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[02:19:01] <jennyz> crbug/102007, I was not able to see our internal projects for chromeos, all I see is 3 playground projects, any idea why?
[02:20:39] <daveparker> jennyz: Are you logged into gerrit-int with your google account?
[02:21:48] <jennyz> yes, I did registered with gerrit-int
[02:23:03] <daveparker> jennyz: I see you in the committers group....so you should be able to see everything.
[02:23:56] <daveparker> jennyz: ...and to confirm, your @google.com email address is in the upper right-hand corner of the window in gerrit-int?
[02:24:40] <jennyz> i am in committer group for chromium-os, but not chromium. will that matter? Yes, jennyz at google dot com is in the upper right hand corner of gerrit-int.
[02:26:05] <jennyz> sorry, i need to run now. Will follow up tomorrow,thx!
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[02:36:38] <oshima_> sheriffs: chromiumos (tegra2) bot on chromium waterfall is failing. is anyone looking into it?
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[02:44:14] <quiche1> chromeos-chrome-17.0.921.0_alpha-r1: Syncing projects:  75% (69/92) src/third_party/pyftpdlib/src
[02:44:14] <quiche1> chromeos-chrome-17.0.921.0_alpha-r1: Error: Command svn update /var/lib/portage/distfiles-target/chrome-src/src/third_party/cacheinvalidation/files/src/google --revision 143 --non-interactive --force --accept theirs-conflict --ignore-externals returned non-zero exit status 1 in /var/lib/portage/distfiles-target/chrome-src
[02:44:14] <quiche1> chromeos-chrome-17.0.921.0_alpha-r1:  * ERROR: chromeos-base/chromeos-chrome-17.0.921.0_alpha-r1 failed (unpack phase):
[02:44:14] <quiche1> chromeos-chrome-17.0.921.0_alpha-r1:  *   /home/chrome-bot/depot_tools/gclient sync failed
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[02:50:49] <quiche1> oshima_: seems like a network/server error to me. would it be reasonable to re-open and see if it recurs?
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[02:53:35] <rcui> yea, looks liek a timeout
[02:54:12] <quiche1> looks like ericroman beat me to it (re-opened the chromiumos-chrome tree)
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[05:27:26] <Knocks> is it possible to get the retail build of chrome os to run on generic hardware
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[05:40:05] <srao> Knocks: possibly, but in general it's usually been tweaked for the hardware so you might have to do some modification
[05:40:30] <srao> and you wouldn't probably use any of the run-time verified boot stuff
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[05:44:50] <srao> for the tree... seems like gsutil flaked out
[05:46:51] <Knocks> srao: i just want a pre-compiled build that's not outdated and can auto-update
[05:46:56] <Knocks> it doesn't have to be retail, i guess
[05:47:16] <srao> yeah retail wouldn't auto-update on generic hardware
[05:47:40] <Knocks> can't you force it?
[05:47:55] <Knocks> just the stable updates, for example
[05:48:43] <srao> I don't think so, because I think the updater is designed with the assumption that verified boot is enabled, and you'd have to turn it off for generic hardware most likely
[05:49:01] <srao> someone could make make a different updater, but I'm not sure if anyone has done that
[05:49:11] <srao> could *maybe* make a different
[05:49:20] <Knocks> hexxeh did
[05:49:39] <Knocks> but his vanilla builds are compiled at just a little over 2GB
[05:49:46] <srao> yeah you're right.. i just found that on a search
[05:49:49] <Knocks> and won't fit on my SD card
[05:49:56] <Knocks> not sure why it's like that
[05:50:07] <srao> i think that's usually the size we use for our builds as well
[05:50:11] <Knocks> 2,051,032,576 bytes
[05:50:19] <srao> he's probably just using the default size
[05:50:33] <Knocks> even though the partitions are only like 900MB and 700MB each
[05:50:47] <Knocks> i went out and got a 2GB because he said that's what i needed
[05:50:54] <Knocks> :-|
[05:51:11] <srao> yeah you could ask him to make them smaller .. I believe he has his own IRC channel
[05:51:24] <srao>  #hexxeh
[05:51:38] <srao> ah I see you're already there..
[05:51:47] <Knocks> i've tweeted him actually
[05:51:53] <Knocks> i think he's kind of hands off these days
[05:52:46] <Knocks> any other place that has compiled builds?
[05:52:58] <Knocks> they don't have to be bleeding edge or anything
[05:53:41] <srao> sorry, not aware of any
[05:53:45] <srao> a few other people used to
[05:53:59] <Knocks> so what's this built bot thing
[05:54:06] <Knocks> can i actually download binaries from there?
[05:54:57] <srao> nah that's an internal build system, it's just building the tree which you could check out and build yourself
[05:55:13] <srao> it's actually not too bad, you'll mostly pull down pre-compiler packages from those builders
[05:55:22] <srao> pre-compiled packages
[05:55:31] <srao> i don't think the actual build images are exported though
[05:55:58] <Knocks> well unless it's something i can just download and press the "build" button, it probably won't be terribly useful to me
[05:56:00] <Knocks> :)
[05:57:11] <srao> yeah it's not too bad, but not quite that simple either
[05:57:25] <Knocks> i'm not really a developer
[05:57:45] <Knocks> just want to convert my primary laptop into a part-time chromebook
[05:58:00] <Knocks> wish there was a way to trim those 2,051,032,576 bytes
[05:59:03] <srao> hexxeh's got some images which aren't too old
[06:00:22] <srao> let's see what they look like
[06:00:31] <Knocks> feb 2010 is his latest one
[06:00:43] <srao> i see one from today
[06:00:52] <Knocks> oh those are vanilla
[06:01:15] <srao> yeah i guess by vanilla he means stock chromium os
[06:01:23] <srao> that's what you'd get from our builders anyway
[06:01:27] <Knocks> yeah
[06:02:00] <srao> actually you can probably ignore what's at the end of those images
[06:02:01] <srao> well
[06:02:07] <srao> no that's not quite true
[06:02:16] <srao> that's the part you'd need on generic hardware i think :-(
[06:02:22] <Knocks> well
[06:02:31] <Knocks> they just include images of two partiions
[06:02:34] <Knocks> ext2 and ext3
[06:02:42] <Knocks> and combined they are a lot less than a full 2GB
[06:02:51] <Knocks> but for some reason the .img file is over
[06:03:00] <srao> yeah, the stuff to boot on legacy biosen is at the end though
[06:03:26] <srao> you could probably shrink the unused partitions some
[06:03:34] <srao> and make it fit
[06:03:53] <Knocks> i thought people were booting it with grub
[06:04:17] <Knocks> http://techpp.com/2011/10/11/how-to-dual-boot-chromium-os-with-windows/
[06:04:22] <srao> well it comes with syslinux that boots grub
[06:04:46] <Knocks> this kid just copied the two partitions to his main hard drive
[06:04:46] <srao> but i think syslinux and grub and the kernels are on the last partition
[06:05:25] <srao> his image uncompressed is actually less than 2GiB
[06:05:46] <Knocks> which one?
[06:05:46] <srao> 2051032576 / ( 1024 * 1024 * 1024) = 1.910172
[06:06:11] <srao> i guess the things they sell you are in stupid power of 10 gigabytes though
[06:06:29] <Knocks> which file?
[06:06:55] <srao> it's the same size as what you said there... http://distribution.hexxeh.net/archive/cinnamon/0.15.886.2011_10_27_1626-r9cd98ea2/ChromeOS-Cinnamon-0.15.886.2011_10_27_1626-r9cd98ea2.tar.gz
[06:07:08] <srao> so it probably won't fit
[06:07:29] <Knocks> what's cinnamon all about?
[06:07:37] <srao> not sure
[06:07:44] <djkurtz> srao:  any more insight into "gsutil flaked out"?
[06:08:12] <srao> djkurtz: don't know just looked like it failed while archiving... I'd fill a bug against troopers and re-open the tree
[06:08:54] <srao> actually Knocks... the partition layout looks like the last 16MiB are stuff you don't need
[06:09:26] <srao> that might not be enough to fit you though
[06:09:50] <srao> if you could shrink the ext3 partition and relocate the stuff after it, you could make it fit
[06:11:48] <Knocks> here's the thing though
[06:11:58] <Knocks> if I write that .img to a larger drive
[06:12:02] <Knocks> and then look at it in gparted
[06:12:18] <Knocks> all i see is an ext2 and ex3 partitions
[06:12:24] <Knocks> and combined they are less than 2GB
[06:12:27] <Knocks> how is that possible
[06:13:06] <srao> hmm I'm looking at the file in parted
[06:13:17] <srao> there's a fat16
[06:13:28] <srao> you don't see that one ?
