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[04:51:02] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0zt4opqL18
[04:54:53] <Switeck> who said you can't get cheap broadband in the USA? XD
[04:55:10] <Switeck> Some people just aren't trying hard enough.
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[05:27:01] <MJ94> Hey. My client says I'm connected to 37 out of 60. Can I get it to connect to all 60 peers?
[05:29:10] <Switeck> no
[05:30:05] <Switeck> If you're connected to 37 and it doesn't increase over the next 10 minutes, you've probably got all you can get.
[05:35:02] <MJ94> Thanks
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[05:38:17] <Switeck> more connections even if you could get them might only make things works
[05:38:22] <Switeck> doh, worse, not works
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[05:53:23] <alus> haha
[05:53:27] <alus> a common mistake :P
[05:57:16] <Switeck> I'm tired
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[06:56:15] <Balsaq> good morning bittorrent channel.
[06:59:51] <Switeck> bad morning for some. :P
[07:00:00] <Switeck> but hopefully they'll keep it to themselves XD
[07:00:12] <Balsaq> a friend of mine infected her computer with virus to the point that it will not function at all past the initial GUI display screen. The keyboard and mouse became inoperable. she lost her xp home cd so i installed ubuntu 8.10 on her HD and now she does not like it.
[07:00:38] <alus> ubuntu is like always having a windows virus
[07:00:58] <Balsaq> it works fine and it killed the virus but she does not like the gui
[07:01:16] <alus> yes turning the computer off would have worked too
[07:01:18] <Balsaq> she has a an xp home license
[07:01:30] <Balsaq> but no cd
[07:02:54] <alus> Balsaq: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;326246
[07:03:09] <Balsaq> thank you i will visit the link now
[07:04:08] <Balsaq> thank you, they told her to give them some more money, which she doesnt have
[07:04:35] <Switeck> Give her latest dev version of WINE
[07:04:40] <Switeck> have it run automatically
[07:04:58] <Balsaq> she really likes xp home
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[07:05:35] <Balsaq> her favorite software doent work on buntu
[07:06:15] <GTHK> Kubuntu? Looks different. Wine will make her feel better, and get some Windows programs running. :P | Either that or find that disc!
[07:06:45] <Balsaq> i can't believe she  didnt make a recovery disk
[07:08:02] <Balsaq> kubuntu is qool but she cant seem to get yahoo messenger and itunes going in buntu among other things
[07:08:15] <GTHK> My sisters nettop wants her to make a recovery cd/dvd...
[07:08:25] <Balsaq> she wants her xp home back
[07:08:38] <Balsaq> i made mine 1st thing before iwent on the internet
[07:10:09] <Balsaq> but my recovery cd's are loaded with bloatware, adware, trialware and pinch of spyware.
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[07:14:20] <Balsaq> what is a nettop GTHK?
[07:14:29] <Balsaq> a mini lapper?
[07:17:42] <GTHK> Yea, with no cd/dvd drive to speak of XD
[07:18:17] <Balsaq> oh one of this with the special windows OS and the 7-8 inch screen?
[07:18:27] <Balsaq> windows C or something
[07:19:32] <GTHK> I think I know what your talking about, but no, it has regular windows, but it is pretty small.
[07:20:35] <Balsaq> i see the tiny ones for like 89 dollars new
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[15:26:54] <alti> Hello Everyone!
[15:27:24] <alti> I have a network related issue.
[15:27:46] <alti> Say that you have two apache servers with two different IP's.
[15:27:55] <alti> 192.168.0.2 & 192.168.0.3
[15:28:20] <alti> I want them both to be on the internet
[15:28:45] <alti> 82.56.73.43 is the internet IP.
[15:29:04] <alti> Can I make a subdomain like site1.82.56.73.43 ?
[15:30:30] <DWKnight> no
[15:30:40] <DWKnight> and your issue isn't appropriate for #bittorrent
[15:31:25] <alti> Sorry, where should I go?
[15:31:33] <alti> And please.
[15:31:39] <alti> Tell me what to search for.
[15:31:49] <alti> Which fixes my issue.
[15:32:10] <DWKnight> your most appropriate location would be the apache support system
[15:32:22] <alti> But the thing is.
[15:32:33] <alti> It isn't really apache I'm trying to get to work
[15:32:37] <alti> It's like everything
[15:32:44] <alti> A VPN
[15:33:03] <alti> Oh, bad description
[15:33:35] <alti> But, I want a personal IP for each computer in the network.
