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[03:32:44] <Omen20> Hi. How does one make a CRX file for web apps?
[03:34:00] <rubenbb> have you looked at the docs?
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[03:39:05] <Omen20> I'm looking for the docs.
[03:40:00] <Omen20> i think i found it
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[03:47:45] <terinjokes> is there a way to know what version of flash is being used (bundled or non-bundled?)
[03:48:04] <rubenbb> google for adobe check flash version
[03:48:10] <rubenbb> they have a page that will list your flash version
[03:48:15] <terinjokes> that's fine
[03:48:23] <terinjokes> but it doesn't tell me what plugin is being used
[03:48:40] <rsleevi> terinjokes: check about:plugins
[03:48:53] <rubenbb> it should tell you what flash version is installed, also what rsleev said
[03:49:20] <rubenbb> oh you want to know if it's bundled or unbundled, not the version number?
[03:49:25] <terinjokes> exactly
[03:49:39] <rubenbb> are you using Chrome or Chromium?
[03:49:45] <terinjokes> seems about:plugins no longer separates them (or the flash version got backed out)
[03:49:45] <rubenbb> Chromium doesn't have bundled
[03:49:54] <terinjokes> then i must be Chrome
[03:50:12] <terinjokes> well, it's chrome's dev channel, whatever that comes out to be
[03:50:25] <rubenbb> yeah, dev channel is Chrome, dunno, I don't use Chrome
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[03:50:58] <terinjokes> i would use chromium, but I know I won't remember to do daily builds
[03:51:08] <terinjokes> (i have too many other builds to worry about for work ;))
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[04:59:30] <JakeSays> hey whats the name of the chromium embedding api?
[05:03:36] <JakeSays> and is vs2010 supported yet for building chromium?
[05:03:41] <rsleevi> Chrome Frame? or Chromium embedded framework (CEF / CEF2)
[05:03:52] <JakeSays> rsleevi: cef. thats it.
[05:03:59] <JakeSays> there's a cef2?
[05:04:15] <rsleevi> JakeSays: Not presently. There's a bug on crbug.com somewhere about it. It's just a matter of gyp not generating VS2010 projects. There's also a gyp bug filed
[05:04:27] <JakeSays> rsleevi: ah ok
[05:05:01] <rsleevi> JakeSays: I wouldn't get your hopes up either, the gyp bug's been around since 2008 IIRC. However, if you're bored and have time on your hands.... ;-)
[05:05:31] <JakeSays> i wonder how big a task it would be
[05:06:33] <rsleevi> JakeSays: Python a plenty, primarily.
[05:06:53] <JakeSays> hmm
[05:08:31] <JakeSays> so CEF1 had a C api. is it carried forward in CEF2?
[05:09:04] <rsleevi> JakeSays: Dunno. I think CEF2 is still in-development. I'm not really familiar with either, other than their existence.
[05:09:44] <JakeSays> i wasnt a big fan of the C api. had to strip it out.
[05:11:52] <JakeSays> lol yeah its still there. ick.
[05:15:15] <JakeSays> ah cool. apparently the gyp 2010 support is in progress.
[05:16:53] <rsleevi> Nice!
[05:17:07] <rsleevi> I knew I should have starred that bug.. :)
[05:17:14] <JakeSays> lol
[05:18:01] <JakeSays> man, that sure is a lot of python.
[05:25:08] <JakeSays> hmm. i didnt know v8 had x64 support. very cool.
[05:25:43] <rsleevi> JakeSays: Only on Linux, I thought?
[05:26:02] <JakeSays> rsleevi: oh? well that sucks.
[05:27:26] <JakeSays> hope it doesnt stay that way
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[05:43:29] <rubenbb> v8 works on any x64 OS that chromium works on as chromium uses v8, rsleevi
[05:44:04] <rubenbb> you might be thinking of ARM
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[05:44:25] <rsleevi> rubenbb: I was thinking of http://crbug.com/8606
[05:49:38] <rubenbb> hmm, guess you're right, chromium doesn't run on mac in 64-bit either - http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=18323
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[05:50:06] <JakeSays> i wouldn't think chrome64 on windows would be that big of a priority, actually.