[06:14:12] <Knocks> how can i inspect it from windows?
[06:15:19] <srao> hmm not sure it uses a GPT partition table
[06:15:46] <Knocks> but accordin to that guy
[06:15:51] <Knocks> he got it to work on a local hard drive
[06:16:01] <Knocks> just by copying the ext2 and ext3 paritions and installing grub
[06:16:12] <Knocks> no mention of the fat16 one
[06:16:15] <srao> yeah that seems plausible
[06:16:18] <Knocks> does that make sense?
[06:16:27] <srao> the purpose of the fat16 one is to hold the bootloader stuff
[06:16:37] <srao> he basically substituted his own stuff
[06:16:42] <Knocks> i see
[06:16:47] <Knocks> well, in that case
[06:17:13] <Knocks> maybe i should just stop messing around with live usb sticks
[06:17:28] <Knocks> i already have my C:
[06:17:32] <Knocks> drive sub-partitioned
[06:17:48] <Knocks> just need to figure out how to make them bootable
[06:18:22] <srao> if you have grub installed, it should be able to read ext2/3 natively
[06:18:40] <srao> so you can write a grub config file that boots chromium os off those partitions
[06:18:57] <Knocks> i actually cheated last night
[06:18:57] <srao> you'd have to copy a kernel onto one of the partitions and load and boot it
[06:19:01] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is open ("tegra2_aebl-binary": gsutil flake crosbug.com/22216)'
[06:19:07] <Knocks> and went with easyBCD
[06:19:23] <Knocks> but i arrived at a black screen with a blinking cursor
[06:20:01] <Knocks> and i didn't know if that meant the bootloader stuff wasn't correct or if chromium os just failed to load because it doesn't work with my machine
[06:20:08] <srao> when you tried to boot chromium os ?
[06:20:12] <srao> what kind of machine is it
[06:20:14] <Knocks> yes.  that was last night
[06:20:28] <Knocks> so tonight i decided to run it from a live stick and make sure my laptop will run it in the first place
[06:20:34] <Knocks> it's a vaio
[06:20:37] <Knocks> core i3
[06:20:45] <srao> chromium-os should work on that
[06:20:53] <Knocks> ok
[06:21:08] <Knocks> so maybe i just didn't know what the heck i was doing with the bootloader
[06:21:15] <srao> sounds possible
[06:21:16] <Knocks> i basically followed that guy's instructions
[06:22:27] <Knocks> but i was skeptical because he sounded pretty confident that menu.lst should say root(hd0,2) and   kernel sda3
[06:22:36] <srao> so, yeah basically he has a grub config file for his config
[06:22:47] <srao> did you partition your system in exactly the same way ?
[06:22:52] <Knocks> i changed it to hd0,1 and sda2 because that's what made sense to me
[06:23:07] <Knocks> i followed his instructions, but gparted reported the ext partition as sda2
[06:23:11] <Knocks> so i changed it
[06:24:10] <srao> one thing is we don't show any diagnostic messages when booting because we disable it
[06:24:18] <srao> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 rwnoresume noswap i915.modeset=1 loglevel=1 cros_debug
[06:24:21] <srao> that line
[06:24:34] <Knocks> ok
[06:24:40] <Knocks> so his stuff has too much?
[06:24:41] <srao> you might try removing  "i915.modeset=1 loglevel=1 "
[06:24:49] <srao> well it's fine if everything is working
[06:24:58] <srao> but if something isn't working it's doesn't tell you much
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[06:25:10] <Knocks> i think i got the blinking cursor even when i autocreated the entry with easybcd
[06:25:29] <srao> the blinking cursor is after you see a grub menu ?
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[06:25:41] <Knocks> no
[06:25:48] <srao> hm
[06:25:49] <Knocks> after i select chromeOS
[06:25:55] <Knocks> whether it's grub or something else
[06:26:06] <Knocks> standard windows OS selection screen
[06:26:15] <srao> oh
[06:26:20] <srao> so maybe grub isn't installed properly
[06:27:04] <srao> yeah I bet that's the problem
[06:27:08] <Knocks> can we just replicate the way it is in the developer builds
[06:27:13] <Knocks> but do it from windows?
[06:28:09] <srao> you should be able to just boot that image off a usb stick... except that you don't have one that's big enough ?
[06:28:20] <Knocks> haha correct
[06:28:26] <Knocks> and i have the flu and won't be leaving the house
[06:28:36] <Knocks> otherwise i'd just go buy a 4GB stick
[06:28:47] <srao> so you have to manually adjust the partition layout
[06:28:53] <srao> i have no idea how to do that in windows
[06:29:14] <srao> i don't use windows generally but I'd guess you'd need some kind of partition editor
[06:29:40] <srao> well, actually that isn't enough either
[06:29:49] <srao> because you'd have to resize the filesystems too
[06:30:02] <Knocks> what do you mean?
[06:30:06] <Knocks> the partitions have been copied
[06:30:24] <Knocks> from the vanilla image
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[06:30:30] <Knocks> so that part is done
[06:30:35] <srao> i mean in order to fit that image onto your slightly too small usb stick
[06:30:41] <srao> you're saying to boot from the HD
[06:30:52] <Knocks> but if my laptop can handle it, i'm ok with skipping the usb altogether
[06:31:04] <srao> you need to get a working grub, that part can't be worked around if you want to share windows and chromium-os
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[06:31:46] <srao> like I said I'm not really an expert on windows so I'm not sure how to help you with that part
[06:31:53] <Knocks> haha yeah
[06:32:03] <Knocks> #linux people want nothing to do with it either
[06:32:34] <srao> it's pretty hard to figure this stuff out remotely... especially on windows
[06:32:43] <Knocks> windows is flaky
[06:32:49] <srao> i did my share of that years and years ago... not sorry that I stopped :-)
[06:33:07] <srao> yeah and there's a million different variations and customizations
[06:33:08] <Knocks> to be honest last night was my first time on IRC in many many years
[06:33:18] <srao> it's pretty tough to know what's going wrong
[06:34:11] <srao> yeah you need to find some windows folks ... I'm sure they're out there somewhere :-)
[06:35:33] <Knocks> are you familiar with EasyBCD?
[06:35:37] <srao> nope
[06:35:40] <Knocks> it seems very straightforward
[06:35:45] <Knocks> just need to give it proper instructions
[06:35:46] <srao> i had to look it up
[06:35:53] <Knocks> it will add entry for whatever OS you need to boot
[06:36:09] <srao> but the blinking cursor symptom does seem to indicate a busted grub install
[06:36:15] <Knocks> let's you choose from Windows, Linux/BSD, Mac, and NeoGrub
[06:36:18] <srao> maybe you just need to try reinstalling grub ?
[06:36:40] <srao> i've only used linux for the last 10 years
[06:36:54] <srao> not even dual boot
[06:37:28] <Knocks> i'll poke around with this thing more
[06:37:41] <Knocks> not sure why Linux/BSD and NeoGrub are separate choices
[06:37:52] <srao> i've never even heard of NeoGrub... :-)
[06:38:11] <srao>  "Think of NeoGrub as EasyBCD's "magic bootloader" "
[06:38:18] <srao> seems to be specific to easybcd
[06:38:42] <Knocks> i see
[06:38:46] <srao> I guess you can install that
[06:38:47] <Knocks> so it's an alternative then
[06:39:06] <srao> yeah it seems to take grub-style config files
[06:39:24] <Knocks> ah, perfect
[06:39:29] <srao> you could probably just use the same grub config file you already have
[06:39:52] <Knocks> timeout 0
[06:39:52] <Knocks> default 1
[06:39:52] <Knocks> tiltle ChromiumOS
[06:39:52] <Knocks> root(hd0,1)
[06:39:52] <Knocks> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 rwnoresume noswap i915.modeset=1 loglevel=1 cros_debug
[06:39:52] <Knocks> quiet
[06:39:57] <srao> yeah
[06:40:14] <Knocks> you agree that it's sda2 if that's what gparted tells me?
[06:40:17] <srao> thought "title"  is spelled wrong
[06:40:28] <Knocks> LOL
[06:40:30] <srao> yeah
[06:40:36] <Knocks> maybe that's the blinking cursor problem?
