[00:01:31] <zaf> i'm trying to decide on an RMM packet right now as an MSP, so much stuff to go through
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[00:05:30] <rev78> i will say there was some buzz q4 last year about labtech software as a competitor
[00:05:43] <zaf> yeah, got labtech installed on a vm
[00:05:58] <rev78> some k users jumped to that, but i'm not sure how it all turned around
[00:05:58] <zaf> not really digging the UI
[00:06:07] <rev78> i've never seen it personally.
[00:06:21] <zaf> taking a look at GFI and PacketTrap as well
[00:07:33] <zaf> pricing model is a big factor, as an MSP that keeps changing number of monitored agents every month it gets hard to compare
[00:14:40] <kdavy_> first channel stats are up: http://echelog.com/stats/citrix.html
[00:15:50] <gladier> we have stats?
[00:16:05] <kdavy_> gladier, we do now. stats and logging
[00:16:18] * gladier makes note to not mention anything he's building in his basement
[00:17:05] <gladier> :P
[00:17:54] <kdavy_> ok i got my exchange 2010 archive issue figured out
[00:18:24] <kdavy_> would help if the autodiscovery url wasn't blocked by the ISA proxy from xenapp servers
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[00:42:00] <WindyCity> hey guys
[00:42:11] <WindyCity> Posted to twitter:  Anyone know how to run "pnagent /dsconnect" & "/reconnect" in XenApp 6 double-hop environment? ICA client 12.0 & 12.1 have commands removed
[00:42:46] <WindyCity> working with a healthcare customer and i am trying to ensure physical endpoint clientname gets passed through to both sessions
[00:42:51] <WindyCity> AND updated when the session roams
[00:43:50] <WindyCity> clientname gets passed through to both XA6 sessions upon initial login, but when the roams occurs, it only updates in the first hop (since a disconnect and reconnect occurs).
[00:44:23] <WindyCity> I need to ensure it goes through to the second hop, but it appears the pnagent /disconnect and /reconnect commands are gone
[00:44:43] <WindyCity> which is the only way I know of to repoll the first hop fir clientname variable
[00:50:26] <kdavy_> WindyCity: force users to log off when they move between machines; disallow more than 1 session per user
[00:50:43] <kdavy_> they'll get used to it
[00:52:01] <kdavy_> unless i'm misunderstanding your question
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[01:15:49] <ctxmike> Anyone in the room done any work with Delivery Services?
[01:24:07] <kdavy_> ctxmike: i havent heard of anyone using it yet
[01:24:50] <ctxmike> Yeah... my advice... DONT!
[01:25:07] <kdavy_> ctxmike: hehe what's wrong with it?
[01:26:18] <ctxmike> Been working on setting it up for hours and I still can't get Self Service Plug-in to work.  Real descriptive erros like "Can't contact store" and "Invalid server URL"
[01:26:58] <kdavy_> Still better than "Please contact your system administrator."
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[02:04:34] <stealthii> Rienzilla: thanks for helping earlier.  Got IPv6 running on all guests in the end :)
[02:05:21] <makson> kdavy_: LOL! not nice on the feed back ! haha
[02:08:03] <ctxmike> Got it working!!!  Delivery Services is very very picky about how you install/config its pre-reqs!
[02:08:17] <MSilva01> hi guys ... are you using mpp on fp1? if yes ... did you changed the mpp.conf like in the ealier versions?
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[02:40:08] <kdavy> makson: what feedback?
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[03:45:41] <makson> kdavy: on stats page.
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[08:19:40] <t3az0r> greeting everyone!
[08:20:19] 
[08:22:22] <Makuew> A simple google would tell you that there is
[08:22:29] <Makuew> http://forums.citrix.com/
[08:22:42] <Makuew> http://forums.citrix.com/category.jspa?categoryID=101
[08:22:47] <t3az0r> sorry, i meant irc :S
[08:23:28] <t3az0r> ?not "forum" as to say
[08:23:28] <Makuew> No, not on this network it seems. Only #xen and #citrix.
[08:24:24] <t3az0r> ok thanks :)
[08:24:58] <Makuew> Welcome.