[05:50:22] <rubenbb> I build 64-bit chromium on  freebsd so I assumed that it ran on those other OS's too, but I don't use mac/win :)
[05:50:41] <JakeSays> ie64 is pretty much useless since there are virtually no 64bit addons/plugins
[05:50:54] <JakeSays> so i imagine the same to be true for chrome and firefox
[05:51:49] <JakeSays> i'm not as interested in a 64bit chrome as i am in a 64bit v8
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[05:52:33] <rubenbb> extensions are html/js so those work fine, it's binary plugins that won't I guess
[05:53:29] <rubenbb> as for v8, you can try it and see, JakeSays, given it's not a GUI app that's going to pull in a bunch of system libraries, it might work in 64-bit on win/mac too
[05:53:51] <rubenbb> certainly mac since it works for me on freebsd :)
[05:55:02] <rsleevi> rubenbb: At least according to the page http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/64-bit-support , it won't on Win
[05:56:01] <rubenbb> that's a bit old though, but yeah, v8 may not work on win64 yet
[06:00:14] <JakeSays> holy crap someone wrote a VNC client using html5 and websockets. very cool.
[06:01:19] <rsleevi> It looks like Windows 64 bit builds may be supported (see http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=478 )
[06:01:56] <JakeSays> ah very cool!
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[06:09:48] <JakeSays> ah cool there are visual studio x64 project files!
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[06:17:44] <rniwa> hi, is anyone here familiar with handling of key down on mac?
[06:19:15] <rniwa> It seems like there is a regression which produces erroneous character on page down on dev-channel and nightly built which is not present on the latest Chrome release but I don't know to whom I should contact.
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[06:21:07] <JakeSays> lol wow it even works!
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[06:53:25] <JakeSays> wow there are a lot of 64bit build errors on the 2.1 branch
[06:57:04] <rsleevi> heh, so maybe not supported
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[06:58:35] <deusr> hi
[06:58:46] <deusr> someone help me!!
[06:58:55] <rsleevi> deusr: With?
[06:59:01] <deusr> plugin flash
[06:59:24] <rsleevi> deusr: Could you explain the problem / what you need help with?
[06:59:45] <deusr> the flash is not working!
[07:00:45] <deusr> rsleevi: www-plugins/adobe-flash-10.1.53.64
[07:01:14] <rsleevi> deusr: That sounds like there may be a user question in there (see #chromium-support ). Either that or a bug, in which case check http://crbug.com for an existing bug, or consider filing a new one via http://new.crbug.com
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[07:48:48] <monov> hi
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[07:50:05] <monov> I'm making an extension that tweaks a particular site. Each cycle I have to: write some code, go to Extensions tab, click Reload, go to site tab, click F5. Can I skip a step somehow?
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[07:56:09] <rniwa> monov: Hi. #chromium is mainly used for chromium developers (not web developers who use chromium) so I think you'll find discussion groups more helpful: http://www.chromium.org/developers/discussion-groups
[07:56:19] <rsleevi> To anyone familiar with git cl: Is there some special sauce needed to create a CL based on a local branch, that is tracking a branch for a separate CL? That is, I'm trying to stage CLs to keep reviewing simple. When I git cl upload'ed the second, however, I see it also included all the changes from the other branch.
[07:57:02] <rniwa> monov: in particular, there is chromium-extensions group and I'm sure some developers involved in extensions are watching that mailing list.
[07:58:00] <thakis> rniwa: known bug
[07:58:14] <thakis> rniwa: (page down, that is)
[07:58:34] <thakis> rsleevi: `git cl upload basebranch`
[07:58:44] <thakis> where basebranch is the name you want to base the diff on
[07:58:51] <thakis> rsleevi: but be very careful when committing
[07:59:05] <thakis> `git cl dcommit basebranch` doesn't work reliably
[07:59:05] <rniwa> thakis: Thanks. Do you know CR bug # or the bug assignee?
[07:59:17] <thakis> rniwa: assignee is suzhe
[08:00:41] <rniwa> thakis: thanks!
[08:01:03] <rsleevi> thakis: perfect, thanks. Out of curiousity, what's the issue with committing? Just the possibility of the diff being against the wrong head?
[08:01:35] <thakis> rsleevi: that, and it doesn't squash the commits on your branches
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[08:01:56] <thakis> rsleevi: i once puked 20 commits on the tree because of that
[08:02:58] <rsleevi> Eww. Duly noted. I assume the proper way then is commit A, rebase B, commit B, rebase C, commit C, etc?
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[08:05:17] <monov> rniwa: thanks!
