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[10:53:39] <srikanth> Hi, i had a problem with my chromium os dev build. I am unable to surf internet after login into any user account. Where as if i login as guest then it is working fine.
[10:54:13] <srikanth> Any one please help me out of this problem
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[13:51:23] <nkostylev> srikanth: Is your checkout up-to-date?
[13:51:39] <nkostylev> we had similar issue couple of weeks ago, it was fixed
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[14:06:42] <glotov> Hi! Is there any chance to open the tree?
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[14:33:53] <srikanth> Hi All, I need some help regarding running chrome webkit layout tests on chrome OS. Could any one please tell me how to run these tests on an image? Do i need to build any specific image to run these tests? I've already built an image. Can i run layout tests on it directly?
[14:34:07] <srikanth> Help me out from this problem
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[15:25:02] <seanpaul> Good morning all, east coast sheriff checking in :)
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[15:37:48] <nkostylev> seanpaul: ok to commit several CLs, all have json only changes + new trivial package with json file?
[15:39:18] <seanpaul> nkostylev: I'm still trying to sort out what state the tree should be in, I'm pretty certain the tests listed in the status are no longer flakey, but I'm looing into why the PFQ are failing
[15:39:28] <seanpaul> nkostylev: can you hold off for now, until I sort this out?
[15:40:55] <seanpaul> PFQ failure looks like it's http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=95411
[15:43:06] <nkostylev> seanpaul: ok, it's not urgent
[15:44:21] <nkostylev> seanpaul: 95411 - add disable_nacl=1 for now to EXTRA_BUILD_ARGS?
[15:45:27] <seanpaul> nkostylev: hrm, yeah I noticed that... I would rather get a proper fix from Chromium :)
[15:51:38] <nkostylev> seanpaul: as a temporary measure of course. Isn't the root cause of the issue that gold is out of date? binutils-2.20.1 in chroot, should be 2.21.1
[15:52:12] <seanpaul> I'm going to close the tree for now, I've got a test failure on the Alex canary as well as the PFQ failures.
[15:52:49] <seanpaul> nkostylev: I don't know, I tried to ping a Chromium sheriff, but it doesn't look like they're around
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[15:54:17] <seanpaul> nkostylev: so presumably a clobber would fix the PFQ builders?
[15:54:44] <seanpaul> or is the chroot configured for binutils-2.20.1?
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[16:02:44] <nkostylev> seanpaul: chroot is configured with 2.20.1
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[16:37:53] <petermayo> seanpaul: build 492 was the first chrome preflight failure (http://chromesshgw.corp.google.com/i/chromium.fyi/builders/ChromiumOS%20%28x86%29/builds/492) and it looks different from the subsequent ones ..
[16:39:24] <petermayo> seanpaul: actually, maybe not so much, it just had more errors.
[16:40:18] <petermayo> seanpaul: though 99622 by bradchen looks relevant to cr)S problems with chrome
[16:43:17] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is closed (Alex Canary is failing (crosbug.com/20053))'
[16:44:23] <sadrul> I think it got fixed in 99658
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[16:45:33] <seanpaul> Do we have a list of tree-closers?
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[17:08:03] <seanpaul> x86-mario-release, x86-alex-factory, and x86-alex-partner-binary are also red, are any of these tree closers?
[17:09:42] <seanpaul> so apparently those aren't closers
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[17:10:28] <kliegs> seanpaul: the release branches aren't closes as they're already on segrated branches
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[17:34:53] <ja> hello
[17:36:07] <ja> when I use my cro_sdk this message : --- Couldn't find '<sys-devel/gcc-4.4.6' to unmerge
[17:36:27] <ellyjones> what command are you running?
[17:36:43] <ja>  excuse me cros_sdk
[17:36:49] <ja> on amd64
[17:37:48] <ellyjones> you're just typing 'cros_sdk'?
[17:38:41] <kliegs> i think with no options it does make_chroot
[17:38:48] <ja> yes for first time
[17:39:37] <kliegs> did you have an old chroot around from running make_chroot by hand in the past?  if so it might be worth deleting it and starting from scratch
[17:39:46] <kliegs> if this is a completely new download there may be something else wrong
[17:41:26] <ja> After that I tried with cros_sdk -r but nothing to do.
