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[01:05:25] <sktrdie> Hello
[01:05:31] <sktrdie> I'm conneted to over 20 seeds
[01:05:42] <sktrdie> but i'm only downloading from 3 of them. Is this normal?
[01:06:00] <sktrdie> (my port is forwaded correctly)
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[01:09:00] <TheSHAD0W> Yes, that's within the realm of normal.
[01:09:13] <TheSHAD0W> Sometimes non-seeds will give you more bandwidth than seeds.
[01:11:54] <Switeck> Seeds only connect to peers, but if there's LOTS of peers and the seed is only uploading to 1-4 at a time (on average)...it will seem most seeds are "inactive" from your point of view as a peer.
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[01:33:23] <sktrdie> i see
[01:33:28] <sktrdie> thanks
[01:34:13] <Switeck> Many BitTorrent clients have very bad settings while seeding..
[01:34:34] <Switeck> And there's nothing you can do on your end to "fix" that.
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[01:41:23] <jamesconway> I am curious: saying a torrent has 100 seeds and I am the 1 peer. How does BitTorrent decide which seed to connect and request files from? Does it pick whichever one is fastest?
[01:42:27] <sktrdie> based on your client :)
[01:42:41] <sktrdie> usually, uTorrent has a default of 50 peer connections
[01:42:52] <sktrdie> so it will connect to the first 50 that the tracker returns, i suppose
[01:43:24] <sktrdie> i hope there's a better algorythim behind it though :)
[01:43:50] <jamesconway> It connects to 50 peers then sends a request to every one? Or does it request only request one piece once?
[01:45:20] <TheSHAD0W> Peers decide when it's okay for other peers to download from them, and signal them to request data.
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[01:56:29] <Switeck> sktrdie, why does it need a better algorithm?
[01:57:10] <Switeck> Many/most ips returned by the tracker will fail, so it will keep trying till it gets close to 50...and let the final few fill up from incoming connections.
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[04:28:44] <TheSHAD0W> Hi Bram.
[04:28:49] <bramm> hey shadow
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[04:38:27] <Harold_parker> bramm did you invent BT?
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[04:40:50] <The_8472> yes. he's the lord creator of the bittorrent universe. but nobody believes in him anymore. instead everyone thinks the "Book of BEP" are the only true scriptures
[04:42:36] <DeHackEd> Amen.
[04:43:13] <kjetilho> "Give, and ye shall receive"  Book of Bram, chapter 2, verse 12
[04:43:43] <K`Tetch> except the unbelievers, who follow the prophecies of the PT
[04:43:55] <K`Tetch> "seed, lest your ratio cast you down into the abyss"
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[04:48:17] <DeHackEd> all users shall set an upload rate that is neither too low nor too high. those who set it too low shall be shunned. those who set it too high shall be laughed at as they ping timeout.
[04:49:10] <burris> Well if he died while coding it, he wouldn't have bothered to printf "arrrrgrghhhhh!" he would have just said it.
[04:49:21] <TheSHAD0W> And yea, the linux distro creators rejoice, while the MPAA and RIAA fall to the void...
[04:49:46] <DHE> setting to unlimimted it right out!
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[05:27:05] <K`Tetch> but you can set it to the unlaiden airspeed of a swallow
[05:31:34] * DHE consults the Book of Protocols
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[08:46:59] <burris> zooko is getting boingboinged!
[08:54:08] <_rafi_> somewhat serious issue in 2.0 .. any dev arround ?
[08:54:12] <_rafi_> uT
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[09:08:52] <chelz> so he is http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/05/tahoe-lafs-a-p2p-fil.html
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[15:34:54] <thomas_sch> heyho got a question the info_hash prameter is the sha1 hash of the bencoded info value from the torrent file right? so what do i have to sha1sum if i got infod4:name3:foo12:piece lengthi1337:pieces2:aa7:privatei0eee
[15:36:55] <The_8472> it's the binary sha1 though, not the hex representation
[15:37:21] <The_8472> infohash = sha1(bencode(bdecode(torrent)["info"]))
[15:39:27] <thomas_sch> thx The_8472
[15:40:32] <alus> thomas_sch: whatcha workin' on?
[15:41:00] <thomas_sch> alus: i write a small torrent client in python for my android just for fun and as poc
[15:41:22] <alus> the android runs python? :O
[15:41:37] <The_8472> you could base it on bittornado
[15:41:41] <The_8472> should save you a lot of work
[15:42:14] <thomas_sch> The_8472: no to big for my taste i just want it small and easy
[15:42:28] <thomas_sch> alus not native :(
[15:42:31] <The_8472> tornado is too big? oO
[15:42:34] <alus> ... like your mom?
[15:42:39] <alus> >.>
[15:43:17] <thomas_sch> but there is ase alus
[15:43:29] <alus> ase?
[15:43:38] <thomas_sch> android scripting enviroment
[15:43:45] <alus> woah
[15:43:46] <thomas_sch> you can write bash,python,perl and so on
[15:43:53] <alus> oh
[15:44:09] <thomas_sch> i love python and i can write while i'm on the road ;) on the phone!