[06:40:42] <srao> maybe... sorta doubt it
[06:40:47] <srao> easy to check though
[06:40:54] <Knocks> yeah
[06:40:55] <Knocks> wish me luck
[06:40:56] <djkurtz> ok, everything just broke
[06:41:14] <srao> djkurtz: same problem ?
[06:41:24] <Knocks> can i get into IRC from an iphone
[06:41:50] <srao> dunno... probably... "there's an app for that" heh
[06:42:11] <srao> djkurtz: yeah need some troopers
[06:42:21] <Knocks> lol
[06:42:48] <Knocks> here's what the neogrub entry looks like
[06:42:51] <Knocks> Entry #2
[06:42:51] <Knocks> Name: NeoGrub Bootloader
[06:42:51] <Knocks> BCD ID: {030107a4-011d-11e1-be69-f07bcbef8e4d}
[06:42:51] <Knocks> Drive: C:\
[06:42:51] <Knocks> Bootloader Path: \NST\NeoGrub.mbr
[06:45:05] <srao> djkurtz: don't see anybody around here unfortunately...
[06:45:21] <djkurtz> nope
[06:45:25] <djkurtz> i can't find anyone
[06:45:43] <srao> yeah they're all gone... maybe some will come online later if we're lucky
[06:47:05] <Knocks> srao i'm going to try the neogrub way
[06:47:52] <srao> Knocks: good luck
[06:47:52] <Knocks> but the Linux option had also GRUB Legacy, GRUB 2, LILO/eLILO, FreeBSD/PC-BSD, Wubi, and SysLinux
[06:48:33] <srao> since you're already using easybcd... and have a config file, neogrub seems like a reasonable thing to try first
[06:48:37] <srao> what did you do before ?
[06:48:43] <Knocks> that's what confused me before
[06:49:04] <srao> probably Grub Legacy would be the next thing I would try
[06:49:12] <srao> and use the same config file
[06:49:16] <Knocks> i think i tried all of them, but the Linux option required selecting device
[06:49:26] <Knocks> and deciding which copy of grub to use
[06:49:33] <Knocks> so maybe i screwed that up somewhere in the process
[06:49:34] <srao> yeah grub can chain-load
[06:49:49] <srao> so it can load another bootloader ... even another copy of grub
[06:49:59] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is closed (djkurtz: investigating network outage?)'
[06:50:00] <srao> i think in your case you probably don't need to do that though
[06:50:30] <srao> if you can control the neo grub through a config file, just point it straight at the chromium os partition
[06:50:46] <srao> you should at least get some kind of output to the screen besides a blinking cursor
[06:51:15] <Knocks> provided that the partitions are copied correctly
[06:51:17] <Knocks> :)
[06:51:20] <Knocks> so many variables
[06:51:43] <srao> even if they're not
[06:51:48] <srao> you'll get some kind of error message
[06:51:55] <Knocks> ok
[06:52:00] <Knocks> i'll report back
[06:52:08] <srao> ok
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[06:59:02] <Knocks> Booting ChromiumOS
[06:59:26] <Knocks> Warning!  No such command: root(hd0,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 rwnoresume noswap i915.modeset=1 loglevel=1 cros_debug
[06:59:26] <Knocks> quiet
[06:59:33] <Knocks> Error 15: File not found
[06:59:38] <Knocks> Press any key to continue...
[06:59:49] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is closed (djkurtz: network issues: crosbug.com/22216)'
[07:00:57] <srao> well at least it's not a blinking cursor
[07:01:15] <srao> i'm guessing the problem is that the kernel isn't in the correct location
[07:01:24] <srao> i.e. there isn't a /boot/vmlinuz file
[07:01:35] <Knocks> on the ext2?
[07:01:39] <srao> yeah
[07:01:44] <srao> it's not usually there
[07:02:17] <srao> in our verified boot the kernel actually lives on it's own partition... in our version of legacy boot it lives on that fat16 partition
[07:02:35] <srao> i'm not sure if hexxeh puts it in /boot/ on his images though
[07:02:43] <srao> i know you can read ext2 in windows though
[07:02:48] <srao> so you could try to check
[07:02:58] <srao> have to install some third party driver though
[07:03:02] <Knocks> verified = retail chromebook?
[07:03:25] <srao> yeah
[07:04:06] <Knocks> shouldn't i be able to put it in the root of my c:\ drive?
[07:04:12] <Knocks> ah, it's NTFS
[07:04:22] <srao> yeah i don't know if neogrub can read ntfs
[07:04:24] <srao> maybe it can ?
[07:04:35] <srao> that would be a cool trick
[07:06:10] <srao> actually, if it's reading it's config file off NTFS then it definitely could read the kernel off NTFS also
[07:06:55] <srao> "s of EasyBCD 1.7, most of NeoGrub's limitations have been lifted and it can now be used in the same exact way as a standard GRUB bootloader except that it has added support for some Windows-specific features and can read/load from an NTFS-based partition."
[07:07:11] <Knocks> ok
[07:07:25] <Knocks> the partitions are named hda3 and hda4 in windows
[07:07:30] <Knocks> is that a problem
[07:07:50] <srao> hmm, I don't think windows uses that nomenclature
[07:07:57] <srao> is this from some other program ?
[07:08:04] <Knocks> yes it's a util
[07:08:18] <Knocks> but it's 3 and 4, not 2 and 3
[07:08:25] <srao> ah ok... hda instead of sda says it's probably older
[07:08:32] <srao> yeah that's certainly interesting
[07:08:36] <srao> look at it anyway
[07:08:42] <srao> see if there's a /boot/vmlinuz
[07:08:46] <srao> on either one
[07:08:52] <Knocks> they're empty
[07:08:58] <Knocks> they shouldn't be
[07:09:01] <Knocks> i think it's lying
[07:09:40] <Knocks> the one that's hda3 is \device\harddisk0\partition2
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[07:09:49] <Knocks> god, i'm so confused
[07:10:13] <srao> well if windows uses 0 based numbering then it's actually consistent
[07:10:21] <srao> i.e. is there a partition0
[07:10:26] <Knocks> i'll take your word for it
[07:10:32] <Knocks> bad night to learn a new language
[07:10:33] <Knocks> ;)
[07:10:45] <srao> but the fact that it says they're empty seems bad
[07:10:48] <srao> unless it's just very old
[07:10:56] <srao> the utility i mean
[07:11:11] <Knocks> it thinks the vanilla .img file is empty too
[07:11:18] <Knocks> i'll try a different one
[07:11:38] <srao> well the vanilla img file is probably not going to work since it's not just a raw filesystem
[07:11:42] <srao> it has a partition table etc
[07:12:04] <Knocks> but it supposedly has the ability to read that
[07:12:36] <srao> oh ok
[07:12:42] <srao> well it's also a GPT partition table
[07:12:57] <srao> which is much newer... so again if it's an older utiliity it may not understand that format
[07:13:29] <srao> I guess older bioses though see it as an old style one
[07:13:37] <Knocks> trying a different tool
[07:13:42] <srao> yeah... i'm not sure if it should be able to read something or not :-/
[07:14:08] <Knocks> success
[07:14:19] <Knocks> it reads c-root and c-state
[07:14:52] <srao> nice
[07:14:58] <srao> although those are basically tiny
[07:15:04] <srao> and don't really do anything
[07:15:08] <srao> not a-root ?
[07:15:13] <Knocks> no
[07:15:16] <Knocks> those are the only ones i copied
[07:15:20] <srao> oh
[07:15:21] <Knocks> per that guy
[07:15:30] <Knocks> they're good sized
[07:15:31] <srao> hmm that's odd
[07:15:33] <srao> ok
[07:15:41] <Knocks> and there is a file on c-root called boot\vmlinuz
[07:15:42] <srao> maybe it's different on vanilla
[07:15:47] <srao> ok that's good
[07:16:19] <srao> is this tool reading off the disk or from the img file ?
[07:16:23] <Knocks> disk
[07:16:28] <Knocks> will try to mount the img now
[07:16:56] <srao> disk is actually fine though... that's what grub is looking at
[07:17:00] <Knocks> ok now i see a ton of other partitions
[07:17:03] <srao> what did this tool call those partitions
[07:17:07] <srao> yeah there should be 12
[07:17:14] <srao> well if it's a stock chromium-os image
[07:17:15] <Knocks> including the 16MB fat16 one
[07:17:24] <Knocks> and tons of other ones
[07:17:30] <srao> yeah sounds right
[07:17:41] <Knocks> but that guy said it's ok to only copy the two big ones
[07:17:53] <Knocks> is that true?
