp?
[20:33:00] <Seta> it's better than brussels :p
[20:33:09] <Ownage> nah never heard of it =[
[20:33:30] <Ownage> I was coming from lux, and going to de
[20:33:43] <Ownage> and before that was amsterd. and after was france
[20:33:48] <Ownage> then eng, scot and back home
[20:33:54] <Seta> never heard of antwerp?? lol , it's like the diamond capital of the world :D
[20:34:11] <Seta> hmm holland, i suppose you smoked some holland herbs there :p
[20:34:26] <Ownage> we ate a brownie
[20:34:29] <Ownage> hehehe
[20:34:41] <Seta> rofl :D
[20:34:47] <Ownage> very potent
[20:34:50] <Seta> was it stronger then in the states?
[20:34:59] <Ownage> cost $8 and wiped me and my gf out all day
[20:35:12] <Ownage> yeah for sure very strong
[20:35:18] <Ownage> I don't smoke or anything here
[20:35:20] <Seta> aaah you were with the gf, then you shouldn't go to the north station in bruss. :p:p
[20:35:28] <Ownage> hah
[20:35:37] <Seta> i thought you were on a bachelor mission ;-)
[20:35:43] <Ownage> in meeting so i'm coming and going dont think im ignoring
[20:36:02] <Ownage> some of the amster prostitutes signalled to me and my gf together
[20:36:08] <Ownage> shoulda looked into that =]
[20:36:17] <Seta> no prob, but do you have an id, why i uninstall a SS, and the usage goes up by a %?? ftw?
[20:36:22] <kreign> Ownage, hah yes you shoulda
[20:36:25] <Seta> hmm yes you should :p
[20:36:44] <Seta> but i don't think the gf would like that :D
[20:36:50] <Seta> i know mine wouldn't :(:p
[20:36:54] <Ownage> check the vdi and vdb existing or not
[20:36:58] <Ownage> you on FP1 ?
[20:37:09] <Ownage> older versions may have bug where items are left behind
[20:37:13] <kreign> Seta, I've been working on my wife for 8 years now; she's coming around to the idea. :P
[20:37:19] <Seta> nah, not yet, i must upgrade but can't for at least a month
[20:37:22] <kreign> Seta, not a prostitute necessarily, just you know...
[20:37:39] <Seta> yeah i know it doesn't auto-allocate, but it shouldn't go up right?
[20:38:13] <Seta> yeah , but i don't want to do stuff like that, because if you do she will come around one day asking for a threesome with some bum you don't know...
[20:38:17] <Seta> and then what :p:p
[20:38:32] <Seta> because you can't deny her that if she gave into your wish :D
[20:39:55] <Seta> or can you now?
[20:40:09] <Ownage> depends on the lady I guess
[20:40:20] <Seta> aah wait, is the coalescing not seen directly?
[20:40:36] <Seta> i mean, does it go down after some time? because it dropped now by 2%?
[20:41:09] <Seta> kreign, does she want it herself?
[20:44:20] <Seta> the vdi&vbd don't show up... so i really don't get this sh#t
[20:45:22] <Ownage> are you patched up?
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[20:49:02] <Seta> yup
[20:50:27] <Seta> maybe i should mention this is a free version... but i don't think that matters right?
[20:50:31] <Ownage> afaik fp1 is the first recent reliable one to remove those
[20:50:38] <Ownage> doesn't matter
[20:51:22] <Seta> yes i know i should upgrade but the problem is that i must be there phisically to do this, and that's not an option for at least a month
[20:51:35] <Seta> crapppppppy crap crap :)
[20:53:52] <tabularasa> damn, anyone need a tv mount?  onesaleaday.com
[20:54:44] <Seta> wow 14 $
[20:54:46] <Seta> :D
[20:54:52] <Seta> let's score some
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[21:08:21] <Seta> wtf, if i do :vdi list, i have 24 vdis, but in XEN i c 12...
[21:08:36] <Seta> i'm starting to grow tired of this... '(
[21:08:40] <Seta> :)
[21:13:59] <Ownage> check your vbds for those vdis
[21:14:06] <Ownage> see if they are rogues
[21:15:20] <Seta> nope, but what i did notice just now, is when i take a SS, and then flag it as not template by :snapshot-param-set not a template, the storage shrinks by 7%
[21:15:30] <Seta> is this normal?
[21:15:45] <Ownage> not sure, I don't do that
[21:16:07] <Ownage> also your percent means nothing without reference ;)
[21:16:33] <Seta> i know, what do yu mean you don't do that?
