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[01:04:30] <zachb> hey all
[01:08:11] <zachb> I'm new to xenserver, I have two servers running in xencenter and i can make new vm's in the first one (master) but i can not make any in the second one.  Do i need to make a shared storage? any idea?
[01:14:40] <waynerr> when you are in the process of creating a vm you should be able to choose the homeserver
[01:15:14] <waynerr> you only need a shared storage if you plan to move the vms between the servers without interrupting
[01:17:47] <waynerr> ahh i see what the problem is
[01:18:15] <waynerr> you have to make the 'local storage' on the node you want to create a vm on the default storage of the pool
[01:22:56] <zachb> wayneer thanks for the help, i just went into the data center and reloaded xenserver on it and it started working
[01:23:26] <waynerr> i guess your servers are in a pool but have no shared storage right ?
[01:23:44] <zachb> that is correct
[01:23:47] <waynerr> if so you will see only one "local storage" being the "default storage" in xencenter
[01:24:11] <waynerr> that is shown by a black checkmark on the storage in xencenter
[01:25:23] <zachb> I was showing that server1 was the only server with space and server2 was unhighlighted and said it could not see server one
[01:26:15] <zachb> so if i make a new pool with both server1 and server2, i will need to have a shared storage or nfs server to make it work?
[01:26:21] <waynerr> "You have selected storage local to nodename that cannot be seen from this server" in the step homeserver should be the message :D
[01:27:13] <waynerr> you can switch the default storage with the cli afaik
[01:27:28] <waynerr> but to use features like xenmotion, ha you need shared storage like iscsi servers
[01:27:37] <waynerr> i think nfs wont work for it
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[01:29:34] <waynerr> so if you want to bring one vm from one server to the other my method is allways to shut it down make a backup and create a new vm on server 2
[01:30:28] <waynerr> with about 5-10 vms this work in some small time frame with not much downtime ( probably 30min-1h per vm, i use a local connection to the xenserver for the backups )
[01:30:29] <zachb> do you make the new vm on server 2 with your backup file
[01:30:46] <waynerr> but its rather uncomfortable, thats why i head for a x86 software iscsi server soon
[01:30:57] <waynerr> yeah i make my new vm with the backup file from server 1
[01:32:24] <zachb> I have been looking around at back ups, i have not found any cheep options so im starting to write my own. what have you had luck with?
[01:32:56] <waynerr> i use backuppc mostly
[01:34:47] <waynerr> i have a old implentation of bacula, but the system was pretty unstable ( i had no experience with bacula when i created the backup server ) thats why i changed most servers now to backuppc backup
[01:35:23] <waynerr> easy to configurate and recreation is pretty easy, too ( aslong as you can remember how you created the machines you backup in the first place )
[01:36:08] <waynerr> i once had todo a full recreation from the backuppc files and i first recreated a minimal centos basic template on the new virtualisation and then overwritten all files from the backup with rsync
[01:36:21] <waynerr> restart and everything worked like a charm
[01:37:08] <waynerr> but for fast deployment of for example clones i allways use the xen mechanism, they are alot faster
[01:37:48] <zachb> xen mechanism, have not heard of that yet
[01:38:27] <zachb> ow lol, just the xen center api
[01:38:32] <waynerr> exactly
[01:38:51] <waynerr> there are ways to script it even from what i readen ^^
[01:39:33] <zachb> for the most part if you can xen motion, and snapshot all you need a backup for is for DR
[01:40:01] <waynerr> if you have shared storage i would put dr there into
[01:40:52] <waynerr> but i dont know if it is possible to recreate a pool if all servers of it are gone and you only have the underlying storage :o
[01:41:12] <zachb> I just got in 2 dataframe 440, have you ever heard of these old boxs
[01:41:34] <waynerr> no never heard of it
[01:42:43] <waynerr> iam gonna use quite expensive overtuned x86 software iscsi servers ( 3 of them ) to give shared storage to my new xen-cluster haha :D
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[01:43:54] <zachb> nice, do use xenclient at all to access your servers
[01:44:22] <waynerr> yeah i use xencenter, thats what i like about citrix xen ;)
[01:44:54] <waynerr> managing some vms over cli is maybe possible but if your vm landscape has +100vms you not wanna have stupid administration tools
[01:45:26] <waynerr> i must admit i dont like the inbuilded vnc client, for this i use ssh tunnels and ultravnc
[01:45:39] <zachb> not xencenter, xenclient its some thing citrix make its like of like ssh and remote desktop
[01:46:09] <waynerr> nope not yet, i played around with a xenapp installation some weeks ago
[01:46:25] * waynerr want his apps on the android phone :o
[01:46:50] <waynerr> what can i do with xenclient ?
[01:47:13] <waynerr> ahh i see desktop virtualisation ?
[01:47:54] <zachb> i think it is citrix trying to sell a vnc tool
[01:49:03] <zachb> how long have you been playing around with xenserver?
[01:49:32] <waynerr> i have 5 servers running for over 1year now
[01:50:02] <waynerr> played around with it allready some years ago, even played with xen before citrix buyed it
[01:50:19] <waynerr> but i used virtuozzo and vmware in production before
[01:51:51] <zachb> we run mostly open xen, which is a pain. I'm trying to move us over to xenserver.  just taking time learning how citrix works :-)
[01:51:51] <waynerr> i still use an virtuozzo 2-node cluster which runs about 20 vms, i would have to look how long this piece runs
[01:54:43] <zachb> in the free version of xenserver can you add more memory to a vm
[01:55:53] <waynerr> while it runs and it recognize it ?
[01:56:23] <waynerr> i can only remember that virtuozzo was able todo this, but i dont need it pretty often, i can restart :D
[01:57:42] <waynerr> and this last virtuozzo cluster my company buyed runs since 2008
[01:57:57] <waynerr> buyed because i convinced management
[01:58:04] <waynerr> now i hate virtuozzo ...
[02:07:06] <zachb> thanks waynerr for your help
[02:07:07] <zachb> !!
[02:08:08] <waynerr> your welcome, thats what freenode is for :D, after you said xenclient that got me interested in xendesktop again btw :)
[02:14:31] <zachb> last question i promise, have you found a good url to boot iso from (centos if possible)
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[02:23:42] <waynerr> i made my centos vms from iso's
[02:24:02] <waynerr> i only have a pretty old debian link which isnt working anymore, i made a iso for debian once
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[13:04:53] <archstanton43> anyone know where i can get good docs for xendesktop 5?
[13:05:34] <archstanton43> had a scout about and all i can find is the getting started guide and the vid you get with express
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[15:16:57] <Faithful> Hye
[15:17:00] <Faithful> Hey
[15:17:34] <Faithful> I have got issues with BNX2 drivers with Xenserver any one got the heads up on it?
[15:19:02] <jduggan> basically it doesnt surprise me
[15:19:10] <jduggan> lots of reports about bnx on xenserver
[15:19:21] <jduggan> get the latest firmware
[15:19:31] <jduggan> ethtool -i eth0
[15:19:35] <jduggan> see what firmware youre using
[15:19:36] <jduggan> update
[15:19:43] <jduggan> what sort of issues are you having btw?
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[16:41:27] <felvis> hi to all
[16:42:43] <felvis> strange error, can not pick up the network after upgrade from 5.5 to 5.6 fp1
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