[07:18:01] <srao> that's true... those are the ones you actually need
[07:18:19] <srao> i wonder why grub said file not found though
[07:18:31] <Knocks> maybe bad syntax
[07:18:34] <Knocks> too many spaces?
[07:18:47] <Knocks> it seemed to think that those 3 separate lines was one command
[07:19:26] <srao> yeah i think you're onto something there
[07:19:44] <srao> maybe it didn't quite like the file format
[07:19:55] <srao> windows vs unix formatting or something ?
[07:20:09] <Knocks> i'll try again as soon as i verify the partition designations are correct
[07:22:09] <Knocks> by the way, does either ext2 or ext3 need to be active?
[07:22:37] <srao> i don't think so
[07:22:40] <Knocks> ok brb
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[07:23:55] <srao> djkurtz: are you going to leave the tree closed for a while ?
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[07:32:13] <Knocks> onlly two google results for this error
[07:32:16] <Knocks> and they're in chinese :)
[07:33:12] <srao> what's the error
[07:33:45] <Knocks> http://www.google.com/#q=%22no+such+command:+root(hd0%22&pbx=1&oq=%22no+such+command:+root(hd0%22
[07:35:08] <srao> it's the same error as before ?
[07:35:42] <Knocks> yes
[07:35:56] <Knocks> maybe neogrub doesn't like the same commands as the loader that the guy used?
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[07:36:14] <Knocks> http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/NeoGrub+Linux
[07:36:23] <Knocks> i don't see root in their sample file
[07:36:23] <srao> yeah that's possible
[07:36:56] <srao> they're using some "find" command there
[07:36:59] <Knocks> it has "find --set-root" whatever that means
[07:37:01] <srao> maybe try
[07:37:08] <srao> find --ser-root /boot/vmlinuz
[07:37:15] <Knocks> but they claim that to be standard linux lingo
[07:37:20] <srao> err... "find --set-root /boot/vmlinuz"
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[07:37:42] <srao> i'd try that find command
[07:38:41] <srao> find --set-root /boot/vmlinuz
[07:38:49] <srao> instead of root (hd0,1)
[07:39:19] <Knocks> how will it know which partition?
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[07:55:01] <Knocks1> no such command quiet
[07:55:03] <Knocks1> should i delete it?
[07:55:17] <srao> yeah
[07:55:24] <Knocks1> what does it do anyway
[07:55:27] <srao> i take it the find command helped ?
[07:56:05] <Knocks1> it helped me get past that part
[07:56:10] <srao> I think quiet just means less stuff gets printed out
[07:56:22] <srao> which you probably don't care about, at this point anyway
[07:56:24] <Knocks1> my screen switched into high-res
[07:56:34] <Knocks1> gray background
[07:56:41] <Knocks1> shiny chromium logo
[07:56:48] <srao> interesting.... that means it started booting
[07:57:03] <Knocks1> "Your system is repairing itself.  Please wait" in boldface chrome font
[07:57:09] <srao> this is with the quiet command ?
[07:57:14] <Knocks1> yes
[07:57:17] <Knocks1> this is not dos text
[07:57:21] <srao> hmm guess it ignored it
[07:57:48] <srao> repairing... odd you shouldn't see that... maybe it really wants to be on those other partition numbers
[07:57:52] <Knocks1> it gave me other messages before booting the crhome logo but it was quick
[07:58:04] <Knocks1> so i don't remember them
[07:58:17] <Knocks1> the progress indicator freezes after a couple of seconds
[07:58:22] <Knocks1> the chrome ball
[07:58:31] <srao> hmm
[07:58:41] <srao> can you do control-alt-f2 or control-alt-f3 ?
[07:58:42] <Knocks1> the hard drive continued to click, so i thought maybe it's actually repairing
[07:58:53] <Knocks1> but nothing happened after a few minutes
[07:58:56] <Knocks1> i can try
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[07:59:28] <Knocks1> let me remove the quiet command
[07:59:47] <srao> ok
[07:59:57] <srao> it don't think it'll make any difference with the recovery thing though
[08:00:06] <Knocks1> i know
[08:00:17] <Knocks1> maybe that'll let me see some other error messages though
[08:00:29] <Knocks1> cause it goes through them very quickly
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[08:17:17] <Knocks> http://oi56.tinypic.com/wwj8rc.jpg
[08:17:55] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is throttled (djkurtz: network issues affecting internal builders; external builders are all ok: crosbug.com/22216)'
[08:19:54] <Knocks> i can also get to the admin login point
[08:20:04] <Knocks> when i'm not in browser view
[08:20:41] <srao> what do you mean by admin login point ?
[08:20:47] <srao> control-alt-f2 ?
[08:21:20] <Knocks> yes
[08:21:29] <Knocks> after the now repairin screen
[08:21:42] <Knocks> i can exit by hittin ctrl alt f2
[08:21:52] <Knocks> and when i hit ctrl alt f1 again, it takes me to this screen
[08:21:58] <Knocks> which is what it showed originally while booting
[08:22:05] <Knocks> not sure if the last line has any significance
[08:22:08] <srao> hmm
[08:22:12] <srao> nah i don't think so
[08:22:29] <Knocks> i also tried messing with it by changing the partition reference to sda3
[08:22:36] <Knocks> it didn't like it
[08:22:49] <srao> can you login at the terminal (control-alt-f2)
[08:23:00] <srao> username: chronos password: chronos
[08:23:05] <Knocks> crap
[08:23:07] <Knocks> why didn't i try that
[08:23:11] <Knocks> i tried facepunch/facepunch
[08:23:20] <Knocks> which works with hexxeh's builds
[08:23:34] <srao> oh
[08:23:39] <srao> is this one of his builds ?
[08:23:47] <Knocks> sorry vanilla
[08:23:50] <Knocks> but it worked with vanilla too
[08:23:55] <srao> hm
[08:23:56] <Knocks> on my gf's netbook
[08:24:19] <Knocks> actually, i think facepunch is just a fake gmail account he created
[08:24:26] <Knocks> so people could log in without wifi
[08:24:55] <Knocks> anyway, i guess i have to try chronos
[08:24:58] <Knocks> what do i do then?
[08:25:20] <srao> sudo restart ui
[08:25:36] <srao> then switch back to vt1
[08:25:45] <Knocks> what's vt1
[08:26:06] <srao> virtual terminal 1 --- that's where you go when you do control-alt-f1
[08:26:18] <srao> the other one is vt2
[08:26:38] <Knocks> ok so there's only one step
[08:26:45] <Knocks> nevermind
[08:26:57] <Knocks> the sudo line, then vt1
[08:27:03] <Knocks> nothign else i should try?
[08:27:14] <Knocks> like pull fresh files from the server and reformat those partitions
[08:27:21] <Knocks> is there a function like that
[08:27:47] <srao> if there is it's specific to hexxeh's build and I don't know how to do it
[08:28:49] <Knocks> ok :)
[08:28:53] <srao> the other things you could do is stuff like looking at the logs, to see why the login screen isn't coming up
[08:29:00] <srao> but let's just try this first
[08:29:05] <Knocks> ok
[08:29:21] <Knocks> i feel like mario going in the pipe every time i do this windows switch
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[08:37:49] <Knocks> the password for chronos is not chronos
[08:39:24] <Knocks> by the way, this is what it looks like when it first boots up
[08:39:25] <Knocks> http://oi43.tinypic.com/2iuvl2p.jpg
[08:39:36] <Knocks> the progress indicator makes one or two rotations and freezes
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[08:39:59] <srao> hmm
[08:40:26] <srao> without knowing the password... it's going to be hard to do anything
[08:40:42] <srao> i'm surprised facepunch didn't work
[08:40:49] <srao> if this is one of hexxeh's builds
[08:41:38] <Knocks> http://oi40.tinypic.com/21e7qio.jpg
[08:42:35] <srao> yeah
[08:42:36] <djkurtz> srao: I just saw your message in all the traffic
[08:42:55] <djkurtz> srao: I throttled it while Netops investigates
[08:42:55] <srao> djkurtz: no worries, I see you throttled the tree
[08:43:22] <srao> djkurtz: cool... i wasnt' waiting on anything urgent, just wanted to see my CL in the commit queue get merged :-)
[08:43:59] <Knocks> facepunch works
[08:44:06] <Knocks> once the OS is intiated maybe
[08:44:11] <Knocks> but not at this point
[08:44:17] <srao> hmm, nah that shouldn't matter
[08:44:20] <srao> it should work now
[08:44:32] <Knocks> i don't understand the developer mode part
[08:44:35] <srao> i see some other people reporting the "Your system is repairing itself" thing
[08:44:41] <Knocks> how can you activate it if you can't log in
[08:44:43] <srao> the developer mode thing isn't applicable in your system
[08:44:49] <Knocks> ok
[08:44:54] <Knocks> it's the switch at the bottom, right
[08:44:54] <srao> it's only for the retail chromebooks where there's an actual switch
[08:44:58] <Knocks> i used to have a cr-48
[08:44:58] <Knocks> :)
[08:45:09] <srao> yeah the switch on there was behind the battery
[08:45:23] <srao> we changed the firmware since the cr-48
[08:45:26] <Knocks> what time zone are you in?