[08:25:28] <t3az0r> welcome makuew
[08:25:43] <t3az0r> also looking for a xenserver irc?
[08:26:20] <t3az0r> (saw you on my "channel" a few seconds ago :P)
[08:27:00] <Makuew> Nah, was checking for you :)
[08:27:31] <t3az0r> hacker ;)
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[09:49:23] <Rienzilla> stealthii: nice to hear!
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[14:43:49] <Elias_rus> hi guys
[14:43:54] <Rienzilla> hi
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[15:13:05] <tabularasa> Meson: you around?
[15:18:21] <Meson> Yes
[15:33:13] <tabularasa> Leaving for your neck of the woods today sometime
[15:34:38] <Meson> Nice
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[15:45:29] <tabularasa> Not sure when i'm leaving though
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[16:55:47] <kreign> whoa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0WykKgQFLs
[16:55:54] <kreign> i think i found my bush pilot, for when i decide to take over some 3rd world country...
[17:01:45] <Elias_rus> kreign: hahaha
[17:03:32] <kdavy_> erm... anyone ever seen split-brain between xenapp zone data collectors?
[17:04:05] <kreign> kdavy, jesus. are you moving to vmware yet? :P
[17:04:13] <Elias_rus> :))))
[17:04:19] <kdavy_> kreign: ??? xenapp, not xenserver
[17:05:05] <Elias_rus> kreign: he saves money using xenservers :)
[17:05:11] <kreign> kdavy, hmm not familiar enough with vmware products to know "yeah but vmware has a product for that" :)
[17:05:15] <kreign> Elias_rus, why?
[17:05:42] <kdavy_> seems like during zone election preferred server was elected, but the other collector failed to completely give up its old data collector role, so qfarm /load results on the old server were completely crazy
[17:06:46] <kdavy_> Elias_rus: good afternoon by the way
[17:07:36] <kdavy_> kreign: i get xenserver platinum bundled essentially for free; vSphere would be an extra $8,000 per host if i want comparable features
[17:08:29] <kdavy_> kreign: and no vmware does NOT have a product for that :-P
[17:08:35] <kreign> kdavy, heh
[17:08:44] <kreign> kdavy, huh so vmware isn't willing to say "we'll match prices"?
[17:09:08] <kdavy_> kreign: can't match prices with something that's free :-P
[17:09:16] <kreign> kdavy, which features does vmware lack that you want?
[17:10:20] <Elias_rus> kdavy_: what xenapp version and Rollup Pack ?
[17:10:41] <kdavy_> kreign: central management for one; live migration; workload balancing; scheduled snapshots
[17:10:51] <kdavy_> Elias_rus: Xenapp 5 rollup pack 6
[17:11:58] <kdavy_> plus post-HRP6 limited release updates 035 and 045
[17:13:54] <kreign> kdavy, really? *sour face*
[17:14:04] <kreign> kdavy, didn't realize vmware was so behind on features.
[17:14:23] <Elias_rus> kdavy_: have you tried to recreate the LHC ?
[17:15:15] <Elias_rus> kdavy_: and then restart IMA service
[17:18:43] <Elias_rus> kreign: kdavy_  check this http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/cloud/Gartner-VMware-Magic-Quadrant.pdf
[17:19:10] <Elias_rus> I do trust Gartner Magic Quadrant
[17:23:39] <kdavy_> Elias_rus: no, rebooting the xenapp box cleared the issue. i've just never seen this before, thought zone election process was pretty bulletbroof
[17:26:00] <kdavy_> Elias_rus: Gartner Magic Quadrant is mostly targeted at enterprises. For service providers most criteria and priorities are completely different
[17:26:56] <JarianGibson> http://support.citrix.com/servlet/KbServlet/download/26181-102-649755/XD-XA%20-%20Logon%20Optimization%20Guide.pdf
[17:27:02] <JarianGibson> citrix logon opitmization guide
[17:27:56] <kdavy_> JarianGibson: i already printed it out, saw Jim's tweet
[17:28:13] <kdavy_> gonna quiz the helpdesk on it next week
[17:29:00] <kdavy_> tired of the "Uhh the user called with a citrix error" shrug reports
[17:29:08] <kreign> kdavy, your helpdesk is competent enough to deal with stuff like that?
