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[00:47:28] <jugglinmike> Seeing some strange behavior in Chromedriver; any Chromium folks around to talk about that?
[00:47:38] <jugglinmike> jochen__ perhaps?
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[06:36:03] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on https://ci.chromium.org/p/chromium/builders/ci/win32-rel/13850 "win32-rel" from 8ef74d5e85ea60d33e7362f2d857ddbf14933218: )
[06:54:09] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by noel at google dot com: Tree is closed (revert http://crrev.com/c/647142)
[06:55:09] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by noel at google dot com: Tree is open (revert https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/1549801)
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[10:22:08] <rahul__> how to use system libffmpeg instead of using chrome ffmpeg ?
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[10:50:29] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on "fuchsia-arm64-cast" )
[10:55:30] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by grunell at google dot com: Tree is open (revert http://crrev.com/c/1550319)
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[12:43:07] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "Second build,Failure reason" on https://ci.chromium.org/p/chromium/builders/ci/Deterministic%20Linux/21943 "Deterministic Linux" from d3876fcccdd1b709fa188ae4792b2bd053e486ae: )
[12:47:08] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is open (Automatic: (゚д゚) )
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[14:20:49] <analogical> I use Chromium on Linux but why isn't there Chromium for Windows. I would much rather use Chromium than Chrome on Windows.
[14:21:37] <thakis_> they're almost the same thing, mostly except for the icon
[14:21:50] <thakis_> and chrome has stable branches
[14:21:59] <thakis_> having said that, chromium for windows does exist
[14:22:15] <thakis_> e.g. here https://chromium.woolyss.com/download/en/
[14:22:54] <thakis_> but saying you'd rather use chromium than chrome sounds a bit uninformed to me
[14:23:08] <analogical> are they really the same thing?
[14:23:32] <analogical> so why do they both exist?
[14:26:02] <analogical> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differences_from_Google_Chrome
[14:26:06] <thakis_> chrome is the branded version of chromium. it has a different icon, includes some closed-source parts from other companies (it bundles flash and a DRM plugin, and has a few api keys)
[14:26:12] <thakis_> but almost all of the code is the same
[14:26:40] <thakis_> chrome has different branches (dev beta stable) that get crash fixed merged but not new changes (until the new release) so it tends to be a lot more stable
[14:26:49] <thakis_> chromium is always (well, usually) built off trunk
[14:27:14] <thakis_> h264 and aac can be enabled in chromium, it's just a build toggle and off by default
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[14:27:40] <thakis_> chromium can report crashes and send uma data just as well as chrome can (and both have the same setting for toggling that on and off)
[14:27:54] <thakis_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Differences_from_Google_Chrome is roughly correct
[14:28:07] <analogical> I noticed that Chromium uses FFmpeg
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[14:28:12] <thakis_> so does chrome
[14:28:17] <thakis_> almost all of the code is the same
[14:28:20] <thakis_> as i said
[14:28:47] <thakis_> and you can turn off flash and crash reporting and whatnot in chrome
[14:29:05] <analogical> that IS a nice feature
[14:29:20] <analogical> ok thank you for answering my questin :)
[14:29:27] <analogical> *question
[14:29:33] <thakis_> (see also https://www.google.com/chrome/privacy/whitepaper.html if your motivation is privacy)
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[14:29:51] <thakis_> i'd recommend using chrome and looking over the settings to make sure stuff you don't like is turned off
[14:30:02] <thakis_> then your browser will be stabler and it'll get security autoupdates
[14:30:16] <thakis_> and it shouldn't be any worse, to the best of my knowledge
[14:30:29] <analogical> isn't it weird that Microsoft is going chrome?
[14:31:02] <thakis_> i guess to most people in this channel it's the obviously correct choice ;-)
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[14:31:28] <analogical> yeah it's good fo developers I guess
[14:31:43] <analogical> *for
[14:32:58] <analogical> and now now Edge will be supported on Win 7, 8, 8.1, and macOS all of a sudden
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[14:35:46] <ellyjones> seems pretty not-weird, then
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[15:51:17] <clinth> hi! i'm using chromedriver and selenium to run some automated tests, and I'm having trouble debugging why a downloaded file isn't being written to the place I think I'm setting.
[15:52:33] <clinth> I am setting the `download.default_directory` pref to a location that's writable by all, but I'm not finding the file I expect :\
[15:55:27] <clinth> is there a way to see more logging, if an error is happening somewhere else? the --enable-logging flag doesn't seem to actually write anything there :\
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[15:58:15] <ellyjones> hi clinth
[15:58:27] <ellyjones> maybe --v=1?