[15:33:42] <alti> If you understand
[15:34:21] <DWKnight> and again
[15:34:31] <DWKnight> all of this is FAR beyond the scope of our support
[15:34:54] <alti> Yeah ok, I just didn't know where to go
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[17:02:38] <TheSHAD0W> http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/21/1353223
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[19:17:21] <WhatMan> I have a question. When utorrent reports uploaded=x, how is that calculated? Is it generally a multiple of an entire piece?
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[19:18:15] <The_8472> i would assume it's the data or data+overhead accumulated over all peer connections
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[19:19:09] <WhatMan> That's how it seems to be with most clients. But with utorrent, it seems to be multiples of the piece size, for the most part.
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[19:21:04] <The_8472> piece size seems odd to me though.
[19:21:10] <The_8472> since you're not uploading whole pieces
[19:21:13] <The_8472> but chunks instead
[19:21:53] <WhatMan> Perhaps it's chunks, I'm doing modulo 4096 to save time.
[19:25:08] <The_8472> but, hey. who am i talking to. "mr arbitrary" ~~
[19:25:44] <WhatMan> Har har
[19:25:59] <The_8472> btw, why are you spreading lies?
[19:26:08] <WhatMan> Lies?
[19:26:14] <The_8472> "refuse to cooperate"
[19:26:44] <WhatMan> I hadn't asked you guys to cooperate, that was something I heard in regards to the random peerids.
[19:27:13] <The_8472> oh, so it's just hearsay...
[19:27:53] <IRConan> The_8472: what are you involved with?
[19:27:53] <WhatMan> I must say, it's difficult to approach you with any requests if you have that private trackers wiki page.
[19:28:10] <The_8472> how so? i'm making rational arguments there, no flaming
[19:28:36] <The_8472> and there are other devs, who don't necessarily share my opinion
[19:30:07] <WhatMan> I've had this discussion a lot of times in the past few days, and I don't really want to continue it again right now. Is the userbase of our site a significant percentage of vuze users?
[19:30:10] <The_8472> if there's a bug, report it. if you have an issue with my personal opinion then i don't see why that would warrant a ban, quite simple.
[19:30:20] <The_8472> idk, really
[19:30:37] <WhatMan> It's only a few thousand people.
[19:31:23] <The_8472> and you're banning them for no reason at all and we have to deal with them. tyvm...
[19:31:54] <WhatMan> We aren't banning any people.
[19:32:23] <The_8472> same difference
[19:32:38] <WhatMan> Not at all.
[19:32:47] <IRConan> do you honestly believe that your client is a good choice for use in private tracking communities?
[19:33:13] <The_8472> since nobody reported any problems. yes
[19:33:21] <IRConan> your focus seems to be on the flipside of things to be honest
[19:33:51] <The_8472> may i remind you that we invented the private flag just for that very purpose?
[19:34:22] <WhatMan> It's not the big things, it's the little things.
[19:34:25] <IRConan> I wasn't aware of that
[19:34:30] <Nolar> http://forum.vuze.com/message.jspa?messageID=217233#217233
[19:34:47] <Nolar> we've always been open to the needs of the private tracker community
[19:35:17] <Nolar> if someone is willing to have a real discussion, we're happy to engage
[19:36:34] <The_8472> btw, this is not the first time this happend. private tracker admins have gone apeshit about minor things before instead of actually filing bug reports... or just ask...
[19:37:04] <WhatMan> I don't know if you guys have accounts at what, but I posted my personal thoughts a few hundred posts into the announcement thread, which was an attempt at clearing things up.
[19:37:14] <The_8472> i don't
[19:37:16] <WhatMan> It's not a personal thing against vuze, it's about saving the staff time.
[19:37:25] <Nolar> The_8472 is a code contributor, but doesn't represent the vuze team
[19:37:38] <Nolar> so dont let his wiki page dissuade you :)
[19:37:39] <The_8472> as i said, just my personal opinion
[19:38:16] <Nolar> no, we dont have accounts on said sites
[19:38:25] <The_8472> i guess i should add that to the page *sigh*
[19:39:12] <WhatMan> Well, as I said, it's the little things. We can tell if people are spoofing utorrent or transmission, but from what I can see in the code, can't do that with vuze.