[17:43:07] <ja> complet message : http://pastebin.com/irqjHger
[17:44:22] <ellyjones> O_o
[17:44:24] <ellyjones> what's your host OS?
[17:44:49] <ellyjones> the sys-devel/gcc-4.4.6 message is harmless
[17:44:56] <ja> Debian Linux lapy 3.0.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Aug 27 16:21:11 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:45:01] <ellyjones> but it sounds from the later error like you're missing sysv semaphore support
[17:45:04] <ellyjones> did you build your kernel yourself?
[17:45:09] <ja> no
[17:45:29] <ellyjones> well, that error is indicative of a missing kernel feature, I think
[17:47:28] <pstew> Sheriff reporting for duty.  Anyone know what we're looking at?
[17:48:30] <seanpaul> pstew: VMTest failures
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[17:49:57] <seanpaul> pstew: The builders seem to be failing on different tests, however I have exactly zero experience with these tests.
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[17:52:54] <seanpaul> the zgb_he_canary builder is failing on smoketest in one build, and then UrlFetch.not-live in the next... both VM tests
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[17:53:34] <seanpaul> erm, s/smoketest/ChromeFirstRender/
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[18:02:16] <seanpaul> pstew: I have to step out for a few minutes, i'll be back shortly
[18:02:33] <pstew> Gotcha.
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[18:24:48] <pstew> For when seanpaul returns -- I'm not clear on whether this isn't just a bad Chrome build.
[18:30:06] <seanpaul> pstew: back... should we pin an older version?
[18:30:54] <pstew> I think so.  I'm trying to tell if the change log shows when we re-pin chrome.
[18:33:32] <davidjames> pstew: Would be handy to get a core dump for that crash on the canary
[18:33:59] <pstew> Sure, but it's not really our job to get all the way to the bottom.
[18:37:41] <seanpaul> pstew: So it looks like 15.0.871 worked on the 5th
[18:38:11] <seanpaul> (for both alex and zgb)
[18:40:57] <seanpaul> pstew: revision 99591
[18:40:59] <pstew> So I'm guessing that just pulling back in chromeos-base/chromeos-chrome/chromeos-chrome-15.0.872.0_rc-r1.ebuild wont' be enough?
[18:41:13] <seanpaul> pstew: maybe :)
[18:41:27] <pstew> Sorry, chromeos-base/chromeos-chrome/chromeos-chrome-15.0.871.0_rc-r1.ebuild
[18:41:29] <kliegs> pstew: the sheriff doc says how to ping chrome to a previous version
[18:41:50] <pstew> Oh! There it is.
[18:41:51] <kliegs> pstew: but I haven't done it myself so i'm not sure of specifics.
[18:42:01] <seanpaul> pstew: I also have not done this :)
[18:42:13] <seanpaul> but yeah, pinning to that version should do the trick
[18:42:17] <pstew> Okay.  I'll give it a whiff.
[18:42:23] <seanpaul> pstew: awesome, thanks!
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[18:54:21] <pstew> Okay.  Moving through the instructions.  Testing chrome builds.
[18:54:37] <seanpaul> w00t!
[18:55:12] <pstew> Only making sense because way back two rotations ago davidjames did this over-the-shoulder.
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[18:57:57] <pstew> CL coming your way, seanpaul.
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[18:59:55] <seanpaul> pstew: LGTM
[19:01:07] <pstew> Okay.  I'm going to restart the erring builders.
[19:01:42] <seanpaul> pstew: SGTM, do you want to open the tree now, or should we wait for a binary to finish?
[19:02:00] <pstew> I'd like to see something get further.
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[19:02:42] <seanpaul> grrr, screen died
[19:02:53] <seanpaul> pstew: did you reply to my msg re: opening the tree?
[19:03:10] <davidjames> seanpaul: <pstew> I'd like to see something get further.