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[15:58:34] <clinth> I have that
[15:58:54] <ellyjones> is it being written to some other place? or to nowhere?
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[15:59:12] <clinth> the downloaded file or the logs?
[16:01:28] <clinth> ooh, it seems the argument to --enable-logging is...a relative path to the directory containing chromium
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[16:02:23] <ellyjones> weird!
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[16:04:57] <clinth> indeed -- and since i'm running this with bazel, that's not a writable location
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[16:50:26] <clinth> hm. I see webrtc_internals.cc logging that GetDefaultDownloadDirectory() is empty :(
[16:52:42] <ellyjones> https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/chrome/browser/download/download_prefs.cc?type=cs&q=kDownloadDefaultDirectory&g=0&l=168 maybe?
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[17:04:30] <clinth> yea, now a guessing game to figure out which of the many branches is failing here :p
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[18:39:25] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on https://ci.chromium.org/p/chromium/builders/ci/win32-rel/13876 "win32-rel" from 5bfe379ac7660afd6d7a47f1b1641bafbc6a6a28: )
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[18:49:29] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by adithyas at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Probably another instance of https://crbug.com/892309, waiting)
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[19:21:04] <luneff> hey guys! does anyone use ozone-wayland version of chromium? Is it stable or it's in alpha state?
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[19:42:00] <luneff> specifically, 72.x from meta-browser. I can't yet build 73.x for some reason
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[19:52:16] <Tarnyko> luneff: ozone-wayland state depends on the team's target version of Chromium. It always works at milestones (http://www.tarnyko.net/en/?q=node/50) . I guess you could check the repo's last commits, to deduce the last version it supports
[19:56:49] <Tarnyko> luneff: latest repo seems to live here ( https://github.com/Igalia/chromium/tree/ozone-wayland-dev ). The branches actually have Chromium version numbers in their names
[19:57:17] <luneff> "NOTE: All the work has moved to the Chromium mainline repository. This repo is being updated on a weekly basis and some patches may land here first. This is not a fork, but rather a downstream branch for first round reviews."
[19:57:30] <Tarnyko> luneff: good catch :)
[19:57:45] <luneff> I mean, has anyone used ozone-wayland in the wild? is it usable or it is supposed to crash just as of yet?
[19:58:39] <luneff> it seems crashy for me on a RPi3 under weston. #raspberrypi guy hints on using llvm6 instead of llvm7 :-)
[19:59:02] <Tarnyko> luneff: I used it, but 3 years ago ^^. The binary found on my site is quite stable. The thing is, if you build it yourself without guidance, you can expect some issues
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[19:59:33] <luneff> I use yocto for everything :-D I don't even want to try to build it manually :-D
[19:59:40] <Tarnyko> luneff: let me know ! I'm also interested
[20:00:26] <luneff> yeah :-D I've found video/compositing acceleration patches, and I'll try ozone-wayland with those. If it will not go well, I'll revert to x11 (doesn't really make much difference for my project)
[20:00:44] <Tarnyko> haha ok. any messages when it crashes ? if the compositor itself crashes, eventually in weston's logs ?
[20:01:32] <luneff> just a segfault :-( Probably that llvm6/llvm7 issue
[20:01:47] <luneff> weston survives
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[20:04:42] <Tarnyko> hmmm. I remember Yocto also produces debug packages. If you install these, you may debug with gdb ; beware though, out of memory if weight ~ 1 Gb
[20:04:53] <Tarnyko> *it weighs
[20:09:07] <luneff> I sincerely hope to avoid that. 1) it's a raspberry pi, so I'd need to establish remote debugging which is out of scope, 2) even if I find a backtrace, I have no idea how chromium works internally and what could be the cause :-D
[20:11:27] <Tarnyko> I could help you with 2). But 1) is a problem I agree.
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[20:13:30] <Tarnyko> I won't have time to rebase my chromium branch before 2 weeks. I guess it's too long for you, and if you don't find any solution, you're better reverting for now
[20:15:06] <luneff> :-) no problem. I'll test for crashing and go to x11 if I can't do anything about it. What worries me is that "use llvm6". I seem to have llvm8 in yocto :-D
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[20:16:57] <luneff> thank you, btw! :-)
[20:18:51] <Tarnyko> yw!
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