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[00:03:00] <jugglinmike1> Mek: do you know offhand the name of the flag?
[00:04:26] <Mek> jugglinmike1: --enable-experimental-web-platform-features. Shouldn't need any virtualtests stuff though, since content_shell --run-layout-test also enables experimental stuff by default
[00:05:06] <jugglinmike1> even for the wpt directory?
[00:05:37] <Mek> I think so, yes
[00:05:45] <jugglinmike1> I was assuming I would based on the navigation preload patch I submitted a few months ago: https://codereview.chromium.org/2735443002
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[00:06:14] <jugglinmike1> although it looks like that entry in the VirtualTestSuites file has since been modified
[00:07:12] <Mek> yeah, I didn't do things entirely right with foreign fetch (i.e. no dedicated command line option to enable it, instead using the generic experimental features one)
[00:08:49] <jugglinmike1> okay, so this will probably work when I use `run-webkit-tests`. I just need to enable it in my browser for it to work during manual test execution
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[00:09:51] <Mek> yeah
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[00:34:06] <madprops> i noticed borders are more thick since the new chrome update
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[05:34:25] <pennTeller> Hi guys. Maybe a dumb question but.. How related is chromium to google chrome. Is it still sending info to google even when I am on a site unrelated to any google service?
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[05:52:16] <rockot> yikes, the CQ has been bad today. anyone know what's going on?
[05:53:38] <ivan> pennTeller: https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/privacy/whitepaper.html
[05:54:35] <pennTeller> ivan, but does it apply to chromium? or is it just google chrome?
[05:54:54] <ivan> pennTeller: that's for chrome. chromium still hits some google services. there are some patchsets that try to completely remove any google services from chromium.
[05:55:32] <pennTeller> ivan, that's good to know. Do you know of an alternative that is not Firefox?
[05:56:38] <rookey> Hello, I need a clear answer about something. My company has invested heavily in an internal extension that we use as a tool and we would like to know if any updates in the very near future will make us have to invest ton of money to make the extension supported by the very latest version
[05:56:47] <rookey> chromium updates
[05:57:08] <pennTeller> rookey, it shouldnt
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[05:58:19] <rookey> pennTeller: you are saying that updates in the near future shouldn't break already working extensions ?
[05:59:12] <pennTeller> rookey, there is always a risk that the extension will break but it probably wont cost a ton of money.
[05:59:19] <rookey> ok
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[06:02:46] <rookey> pennTeller: it makes zero sense to keep an older chromium version for the sake of having it working ?
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[06:06:14] <ivan> rookey: it depends on if you want to leave your network vulnerable to browser bugs
[06:06:17] <ivan> you probably don't
[06:06:24] <rookey> yeah
[06:10:15] <pennTeller> rookey, ivan is right. Not worth it.
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[06:25:48] <rookey> pennTeller: why does debian have version 37 in oldstable ? they claim that security is still maintained in oldstable
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[06:35:05] <pennTeller> rookey, no idea about that one man
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[08:09:16] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on /builders/WebKit%20Win%20Builder%20%28dbg%29/builds/120057 "WebKit Win Builder (dbg)" from 9e472e822debee5894442de2b77dfd46d0ae9547: bokan at chromium dot org,dmazzoni@chromium.org,wychen@chromium.org,yuweih@chromium.org)
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[08:25:21] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by peria at chromium dot org: Tree is open (Win Builder dbg compile error; Looks flaky)
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[08:31:10] <rockot> sheriffs: anyone around?
[08:31:10] <trungl-bot> dmazzoni, gabc, peria, kolos: ^^^
[08:32:50] <peria> rockot: yes, i am
[08:34:00] <rockot> seeing a very large number of PrefHashBrowserTest* failures on windows CQ bots
[08:34:19] <rockot> are you aware of these failures?
[08:34:35] <rockot> it seems to have been going on for quite some time
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[10:30:50] <drott> peria, are you still sheriffing?
[10:31:45] <peria> drott: I'm still on-line, but my working time is over.
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[10:36:03] <drott> peria, ok, do you know who's next?
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[10:40:35] <peria> drott: not sure, but I think kolos is. You can find the name list on https://chromium-build.appspot.com/p/chromium/console
[10:42:30] <drott> okay, thanks.
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[11:30:26] <maxmorin> Gee, loading buildbot URLs has been extremely slow the last few days
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[12:34:52] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on /builders/Mac/builds/27467 "Mac" from 3b4c47659ea48f66c256654e99950e9511b520ec: bauerb at chromium dot org,nednguyen@google.com,peconn@chromium.org)
[12:38:54] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by kolos at google dot com: Tree is open (Probably infra problem)
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[13:20:41] <mikeecb> is there something similar to RuntimeData for extensions but that persists across restarts?
