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[19:42:16] <kreign> Elias_Rus, ... I don't understand your question.
[19:42:18] <kreign> I don't like the game.
[19:42:22] <kreign> I still understand it.
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[19:49:09] * tabularasa worked 36 hours this weekend
[19:49:34] <Elias_Rus> tabularasa, good for you
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[19:50:35] <Elias_Rus> kreign,I don't undestand the game in demand only in USA
[19:51:38] <kreign> Elias_Rus, meh, we're the only country in the world where guns are legally in demand, too.
[19:51:44] <kreign> Elias_Rus, meanwhile, nobody wants to be French.
[19:51:51] <kreign> different strokes for different folks.
[19:53:08] <tabularasa> good?  it sucked
[19:53:33] <kreign> tabularasa, what sucked?
[19:56:15] <tabularasa> 12:44  * tabularasa worked 36 hours this weekend
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[19:58:59] <kdavy_> tabularasa: fyi - echelog-2 has been added to the channel. Consider adding : http://echelog.com/?citrix to the channel topic, so that people are aware that the channel is being logged.
[20:00:56] <kdavy_> stats will be generated nightly
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[20:06:09] <tabularasa> kdavy_: didn't like the funny stat generator i linked you?
[20:06:34] <kdavy_> tabularasa: echelog uses the same stat generator
[20:07:23] <kdavy_> here's an example - http://echelog.com/stats/nexenta.html
[20:07:43] <tabularasa> kdavy_: yes, perfect.  :)
[20:08:04] <tabularasa> love it
[20:08:10] <kdavy_> tabularasa: i know
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[20:20:31] <tabularasa> where would our stats be?
[20:20:43] <tabularasa> stats/citrix.html ?
[20:21:21] <kdavy_> yes
[20:21:31] <tabularasa> nice
[20:22:39] <kdavy_> oh wow, Brian even linked citrixirc.com on the echelog site
[20:27:01] <tabularasa> very nice
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[20:41:00] <kdavy_> tabularasa: how did the datacenter move go?
[20:43:35] <kdavy_> hmm citrix forums seem to be down more and more often
[20:47:08] <tabularasa> kdavy_: it went fine.  It was just a lot of work
[20:47:37] <tabularasa> I moved all of our VDIs to another VC, updated all the VDAs, updated all the VM tools....
[20:47:51] <tabularasa> after I did that, the 4.1 driver is still broken with XD4.. annoying
[20:48:02] <tabularasa> i had to go back, manually, and reinstall the supported SVGAII driver..
[21:00:24] <kdavy_> sounds annoying
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[21:15:35] <makson> HI guys
[21:15:43] <makson> kdavy_: cool stats prog.
[21:15:55] <makson> tabularasa: the new VDA install automates that if i remember correctly ?
[21:17:26] <tabularasa> kdavy_: very
[21:17:32] <tabularasa> i did with GPO
[21:17:40] <tabularasa> does anyone automate the Citrix client install?
[21:22:50] <makson> tabularasa: I did with landesk citir xhas a bunch of arguments you can add to the installer to make it silent, included the server URL.
[21:24:10] <makson> tabularasa: http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/online-plugin-120-windows/ica-configure-command-line.html
[21:24:39] <tabularasa> yeah, scripted...  silly you can't do an msi anymore
[21:24:54] <makson> u trying to do push via AD?
[21:25:02] <tabularasa> was debating it
[21:25:12] <makson> to your VDI clients? or regular end points ?
[21:26:33] <Splatone> exit
[21:26:38] <makson> Splatone: lol
[21:35:26] <kdavy_> phew. finished my ghetto-near-realtime a/v scan script for xenapp boxes
[21:36:53] <kdavy_> using Clamwin memory-only scan with the script looping across all xenapp servers in a specific OU triggering the memory scan one by one
[21:45:01] <tabularasa> tabularasa: VDI clients
[21:45:55] <tabularasa> oops
[21:45:57] <tabularasa> :)
[21:48:18] <kdavy_> kdavy_: wanna get some coffee?
[21:48:22] <kdavy_> :-P
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[22:21:24] <Elias_Rus> kdavy, hey
[22:21:30] <Elias_Rus> kdavy,  howdy
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[22:44:33] <makson> tabularasa: VDI clients? why not just bake it into the golden image?