[17:30:26] <kdavy_> kreign: they should at least understand how the logon process works if they ever want to make it out of tier1
[17:31:37] <kreign> kdavy, lol
[17:31:42] <Elias_rus> :)
[17:32:12] <kdavy_> Elias_rus: that's a reasonable expectation, right?
[17:34:42] <Elias_rus> helpdesk like robots you can say them : "if you see error click this button if it doesn not help escalate to L2 support with screenshots of an error"
[17:35:26] <kdavy_> Elias_rus: i dont want them to be like robots, i want them to think and use their own judgement
[17:35:49] <kdavy_> ... but right now they can't even escalate a fucking screenshot of the error
[17:37:18] <Elias_rus> kdavy_: how many experienced engineers have you seen on L1 support ?
[17:37:53] <kdavy_> Elias_rus: everyone at my company starts as L1
[17:38:16] <kdavy_> but experienced engineers quickly move up
[17:38:37] <kdavy_> and we try to pull everybody else up by training them etc
[17:41:43] <Elias_rus> kdavy_: sadly it usually doesn't work like that
[17:42:29] <Elias_rus> at least in Russia I don't know US IT market specifics
[17:45:26] <Elias_rus> I have to go
[17:45:31] <Elias_rus> have a good day
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[17:55:55] <kreign> kdavy, how long until you got to your position?
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[17:59:21] <kdavy_> kreign: lol. 6 months
[17:59:59] <kreign> kdavy, how many jumps is that?
[18:00:33] <kreign> kdavy, I know some companies make that promise of promotion based on merit, but nepotism and 'process' seems to stonewall the process and keep competent people at the lower end. ;|
[18:00:41] <kdavy_> 2 months in t1, 2 months in t2, 2 months in t2.5, then architecture
[18:00:50] <kreign> 2 month review?
[18:01:00] <kreign> wtf is t2.5?
[18:01:01] <kreign> :P
[18:01:08] <kreign> I'm guessing "this amp goes to 11" doesn't apply there.
[18:01:19] <kreign> I'm t{1..4}
[18:02:01] <kdavy_> kreign: kind of but not really. if our then manager didn't get fired (for trying to fire me because he felt intimidated) i'd stay in t2.5 for a lot longer
[18:02:23] <kreign> heh
[18:02:29] <kreign> so now you have his old job. ;)
[18:02:39] <kdavy_> our tiers don't really work the same way as normal companies
[18:02:54] <kreign> so how'd he get fired, exactly? "you tried to fire kdavy, and he's no slouch. why? oh? you're fired"
[18:03:06] <kreign> kdavy, describe your tier responsibilities for me?
[18:03:10] <kdavy_> no i dont have his old job. we eliminated all management positions on the techincal side :)
[18:03:13] <kreign> process fascinates me ;)
[18:03:19] <kreign> oooo
[18:03:22] * kreign likes that idea
[18:03:30] <kreign> guessing thtat was cause for a restructure?
[18:03:38] <kreign> so who 'manages' the technical side?
[18:03:43] <kreign> in terms of reporting etc.
[18:04:25] <cathederal> looking for some advice on setting up a vm network....currently have two servers and two switches and a san for testing....each server has 6 physical network ports...any recommendations on setup for those?  two bonded for VM/iscsi traffic?  two bonded for moving VMs between servers, etc..?  any help or suggestions is appreciated
[18:06:03] <kdavy_> kreign: it's mostly self-managed. upper tiers can assign and track tasks for lower tiers, give training, determine who is qualified enough to be moved up, and so on
[18:06:07] <kreign> cathederal, what kind of SAN? fibre? 10gig?
[18:06:25] <kreign> kdavy, self-directed eh. I like it.
[18:07:24] <kdavy_> kreign: yes. but at the same time upper tiers cannot reprimand lower tiers and don't have authority to demote or fire anyone
[18:07:36] <cathederal> iscsi
[18:07:46] <cathederal> gige
[18:08:27] <kreign> kdavy, ... how do dipshits get fired?
[18:08:38] <kreign> cathederal, so software iscsi.