[08:45:29] <srao> to allow users to boot whatever
[08:45:32] <srao> pacific
[08:45:47] <srao> i need to go home soon :-)
[08:45:52] <Knocks> are you a volunteer or do u work at google
[08:46:22] <srao> i work there
[08:46:33] <Knocks> neat
[08:46:38] <Knocks> i have a friend in the legal dept
[08:46:51] <srao> cool
[08:46:57] <srao> so do you still have the cr-48 ?
[08:46:57] <Knocks> it's nice that they're paying someone for this :)
[08:47:15] <Knocks> no, it was painfully slow and i couldn't take it anymore
[08:47:19] <srao> ah
[08:47:35] <Knocks> i was overflowing with joy when i received it though
[08:47:39] <srao> like how slow
[08:47:51] <Knocks> well this was months ago, so maybe it's been optimized since then
[08:48:02] <srao> (or got worse)
[08:48:02] <Knocks> but multiple tabs would slow the system down
[08:48:12] <Knocks> and if you had facebook open, forget it
[08:48:26] <srao> yeah there's some generic chrome issues with sites like facebook
[08:48:41] <srao> people are working on it, but yeah a lot of people report the same thing
[08:48:47] <Knocks> facebook needs to go away
[08:48:51] <srao> the newer machines are a bit faster
[08:48:59] <srao> there's still even faster things in the works
[08:49:01] <Knocks> atom processors are crap
[08:49:17] <srao> yeah, i actually work on performance tuning
[08:49:28] <Knocks> i believe it.  i'm all for a web-based os
[08:49:30] <srao> trying to fix some of these problems
[08:49:38] <srao> but atom is tough to work with
[08:49:52] <Knocks> atom was very power efficient compared with core 2 duo
[08:50:01] <Knocks> so it made sense for the netbooks from 2-3 years ago
[08:50:03] <srao> yeah so atom is great for battery life
[08:50:12] <Knocks> it doesn't so much anymore
[08:50:20] <srao> but apparently that's not the tradeoff people seem to want right now
[08:50:28] <srao> battery life vs speed
[08:50:30] <Knocks> once ivy bridge is out, forget atom
[08:50:39] <srao> yup
[08:50:50] <Knocks> does chrome have webkit stuff in it?
[08:50:53] <srao> it'll be nice when that happens...
[08:50:58] <srao> yes chrome is based around webkit
[08:51:07] <srao> why do you ask ?
[08:51:22] <Knocks> just thinking about how they're going to handle merging chromeos and android
[08:51:36] <Knocks> granted that's in a distant future, but still interesting
[08:51:49] <srao> heh, yeah I'm not going to comment about that
[08:51:58] <Knocks> it's ok, sergey already did
[08:51:59] <Knocks> :)
[08:52:03] <srao> there's really nothing to comment about it though
[08:52:36] <Knocks> i actually don't own an android device to my great shame
[08:52:55] <Knocks> my company only supports bberry and iphone for corporate email
[08:55:04] <srao> so it looks like that your system is repairing itself is because it thinks  the ext3 partition (the stateful partition) is bad
[08:55:11] <srao> does the message eventually go away ?
[08:55:19] <Knocks> it doesn't
[08:55:27] <srao> how long did you wait for it ?
[08:55:32] <Knocks> maybe 3 minutes
[08:55:34] <Knocks> maybe 5
[08:55:40] <srao> some guy was reporting it took a long time
[08:55:45] <srao> so it was there the whole time ?
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[08:56:05] <srao> you might try just letting it run
[08:56:15] <srao> for a long time... say 45 minutes ?
[08:56:24] <srao> i guess you couldn't use your computer then ...
[08:56:30] <Knocks> lol it's fine
[08:56:36] <Knocks> i'm on eastern time, so it's bed time soon
[08:56:40] <srao> i think it'll eventually finish
[08:56:41] <Knocks> will gladly leave it overnight
[08:56:44] <Knocks> however
[08:56:47] <srao> and then you should be able to login
[08:56:54] <srao> we should fix that
[08:57:02] <Knocks> i'd like to know that it won't try to assume that my C drive is it's swap partition
[08:57:10] <Knocks> and repair my windows instead
[08:57:13] <srao> chromeos doesn't use swap
[08:57:17] <srao> at least not right now
[08:57:24] <Knocks> i meant ext3, not swap
[08:57:40] <srao> yeah that's probably a valid concern
[08:57:44] <srao> since it already did it once though
[08:57:53] <srao> i'm guessing it's not doing that
[08:57:56] <Knocks> cause my windows hasn't been backued up in many months
[08:58:02] <srao> i'm curious if you use your utilitiy to check the ext3 partition
[08:58:04] <Knocks> i like to live dangerously
[08:58:04] <srao> if it's blank now
[08:58:11] <Knocks> lemme check
[08:59:29] <Knocks> it has 3 folders: dev_image, lost+found, and var
[08:59:38] <Knocks> and 1 file: vmlinuz_hd.vblock
[09:00:31] <srao> hm
[09:00:37] <srao> so it's not been cleaned out
[09:01:08] <Knocks> same as in the .img
[09:02:17] <srao> yeah you'd have to look at /sbin/clobber-state on the ext2 to figure out which partition it's going to try to wipe
[09:02:42] <Knocks> so it's goin to wipe something for sure?
[09:02:44] <srao> but if it's the wrong then then it's quite possible it would try to wipe your windows
[09:02:52] <srao> yeah if you see that repairing message
[09:03:08] <Knocks> interesting
[09:03:17] <srao> chromeos uses a read-only partition and a read-write
[09:03:30] <srao> read-write is what we call the stateful partition
[09:03:42] <srao> when you see that message it thinks the stateful partition is corrupted
[09:03:47] <Knocks> that's C-State
[09:03:49] <srao> and it tried to re-create it
[09:03:56] <srao> tries to re-create it, rather
[09:04:04] <Knocks> and it's confused about where it is
[09:04:05] <srao> yeah it should be
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[09:04:11] <srao> i'm guessing that's the case
[09:04:25] <srao> it thinks it's a different partition number from what you're using
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[09:04:45] <Knocks> but if it already has the stuff to restore it with
[09:04:59] <Knocks> then why did we need to pack the contents of that partition in the distro to begin with
[09:05:13] <srao> well it saves some time
[09:05:19] <srao> i think the process of creating it can be slow
[09:05:27] <srao> probably especially slow on a usb disk
[09:05:51] <Knocks> shouldn't it identify the only ext3 parition and work with that
[09:06:14] <srao> well if someone were to try to dual boot another linux distribution with chromeos
[09:06:17] <srao> it wouldn't know which one to use
[09:06:26] <srao> so it has to be told somewhere, which partition to use
[09:06:53] <srao> one could try to make a smarter script that figures it out yeah
[09:07:05] <srao> but stock chromium-os doesn't try to be smart
[09:07:12] <srao> hexxeh may have changed it, but I'm not sure
[09:07:34] <Knocks> i'm happy to do a windows backup
[09:07:48] <Knocks> and let it run for a few hours tomorrow to try to restore whatever it wants
[09:08:07] <Knocks> but something tells me that since the progress circle is not spinning, it may not be doing anything
[09:08:24] <srao> yeah i'm guessing it may be trying to get to sda4 and you don't have such a partition ?