[22:46:41] <tabularasa> i don't use PVS
[22:49:29] <makson> tabularasa: wait.. so your VDI is a 1 to 1? :(
[22:49:43] <makson> persistent desktops
[22:49:54] <tabularasa> yes
[22:49:54] <makson> how many are you managing?
[22:49:58] <tabularasa> why :( ?
[22:50:02] <tabularasa> we use VDI for our power users
[22:50:09] <tabularasa> and XenApp for our "locked down" users
[22:53:07] <makson> not sure of overall landscape of your environment but giving them 1 to 1 is essentials moving the management issues back into the datacenter. didn't really solve that problem. ( Not sure how many u have ) if they wan't the personalization then you can look into something like unidesk + xendesktop.
[22:53:18] <makson> http://www.unidesk.com/about-us/press-releases/renasant-bank-unidesk-citrix-vmware-personal-virtual-desktops
[22:53:22] <makson> just read this -
[22:53:27] <makson> look at some of there videos.
[22:53:46] <tabularasa> i wasn't trying to solve the support problem
[22:53:53] <tabularasa> we do desktop support a different way
[22:54:00] <makson> gotcha.
[22:54:01] <tabularasa> we are adding mobility and uniformity to our users
[22:54:13] <tabularasa> we use Kaseya
[22:54:18] <makson> tabularasa: really?!?
[22:54:23] <tabularasa> ?
[22:54:24] <makson> we just got that in house.
[22:54:30] <makson> im learning it now. awesome product.
[22:54:36] <tabularasa> Yes, it works very well
[22:54:47] <tabularasa> so, we feel that we can save costs in the long run with VDI to our users
[22:55:15] <tabularasa> spend 10k on a server and put 60 users on it....  plus SAN space... thats cheap workstation costs
[22:55:19] <tabularasa> and powerful
[22:55:27] <tabularasa> its like $200 a user excluding the connection device
[22:55:39] <tabularasa> our CEO and President run on a $200 thin client and connect to their VDI at the office
[22:55:49] <tabularasa> plus, both have iPads which they can connect to it on the road.. etc
[22:55:57] <makson> you don't have to pay VDA license cost?
[22:56:56] <tabularasa> well, yeah...  Win7 with SA
[22:56:57] <makson> does your san dedup?
[22:57:05] <tabularasa> yes, san does dedup
[22:57:06] <makson> ah ok, so no VDA cost if u have SA
[22:57:16] <tabularasa> which we would have anyways, with a regular client
[22:57:21] <makson> ah ok, so your not getting hit on storage
[22:57:35] <tabularasa> Not terribly, the main factor is RAM
[22:57:44] <tabularasa> we have 96gigs in our VDI server now
[22:57:55] <tabularasa> give each VDI 2 gigs
[22:57:58] <tabularasa> 1 just wasn't cutting it
[22:58:13] <tabularasa> i say 60 users.. probably 45 is more realistic
[22:59:09] <makson> each user get's the same desktop every time right?
[22:59:16] <tabularasa> yeah, assigned desktops
[22:59:28] <makson> so your OS san cost is deduped, and document storage is redirected right ?
[22:59:29] <tabularasa> we are an IT company. Most users need the flexability
[22:59:33] <tabularasa> correct
[22:59:44] <tabularasa> we have a large, physical, file server atm
[23:00:10] <makson> True. What do you guys do?
[23:00:36] <makson> i had an ATT guy come to my house yesterday and he saw my citrix backpack and goes "citrix sucks"
[23:00:39] <makson> i said why?
[23:00:45] <tabularasa> lol
[23:00:48] <makson> he goes because it's slow and never opens and apps on my ipad
[23:00:49] <makson> haha
[23:01:03] <tabularasa> sounds like your citrix admin sucks
[23:01:04] <makson> it took like 5 min to load one IE window
[23:01:21] <makson> had no idea att was using citirx
[23:01:43] <makson> tabularasa: you using UPM for profile management?
[23:01:56] <tabularasa> not yet... sadly.. will rolll this out for XD5 in the next couple of weeks
[23:02:23] <makson> tabularasa: what are you doing then local since they getting assigned
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[23:02:49] <tabularasa> huh?
