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[04:25:53] <Marty> Anyone from US?
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[13:42:11] <Beam_Inn> anyone about?
[13:42:19] <Beam_Inn> marty i'm from the us
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[14:49:45] <ellyjones> morning chromies :)
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[15:41:01] <thakis_> morning ellyjonies :)
[15:41:59] <ellyjones> hey thakis_ :) how's it going?
[15:42:19] <thakis_> writing docs instead of code :/
[15:42:41] <j`ey> necessary evil
[15:43:08] <thakis_> and trying to green up the msan bot which turned out to need a 3-long revert chain
[15:43:15] <thakis_> is it friday yet?
[15:44:16] * thakis_ apologizes for whining
[15:44:44] <ellyjones> revert chains are enough to make anyone wish for friday
[15:44:49] <ellyjones> as it happens I'm doing email
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[16:28:30] <tecywiz121> Hey! So I'm trying to package up v8 to build from source on a box without internet access. Any general thoughts on how to approach that? Or perhaps some docs on how v8's build system works? I've been following https://v8.dev/docs/source-code but depot_tools seems to grab a ton of binaries from somewhere.
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[16:33:56] <ellyjones> yeah, it does - you could check all that stuff out, then tar up the result
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[16:40:19] <tecywiz121> ellyjones: Yeah, that was what my prototype did. Worked fine, but apparently won't fly with our security people...
[16:42:47] <ellyjones> that might be a conversation to have with your security people then - chromium (and v8) are really set up to be built a specific way, on an internet-connected device
[16:43:59] <ellyjones> I suspect we would take patches to change that, if they don't interfere with the existing build setup, but offline builds like that (where the build host has *never* been online) basically require you to unpack a tarball of binaries
[16:45:19] <ellyjones> thakis_ might be able to say more about this since they work on build stuff :)
[16:46:09] <thakis_> the build itself shouldn't need network access
[16:46:15] <thakis_> just getting the source and its prereqs
[16:46:25] <tecywiz121> The hard sell here will be downloading binaries. They want everything built from source.
[16:46:29] <thakis_> you won't be able to build without getting the source to your device obviously
[16:46:40] <thakis_> that's in theory doable as well
[16:46:50] <thakis_> but probably needs a bunch of custom scripting
[16:47:03] <thakis_> you need to build gn, ninja, clang from surce
[16:47:22] <thakis_> gn and ninja have docs on their upstreams on how to do this (chromium uses ninja 1.8.2 and ~trunk gn)
[16:47:24] <tecywiz121> That's what I was thinking, and that list is much less intimidating than I expected.
[16:47:50] <thakis_> for clang you can do tools/clang/scripts/update.sh --force-local-build to build clang the same way the binary it normally downloads is built
[16:48:36] <tecywiz121> Cool, I'll look into that too. Thanks a bunch!
[16:48:44] <thakis_> i think that might be all the prebuilt binaries you need for a build. it's possible i'm forgetting some, but in theory that's a use case we want to support
[16:49:11] <thakis_> and chromium packages for linux distros build everything from source as far as i know
[16:49:19] <thakis_> chromium-packagers might be a good list for this
[16:50:08] <tecywiz121> Great! If I get stuck I'll send a message there. I really appreciate the pointers :)
[16:53:25] <thakis_> feel free to ping me on irc as well
[16:53:51] <thakis_> i'm usually around during east coast working hours, and sometimes at other times as well
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[17:02:54] <hcb> How would I change the Visual C++ compiler options used by autoninja? Part of the lack of XP compatibility comes from the compiler. I know you can change this option in Visual Studio but I need to know how to do it with autoninja.
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[17:12:01] <thakis_> hcb: e.g. here https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/build/config/win/BUILD.gn?type=cs&q=file:%5C.gn+%5C/utf-8&sq=package:chromium&g=0&l=68
[17:13:46] <hcb> So bigobj is why new EXE's don't work on XP?
[17:13:56] <hcb> I've been trying to figure that out for a while.
[17:15:03] <hcb> As you know, many current 32-bit programs say "not a valid Win32 application" on Windows XP and I've tried Googling it but I've only found suggestions for how to fix it.
[17:18:06] <hcb> thakis_: From a comment in BUILD.gn, it looks like you were involved with removing XP support.
[17:18:24] <thakis_> no, bigobj isn't why exes don't work on xp
[17:18:34] <thakis_> i'm just saying that's where you can put compiler flags
[17:18:52] <hcb> Oh okay
[17:18:53] <thakis_> adding xp support back requires probably 1000s of code changes
[17:18:57] <thakis_> if it was easy to support, we'd do it
[17:18:59] <thakis_> but it's not
[17:19:12] <hcb> I thought Google just wanted people off XP.
[17:19:18] <thakis_> no
[17:19:21] <thakis_> why would google care
[17:19:29] <hcb> Maybe for security?
[17:19:32] <thakis_> xp is no longer supported by microsoft
[17:19:41] <thakis_> it has known security holes
[17:19:48] <thakis_> and it's a lot of work to support it with very few users
[17:19:49] <hcb> But I was discussing this with someone who kept XP support for a while after Google stopped and he said it would be a lot of work to continue.
[17:19:56] <thakis_> it just doesn't make sense to support it
[17:20:04] <thakis_> yea
[17:20:36] <hcb> I'm trying to understand the codebase better so I can backport the current version.