[09:08:29] <srao> not sure
[09:08:43] <srao> i guess I can replicated a damaged stateful partition here and see what it does
[09:09:11] <Knocks> ah, so that guy had sda3 and sda4
[09:09:19] <Knocks> so i guess he got lucky with that hahaha
[09:09:25] <srao> yeah maybe
[09:09:36] <Knocks> who the hell decides which partitions become which number
[09:09:42] <Knocks> it's not sequential, i'll tell you that much
[09:09:52] <srao> it's in that partition table
[09:10:05] <srao> but yeah it's not sequential with respect to order on the disk
[09:10:10] <srao> or at least, it doesn't have to be
[09:10:22] <Knocks> ok
[09:10:35] <Knocks> well i guess this is as far as i'm going to explore it at 3am
[09:10:47] <srao> ah east coast
[09:10:52] <Knocks> i can't believe this is your job
[09:10:58] <Knocks> so cool
[09:11:16] <srao> well it's not exactly my job
[09:11:24] <srao> but we should try to support our users
[09:11:28] <srao> so i'm happy to do it
[09:11:40] <Knocks> haha much appreciated
[09:11:51] <Knocks> you guys should make an official stable distro
[09:12:05] <srao> well we have enough work to do supporting the retail devices
[09:12:12] <Knocks> yeah true
[09:12:50] <srao> hopefully that work benefits users like yourself, but unfortunately there's going to be issues like this
[09:13:36] <srao> you should pull out the cr-48
[09:13:43] <srao> see if it's any better or worse
[09:13:51] <Knocks> gave it away
[09:13:56] <srao> ah
[09:14:00] <Knocks> issues are fine
[09:14:11] <Knocks> if i wanted a system without technical issues i would get a mac
[09:14:56] <srao> yeah i bought my parents a chromebook, after hearing them complain about all the craziness they went through with viruses/malware and PC software vendors trying to sell them random stuff they didn't need
[09:15:20] <srao> have to go visit them and see how well they're able to use it
[09:16:03] <Knocks> my girlfriend liked it at first
[09:16:17] <srao> I don't know much about macs so I didn't want to try to support that... plus they're much more expensive
[09:16:17] <Knocks> i wiped her crappy hp netbook and put chromium on it
[09:16:26] <srao> ah interesting
[09:16:29] <Knocks> and it got a lot faster
[09:16:30] <Knocks> but
[09:16:40] <Knocks> she wants to watch movies offline and view photos
[09:16:49] <srao> i see
[09:16:59] <srao> yeah we're going to have to add all that stuff
[09:17:03] <Knocks> i know there's a media player but not sure how it is featurewise
[09:17:06] <srao> it's in the pipeline I'm sure
[09:17:18] <srao> yeah I think it's there but needs a lot of polish
[09:17:27] <Knocks> the UI has come a long way
[09:17:27] <srao> not a very good experience at the moment
[09:17:33] <Knocks> since the first time i booted cr-48
[09:17:39] <srao> that's good to hear
[09:17:42] <Knocks> compared to the nightly build i used a week ago
[09:18:23] <Knocks> once i get this to work, i will probably spend most of my time in it
[09:18:26] <Knocks> on my main laptop
[09:18:33] <srao> cool
[09:18:42] <srao> i3 should be a lot faster than the cr-48
[09:18:43] <Knocks> the only problem is no java
[09:18:53] <Knocks> so i'll still have to go back and forth
[09:18:57] <srao> yeah that's an interesting one
[09:19:08] <srao> we don't have java  on our stock builds
[09:19:11] <srao> but someone could add it
[09:19:17] <srao> not sure if hexxeh does that
[09:19:23] <Knocks> i think it would be a decision from above
[09:19:37] <srao> yeah java isn't in our builds because of security problems
[09:19:40] <Knocks> because utlimately the business people decide what platforms to support
[09:19:53] <srao> flash is though
[09:19:55] <Knocks> to be honest i kind of wish they killed flash too
[09:20:12] <srao> if enough demand for java appears we might end up supporting it one day, hard to say
[09:20:27] <srao> i personally don't find the lack of java to be a problem
[09:20:42] <Knocks> i don't care about java, but one of the websites i use does
[09:20:51] <srao> but I guess a lot of people use it ... yeah
[09:21:00] <Knocks> citrix is supported, which is awesome
[09:21:14] <srao> yeah, and netflix on the retail machines
[09:21:17] <srao> which i like
[09:21:37] <Knocks> i think the retail machines look less classy than cr-48
[09:21:52] <srao> yeah there's a lot of people who say that
[09:22:12] <srao> I'm not sure what the general split is, but I think half probably isn't that far off
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[09:23:40] <Knocks> is chrome os a different team from chrome
[09:23:42] <Knocks> or is there overlap
[09:23:55] <srao> there's overlap
[09:24:04] <srao> not complete overlap, but some
[09:24:30] <Knocks> are there people who work on chromium os only and don't deal with the retail version?
[09:24:52] <srao> a lot of developers choose to stick to chromium builds
[09:25:01] <srao> not sure what the proportion is
[09:25:21] <srao> but we generally use the retail hardware
[09:25:23] <Knocks> i'm just seeing some email addresses in support forums @chromium.org and others and google.com
[09:25:35] <Knocks> so i thought maybe there are distinct teams
[09:25:45] <srao> nah, most developers have both email addresses
[09:25:55] <srao> there are some people that don't work for google that have chromium though
[09:26:07] <Knocks> right, that makes sense
[09:26:30] <Knocks> i think it's developing very quickly
[09:26:49] <Knocks> but of course the browser is growing very fast itself
[09:27:01] <srao> yeah chrome browser usage is pretty astonishing
[09:27:09] <srao> given it just turned 3 years old
[09:27:26] <Knocks> a lot of money behind it
[09:27:37] <srao> yeah there's a lot of developers
[09:27:51] <srao> same is true for chrome os though
[09:28:13] <Knocks> chrome os gets no love from people who comment on tech blogs
[09:28:13] <Knocks> :)
[09:28:32] <srao> true, but those really aren't the people who we're targeting
[09:28:47] <srao> i think even chrome the browser had a lot of detractors for a long time
[09:29:27] <srao> if people are unhappy for specific reasons though we'll try to fix that
[09:30:10] <Knocks> it's not that
[09:30:32] <Knocks> they're just in the old mentality of why do i need just a browser if
[09:30:46] <Knocks> people are just underestimating the web
[09:31:20] <Knocks> when hotmail first came out i laughed at it too.   i was like who in the hell would want to use web mail.
[09:31:23] <srao> yeah, a lot of these technologies are fairly young
[09:31:30] <Knocks> :)
[09:31:40] <srao> it's going to take some time before they're good enough and well accepted
[09:31:55] <srao> like HTML5 and WebGL etc
[09:31:58] <srao> a lot of potential
[09:32:05] <srao> but need to mature a bit too
[09:32:32] <Knocks> apple actually helped with html5
[09:32:40] <Knocks> because they closed off flash
[09:32:55] <Knocks> and a lot of sites scrambled to re-do themselves without flash
[09:33:16] <srao> yeah, even MS is pushing for HTML5
[09:33:21] <Knocks> haha yep
[09:33:40] <Knocks> alright i'm gonna set my windows drive on backup and call it a night
[09:33:54] <Knocks> do you think you can let me know if there's a solution to the repairing thing?
[09:34:26] <srao> well we'd have to see what partition your image thinks should be the stateful
[09:34:38] <Knocks> but we can't really find out
[09:34:43] <srao> we can
[09:34:54] <srao> you can look at the ext2 filesystem, can't you ?
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[09:35:25] <Knocks> oh i missed that
[09:35:28] <Knocks> where should i look
[09:36:02] <srao> open up /sbin/clobber-state
[09:36:10] <Knocks> on which partition
[09:36:15] <srao> on the ext2 partition
[09:36:21] <srao> sda2 I guess it is
[09:36:28] <srao> using your tool under windows
[09:36:44] <srao> then search for STATE_DEV
[09:39:14] <Knocks> STATE_DEV=${ROOT_DEV%[0-9]*}1
[09:39:34] <srao> ah so it's set to 1
[09:39:38] <srao> sda1
[09:39:47] <srao> which is maybe windows
[09:40:37] <Knocks> sda1 = 0,0 ?
[09:40:50] <srao> in grub-speak ?
[09:40:54] <srao> yeah
[09:41:17] <srao> also
[09:41:20] <Knocks> so should i change it to sda3?