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[13:27:34] <mikeecb> ah found it! StateStore (y)
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[14:01:24] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on /builders/Win/builds/55146 "Win" from ec987e5daec026525a096c0c4a6fbb32e87eddd6: ahaas at chromium dot org,pdfium-deps-roller@chromium.org,rhalavati@chromium.org,slangley@chromium.org,v8-autoroll@chromium.org,xidachen@chromium.org,yhirano@chromium.org)
[14:03:47] <johndoe> anyone knows of any examples of using base::bind + lambda?
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[14:06:46] <johndoe> cs: bind\(.*\[\] pcre:yes lang:cc finds them
[14:07:11] <maxmorin> If it's captureless it should just work
[14:07:41] <johndoe> and with capture?
[14:07:50] <maxmorin> If you need to capture things, use Bind for that
[14:07:51] <johndoe> I see an example here https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/cc/raster/raster_buffer_provider_unittest.cc?q=bind%5C(.*%5C%5B%5C%5D+pcre:yes+lang:cc&l=415&dr=C
[14:07:52] <maxmorin> I think
[14:07:57] <johndoe> yeah exactly :)
[14:08:21] <johndoe> is it possible to ignore a lambda argument? (ie. I don't need it and don't want to bother spelling out the full type)
[14:09:23] <maxmorin> Don't think so?
[14:10:12] <johndoe> ok, thanks for the pointers :)
[14:10:25] <johndoe> ...or atleast listening to me think out loud =D
[14:11:38] <maxmorin> :)
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[14:33:35] <ellyjones> johndoe: can you type it as 'auto'? that would be cheeky if it worked
[14:35:17] <maxmorin> Well, the compiler wouldn't be able to infer types for base::Bind([](auto) {}), but maybe if you specify the signature for Bind?
[14:35:27] <ellyjones> it might be able to infer it from use, though
[14:35:44] <ellyjones> like if the function takes a base::Callback<void(SomeHorribleLongThing)>
[14:35:53] <ellyjones> I'm not sure this is a good idea, but it might work :P
[14:38:39] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is open (Automatic: ♩‿♩)
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[18:05:52] <rookey> Hi, could someone please tell me if in the recent version there has been a radical extension api change ?
[18:05:57] <rookey> recent versions *
[18:06:42] <ellyjones> do you have a specific change in mind?
[18:06:45] <Garbee> rookey, What problem are you experiencing?
[18:06:47] <ellyjones> and/or what do you mean by "radical" and "recent"
[18:07:19] <rookey> Garbee: I just have an extension that works flawlessly with latest version and want to find out if I will have to hire people to update it soon
[18:07:46] <Garbee> So, you're asking if something may possibly break in the future?
[18:07:58] <rookey> Garbee: Not in 5 years, in 2 years for example
[18:08:35] <Garbee> It depends on what the team decides internally as far as whatever API in question is concerned.
[18:08:59] <rookey> Garbee: But I use firefox extensions that are 6-7 years old and they still work... why Chromium drops stuff so actively ?
[18:09:15] <Garbee> And "radical" is quite vague to define so who knows in the first place the boundaries of your question.
[18:09:26] <ellyjones> if you name a specific API we've dropped, there is most likely a bug in the tracker explaining why we've done so
[18:09:34] <Garbee> Well, if those extensions aren't web-based then they're about to die at the end of the year.
[18:10:11] <rookey> ellyjones: To understand, when you drop an API its just a syntax change to support the new one ?
[18:10:17] <ellyjones> that depends?
[18:10:24] <Garbee> But, as far as *Chrome* is concerned. We can't answer as to whether or not your extensions will function perfectly in 2 years or not. There's a lot of movement that happens.
[18:10:31] <ellyjones> you are asking super general questions to which there are not general answers
[18:11:24] <Garbee> We can say we *expect* things to continue to function as they area (aside from the known apps deprecation on non-ChromeOS platforms.)
[18:11:31] <Garbee> s/area/are
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[18:11:59] <Garbee> But, that isn't a "It is *going* to keep working so don't worry" answer. Because, no one has any clue if that's true. We'll know as things happen.
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[18:15:42] <darktears> rbyers: around?
[18:16:40] <Torne> once extension APIs are released to stable they've rarely been dropped, and only with lot sof warning as far as I know
[18:16:59] <Torne> the only major deprecation i'm aware of is v1 extension manifests and i think that was over more than a year
[18:17:28] <Garbee> And the APIs are typically versioned. So if removal/major changes happen you only get it gone by updating the API version you talk to.
[18:17:33] <ellyjones> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!forum/chromium-extensions is where any changes would be announced, pretty far in advance
[18:17:49] <ellyjones> unfortunately it seems to also be a discussion group? :shrug:
[18:18:00] <Garbee> It could get forced (like v2 manifest now is.) But its not likely unless something critical is occurring.
[18:18:40] <Torne> extension manifest v1 was deprecated in 2012 (generated console warnings), but loading existing ones wasn't actually blocked until 2014
[18:19:03] <Torne> there were lots of intermediate steps there to notify developers and make it obvious in teh store
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[18:19:40] <Garbee> rookey, have you had times in the past where the extension has been outright broken because of a Chrome API change?