[19:39:27] <WhatMan> If my hypothesis about how utorrent reports upload is correct, that's another little thing.
[19:39:46] <The_8472> all open source clients can be manipualted
[19:39:52] <The_8472> and yet you're recommanding transmission
[19:39:53] <WhatMan> So what it came down to is the fact that vuze represented 7% of the userbase, but because of the lack of little things, it took 50% of the effort.
[19:40:00] <DWKnight> all proxy-supporting clients can be manipulated as well
[19:40:06] <Nolar> little things?
[19:40:31] <WhatMan> The non-random peerids and upload reporting method.
[19:40:44] <Nolar> these are mods?
[19:41:00] <WhatMan> No, these are properties of utorrent which make it easier for us to detect mods.
[19:41:06] <Nolar> ahh
[19:41:16] <Nolar> i guess that's my primary complaint
[19:41:26] <Nolar> i can understand not liking these cheats
[19:41:45] <Nolar> but the problem is, by banning the client as a whole, you end up  hurting legit users far more than the cheaters
[19:41:56] <Nolar> since the cheaters will just become more sophisticated
[19:42:06] <The_8472> reminds me of DRM
[19:42:14] <The_8472> which is quite ironic.
[19:42:15] <Nolar> they'll just end up pretending to be utorrent in the end
[19:43:05] <WhatMan> Maybe they will. But in the short term, years were being taken off the lives of our moderators, so we had to make a call.
[19:43:15] <Nolar> and despite the sophistication of server-side detection, you still rely on client-side reporting, so the cheaters will always be able to win
[19:43:57] <The_8472> which is one of the points i make in my article
[19:44:15] <The_8472> 'Policing the users to ensure swarm health means that the administrators have to rely on clients properly reporting stats, an inherently unsafe assumption'
[19:44:15] <Nolar> you just move the problem around
[19:44:16] <WhatMan> I'm not sure about that.
[19:44:49] <WhatMan> If there was a function to report an array of how much data was transferred to which peers, cheating would end.
[19:45:07] <Nolar> those cheaters will pretend to be ut, and now you've got to try and detect them under a new pool
[19:45:07] <The_8472> collusion attacks.
[19:45:41] <The_8472> 2 cooperating, cheating peers. pretending to upload tons of data to each other.
[19:45:53] <Nolar> <WhatMan> If there was a function to report an array   <<<  dont think it was you folks, but we did start work down supporting that kind of thing a while back
[19:45:55] <WhatMan> The_8472: They'd have to report download as well, which would defeat the purpose.
[19:46:14] <The_8472> only if you strictly enforce a 1:1 ratio, not something below that ratio
[19:46:25] <IRConan> There is a fact you can guarantee in server side detection... the swarm total download:upload should total 1
[19:46:51] <IRConan> as such you can "notice" swarms where this is not true
[19:47:04] <The_8472> not if cheaters are colluding
[19:47:21] <Nolar> sure, upload always = download, but the trick is figuring out WHO is being naughty :)
[19:47:27] <IRConan> The_8472: this just means someone has to report the download for all the cheated upload...
[19:47:31] <WhatMan> Yeah Nolar, that's why the array would be useful.
[19:47:47] <WhatMan> Because if someone's uploading at the average swarm speed, it's impossible.
[19:47:55] <IRConan> Nolar: you could, for example, locate users who appear in more than one swarm with inconsistencies
[19:48:13] <IRConan> I was scribbling about making a tracker do this the other day while bored
[19:48:18] <Nolar> btw, you can remove the tracker alltogether in ut after connecting to peers
[19:48:32] <Nolar> no tracker reports at all
[19:48:40] <Nolar> no upload of course, but also no download
[19:49:02] <Nolar> reported
[19:49:10] <IRConan> anyway... I'm working, stop talking about interesting things :P
[19:49:49] <The_8472> the point is that it's a cat and mouse game.... see copy protection schemes
[19:49:53] <alus> The_8472: yes, protecting against people "stealing" data without "paying" for it does sound familiar....
[19:50:03] <The_8472> ^^
[19:50:07] <WhatMan> The_8472: It wouldn't be a cat and mouse game if the array was reported.