[18:08:42] <cathederal> yes
[18:09:13] <cathederal> actually....four servers, a 2-node san
[18:09:26] <cathederal> hp (lefthand) san
[18:09:46] <kreign> aren't those Q-tip or w/e that Q-starting SAN company is?
[18:09:50] <cathederal> i'm just wondering about setting up the backend network over 6 nics...what would probably be the best way to handle it
[18:09:52] <kreign> just rebadged
[18:09:55] <kdavy_> kreign: dipshits get fired by vote of no confidence
[18:10:04] <kreign> kdavy, oh damn. that is AWESOME>
[18:10:12] <kreign> kdavy, how often is this performed?
[18:10:20] <kreign> is it like, every 2 months you do a fire and hire?
[18:10:56] <cathederal> kreign: the three pictures on this thread are mine...http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1581258
[18:11:04] <kdavy_> kreign: no, usually within a couple months of someone working at the company it's clear if they're going to be a good team member or not
[18:11:24] <kreign> cathederal, those guys are tools
[18:11:36] <kdavy_> most people (even tier1) have been with the company for 2+ years
[18:11:42] <cathederal> regardless....i'm just trying to show you what the hardware is
[18:12:56] <kreign> cathederal, going to do multipath on a vlan to the SANs?
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[18:13:22] <cathederal> would like to for throughput and redundancty
[18:13:29] <kdavy_> cathederal: i'd do 4 ports for iscsi + management traffic, 2 ports for outgoing network
[18:13:58] <cathederal> bond the four ports and bond the two ports?
[18:14:03] <kreign> cathederal, nice kit + cable job, btw ;)
[18:14:07] <cathederal> thank you
[18:14:24] <taranto> hey guys, Anyone know a good tutorial to enable ipv6 on XenServer?
[18:14:37] <cathederal> do i need to do port bonding on the nics or no?
[18:14:40] <kdavy_> cathederal: for the four iscsi/management ports, you can either bond all 4 together or do 2x2 bonds
[18:14:41] <kreign> cathederal, are those 1gig or 10 gig switches?
[18:14:51] <cathederal> 1gig switches
[18:14:52] <kreign> cathederal, and do the SANs support 10gig?
[18:14:56] <cathederal> no
[18:15:06] <kreign> how many ports do the sans have?
[18:15:26] <cathederal> each san has two 1gig ports...so i was going to do port 1 on each san node to switch one and port 2 on each node to switch 2
[18:15:38] <cathederal> that is best practices for the san according to hp
[18:15:59] <cathederal> and bond port one on each to switch one and same for two
[18:16:00] <kdavy_> cathederal: yea then do 2x2 bonds and assign each bond to separate node
[18:16:42] <kreign> cathederal, what he said.
[18:17:08] <kreign> though I'm not sure about the XS mangement interface on a bonded iface, i haven't done that.
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[18:17:57] <cathederal> i dont think i can assign them to a specific node...because on that SAN, it does network raid...so some of the stuff would be spanning both nodes
[18:18:20] <kreign> i...
[18:18:41] <cathederal> i can't imagine management would be that much traffic would it?
[18:19:37] <cathederal> i have vlans setup for this, so maybe I would need to change that too....vlan 60 for servers (these i guess would be for the VM's themselves), then vlan 160 for iscsi/xenmotion, then vlan 180 for management
[18:19:44] <cathederal> that's how i have setup the vlans at the moment
[18:21:26] <kdavy_> cathederal: yeah make sure you untag vlan 180 on the switch
[18:21:28] <cathederal> i just figured maybe this.....one the servers; ports 1 and 2 are vlan 160 to switch 1, ports 3 and 4 are vlan 160 to switch 2, ports 5 and 6 could be vlan 180 for management ?
[18:22:48] <cathederal> yeah, switches are untagged 180 and tagged everything else that would flow through those ports
[18:23:53] <cathederal> but splitting the ports up between the two switches and then use ports 5 and 6 on the servers for network access and management sound about right?
[18:23:59] <kreign> cathederal, i prefer to have only one vlan per port, personally, but sometimes there's no way around it.
[18:24:07] <kreign> cathederal, those supermicro boards have ipmi ?