[23:04:06] <tabularasa> i don't understand your question
[23:06:39] <kdavy_> tabularasa: i think what makson was trying to ask is, what is the endpoint device?
[23:08:52] <makson> tabularasa: lol, sorry im multitasking when i do that i don't read before i hit enter haha
[23:08:55] <makson> lol
[23:09:05] <makson> that was bad, so profiles.. i assumed local since your doing assigned desktops.
[23:09:27] <makson> tabularasa: are you using the service desk portion of kaseya?
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[23:10:02] <tabularasa> no, we use another product for helpdesk
[23:10:05] <tabularasa> odly enough
[23:10:13] <tabularasa> kdavy_: endpoint devices are random
[23:10:24] <tabularasa> we have some custom thin clients that are steadystate locked down
[23:10:31] <tabularasa> some people use their laptops, ipads, whatever
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[23:17:15] <makson> tabularasa: how come you decided to not use PVS for XD? because users needed personalization? user installed apps?
[23:18:33] <tabularasa> user installed apps
[23:18:37] <tabularasa> mainly
[23:18:52] <tabularasa> i'm out.. gotta go pick up my kids.
[23:24:24] <rev78> first time i've seen kaseya mentioned outside of my normal area
[23:25:04] <rev78> we're using the service desk module
[23:25:12] <rev78> but we're an enterprise using it, not an msp
[23:33:17] <gladier> has anyone been asked to audit user logons before?
[23:33:25] <gladier> in term of time logging in/out etc
[23:34:50] <kdavy_> gladier: sure
[23:35:39] <kdavy_> just grab the data from the resource manager db, it's all in there
[23:35:50] <gladier> did you just use audit logon/logoff events in a gpo?
[23:35:52] <gladier> oh
[23:36:08] <gladier> resource manager = enterprise
[23:36:14] <gladier> i'm only running advanced
[23:36:23] <kdavy_> plus i have session broker logging that info into a separate db as well
[23:36:38] <gladier> session broker?
[23:36:49] <kdavy_> MS RDS Seession Broker
[23:37:00] <gladier> ah
[23:37:08] <gladier> server 2003 :P
[23:37:24] <kdavy_> gladier: you can point 2003 servers to a 2008/R2 session broker
[23:37:36] <kdavy_> it's backwards compatible with session directory
[23:37:50] <gladier> dont have any 2008 boxen at this customer
[23:37:59] <gladier> they're due for a refresh in 12 months or so
[23:38:41] <kdavy_> well, who's fault is that?
[23:38:52] <kdavy_> gladier: are you running exchange 2010 already by chance?
[23:39:01] <gladier> yea - in a number of places
[23:39:26] <kdavy_> i'm having a hard time with the online archive... works in owa, doesnt show up in outlook 2010 client
[23:39:36] <kdavy_> pro plus volume license
[23:39:43] <gladier> we dont have online archive running anywhere
[23:39:50] <kdavy_> meh
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[23:50:55] <zaf> you guys like kaseya?
[23:53:02] <rev78> we do for the most part. using the service desk acroos wan links has proven tiresome due to bulky interface. They wrote custom forms for our servicedesk module though.
[23:53:26] <rev78> The live connect can be really slick, the agent procedures are by far the best part
[23:53:49] <rev78> it really has made leaps and bounds over the past 2 years.
[23:53:56] <rev78> we've run it since 06
[23:54:24] <zaf> how's the monitoring?
[23:54:36] <rev78> getting better
[23:55:11] <rev78> it still leave s abit to be desired out of the box, but if you spend enough time going through your snmp sets and sectioning it all out it can really pay off
[23:55:20] <zaf> does it have to be built from scratch, or does it pretty much figure out what's important per machine and send you alerts about that?
[23:56:12] <rev78> services-wise you can have it return a list of services on the box and configure monitoring that way
[23:56:38] <rev78> one of the nicest features is they started supporting linux a couple months/releases ago
[23:56:47] <zaf> cool
[23:56:52] <rev78> well the default linux agent loads beautifully on xenserver installs
[23:57:17] <rev78> there's no real integration between the two
[23:57:36] <rev78> but getting separate up/down notifications should something happen to a xenserver is always nice
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