[19:50:17] <alus> MAFIAAvate trackers
[19:50:23] <The_8472> WhatMan, no. then the mice just need to become more sophisticated
[19:50:32] <The_8472> collusion attacks can go very far
[19:50:38] <Nolar> it
[19:50:43] <WhatMan> No they can't.
[19:50:48] <WhatMan> Let's say user A and B are colluding.
[19:50:51] <IRConan> what's the discussion of reporting "the array"
[19:50:53] <WhatMan> A says he's uploaded 50MB to B.
[19:51:00] <Nolar> it's a game ANY CLIENT can cheat at; hence the pushback on global per-client bans
[19:51:05] <WhatMan> B has to say that he's downloaded 50MB from A.
[19:51:06] <The_8472> consider a swarm soley consisting of cheaters. the tracker will get a completely bogus view of it
[19:51:09] <WhatMan> And then no one wins.
[19:51:17] <Nolar> it's not a real solution, and makes things worse long term in fact
[19:51:32] <Nolar> so if there's real interest in improving things, we're happy to talk
[19:51:36] <WhatMan> It doesn't matter if the tracker gets a bogus view of it, the cheaters still don't win as they have to report as much uploaded as downloaded.
[19:52:01] <The_8472> they can just report less downloaded too
[19:52:15] <Nolar> but i'm not convinced there's real interest
[19:52:54] <Nolar> at least from this group.  we've had some very interesting discusssions with other tracker admins
[19:53:09] <WhatMan> The_8472: If everyone's reporting more upload than the others are reporting download, then everyone's cheating.
[19:53:20] <The_8472> nono
[19:53:24] <The_8472> less upload and less download
[19:53:35] <The_8472> makes seeding easier later on
[19:53:44] <The_8472> just multiply everything you report by 0.5 for example
[19:53:56] <IRConan> that requires the entire swarm to be cheating
[19:54:01] <The_8472> yes
[19:54:19] <The_8472> or a significant fraction at least
[19:54:21] <WhatMan> But they still don't win, the overall swarm ratio is still 1.0.
[19:54:37] <The_8472> they have to seed less on other torrents to maintain their ratio
[19:54:45] <The_8472> so they do win globally
[19:54:49] <The_8472> just not on that particular torrent
[19:54:57] <A9> and there's disparity between the remainder and the downloaded values then.
[19:55:15] <The_8472> A9, that can be fixed too
[19:55:22] <The_8472> think selective downloading
[19:55:54] <WhatMan> Then what you've done is just created a small private tracker inside the large private tracker.
[19:55:56] <A9> then that can be accounted for later in uploading, when they seed more data to a peer then they have downloaded with only one peer in the swarm
[19:56:07] <The_8472> and in very big swarms you can just drown things in the noise...
[19:56:23] <WhatMan> People are still getting the files, and they're still uploading to them. They're just doing it in a private club.
[19:56:29] <Nolar> what % of your userbase do you think is cheating?
[19:56:44] <WhatMan> We ban around 10 a day, Nolar.
[19:56:53] <Nolar> so, fairly small?
[19:57:00] <IRConan> yeah, tiny
[19:57:05] <Nolar> makes hiding in the noise quite easy then
[19:57:24] <WhatMan> We don't have that much noise.
[19:57:35] <WhatMan> There's only really any noise on uploads less than a day old.
[19:58:00] <Nolar> noise = active uploaders/downloaders?
[19:58:10] <Nolar> i.e. short tail
[19:58:10] <WhatMan> mhm
[19:58:28] <WhatMan> After a day, you don't typically get anything more than one leecher at a time.
[19:58:43] <Nolar> older titles = long tail = only one or two peers active at any given time
[19:58:49] <Nolar> right
[19:58:56] <IRConan> WhatMan: this is fairly unique to what though...
[19:59:06] <IRConan> other trackers continue to get leechers for muhc longer
[19:59:20] <WhatMan> Most private trackers are like us. Look at 0day trackers or tv trackers.
[20:00:23] <alus> how many users a day do you ban for ratio violations?
[20:00:38] <IRConan> quite a few I'd imagine
[20:01:02] <alus> as a percentage of new users per day
[20:01:15] <WhatMan> Averages around 20 users a day.
[20:01:19] <Nolar> and they're all vuze users?
[20:01:25] <Nolar> or pretending to be ;)
[20:01:32] <WhatMan> We get 140 new users per day.
[20:01:50] <WhatMan> Oh, by ratio violations, I assumed you meant "low ratio".