[21:16:58] <Seta> from what i understood the other day , is that i flag it as a .xva, by doing this?
[21:17:12] <Seta> so when i export it, i have the entire vm from a snapshot?
[21:19:42] <Ownage> no
[21:19:47] <Ownage> you understood incorrectly
[21:19:55] <Ownage> export makes it a full vm every time forever
[21:20:12] <Ownage> oh right you're on old version
[21:20:18] <Ownage> so you can only export as template
[21:20:36] <Ownage> ok yeah I remember now
[21:22:09] <Seta> so that's why i need to flag it by is-a-template=false right?
[21:22:16] <Seta> so i can then issue : vm-export
[21:22:33] <Ownage> well you can export it as a template in the first place cant you
[21:22:34] <Seta> bcause if i don't do the snapshot-param-set, i get n error trying vm-export
[21:22:49] <Seta> yes but if i would do that, restore would take longer?
[21:22:53] <Ownage> no
[21:22:58] <Seta> at least in ESX it does
[21:23:03] <Seta> i dunno about xen
[21:23:11] <Ownage> there's no restore like that
[21:23:18] <Ownage> you would export it as a template
[21:23:26] <Ownage> then if you want you can convert THAT template to a vm
[21:23:34] <Ownage> OR you can just do a new one FROM that template
[21:23:45] <Ownage> and in FP1 at least, you have an instant clone from vm
[21:23:45] <Seta> yes and then i would need to import the template, and then deploy vm from template
[21:24:01] <Seta> which will take longer than vm-import entire vm
[21:24:15] <Seta> or atleast i tjink it will, i know in ESX it does...
[21:24:18] <Ownage> its the same you can convert the template after export
[21:24:37] <Ownage> whatever works best
[21:24:40] <Seta> but it comes down to the same thing?
[21:25:00] <Ownage> right, but you're saying you have space issues when converting it
[21:25:11] <Ownage> so I'm saying leave it as is and then convert when you import
[21:25:22] <Seta> no , when i flag it as "not a template" it actually grows smaller...
[21:25:27] <Seta> if i may belive the % :p
[21:25:31] <Seta> belive
[21:25:35] <Seta> believe* wtf
[21:25:39] <Ownage> oh.. well in THAT case.. have at it ;-p
[21:25:48] <Ownage> hard to concentrate whilst in meeting. bbiaf
[21:26:04] <Seta> maybe i'm just getting sleepy and seeing things :p
[21:26:10] <Seta> ok have fun :D
[21:26:14] <Seta> whats the meeting about? :p
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[21:55:02] <Ownage> tasks =[
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[22:02:23] <Seta> hmm do you hev those meetings where there is alot f things being planned and discussed, but nothing really comes out of it ? :D
[22:02:29] <Seta> i have those all the time....
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[22:13:16] <Seta> anyway, have fun with the meeting, and thanks for the help, i may email you sometime if i'm really having crap :p
[22:13:17] <Seta> peace out
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[22:24:25] <Meson> makson or tabularasa are you here
[22:30:01] <tabularasa> whats up
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[22:42:04] <Meson> Where you the one complaining about PVS and XD5?
[22:44:50] <tabularasa> nope
[22:45:51] <Meson> ok, I think it was Makson then. maybe.
[22:47:40] <makson> Meson: yes, a bit ago, JarianGibson was as well. Missing features for instance XD setup wizard.
[22:48:09] <makson> There were a few others KMS wasn't written correctly in the docs that's fixed though woked with there dev staff to sort that out.
[22:49:13] <Meson> Well I found out that XD5 FP1, which will be avail soon, will have the PVS wizard return.
[22:51:22] <mike3> Meson: can we plan on seeing xen supporting os/2 ?
[22:51:28] <mike3> i can't seem to get it to run
[22:51:31] <mike3> and how about dos?
[22:51:34] <Meson> ha
[22:52:03] <mike3> sorry, that was directed at anyone that might know
[22:52:29] <makson> haha
[22:52:34] <makson> Meson: ya, so I've heard.
[22:52:52] <makson> funny FP1 is just enabling features that could have been enabled in the first release had they listend to community feedback
[22:54:33] <kreign> makson, yeah, because it's not like those features have issues or anything.
[23:02:57] <JarianGibson> fp1/sp1 won't be out for a while
[23:03:02] <JarianGibson> wizard will be out soon
[23:33:08] <kreign> in case anyone's thinking of a cheap voip box, ipitomy isn't it.
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