[18:24:11] <cathederal> yes
[18:24:18] <cathederal> completely separate
[18:24:34] <kreign> ... I'd just use that and forget the management interface, personally.
[18:24:36] <cathederal> a completely different chipset to control that ipmi card
[18:24:42] <kreign> right.
[18:24:59] <cathederal> xen doesn't see the ipmi card though
[18:25:03] <kreign> oh.
[18:25:06] <kreign> well, so much for that.
[18:25:09] <cathederal> only the 6 nic ports i have installed
[18:25:19] <cathederal> yeah, that IPMI i think is for using something like a ipkvm...
[18:26:29] <cathederal> how hard is nic teaming in xenserver?  also, better to use lacp or no?
[18:26:49] <cathederal> i've read documentation going both ways...i just want a more "real world" opinion
[18:28:35] <kreign> kdavy told me a while ago you could use those ipmi 2.0 ports w/ vnc or something like that but i've not had time to see what he meant, exactly.
[18:28:38] <kreign> think it was him who said that. ;)
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[18:40:10] <kreign> jesus
[18:40:20] <kreign> why is it people can't figure out time zone translation
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[19:16:17] <KidCrims> hi guys ... did you change the mpp.conf like in the ealier versions?
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[21:35:35] <jduggan> have you guys noticed when you import a backup into xs, windows loses activation?
[21:35:49] <jduggan> its a pita - we have other software that does that to
[21:35:55] <jduggan> it must follow windows activation
[21:36:02] <jduggan> and remove its own licensing
[21:36:07] <jduggan> (this is 2x, fwiw)
[21:38:56] <zaf> not really surprising
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[21:52:46] <jduggan> zaf: yea just thought - it typically uses hardware changes.. i havent been keeping the mac addresses of the nics the same so maybe its that causing it
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[22:14:12] <charley> how does the presentation server console determine which SQL server to use? A coworker migrated a server from server 2000 to 2003 a while back, and it appears he didnt migrate the SQL db, so presentation server console on the new server won't load unless the old server is powered on (aka sql is running on the old server).
[22:14:30] <charley> and secondly, does presentation server console use a different DB than the IMA db ?
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[22:32:07] <kreign> kdavy, hey, around?
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[22:32:25] <kreign> trying to figure out why my archaic servers all have packets queued on the guest network interfaces, wondering if you experienced this.
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[23:33:25] <kdavy_> kreign: back
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[23:46:41] <kreign> kdavy, you familiar with what might cause windows machines to have sporadic jumps in "output queue length" for the network?
[23:48:24] <kdavy_> kreign: not really
[23:48:29] <kdavy_> other than network congestion...
[23:48:40] <kreign> kdavy, meaning at the switch... collisions, etc.
[23:49:02] <kdavy_> nope
[23:49:12] <kreign> kdavy, I take it pci passthrough doesn't work on xs yet...
[23:50:57] <kdavy_> kreign: it doesn't
[23:51:06] <kreign> kdavy, if not collisions at the switch, then fabric saturation?
[23:51:10] <kreign> kdavy, figured
[23:53:48] <charley> kdavy: do you have any input on my question from a couple of hours ago?
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[23:55:36] <kdavy_> charley: it is determined by the MF20 DSN on xenapp boxes
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[23:56:44] <charley> ah, the only system DSN on the box points to an access file in E:\program files\citrix\Independent Management Architecture\imahc.mdb
[23:56:48] <kdavy_> charley: the dsn file is located in C:\Program Files\Citrix\Independent Management Architecture
[23:56:57] <kdavy_> MF20.dsn
[23:57:05] <kreign> kdavy, what was it you meant by 'network congestion'?
[23:57:20] <charley> kdavy: i'll check the old server for that file, maybe the migrator forgot it somehow.
[23:57:23] <kdavy_> kreign: clogged intertubes
[23:57:47] <kdavy_> charley: check all the new servers for that file, see where it points
[23:57:54] <kreign> kdavy, only thing guest/host relation I can think of would be that the pv'd driver isn't fast enough...
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[23:58:06] <kreign> kdavy, ohhh eg. pushing data upstream = system isn't responding fast enough?
[23:58:29] <kdavy_> kreign: that's a possibility





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