[20:01:56] <alus> yeah
[20:02:08] <WhatMan> Yeah, that's 20 a day. And I'm not sure what client they're using, Nolar.
[20:02:13] <WhatMan> I'd imagine it's a pretty even split.
[20:02:27] <alus> and what is the averate ratio on your site?
[20:02:30] <alus> *average
[20:02:32] <IRConan> but of the 10/day cheaters is there a disparity towards vuze users?
[20:02:38] <WhatMan> alus: Mean or median?
[20:02:42] <alus> WhatMan: both
[20:02:54] <alus> but I asked median
[20:03:07] <A9> IRConan: Yes actually
[20:03:10] <IRConan> i thoguht that used to be a front page stat
[20:03:12] <alus> er, mean
[20:03:18] <IRConan> apparently not
[20:03:28] <IRConan> alus: you asked average... could have been either surely :P
[20:03:28] <K`Tetch_> hey whatman
[20:03:31] <WhatMan> Median is 0.93
[20:03:42] <WhatMan> Last I checked, mean was around 1.9something.
[20:03:51] <alus> ok, mean is 1.9
[20:04:02] <alus> so more uploading has been done than downloading
[20:04:08] <WhatMan> Yes.
[20:04:09] <alus> because you ban about 20 people a day
[20:04:19] <WhatMan> And freeleech.
[20:04:24] <A9> the 20 a day are removed from that
[20:04:32] <IRConan> effectively banning low ratios means that the mean goes up
[20:04:38] <alus> A9: of course they are. otherwise the mean would be 1
[20:04:39] <A9> there are initial buffer 'gifts' for new users starting
[20:04:41] <A9> freeleech
[20:04:52] <IRConan> and bounty on requests acting against
[20:05:01] <IRConan> 50% of request bounty is removed from the system
[20:05:23] <A9> and we had our initial stimulous setup when we first started the tracker to get downloads happening
[20:05:24] <alus> how much is "freeleech"
[20:05:31] <WhatMan> A hell of a lot.
[20:05:41] <A9> .6
[20:05:47] <A9> of the mean
[20:06:10] <alus> ?
[20:06:17] <A9> .2-.3 was our initial stimulous stuff
[20:06:28] <alus> I don't understand
[20:06:34] <alus> how does freeleech work?
[20:06:47] <The_8472> download doesn't get counted, upload does from what i understand
[20:06:52] <WhatMan> Dwonload doesn't count, upload does.
[20:06:53] <A9> freeleech in essence, is a torrent on which the upload counts, but download does not
[20:06:53] <WhatMan> Yeah.
[20:06:59] <IRConan> A9, WhatMan: a feature I've always fancied knowing of the site is what my actual ratio is... I've shelled out hundreds of gigglebytes into requests and stuff and downloaded every freeleech torrent since I joined
[20:07:23] <alus> but how when is freeleech applied?
[20:07:30] <A9> It's a way of "boosting" the economy, putting more into the hands of users who otherwise might not be able to download.
[20:07:32] <WhatMan> IRConan: We don't store that, unfortunately.
[20:07:43] <A9> It's applied when we deem it necessary for the maximum efficiency of the economy.
[20:07:51] <A9> and we can do it on various scales
[20:07:53] <IRConan> WhatMan: I know... it's something I'd look into adding if it was a new start tracker :P
[20:07:58] <A9> all of X type
[20:08:02] <alus> and it's a flag you set on some users? some torrents?
[20:08:03] <A9> or just a few select torrents
[20:08:07] <A9> some torrents
[20:08:10] <alus> ok
[20:08:29] <alus> so a ban means a user can not download. can they upload?
[20:09:23] <IRConan> A9: I was wondering this the other day... how do we want freeleech implemented? I wondered about having a freeleech_classes table containing multipliers to apply to upload/download and replacing the effectively boolean value "freetorrent" with an index to this table
[20:09:30] <IRConan> sorry... meant to hilight WhatMan on that too
[20:10:18] <A9> IRConan: That would be great, but do we already track the PermissionID in the users map?
[20:10:33] <A9> Or is that another thing we'll need to relate within the tracker.
[20:10:51] <IRConan> A9: the permissionID is the store of whether a user has permission to seed and/or leech?
[20:11:07] <A9> PermissionID is the class identifier
[20:11:16] <A9> because our classes are all flexible and feature oriented.