[19:03:28] <seanpaul> thx
[19:05:15] <pstew> Does anyone understand what these toolchain-master failures are?
[19:05:44] <davidjames> pstew: That's an experimental builder which toolchain team is still working on fixing
[19:07:28] <davidjames> pstew: At top of waterfall page there's a button called 'important' which lists just the builders that sheriffs are in charge of fixing
[19:09:10] <seanpaul> davidjames: This is awesome! I was asking for this feature this morning :)
[19:09:31] <seanpaul> davidjames: ah, but the chrome pfq isn't a closer, is it?
[19:09:48] <davidjames> seanpaul: The Chrome PFQ should be a closer
[19:10:11] <davidjames> seanpaul: Just not the Chrome TOT PFQ (It closes the Chrome tree, not the Chrome OS tree)
[19:10:19] <pstew> Don't see "important" on the internal waterfall.  Does this mean none or all are important there? :-)
[19:10:42] <davidjames> pstew: Yeah, noticed same thing, let me see if I can find a link to the internal closers
[19:11:23] <seanpaul> davidjames: oh, ok... I don't see the chrome TOT builder
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[19:11:47] <davidjames> seanpaul: Yeah it's not on the 'important' waterfall but it's still on ordinary waterfall
[19:13:03] <davidjames> pstew: http://goto.google.com/crosbuilders-tot
[19:13:47] <robotboy_google> Sheriff Anton on duty (finally figured out how to log onto IRC...)
[19:14:11] <davidjames> pstew: It's linked from the Sheriff FAQ (from "Pull up the public and internal Chrome OS buildbot waterfalls.")
[19:14:22] <seanpaul> davidjames: I think it's missing some builders
[19:15:17] <davidjames> seanpaul: :( Yeah that's the problem with any manually updated list, djmm maintains that one
[19:16:27] <davidjames> seanpaul: Which one is it missing?
[19:16:46] * grundler waves to robotboy :)
[19:16:48] <seanpaul> davidjames: lumpy at least, i'm not sure whether there are others
[19:17:32] <davidjames> seanpaul: Ah, k, djmm should be able to update it
[19:17:49] * grundler tests robotboy_google 's IRC client :)
[19:17:55] <ellyjones> crosbot: tree?
[19:17:55] <crosbot> ellyjones: tree: Tree is closed (Alex Canary is no longer failing, ZGB binary is failing with the same error (crosbug.com/20053))
[19:17:56] <pstew> davidjames: Do troopers know about th chromiumos-sdk failure yet?
[19:17:57] <ellyjones> score
[19:19:07] <davidjames> pstew: No, don't think so.
[19:20:34] <davidjames> pstew: Just asked eblake to take a look though
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[19:36:52] <seanpaul> so according to nkostylev, the reason the chrome PFQ is failing is because our binutils is out-of-date
[19:37:01] <seanpaul> is anyone looking at upgrading it?
[19:38:32] <seanpaul> alternatively, we can set disable_nacl to work around it
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[19:47:37] <pstew> Still building canaries.  Awfully slow.
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[19:51:03] <seanpaul> There have been some commits on the red tree today. Please refrain from merging until the tree is green!!
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[19:54:06] <robotboy_google> I asked at least on offender about that (committing to the tree when it was red) and was told their commit didn't effect anything that was being built.  It would be awesome of we could regain the ability to have commits blocked when the tree is closed.
[19:54:20] <pstew> Timeout on x86-generic PFQ: "lkgm_manager.py - ERROR   : Not all builds finished before MAX_TIMEOUT reached"
[19:55:38] <seanpaul> pstew: but it's still green?
[19:55:47] <seanpaul> pstew: I'm confused
[19:55:51] <pstew> seanpaul: Nice, eh?
[19:56:36] <seanpaul> "Failed but forgiven"
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[19:59:28] <seanpaul> pstew: maybe just kick it? it seems like it's being hung up on arm-tegra2-binary and arm-generic-binary
[20:00:23] <seanpaul> hmm, so why is the x86 generic PFQ waiting on arm targets?