[09:41:26] <srao> look at /sbin/chromos_startup
[09:41:54] <srao> it also has a STATE_DEV
[09:42:23] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is closed (Automatic: "cbuildbot" on "x86-zgb_he canary" from None: )'
[09:42:33] <srao> yeah you should change both of those from 1 to 3
[09:42:40] <srao> assuming the chromeos_starup is also set to 1
[09:43:37] <srao> STATE_DEV=${ROOTDEV_TYPE}1
[09:43:45] <srao> is what I see in my copy of chromeos_startup
[09:43:51] <srao> you'd want to make that
[09:43:56] <srao> STATE_DEV=${ROOTDEV_TYPE}3
[09:43:56] <Knocks> there isn't
[09:44:00] <srao> really
[09:44:08] <srao> hmm, maybe hexxeh changed it
[09:44:21] <Knocks> nevermind
[09:44:24] <Knocks> it's case sensitive
[09:44:28] <srao> oh
[09:44:34] <srao> so you found it ?
[09:44:42] <Knocks>   # Find our stateful partition. It's always partition 1.
[09:44:42] <Knocks>   STATE_DEV=${ROOTDEV_TYPE}1
[09:45:14] <srao> yeah
[09:45:23] <srao> make that 3
[09:45:41] <Knocks> it's read only
[09:45:54] <srao> hm, the tool can't edit ?
[09:46:01] <Knocks> no :(
[09:46:06] <srao> drat
[09:47:01] <srao> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[09:47:06] <srao> I have used that a long long time ago
[09:47:23] <srao> to mount up ext2/ext3 partitions on windows
[09:47:29] <srao> should let you edit also
[09:47:43] <Knocks> already downloaded
[09:47:43] <Knocks> :)
[09:48:05] <srao> might be old though
[09:48:15] <srao> dunno
[09:48:37] <Knocks> yeah we'll see
[09:48:40] <Knocks> may not run on x64
[09:49:14] <srao> it says it can, but it was released in 2008
[09:49:19] <srao> so dunno
[09:49:36] <Knocks> lol
[09:49:39] <srao> I think I installed it on a computer i bought about 8 years ago
[09:49:42] <Knocks> funny how 3 years is now an eternity
[09:49:50] <srao> yeah
[09:50:00] <srao> in chromeos 1 year is an eternity :-)
[09:50:16] <Knocks> crap, where did it install to
[09:50:16] <srao> it hasn't even been a year since the cr-48 went out
[09:50:26] <Knocks> yeah so weird
[09:50:29] <Knocks> i remember it was winter
[09:50:36] <Knocks> is it just a driver?
[09:50:38] <Knocks> or is there a program
[09:51:13] <srao> not sure
[09:51:24] <Knocks> it's not showing me the partitions
[09:51:46] <Knocks> i'm writing a windows backup image, so maybe that's interfering
[09:52:09] <srao> yeah might be
[09:52:33] <Knocks> oh i have to assign letters probably
[09:52:46] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is throttled (network issues affecting internal builders; external builders are all ok: crosbug.com/22216)'
[09:52:51] <srao> ah here's a newer thing also
[09:52:54] <srao> http://www.ext2fsd.com/
[09:53:05] <srao> but i've not used that
[09:53:24] <srao> but yeah i think you have to assign letters or something
[09:53:41] <Knocks> great, no gui
[09:53:44] <Knocks> i'm sure that's going to go well
[09:53:45] <Knocks> :)
[09:54:18] <srao> i think you can do it from windows volume manager maybe ?
[09:54:28] <Knocks> no, it's in control panel
[09:54:32] <Knocks> i missed when it told me
[09:54:49] <srao> oh ok
[09:55:52] <Knocks> i can see them now
[09:55:59] <Knocks> but not the contents
[09:57:40] <srao> hmm
[09:57:47] <srao> like they appear to be empty ?
[09:58:23] <Knocks> windows wants to format them
[09:58:28] <Knocks> something's wrong
[10:00:58] <srao> yeah maybe this doesn't work anymore
[10:01:07] <srao> might try the other one
[10:01:17] <srao> http://www.ext2fsd.com/
[10:01:35] <Knocks> i am
[10:03:49] <Knocks> ok i'm in
[10:03:55] <srao> nice
[10:05:41] <Knocks> are you sure it's 3?
[10:05:43] <Knocks> and not 2?
[10:05:51] <Knocks> because the original number is 1
[10:06:07] <Knocks> does that mean it's referring to the ext2 partition?
[10:06:19] <Knocks> on my system ext2 is 2 and ext3 is 3
[10:06:29] <srao> yeah
[10:07:48] <Knocks> so on the retail systems the ext partition is 1?
[10:08:17] <srao> yeah
[10:08:29] <Knocks> and ext3?
[10:08:35] <Knocks> err
[10:08:38] <Knocks> ext2?
[10:10:59] <srao> don't need to worry about that one
[10:10:59] <srao> it's specified in the grub config file
[10:10:59] <srao> which you already changed
[10:11:52] <Knocks> alright
[10:11:54] <Knocks> i changed them
[10:12:12] <srao> cool, try booting it
[10:12:46] <Knocks> i'm running windows backup
[10:12:59] <Knocks> if it doesn't screw things up, i'll cancel it
[10:13:01] <Knocks> :P
[10:13:15] <srao> ah ok, you can wait for it to finish
[10:13:23] <srao> better safe than sorry
[10:14:10] <Knocks> hah
[10:14:17] <Knocks> so how does autoupdate work
[10:14:29] <Knocks> does it just replace the c-root partition contents?
[10:14:56] <srao> no there's actually two root partitions
[10:15:02] <srao> on a retail device
[10:15:09] <srao> it downloads the update to the other one
[10:15:14] <srao> then tries to boot it
[10:15:15] <Knocks> and then reboots to it?
[10:15:25] <Knocks> clever
[10:15:29] <srao> if it's successful it switches to that side
[10:15:34] <Knocks> so how does it work with hexxeh's?
[10:15:40] <srao> i dont' know
[10:15:46] <srao> i didn't even know about it until you mentioned it
[10:15:55] <srao> probably similar though
[10:16:10] <srao> the usb sticks don't have both root partitions really
[10:22:22] <Knocks> i could have sworn i saw the string to add to vanilla builds for auto update
[10:22:23] <Knocks> can't find it
[10:25:17] <Knocks> that page is no longer up
[10:25:20] <Knocks> but here is an old version
[10:25:21] <Knocks> http://web.archive.org/web/20100317215452/http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/openbeta.php
[10:30:57] <srao> hmm yeah I don't know
[10:31:37] <Knocks> once this is up and running, what's the best way for me to update to a new build
[10:31:47] <Knocks> say if i want to do it every few eweks
[10:31:48] <Knocks> weeks
[10:32:26] <Knocks> going to try it now, brb
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[10:38:16] <Knocks> ok
[10:38:22] <Knocks> now i don't get the "repairing screen"
[10:40:24] <Knocks> going to bed, i'll try to work on this more tomorrow
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[10:43:05] <srao> ok night
[10:43:05] <srao> leaving as well
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[16:51:20] <kliegs> What happens if I hit 'commit ready' on a throttled tree?  is that cool to do?
[17:08:46] <ellyjones> anyone looking at the bots?
[17:08:50] <ellyjones> crosbot: sheriffs?
[17:08:50] <crosbot> ellyjones: sheriffs: quiche, xiyuan, pstew at chromium dot org, djkurtz
[17:09:18] <ellyjones> all the internal bots are red: http://chromeos-botmaster.mtv.corp.google.com:8026/waterfall
[17:09:21] <ellyjones> crosbot: tree?
[17:09:22] <crosbot> ellyjones: tree: Tree is throttled (network issues affecting internal builders; external builders are all ok: crosbug.com/22216)
[17:10:39] <ellyjones> no east-coast sheriffs
[17:10:47] * ellyjones looks
[17:11:59] <ellyjones> gsutil upload hung for _8 hours_ on the internal pfq
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[17:26:52] <ellyjones> hm
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[17:32:05] <ellyjones> okay
[17:32:20] <ellyjones> the tree status is accurate; there's something wrong with the internal builders' network
[17:32:36] <quiche1> any of the troopers online?
[17:32:46] <ellyjones> it's not a trooper kind of issue
[17:32:48] <ellyjones> it looks like
[17:33:08] <ellyjones> I linked you to the bug on gchat
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[17:33:58] <quiche1> ok, thanks
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[18:50:53] <njw```> so is it just me or is ToT super-janky this week?
[18:51:17] <Keybuk> crosbug.com/22238 I got one! :p
[18:57:08] <quiche1> keybuk: cgrats!