[20:11:34] <IRConan> "classes"?
[20:11:45] <A9> It's the ClassID you could say.
[20:12:43] <A9> alus: We generally don't allow users to do either when banned, although our mods have been known to make the odd exception to teach a user how to maintain a ratio. Disabling their ability to download only, and giving them a week to seed and fix their ratio before re-enabling.
[20:13:26] <alus> A9: it would seem to be shooting yourself in the foot to completely ban them. why not allow them to upload forever until they're back in good standing?
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[20:14:11] <IRConan> A9: so it's the userclass. I thought that with the introduction of the full permissions system userclass was supposed to be merely a title and mean nothing
[20:14:18] <IRConan> as such the tracker doesn't need to know
[20:14:29] <A9> IRConan: it is
[20:15:14] <A9> alus: In many cases it would, the problem, comes down to the fact that the majority who fall under this ban are only there because they chose to make no effort.
[20:15:22] <IRConan> so the tracker needs to read the users permissions for seeding and leeching individually
[20:15:26] <alus> and there's a question of what to do with a user who has a ratio violation, has been trying to upload forever, but cannot
[20:15:29] <A9> We implemented a system under which users who are trying, are virtually immune to it.
[20:15:29] <IRConan> rather than the PermissionID
[20:15:40] <A9> alus: We took that into consideration
[20:15:50] <alus> A9: how are they immune?
[20:16:20] <A9> alus: I'll screenshot our require ratio page if you'd like, it explains it a bit better
[20:16:27] <IRConan> alus: the required ratio is calculated depending on the total amount downloaded and the ratio of "seeding torrents" to "snatched torrents"
[20:16:33] <alus> A9: ok
[20:16:40] <IRConan> as such someone who hasn't downloaded much and is still seeding it all has a required ratio of 0
[20:18:46] <A9> http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2914/screenshotbw.png
[20:19:01] <IRConan> A9: that stuff is on the interviewprep site anyway :P
[20:19:09] <A9> the majority of people having a hard time, are new users
[20:19:29] <A9> so we introduced a pretty simple system
[20:19:57] <A9> if you seed (trying to maintain a ratio), you're immune to the system until you have enough content that it wont be hard to seed.
[20:20:18] <IRConan> oh... I lied, the prep page isn't updated with that info, maybe it should be
[20:20:47] <alus> A9: of the users who get banned, where are they on this chart?
[20:21:03] <alus> A9: and what is the distribution of the rest of the users on the chart?
[20:21:44] <A9> thats a good question actually, and one I should make a graph of
[20:22:28] <A9> the majority, just looking at the upscale pool, fall under 0-5% seeded, and probably 10-20 GB down
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[20:44:11] <IRConan> so it's ignorant people
[20:45:08] <alus> I call these ignorant people "users"
[20:45:49] <alus> you should consider making a second tier private tracker
[20:46:14] <alus> if you get kicked out of heaven for being dumb, you can log in to the second site which does not enforce ratios
[20:46:25] <Nolar> :)
[20:46:36] <alus> it only has other users who also got pushed there
[20:46:37] <Nolar> heaven would be a rather empty place...
[20:46:45] <alus> but the infohashes, etc are the same
[20:47:06] <alus> the tracker just redirects you to this other tracker
[20:51:27] <The_8472> you could just have the tracker maintain 2 pools
[21:06:37] <IRConan> you could end up with torrents which are only seeded in the place where you get pushed from heaven (shall we call it hell?)
[21:06:47] <IRConan> people would have to have the ability to demote themselves too
[21:07:21] <IRConan> otherwise people in heaven could be excluded from data which only exists in hell
[21:08:17] <The_8472> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/21/acta-internet-enforc.html
[21:10:24] <The_8472> http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/leaked-acta-draft-treaty-reveals-plans-for-internet-clampdown
[21:10:27] <The_8472> same thing
[21:13:29] <A9> alus: Just made a graph
[21:13:32] <A9> It's pretty conclusive :P
[21:14:44] <A9> http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5849/screenshot1pe.png this is the distribution map of everyone who's getting banned in the next 14 days
[21:15:16] <A9> downloaded on the left, seeding % on the bottom
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[23:21:37] <DWKnight> http://torrentfreak.com/web-sheriff-mistakenly-targets-legal-torrent-site-100221/
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