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[00:13:20] <jduggan> lol
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[00:36:06] <gblfxt> you just use tricerat for printing?
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[00:50:47] <kdavy_> gblfxt: yes. well, we used it before we switched to xenapp
[00:52:37] <gblfxt> kdavy_: ah, we use them too, seem to work alot better than the citrix printers
[00:54:33] <gblfxt> kdavy: but, our clients have issues alternating between mac and pc desktops with them
[00:54:54] <kdavy_> gblfxt: eh, macs are always an issue
[00:58:15] <gblfxt> kdavy_: oh? what kind of troubles have you had?
[00:58:33] <kdavy_> gblfxt: printing in general
[00:58:42] <kdavy_> i gotta go now, sorry
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[01:59:58] <gm1959> hey folks... I have a pif leftover from a dead sr that I cant unplug or destroy.  How do I get rid of it so I can get rid of the network and vlan?
[02:04:56] <gm1959> or alternatively, how can I force a Dom0 back to totally unconfigured state, like a fresh install?
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[19:40:27] <michal`> hey, anyone with provisioning services experience?
[19:40:38] <michal`> (xendesktop)
[19:40:52] <kdavy> michal`: a bit, though XenApp
[19:41:01] <michal`> can't get it to work and the documentation was written by a drunken jerk ;]
[19:41:19] <kdavy> michal`: yeah, lol
[19:41:23] <michal`> well, i've got a vdisk with golden image
[19:41:52] <michal`> now how do i connect all that parts
[19:42:13] <michal`> even added a device, i click boot on it, says success
[19:42:18] <michal`> and that's all ;]
[19:42:19] <kdavy> as in how do you boot the image?
[19:42:37] <kdavy> do you have DHCP options 66 and 67 set?
[19:42:43] <michal`> from provisioning services console
[19:42:49] <kdavy> are you booting your target via PXE?
[19:42:54] <michal`> yes
[19:43:05] <michal`> wait, even better - that console does not signal xenserver to do anything useful
[19:43:08] <kdavy> what messages do you get on the target boot screen?
[19:43:43] <michal`> well, there's not any target boot screen
[19:44:03] <michal`> provisioning services does not talk to xenserver
[19:44:05] <michal`> at all
[19:44:09] <kdavy> huh?
[19:44:24] <kdavy> it's supposed to. you have something wrong on your network then
[19:44:34] <michal`> i would rather tell, configuration
[19:44:59] <michal`> tell me - i'm suposed to (having vdisk already)
[19:45:05] <michal`> add a device
[19:45:11] <michal`> connect vdisk
[19:45:35] <michal`> and it should than create new VM and boot it, right?
[19:46:12] <kdavy> michal`: no, you create the empty vm, then boot it from PXE
[19:46:21] <kdavy> PVS doesn't autocreate XenServer VMs
[19:46:29] <michal`> ok
[19:46:41] <michal`> so what's that 'device' thing in PVS?
[19:46:45] <michal`> kind of a template?
[19:47:22] <kdavy> 'device' thing in PVS is just a mapping of the vDisk to a machine with a particular MAC address
[19:48:02] <michal`> and what if i'd like to share a vDisk between a few machines?
[19:48:06] <kdavy> so you need to create an empty VM in XenServer, write down its MAC address, create a device in PVS with that mac address, assign the golden image, boot
[19:48:17] <michal`> ah, ok
[19:48:25] <kdavy> michal`: then you'd map several MAC addresses to the same vdisk
[19:49:28] <michal`> starting to get it than
[19:49:32] <michal`> it seems more logical now
[19:49:35] <michal`> thx
[19:49:39] <michal`> let's reconfigure my farm
[19:51:00] <michal`> 'servers' in 'site' is the address of my xenserver host?
[19:51:48] <kdavy> no, it's the addresses of your PVS hosts i believe
[19:52:19] <kdavy> PVS does not give a shit about xenserver, it only cares about target machines, physical or virtual
[19:52:37] <kdavy> so when you work with PVS just forget xenserver exists
[19:52:41] <michal`> that's what i've entered - and it says connections 0
[19:53:11] <kdavy> ok, you've powered up the VM?
[19:53:35] <kdavy> you should at least get to the point on the VM console where it shows your PVS server IP that it discovers from DHCP
[19:54:40] <michal`> restarting pvs server now... one second
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[20:02:12] <Gianni> hello, i have some general questions about citrix maybe someone here can answer me?!
[20:02:49] <michal`> kdavy: ok, i've managed to get that VM booting from PVS
[20:03:05] <michal`> now how do i tell xendesktop to actualy use it
[20:03:33] <kdavy> michal`: hehe. read the manual
[20:03:39] <kdavy> Gianni: go ahead
[20:03:51] <michal`> i have a catalog, type streamed, etc
[20:04:59] <Gianni> i'm responsible for a small business it (5-10 notebooks / pcs) and they keep having problems with broken notebooks and stuff. i wonder if citrix products can help me make the it more secure centralize it
[20:05:31] <Gianni> what product to use? how much does a licence cost?
[20:06:29] <kdavy> Gianni: sounds like you need XenApp or XenDesktop
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[20:06:44] <Gianni> what is the difference between XenDesktop and XenClient?
[20:07:11] <kdavy> Gianni: XenDesktop - everything is executed in a virtual machine that is hosted on a server; clients connect to it via network. XenClient - everything is executed in a virtual machine that's hosted on the actual laptop/desktop client
[20:07:17] <kdavy> also, XenClient doesn
[20:07:23] <kdavy> doesn't work properly
[20:07:49] <Gianni> okay but the notebooks are sometimes offline so xendesktop wouldnt work?
[20:08:14] <kdavy> Gianni: no, for xendesktop you need a constant connection to the server
[20:08:43] <Gianni> for xenapp too?
[20:08:47] <kdavy> technically XenClient is a part of XenDesktop - it's a sub-product
[20:08:59] <kdavy> yes, you need a constant connection for xenapp as well
[20:09:38] <Gianni> what is the problem with xenclient?
[20:10:00] <kdavy> Gianni: it has a very very limited supported hardware list
[20:10:10] <kdavy> only 20 or so specific laptop models are supported
[20:10:30] <Gianni> aw ok
[20:10:47] <kdavy> Gianni: so i can almost guarantee you that for XenClient to work in your case, you'll have to get brand new laptops for every employee
[20:10:59] <Gianni> thats bad
[20:11:31] <Gianni> ok thank your for your information
[20:11:44] <kdavy> Gianni: you're welcome
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