[08:05:55] <thakis> rsleevi: that's what i've been doing at least
[08:06:06] <thakis> after that incident :-)
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[08:13:37] <thakis> rniwa: i think the right fix for pgdown for m6 is to revert the regressing cl
[08:14:54] <rniwa> thakis: well, since the bug already has an assignee I'll let her decide on that.  I'm just asking about this because there was someone on #webkit who reported the same bug.  so I wanted to follow up on him
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[09:15:53] <Cheery> I tried using websockets while ago. wondering what's going wrong.
[09:16:30] <Cheery> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/236053
[09:16:37] <Cheery> and trying to get that from localhost
[09:18:08] <Cheery> the trouble is nothing connects when I try to run var ws = new WebSocket("ws://localhost:9999/");
[09:18:35] <Hixie> the handshake rules changed in the past few months
[09:18:58] <Hixie> oh wait, you're not getting a connection at all?
[09:19:43] <Hixie> do you get anything if you just browse to http://localhost:9999/ ?
[09:20:25] <Cheery> Hixie: that indeed threw something for me.
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[09:23:32] <Cheery> Hixie: so the trouble is at how do I use it from the js -side then.
[09:23:58] <Hixie> so you do get a connection if you just go to http://localhost:9999/ in the browser?
[09:25:01] <Cheery> yep
[09:26:17] <Hixie> that's weird then
[09:26:21] <Hixie> no messages on the console?
[09:26:57] <Cheery> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/236055 - this is how I try it
[09:27:16] <Cheery> also, it's not hosted anywhere, I try run it from a local file
[09:27:47] <Cheery> (or should it be?)
[09:27:58] <Hixie> do you get anything on the console?
[09:28:21] <Cheery> nothing after "server opened" -message
[09:28:36] <Cheery> or wait. you mean chrome console right?
[09:28:40] <Hixie> sorry i mean the web browser console
[09:29:01] <Cheery> well there comes the: "starting the connection"  websocket.js:2
[09:29:30] <Hixie> put a console.log() message after the new WebSocket line, see if it gets there
[09:29:41] <Cheery> this is especially weird because I remember seeing a working hummingbird thing.
[09:30:29] <Cheery> Hixie: gets there
[09:31:04] <Hixie> weird
[09:31:05] <Hixie> dunno then
[09:31:12] <Cheery> WTF
[09:31:15] <Hixie> what version of the browser?
[09:31:25] <Cheery> http://demo.hummingbirdstats.com/ - I've seen this site working before. :D
[09:31:37] <Cheery> now it just sits quiet
[09:31:44] <Cheery> yeah. lets look at the version
[09:32:00] <Cheery> 5.0.375.86 (49890)
[09:32:13] <Hixie> demo.hummingbirdstats.com won't work with the latest stuff because of the handshake changes i believe
[09:32:33] <Hixie> hm, could just be a bug in 5.x
[09:32:37] <Hixie> i'm using 6.0.458.1 dev
[09:32:58] <Cheery> well.. time to try my script then. :)
[09:33:57] <Cheery> scripts/wget_latest_chromium
[09:34:57] * Cheery loves using his scripts
[09:35:37] <Hixie> using http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/websocket/ in 6.0.458.1 dev to connect to ws://damowmow.com:11111/demo works for me
[09:36:01] <Cheery> is that some of your demo?
[09:36:38] <Hixie> yes
[09:36:53] <Hixie> server is running http://damowmow.com/playground/demos/websocket/blank-server.pl
[09:37:04] <Cheery> no noise
[09:37:17] <Hixie> (damowmow.com and software.hixie.ch are the same host for the record)
[09:37:30] <Hixie> (not that it matters)
[09:37:46] <Cheery> youre not yet doing virtualhosts with websockets or are you? ;)
[09:38:02] <Hixie> yes, that's what the demo above does
[09:38:25] <Hixie> not that the server checks
[09:38:34] <Hixie> but it tells the client what the host is
[09:38:39] <Hixie> and the client enforces it
[09:38:52] <Cheery> ok. time to try the 52054
[09:39:39] <Cheery> 6.0.463.0 (52054)
[09:40:32] <Cheery> Sun Jul 11 2010 10:43:00 GMT+0300 (EEST)   Connecting to "ws://damowmow.com:11111/demo" with protocol "demo"...
[09:40:36] <Cheery> Sun Jul 11 2010 10:43:01 GMT+0300 (EEST)   Disconnected.
[09:40:37] <Cheery> some progress!