[20:00:46] <sosa> PFQ
[20:00:47] <seanpaul> and where are those builders? I don't see them on the waterfall
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[20:01:46] <pstew> Ran a force-build on the x86 generic PFQ.
[20:07:34] <sosa> seanpaul:  http://www.chromium.org/developers/tree-sheriffs/sheriff-details-chromium-os/pre-flight-queue-faq'
[20:07:56] <sosa> i'll make a better link to this in the sheriff FAQ after talking with pstew
[20:09:09] 
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[20:11:17] <ellyjones> break lock! haha
[20:12:40] <sosa> but i wannttted to be frrrrriendly in case he has the best edit ever he's working on
[20:15:21] <seanpaul> sosa: I'm out of there
[20:15:45] <seanpaul> sosa: it is the best evar, but feel free to make it better
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[20:18:08] <seanpaul> sosa: thanks for the link, it's quite helpful... we're scheduled to watch your talk here in WAT on Friday, so I will be better informed next week :)
[20:19:00] <sosa> scheduled? I feel so special.
[20:20:16] <seanpaul> sosa: oh yeah, highly anticipated, IN 3D!
[20:20:35] <seanpaul> (one of my last two statements was a lie)
[20:22:15] <seanpaul> ...it's not in 3D :(
[20:22:28] <sosa> hahaha :p
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[20:46:36] <nirnimesh> where's the x86-alex_he builder?
[20:46:55] <nirnimesh> I'm looking at the failure in crosbug.com/20053
[20:47:10] <davidjames> nirnimesh: Internal waterfall
[20:47:46] <nirnimesh> (aside) I think it's totally wrong that the internal waterfall closes the public tree
[20:47:50] <davidjames> nirnimesh: http://chromeos-botmaster.mtv.corp.google.com:8026/builders/x86-alex_he%20canary/builds/137, grab the binaries quick cause they only save last 3 builds there
[20:49:56] <pstew> Won't be long now.  VMTest running.
[20:50:13] <davidjames> nirnimesh: You'll want to grab test_results.tgz and symbolize the stack trace
[21:00:57] <seanpaul> pstew: so it looks like the VMTest failures are not solved with 15.871
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[21:01:57] <seanpaul> stumpy binary failed in the VMTest section with 15.0.871
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[21:07:24] <glotov> Hi! Is there any chance to open the tree?
[21:07:36] <pstew> Slim, but possible.
[21:10:29] <davidjames> nirnimesh: Just attached some symbolized stack traces for you to http://crosbug.com/20053
[21:11:00] <nirnimesh> davidjames: Awesome. Thanks. I was still slugging with the unzipping
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[21:20:13] <seanpaul> Just spoke with bradchen, he's going to revert his NaCl change, which should green up the chrome PFQ
[21:20:45] <seanpaul> We'll still have the VMTest failures though
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[21:24:38] <kliegs> seanpaul: pinning to an old version didn't fix the vmtests?
[21:26:27] <seanpaul> kliegs: nope, stumpy still failed
[21:26:48] <kliegs> seanpaul: hmm.  some other problem then sneaking in?  this isn't the usual vmtest flake we've seen elsewhere?
[21:27:01] <kliegs> Did last thurs/fri sheriffs see anything?
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[21:27:52] <seanpaul> kliegs: not AFAIK
[21:28:50] <pstew> Marking tree as green after successful run through VMTest of zgb_he_canary.
[21:29:09] <oshima> i'm getting this pyauto errors in several suite_Smoke tests.
[21:29:17] <oshima> base_packa:0466| dep-pyauto_dep.tar.bz2 could not be fetched from any of the repos ['autoserv://']
[21:29:29] <nirnimesh> oshima: --use_emerged
[21:29:44] <seanpaul> pstew
[21:29:52] <seanpaul> pstew: What about the stumpy failure?
[21:29:59] <oshima> nirnimesh: run_remot_tests.sh --use_emerged ?
[21:30:18] <nirnimesh> right
[21:30:28] <oshima> nirmimesh: thanks!
[21:30:44] <pstew> Talk to me about stumpy failure.  And perhaps change the tree status.