[18:57:18] * ferringb mutters at the 8:23pm ping
[18:57:55] <ferringb> win 15
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[19:10:17] <ellyjones> njw```: the bots have been very sad lately
[19:10:40] <njw```> well, my builds are fine, it's just that they run like molasses.
[19:12:37] <adlr> wasn't there some issue w/ video performance this week?
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[19:14:47] <cmasone> yeah, chronos got pulled from the audio/video groups by accident and there was a lot of stuff that went wrong
[19:14:52] <cmasone> it's fixed now
[19:15:14] <kliegs> cmasone: nice.   do you know which CL fixed it?
[19:15:18] <cmasone> nope
[19:15:29] <cmasone> I've just heard tell that it's OK now
[19:16:12] <kliegs> i heard that yesterday too but didn't seem to be. cl might have been in flight
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[19:16:33] <kliegs> i'll see if I can find it
[19:17:47] <kliegs> so in a throttled tree state (like now), is clicking 'Commit Ready' right or wrong?
[19:17:56] <kliegs> or should we check with sheriffs first?
[19:18:28] <quiche1> the tree is throttled due to networking issues affecting internal builders
[19:19:08] <kliegs> yah.  I was just curious on if its ok to use the commit bot while throttled
[19:19:51] <kliegs> sosa: your thoughts on CQ while throttled
[19:20:16] <sosa> yes it's likely ok but it's good to check with sheriffs anyway
[19:20:49] <quiche1> sosa: what criteria should the sheriffs use? :)
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[19:22:13] <quiche1> with the external builders still running, i don't feel too worried. but i guess i still shouldn't open the floodgates, right?
[19:22:42] <sosa> well since the commit queue only vets x86 i'd watch for changes that may affect non-x86 platforms i suppose
[19:22:49] <sosa> but that's a temporarily problem
[19:23:05] <sosa> it really depends on why the tree is throttled
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[19:23:36] <sosa> yeah since internal builds are dead and commit queue only works externally right now
[19:23:45] <sosa> prob little could affect except for changes in chromite
[19:24:15] <quiche1> kliegs: which CL are you asking about?
[19:24:45] <kliegs> https://gerrit.chromium.org/gerrit/10734 and https://gerrit.chromium.org/gerrit/10815
[19:25:11] <kliegs> one adds a warning to cros_workon for chromeos-chrome, the other changes chromeos-chrome to not override CHROME_ORIGIN after its been cros_workon'd
[19:25:43] <kliegs> there's not a rush to get them in this very minute - just wanted to get them in before the weekend and timezones kicked in
[19:26:37] <marcheu> kliegs,cmasone: https://gerrit.chromium.org/gerrit/#change,10835 fixed the audio/video group problem
[19:27:11] <kliegs> marcheu: thanks
[19:27:28] <cmasone> marcheu: thx
[19:27:52] <quiche1> kliegs: we don't have an ETA on fixing the networking issues for the internal builders, so i say go ahead. (rather than waiting until late in the day, and still having the internal builders be hosed.)
[19:28:23] <kliegs> quiche1: ouch.   that's not good
[19:28:28] <kliegs> quiche1: thanks. i'll hit 'cq' bit now
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[20:21:10] <kees> when a platform device and platform driver are built in, probe code gets run 3 times: once at device init, once at driver init, and I haven't found the third. comedy!
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[20:25:16] <ttuttle|work> if the tree is throttled, can I submit?
[20:28:19] <quiche1> ttuttle: is there anything platform specific about your change?
[20:28:30] <ttuttle|work> nope
[20:29:46] <quiche1> go ahead. (the external builders are ok, so we should catch the non-platform-specific problems.)
[20:29:55] <ttuttle|work> okay
[20:30:01] <ttuttle|work> I am waiting in the commit queue, I guess.
[20:30:44] <quiche1> ok.
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[20:53:03] <ellyjones> hrm
[20:53:06] <ellyjones> crosbot: sheriffs?
[20:53:06] <crosbot> ellyjones: sheriffs: quiche, xiyuan, pstew at chromium dot org, djkurtz
[20:54:24] <ellyjones> why are so many commits landing on a throttled tree?
[20:55:12] <ttuttle|work> not my fault, mine is in the hands of the commit queue.
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[20:55:39] <ellyjones> sosa: how come the commit queue lands changes to a throttled tree?
[20:55:58] <cros_> Anyone familiar with the code seemingly in the browser that executes a breakpoint instruction to trigger a prefetch abort on ARM? I have some questions regarding this.
[20:57:57] <sosa> ellyjones: by design.
[20:58:29] <ellyjones> sosa: doesn't throttled mean commits need sheriff approval to land?
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[20:59:28] <sosa> yes devs should dbl check with sheriffs before hitting CR+1, though the commit queue gives much higher confidence to these commits.  We decided for now to be ok to use throttled as (allow commits).  we can change this though if it becomes a problem
[20:59:32] <sosa> part of dogfooding
[20:59:33] <sosa> :p
[20:59:54] * ellyjones nods
[21:00:37] <quiche1> sosa: what about commits that skip the CQ? (e.g. 08d45979bbb873c1f2821f561aa4888a93b658dc, e98fd2eb11765e600757dbaf4866162cbfe6cb2c)
[21:00:38] <sosa> ellyjones:  probably what would be best is some magic tool a sheriff could call to tell the commit queue to turn itself off
[21:00:39] <kliegs> sosa: thoughts on in the future having the commit queue go to single-commit / cycle?
[21:00:49] <kliegs> when its throttled
[21:01:05] <sosa> kliegs:  that's an interesting idea.  we could do single commit cycle
[21:01:24] <sosa> commits that skip the CQ should def get sheriff approval like normal throttled'ness
[21:01:47] <sosa> sosa: but i would imagine it makes more sense for sheriffs to just force devs who ask to use the CQ
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[21:03:39] <sosa> whoops just sosa:'d myself
[21:03:49] <quiche1> heh.
[21:04:02] <quiche1> so i'm curious why the CLs from one CQ batch can land minutes apart.
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[21:04:57] <quiche1> e.g. rcui:10664 and sosa:10822 landed about 5 minutes apart (yours immediately after the CQ run, rcui's 5 minutes later.)
[21:05:54] <sosa> quiche: it's an issue with the poller.  the buildbot poller only polls once every 5 min's.  These commits must have gone in right at about the same time a poll went in hence looking they are 5 min apart.  In terms of when they got in the tree, they are roughly 2-3 seconds apart
[21:10:52] <quiche1> sosa: makes sense. thanks.
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[21:59:28] <dianders> Are sheriffs evaluating CLs on a case-by-case basis?  I'd like to checkin some u-boot changes for Waluigi (using commit queue).  Shouldn't affect any board that anyone is building now...
[22:00:09] <quiche1> dianders: do we have an internal builder for waluigi?
[22:00:19] <dianders> quiche1: Nope
[22:00:30] <dianders> quiche1: It's not finished yet.  ;)
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[22:01:26] <quiche1> dianders: in that case, the problems with the internal builders doesn't change testing of your changes. so go ahead.
[22:02:47] <dianders> OK, thanks...
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[22:27:59] <Knocks> is there any way to copy a partition from a raw img file directly from windows
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[23:06:01] <jorgelo> Is anybody having trouble accesing the webcam on latest builds? I just flashed my Alex device with a build from the latest tree and the webcam does not even show in 'lsusb'
[23:07:51] <jrbarnette> crosbot: sheriffs?
[23:07:51] <crosbot> jrbarnette: sheriffs: quiche, xiyuan, pstew at chromium dot org, djkurtz
[23:08:04] <quiche1> jrbarnette: wassup?
[23:08:08] <marcheu> jorgelo: look at /etc/group, is chronos in the audio and video groups? if not you're affected by a bug which was fixed this morning
[23:08:25] <jrbarnette> quiche1: i have a merge for the R15 branch to submit
[23:08:54] <jrbarnette> it's met all other approvals; do the sheriffs care if i push it while the tree is yellow?
[23:09:17] <quiche1> jrbarnette: is it platform-specific?
[23:09:55] <jrbarnette> no
[23:10:10] <quiche1> ok, go ahead then.
[23:10:20] <jorgelo> marcheu: it's not, that seems to be it. thanks. i wasn't able to find related issues in the bug tracker though.
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[23:44:15] <ellyjones> rcui:
[23:44:20] <ellyjones> patching changes is failing with: error: RPC failed; result=22, HTTP code = 405
[23:44:30] <ellyjones> I assume because it's hitting http when we use https
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