[09:40:47] <Cheery> and happiness resulted. :)
[09:40:58] <Hixie> weird, why did it disconnect
[09:41:24] <Cheery> now stuff comes in and out
[09:42:47] <Cheery> hm.. can I believe it? ubuntu has TERRIBLY outdated chrome browser version. :o
[09:42:56] <Cheery> not as bad as I used to have.
[09:43:52] <Cheery> you've got neat FULL SCREEN -feature added in latest version
[09:44:08] <Cheery> oh.. if you forget those nonbroken websocks. ^^
[09:44:47] <Cheery> 'GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nUpgrade: WebSocket\r\nConnection: Upgrade\r\nHost: localhost:9999\r\nOrigin: null\r\nSec-WebSocket-Key1: 3   v 8^0813   3 41  7 x\r\nSec-WebSocket-Key2: 3/#  6n| rd3"2 17 03%2  F h r\r\n\r\n\x0b\x00\xad[\xb0\x93\x91\xb3'
[09:45:34] <Hixie> progress!
[09:45:40] <Cheery> Sec-WebSocket-Key1: 3   v 8^0813   3 41  7 x
[09:45:47] <Cheery> Sec-WebSocket-Key2: 3/#  6n| rd3"2 17 03%2  F h r
[09:46:06] <Cheery> Hixie: does those look.. HTTP to you?
[09:46:16] <Cheery> are they even allowed keys?
[09:46:19] <Hixie> they look WebSocket to me
[09:47:13] <Hixie> WebSocket has a weird key mechanism to prevent authors from easily writing themselves into a security hole, which looks like the above
[09:47:34] <Cheery> what are those keys used for?
[09:47:35] <Hixie> the spec has a straightforward (i hope) explanation of how to process it
[09:47:48] <Hixie> they're to prove to the client that hte server is a websocket server
[09:47:54] <Hixie> by making the server jump through some simple hopos
[09:47:57] <Hixie> hoops
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[09:48:43] <Cheery> there's also some garbage after the two newlines it seems
[09:48:53] <Hixie> 8 bytes
[09:48:57] <Hixie> that's the third key
[09:49:43] <Cheery> What's the stuff with "Upgrade:" and "Connection:" ?
[09:50:14] <Cheery> well. whatever. I only need to parse this stuff now.
[09:50:19] <Hixie> that's some boilerplate to let people put websocket and http servers on the same port while pretending to be doing things according to the http spec
[09:50:22] <Cheery> it shouldn't be too hard or should it?
[09:50:28] <Hixie> it's pretty easy
[09:50:47] <Hixie> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/complete/network.html#server-side-requirements
[09:51:12] <Hixie> the above explains how to do it
[09:51:15] <Cheery> are the specs stabilizing? can you use it in production system?
[09:51:32] <Hixie> (specifically 10.3.4.4.1 Reading the client's opening handshake and 10.3.4.4.2 Sending the server's opening handshake)
[09:51:38] <Hixie> i wouldn't recommend it today
[09:52:00] <Hixie> the ietf hybi working group is still talking about completely changing the protocol
[09:52:01] <Cheery> well.. I find it a funny tryout anyway. whatever were the actuall status.
[09:52:23] <Hixie> but hte more people use it, the less likely it is to change
[09:52:36] <Cheery> Hixie: well.. maybe it's good to not use it too much then.
[09:52:47] <Cheery> or wel..
[09:52:54] <Hixie> it's hard to say! :-)
[09:52:56] <Cheery> they can come up with actually WORSE protocol than this one is.
[09:53:14] <Cheery> doesn't look too ugly right now.
[09:53:18] <Cheery> especially if it's easy to parse up.
[09:53:30] <Hixie> looks pretty ugly to me, but i'm not sure we can make it better :-)
[09:53:37] <Cheery> I can think about using this to command lots of things straight from my computer. ^^
[09:54:25] <Cheery> up to network-connected home devicery, tiny embedded circuits with web connections.. etc.
[09:54:42] <Cheery> or plain local configs.
[09:55:29] <Cheery> then I also have simple javascript games in mind.. caveflying, bomberman-clones. etc. in multiplayer setting.
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[09:57:25] <Cheery> Hixie: it lets you design crappy GUI dialogs in javascript while actually doing something sensible outside the browser.
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[09:59:32] <Cheery> I find it silly it has went this route. but it's not been easy to write software that's platform independent from box.
[09:59:47] <Cheery> or relatively safe to execute from box.
[10:00:09] <Cheery> thanks to EA and such, people really need that interpreter in between.