[18:20:15] <Garbee> Typically what happens is specialized extensions are made. Then the target of some data input changes which causes updates to be needed.
[18:20:50] <Torne> there are very few changes to extension APIs documented in the changelog - it doesn't seem like a major concern
[18:21:58] <rookey> Torne: so I should not worry ?
[18:22:07] <Garbee> Don't worry until something is broken.
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[18:22:30] <Garbee> Or you're seeing in the dev console where things will be broken in the future.
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[18:24:12] <Torne> generally the only time APIs are going to be withdrawn/changed in incompatible ways is when there's a security issue, and even that may not be particularly immediate depending on the severity of the problem
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[18:59:41] <rookey> Is YouTube supported even in very old Chromium versions ?
[19:00:02] <nicholss> I am getting all purple in the trybots
[19:00:10] <nicholss> is this my cl or are the trybots sad?
[19:00:53] <Torne> rookey: if you have a really old version it's possible it won't support the right set of media features and may have to fall back to using Flash
[19:01:13] <Torne> you shouldn't be using old versions, though; they have known security problems
[19:01:28] <nicholss> it is me
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[19:42:46] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on /builders/Linux%20ChromiumOS%20Builder%20%28dbg%29/builds/87226 "Linux ChromiumOS Builder (dbg)" from f446a768a5697d933f1d80ab1ceac3bf3b0d9bfe: robertogden at chromium dot org,stevenjb@chromium.org)
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[20:05:58] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is open (Automatic: शुभ कामना!)
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[20:50:05] <jugglinmike> Mek: I'm getting ready to file either a spec bug or a Firefox bug. Do you have a moment to validate my reading?
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[21:02:06] <Mek> jugglinmike: I have a moment, yes
[21:02:26] <jugglinmike> thanks!
[21:02:34] <jugglinmike> I've written it up here https://gist.github.com/jugglinmike/773287f814261dd38787de219f638f6f
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[21:13:29] <Mek> jugglinmike: interesting... Your reading does appear to be correct. Not sure what the correct fix would be though, maybe somehow ignore the postMessage/attempt to run the worker if the worker's state is "redundant" (as opposed to/in addition to the current check that checks if the ServiceWorker objects "state" attribute is "redundant")
[21:14:44] <jugglinmike> Yeah, I was tempted to submit a patch that made postMessage check whether the worker was running, but that would be going too far in the other direction.
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[21:15:20] <jugglinmike> I think the fix will be a little difficult, because it's currently tough to say why a "not running" worker is in that state from `postMessage`
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[21:16:56] <jugglinmike> But thanks for your time! I'll follow up with a spec bug shortly
[21:17:10] <Mek> yeah, we'd rather not require postMessage to somehow synchronously know if the worker was unregistered/made redundant (so can't just throw based on the workers state, hence why there is the post a task and only check the attribute of the ServiceWorker object instead), but the currently specced behavior definitely seem weird
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[22:35:01] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "compile" on /builders/Mac%20Builder%20%28dbg%29/builds/128099 "Mac Builder (dbg)" from 0357ef87967c4633b4d6c39de8362ed03831ef90: bpastene at chromium dot org,bsep@chromium.org,eugenebut@chromium.org,petewil@chromium.org,sammiequon@chromium.org,wangxianzhu@chromium.org)
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[22:35:31] <jugglinmike> Mek: Do you know how I can enable `self.internals` as used in this test https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src.git/+/master/third_party/WebKit/LayoutTests/http/tests/serviceworker/redirected-response.html#23 ?
[22:37:03] <Mek> jugglinmike: run content_shell with --expose-internals-for-testing (can't do it with chrome itself)
[22:37:28] <Mek> or content_shell with --run-layout-test implies exposing internals as well, but that doesn't give you an interactive thing of course
[22:38:22] <jugglinmike> Got it. How do I run content_shell?
[22:39:54] <Mek> well, if you build chromium yourself it's just one of the targets (or build as part of the blink_tests target). I don't think content_shell builds are shipped in any way...
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[22:41:50] <jugglinmike> I did build Chromium, though it's probably a couple of weeks out of date now
[22:42:11] <jugglinmike> Will running that target also trigger re-compilation?
[22:42:39] <Mek> running shouldn't trigger any kind of compilation. So if you build a target that depends on it you should have a content_shell binary in the output dir
[22:44:08] <nlspaeth> I have found a possible css pointer-events bug, but I'm not sure. Is this or #chromium-support the more appropriate channel to discuss that?
[22:45:15] <jugglinmike> ah, I see. I thought you were saying that content-shell was itself implemented as a build target
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[22:50:07] <trungl-bot> Tree opened by gab at google dot com (:gabc): Tree is open (compile breakage reverted by bsep@)
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