[21:31:34] <seanpaul> pstew: stumpy failed with 15.0.871 in VMTest, I'll update the status
[21:32:12] <pstew> Yeah.  Either you or I should push it to re-run. That build started before my fix.
[21:32:44] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is closed (VMTest failures are causing failing on the internal builder (crosbug.com/20053)'
[21:32:52] <seanpaul> pstew: really? it's building 15.0.871
[21:33:00] <seanpaul> pstew: I'll kick it though
[21:33:29] <oshima> nirnimesh: i'm still getting the error. i'm running it using kvm with --remote=172.0.0.1 --ssh_port=9222 Could be related?
[21:34:00] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is closed (VMTest failures are causing failures on the internal builder (crosbug.com/20053)'
[21:34:21] <nirnimesh> oshima: no. --use_emerged should do it. do you have /build/$board/usr/local/autotest/client/deps/pyauto_dep?
[21:35:17] <pstew> seanpaul: What's your basis for "It's building 15.0.871"?  Just checking my sanity.
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[21:36:51] <davidjames> pstew: See http://chromeos-botmaster.mtv.corp.google.com:8026/builders/stumpy-binary/builds/630/steps/BuildTarget/logs/stdio
[21:36:55] <nirnimesh> davidjames: 20053 looks like a real chrome crasher, unrelated to the test setup. I'm going to assign it to desktopui team
[21:36:56] <seanpaul> pstew: Looked through the logs and saw that it was emerging chromeos-chrome-15.0.871...
[21:37:02] <davidjames> pstew: [binary     UD ] chromeos-base/chromeos-chrome-15.0.871.0_rc-r1
[21:38:02] <davidjames> nirnimesh: Thanks, can you mark P0 since it's closing the tree right now
[21:40:15] <pstew> However in that case VMTest failed suite_Smoke/desktopui_UrlFetch.not-live, and no sig 11.
[21:40:32] <davidjames> pstew: There's a bug open for that one
[21:40:50] <davidjames> pstew: Maybe desktop_UrlFetch.not-live should be removed as it's a new test
[21:41:30] <davidjames> pstew: http://crosbug.com/20034
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[21:41:53] <pstew> davidjames, seanpaul: Okay, so that argues that this stumpy vmtest failure doesn't speak to tree redness.
[21:42:38] <seanpaul> pstew: agreed. I think we should wait out the stumpy binary builder while bradchen reverts his change, then open the tree?
[21:43:05] <pstew> Okay.  Can you cover me for a few minutes while I go to lunch?
[21:43:19] <davidjames> pstew: Yeah, desktop_UrlFetch failure is probably just a bug in the test. But good to up priority of removing it if it's causing trouble for sheriffs
[21:43:22] <seanpaul> any word on the chromiumos sdk build? it's also a tree closer
[21:44:36] <pstew> davidjames: It will cause more problems for the sheriffs that come after us, since despite documenting it, they'll probably run into errors and have to ask you again.
[21:45:22] <davidjames> nirnimesh: Can you take a look as crosbug.com/20034 ?
[21:48:34] <pstew> seanpaul: Could you cover me for a bit while I get lunch?  I'll be away from kbd 10 mins or so.
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[21:53:15] <seanpaul> pstew: yes, definitely
[21:53:17] <seanpaul> pstew: enjoy
[22:01:04] <davidjames> seanpaul: eblake says chromiumos-sdk should be fixed next time it cycles
[22:01:26] <pstew> I'm back
[22:01:37] <seanpaul> davidjames: thanks. Maybe I'll stop the current build and kick it
[22:01:38] <robotboy_google> that was a quick lunch
[22:01:44] <seanpaul> davidjames: sound reasonable?
[22:01:56] <davidjames> seanpaul: Hmm, might be better to let it run through
[22:02:14] <davidjames> seanpaul: It's succeeding actually, even if it's red :)
[22:02:15] <seanpaul> davidjames: I'm not sure if it will :)
[22:02:27] <seanpaul> davidjames: ah, ok... how long does that take?