[10:00:28] <Cheery> so they won't be rootkitted by malware companies like EA.
[10:03:11] <Cheery> also
[10:04:17] <Cheery> windows and osx are still not dead so there went the dream of commodity operating systems that plainly JUST works.
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[10:12:14] <Cheery> fortunately at some undefined time point things are going to change again. but not too near I guess.
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[10:28:56] <Cheery> Hixie: fortunately that WebSocket protocol spec isn't bad. :)
[10:31:14] <Hixie> cool
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[12:05:05] <satish_> hello chromium
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[13:08:45] <selckin> sad they don't have the i/o videos in the html5 beta
[13:08:48] <selckin> wrong window
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[13:20:28] <fishy> hi.  i was toying with lsof -i and saw that chromium was connecting to suspicious URLs.  any idea how to best determine which page initiated the request?
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[16:54:44] <Darxus> How are individual tabs taking up half a gig of ram?
[16:55:01] <selckin> 1 byte at a time
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[16:55:40] <Darxus> I have about 60 tabs open, which I realize is silly, but I also have 8 gigs of ram.  And every time I open a new tab or run a program my computer starts swapping and respons slowly, because of the ram chrome is using.
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[16:56:53] <wRAR> because the memory allocated by a tab is freed only when it'c closes
[16:56:56] <selckin> show about:memory
[16:57:43] <wRAR> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=31796
[16:58:01] <joneskoo> is there a way to debug why I'm getting "The site's security certificate is not trusted" on OS X with Chrome dev channel (and stable)? I get this every now and then and it goes away if I restart the browser
[16:58:32] <joneskoo> I'm curious can I capture the current state and try to analyze what is wrong or would I need to reproduce it with some debug commandline, too?
[16:58:52] <joneskoo> it usually happens after a couple of days of relatively light usage, and also pretty randomly
[17:00:05] <Darxus> Eww, thanks.
[17:00:23] <joneskoo> Security Information says "The identity of the website has not been verified." and "Your connection to .... is not encrypted." (and this is a https url). has happened on my bank web site and my own site.
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[17:02:30] <selckin> that bug is full of incorrect information
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[17:03:36] <punkmexic> how can i use google desktop offline in linux?
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[17:07:39] <Darxus> Why, when I click a tab in the task manager, do multiple tasks get selected?
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[17:17:45] <punkmexic> i dont have internet explorer i use linux how can i use googgle desktop offline http://desktop.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13833
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[18:19:51] <pcgod> Darxus: tabs opened by some other tab share the same renderer process
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[18:59:06] <JakeSays> is there a v8 channel?
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[19:53:13] <m0> I am running crash_service.exe to figure out why my browser is crashing. Before, it used to create a crash dump, but I don't see that now.
[19:53:25] <m0> How do you guys do it now?
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[19:55:02] <m0> I guess I will just use windbg instead for now and hook chrome directly. Crash service was easier :/
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[19:59:12] <m0> Ah it is in another location, go it!
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[20:06:01] <steinex> hi. i'm looking for a extension that adds a button to the address bar which when clicked removes the contents of the addressbar
[20:06:16] <steinex> can anyone tell me if such a extension exists?
[20:10:55] <punkmexic> how can i use google desktop offline?
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[20:28:32] <JakeSays> punkmexic: this isnt the google desktop channel
[20:29:33] <punkmexic> thanx JakeSays
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[20:41:08] <satish_> hello chromium
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[20:46:01] <skanduk> hello satish_
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[21:03:00] <satish_> anyone available for a code review?
[21:03:45] <dk1> hey, is there any way to force chromium to prefer h264 for html5 without a recompile?
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[21:17:29] <rohan> why does the chromium dev channel for linux not have the consolidated menu?
[21:19:16] <pcgod> rohan: --enable-new-wrench-menu
[21:19:45] <rohan> thanks, pcgod .. it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the changelogs so..
[21:19:54] <pcgod> (it not enabled by default on != windows)
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[22:19:38] <thakis> rohan: the next dev channel will have it onl inux
[22:23:05] <rohan> thakis: great, thank you
[22:23:31] <rohan> i especially liked how the zoom control is inbuilt into the menu option itself, under windows.. will that be the same for linux too?
[22:25:19] <eggy> mm?
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[23:10:07] <trungl-bot> Tree closed by buildbot at chromium dot org: Tree is closed (Automatic: "base_unittests" on "Modules XP" from 52065: mbelshe at chromium dot org)
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