[17:20:56] <ellyjones> you want to backport chrome 73 (or something similar) to XP?
[17:21:11] <ellyjones> that will likely be a lot of work
[17:21:15] <hcb> Yes. I was also thinking of changing how media is handled so it will use codec packs and support things like MP3 on XP.
[17:21:25] <ellyjones> how many engineers do you have for this task? :P
[17:21:32] <hcb> Well, just me right now.
[17:22:35] <hcb> The code is so big that I'm having trouble figuring out what to do with it. It can load in Visual Studio but it doesn't seem to do anything when I want to build there.
[17:22:54] <ellyjones> afaik, on Windows we still build using ninja
[17:23:16] <thakis_> gn can visual studio projects that shells out to ninja for building
[17:23:23] <thakis_> *can generate
[17:23:43] <ellyjones> ahh okay
[17:23:48] <ellyjones> do windows chromium devs use VS?
[17:24:06] <thakis_> yes, some
[17:24:07] <thakis_> mayb emost
[17:24:15] <thakis_> the debugger works pretty well
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[17:24:29] <hcb> I tried Visual Studio and it had this build animation in the taskbar but wouldn't make any progress.
[17:25:00] <hcb> My goal there was to debug and better understand how Chromium works before I attempt to change it.
[17:25:16] <ellyjones> that is a good idea, but there is a lot of it to understand
[17:25:23] <ellyjones> I would focus on understanding and working on a specific part of it
[17:25:39] <ellyjones> I have been a full-time chromium developer for years and years now and there are still many parts I know nothing at all about
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[18:37:04] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on https://ci.chromium.org/p/chromium/builders/ci/win32-rel/14573 "win32-rel" from a5501e795a60051f4749b7d091a41dd15aa4ca26: michaelludwig at google dot com,ellyjones@chromium.org,mmenke@chromium.org,sdefresne@chromium.org,chromium-autoroll@skia-public.iam.gserviceaccount.com,drott@chromium.org,eseckler@chromium.org,wangxianzhu@chromium.org)
[18:38:21] <ellyjones> probably drott 0df515c2be9ca06edbb50d9960f04550b377702e
[18:38:25] <ellyjones> sheriffs: ^
[18:38:25] <trungl-bot> anthonyvd, andypaicu, caseq: ^^^
[18:41:05] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by anthonyvd at google dot com: Tree is open. (r650819 reverted, should cycle green).
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[18:42:06] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on https://ci.chromium.org/p/chromium/builders/ci/Win%20Builder/70768 "Win Builder" from afee17f8c012dca0b7ff91ac3fad0e05de38392a: chromium-autoroll at skia-public dot iam.gserviceaccount.com,ellyjones@chromium.org,mmenke@chromium.org,michaelludwig@google.com,sdefresne@chromium.org,drott@chromium.org)
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[18:43:07] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by anthonyvd at google dot com: Tree is open. (r650819 reverted, should cycle green).
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[19:35:43] <hcb> thakis: Could this be what I'm looking for? https://github.com/chromium/chromium/blob/e474d3f7554314943b773e256abe75538c313186/build/config/win/BUILD.gn#L215
[19:36:00] <hcb> The current version still mentions the 5.01 subsystem.
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[19:44:17] <hcb> thakis_: Could this be what I'm looking for? https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/build/config/win/BUILD.gn?type=cs&q=file:%5C.gn+%5C/utf-8&sq=package:chromium&g=0&l=285
[19:44:43] <thakis_> hbc: there isn't a single thing you're looking for. you'll need to change oodles of stuff
[19:44:59] <hcb> XP-compatible Chromium seems to use the same values in the winver section.
[19:45:06] <hcb> That's why I'm wondering.
[19:46:49] <hcb> Is it a subsystem:console issue?
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[19:50:37] <hcb> It looks like a linker issue.
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[21:24:59] <jbroman> hcb: you're in fot a lot of work
[21:25:02] <jbroman> e.g. we deleted GDI text rendering code
[21:25:10] <jbroman> and only DirectWrite support remains
[21:25:41] <jbroman> our mutexes are mostly SRWLocks
[21:25:43] <jbroman> which don't exist until Vista
[21:25:44] <jbroman> etc
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[21:55:47] <ellyjones> if you really want to do this, probably the best way to begin is to try building chromium on an XP host and seeing what happens
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[21:55:58] <ellyjones> you will need to fix all the build failures; once that is done, try running it and see what crashes
[21:56:14] <ellyjones> trying to deduce from analysis of the source tree what changes need to be made will be ~impossible since we simply haven't kept track
[21:56:30] <ellyjones> nobody's been writing down e.g. "this new thing I added does not work on XP" at key points in the code
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[21:59:06] <ellyjones> it's virtually certain that much of the stuff we do doesn't work on XP, or behaves wrongly, or whatever in ways that won't be obvious until the code actually runs there and crashes or otherwise fails
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[22:22:00] <hcb> ellyjones: I can try on an XP computer if you think that's a good idea, although I won't be able to install VS 2015.
[22:22:27] <hcb> Right now I'm just trying to track down the cause of the "not a valid Win32 application" error.
[22:22:34] <hcb> I think it's caused by linker settings.
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[23:46:59] <virmaha> Hello. To build chromium, is it recommended to use lld-link or link.exe ?
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