[22:02:38] <davidjames> seanpaul: It completed successfully the last few times, it was just 'red' even though it was passing
[22:02:56] <davidjames> seanpaul: (the failure is non-fatal.... just something that needs to be fixed)
[22:02:56] <seanpaul> davidjames: alright, I will ignore it then :)
[22:03:40] <seanpaul> The chrome PFQ change has been reverted, it should cycle green
[22:03:53] <seanpaul> r99789
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[22:11:17] <pstew> So what remains outstanding for greenness?  stumpy-binary says "building 5 pending", but I don't actually see see any builds in progress.
[22:12:04] <sosa> pstew: it looks like stumpy is sharing the same machine canary vs. binary
[22:12:11] <sosa> which means the machine iterates on htem
[22:12:16] <sosa> doesn't do both at the same itme
[22:12:25] <seanpaul> pstew: I think we're good to go green, but keep an eye on chrome PFQ, and stumpy
[22:12:35] <sosa> (i just quickly verified by checking the build host of that config)
[22:12:45] <seanpaul> pstew: we'll also have to watch chromiumos sdk
[22:12:50] <pstew> Okay, settint status.
[22:12:55] <seanpaul> w00t!
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[22:13:04] <oshima> nirnimesh: (back from mgt). no i don't have pyauto_dep. what did I do wrong?
[22:14:08] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is open (Watching VMTest, chromiumos-sdk and chrome PFQ for proper response to changes)'
[22:18:17] <seanpaul> tree is green! who's in charge of the beer?
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[22:28:47] <xiyuan> sheriffs, about to land a change that turns on webui login by default.
[22:29:20] <adlr> do the login tests  work w/ the webui login now?
[22:29:33] <seanpaul> xiyuan: make sure you keep an eye on the tree :)
[22:29:48] <xiyuan> nirnimesh has landed the changes in chrome it make webui login works with autotest.
[22:30:09] <adlr> ah, nice
[22:30:18] <xiyuan> I'll also watch the tree.
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[22:35:31] <xiyuan> Landed http://gerrit.chromium.org/gerrit/#change,7273 to turn on WebUI login as default... finger crossed.
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[22:48:34] <seanpaul> VMTest failed on chrome PFQ, that's crosbug:20034
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[23:05:36] <kliegs> ellyjones: You're a Tartan?
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[23:08:03] <ellyjones> yeah, kliegs
[23:08:57] <kliegs> ellyjones: cool!  ECE '97/99 for me.
[23:10:17] <ellyjones> CS 2010
[23:13:11] <kliegs> hmm. probably don't know too many people who overlapped. can't remember too many CS profs.  You take any CE courses at all?
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[23:17:00] <ellyjones> none
[23:17:02] <ellyjones> CS/math
[23:17:31] <robotboy_google> Tartan here as well, Math/CS '97
[23:18:05] <kliegs> robotboy_google: whoa - cool!   i don't remember you though :(
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[23:18:54] <robotboy_google> Yah, we were there at the same time, Tammo was also there then.
[23:19:10] <kliegs> Lived in Scobell and was in Ice Hockey & Kenpo clubs mainly.
[23:19:30] <kliegs> Most of the CS courses I took I just stayed home and showed up for test days.
[23:19:47] <kliegs> They were just too easy compared to the engineering courses :)
[23:19:56] <seanpaul> zing!
[23:20:24] <kliegs> oh - I was in the group that was at the bottom of the chute during carnival with the grill & buggy crash sign
[23:20:27] <ellyjones> you were taking the wrong CS classes, then :)
[23:22:04] <robotboy_google> Amusingly, I started in ECE and switch to CS when I learned that the first couple of years of ECE was going to be mainly review for me.  ;)
[23:22:48] <seanpaul> burn!
[23:22:57] <kliegs> robotboy_google: I managed to skip those and get into the fun stuff right away
[23:23:37] <robotboy_google> kliegs: probably a good move.  I'm pretty happy to have done Math/CS, but could always use more education.  :)
[23:24:09] <kliegs> robotboy_google: I picked ECE cause they told me at the time it was tougher to get into and didn't know any better.  Once i got into it was really glad I did
[23:24:38] <kliegs> A lot of the CS stuff didn't interest me - the provability and things.  Really enjoyed getting into the 500 level project classes.
[23:25:36] <kliegs> OS (CS-412?) was kinda fun, but I took it too late in my time there that it was half review.    18-545 was probably one of my favorite classes (build a computer from random flip flops and ALU's)
[23:25:58] <ellyjones> OS has gotten substantially more difficult since 2003
[23:26:14] <ellyjones> you now have to more or less reproduce Unix on bare metal from scratch
[23:26:46] <kliegs> ooh cool. when I took it there were a bunch of tests or something and then 3 projects:  1 - build serial port.  2 - build page table & process switch (with ASM-level magic provided)  3 - build file system (OS from #2 provided if yours was bad)
[23:26:54] <kliegs> yoru version sounds like more fun
[23:27:00] <ellyjones> yes
[23:27:34] <ellyjones> 0 - stacktrace library in userspace on linux, 1 - game on bare metal, 2 - userspace thread library on top of reference kernel, 3 - kernel, 4 - something hard (bootloader, virtualization, ...)
[23:27:38] <robotboy_google> Interesting, when I took OS we had to write the OS from scratch as well.  When did you take it Kliegs?
[23:27:39] <kliegs> Was disappointed that 18-545 got boring after my year - devolved into more of a "program FPGA" course from a "wire all this crap up on a wirewrap board and good luck"
[23:28:10] <kliegs> robotboy_google: 96 or 97 I believe.  It was just 3 real projects for coding with the first (serial port) a warmup
[23:28:30] <kliegs> I think I had Garth Gibson as the prof.
[23:28:34] * ellyjones was 7 in 1996
[23:28:48] * kliegs wishes she hadn't gone there
[23:29:27] <ellyjones> sorry :P
[23:29:32] <kliegs> ellyjones: did you skip a year?
[23:29:35] <ellyjones> ya
[23:32:12] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is closed (Automatic: "cbuildbot" on "x86-alex canary" from None: )'
[23:37:38] <kliegs> robotboy_google: although I do hate to admit my grad work was related to the CS department - worked on NASD in the PDL
[23:38:20] <seanpaul> tree closure looks like crosbug.com/20034 again
[23:38:28] <ellyjones> Sequential Data Lab
[23:38:40] <kliegs> ellyjones: booo
[23:38:42] <seanpaul> pstew, robotboy_google: You guys ok with reopening?
[23:40:31] <nirnimesh> I'm going to put some bandaging for crosbug.com/20034 to see if it's a real problem or a problem with test setup. CL coming
[23:41:36] <seanpaul> nirnimesh: thanks. I suppose we should keep the tree closed until then
[23:41:47] <robotboy_google> seanpaul: I don't really understand the failure.  But if we think it's a flaky test, won't it just fail again?
[23:43:08] <seanpaul> robotboy_google: it likely will, yes
[23:43:31] <seanpaul> robotboy_google: but the failure shouldn't stop people from landing CLs
[23:43:47] <crosbot> tree became 'Tree is closed (crosbug.com/20034 strikes again, nirnimesh is looking into the failure)'
[23:44:19] <seanpaul> robotboy_google: IMO, we should wait for nirnimesh to take a look and then proceed from there
[23:46:54] <nirnimesh> seanpaul: I can't repro the problem myself ever, so I'm just going to put in some bandaging and debugging. You can open the tree meanwhile.
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[23:47:44] <robotboy_google> seanpaul: sound good
[23:48:06] <robotboy_google> nirnimesh: Should we hold off on greening the tree until you land your bandaging?
[23:48:10] <seanpaul> nirnimesh: ah, sorry, I should have read your message more closely... how long will it take for bandaging?
[23:48:22] <seanpaul> nirnimesh: what robotboy_google said :)
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[23:51:29] <nirnimesh> seanpaul: give me 10 mins
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[23:58:18] <davidjames> seanpaul: Any idea why x86 generic pfq failed?
[23:59:16] <seanpaul> davidjames: hadn't seen that failure, looking now
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