[15:44:30] <alus> well that's neat
[15:44:55] <alus> now if only you could write software to make the android have responsive multitouch ;)
[15:45:21] <thomas_sch> yeah but on maemo i don't need ase :P but i was to cheap to pay 100? more
[15:45:27] <thomas_sch> lol
[15:50:28] <alus> maemo is a phone?
[15:50:32] <alus> their website is horrible
[15:51:01] <alus> broken looking on Chrome, even. so probably Safari too
[15:51:10] <thomas_sch> alus: no
[15:51:17] <thomas_sch> it's a phone os
[15:51:28] <thomas_sch> the n900 has the maemo os on it
[15:51:43] <thomas_sch> chroma and safari? wth?
[15:51:49] <thomas_sch> chrome+
[15:52:23] <thomas_sch> oh and btw alus
[15:52:30] <thomas_sch> your mother jokes are so yesterday
[15:52:37] <mpl> alus: uh? nothing that bad here in chrome.
[15:55:57] <alus> mpl: top right corner. you don't see a white rectangle hovering over "GO" on the login prompt?
[15:56:17] <alus> and some of the buttons disappear when you hover
[15:56:35] <kjetilho> nope
[15:56:46] <alus> oh, this time only half the page loaded!
[15:56:51] <kjetilho> (Firefox 3.0.x here)
[15:57:08] <kjetilho> eh, 3.5.6.
[15:57:21] <alus> uh, clicking "GO" on the login prompt with blank credentials seems to *change the homepage to a login screen*
[15:57:31] <alus> not go to a new page
[15:57:35] <alus> now https://maemo.org/ is a login page
[15:57:38] <alus> oh, s
[15:58:04] * alus backs slowly away from the site
[15:58:42] <kjetilho> you need to fix your browser, I think :)
[15:59:08] <alus> other sites work fine :P
[15:59:20] <alus> they're obviously trying to pull some trick
[16:00:24] <kjetilho> Chrome has problems with lots of sites, not sure who's to blame, though
[16:00:46] * kjetilho doesn't have Chromium installed here, so can't try it
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[16:01:36] <alus> it might have sounded for a second like I was advocating Chrome.
[16:01:38] <alus> I am not
[16:01:46] <alus> it is very slow with multiple tabs
[16:02:12] <alus> same disappearing buttons with Firefox - their hover does not work correctly until the hover image has loaded
[16:03:12] <alus> IE does not have the white box, but it has a single white pixel where the box is
[16:03:24] <alus> looks like they only test on Firefox
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[16:03:49] <alus> way to make a website that the majority of the web finds ugly
[16:03:49] <kjetilho> I tried it in a page where you can try different IE versions, it looked fine in all of them
[16:04:02] <alus> look to the right of the top GO button
[16:04:04] <alus> closely
[16:04:34] <mpl> alus: ah sorry, I had the nokia page for the n900 in my head, had it confused with the maemo site.
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[16:04:41] <mpl> alus: yes, I have those glitches as well.
[16:04:55] <kjetilho> alus: I'm not seeing it
[16:05:22] <alus> kjetilho: link to this site?
[16:05:37] <kjetilho> http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer/index.php
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[16:06:24] <alus> kjetilho: it's there
[16:06:42] <kjetilho> what?
[16:06:47] <alus> the white pixel
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[16:07:13] <alus> in IE8 it is to the right of the button kind of near the middle. in IE7 it is to the right in the top corner
[16:08:03] <kjetilho> oh my.  I see a single white pixel at the bottom left of Username
[16:08:19] <kjetilho> yes, that's a *real* eyesore </sarcasm>
[16:08:36] <alus> well whatever trick they're trying to pull there causes a big white box on Chrome
[16:08:49] <alus> indicating that it is not a browser problem, but a stupid web developer problem
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[16:27:23] <The_8472> <alus> way to make a website that the majority of the web finds ugly <- if they test on firefox then the majority of the web won't find it ugly :P
[16:33:20] <alus> sorry?
[16:33:24] <alus> firefox is < 50%
[16:34:31] <alus> it often allows you to do things that don't really work on other browsers. so you make a site which looks great in firefox, and it looks like crap everywhere else
[16:34:33] <The_8472> well, according to some statistics they have the largest market share in germany. but true, still <50%
[16:35:01] <kjetilho> I don't think a single white pixel is enough to make people find it ugly
[16:35:19] <alus> that's just on IE. on Chrome (and I'm willing to bet Safari), it's a big white box
[16:35:24] <The_8472> svg, mathml, canvas, css transforms <3
[16:35:36] <alus> who cares about technologies you can't really use
[16:35:38] <The_8472> if you'd just code for firefox you could make awesome web applications
[16:35:44] <kjetilho> since when did Chrome and Safari add up to over 50%?
[16:36:01] <alus> who wants to make a web application? if the user has to install something anyway, install a desktop application
[16:36:39] <kjetilho> alus: Google disagrees, and Microsoft is scared shitless
[16:36:46] <alus> kjetilho: point is it does not render as they intended anywhere else. don't make me go find another more serious problem in IE
[16:37:54] <alus> kjetilho: Google does not disagree. http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/
[16:38:13] <The_8472> alus, i'm actually not really a fan of web applications. but i find the technologies very interesting. in some areas they can do more than some gui toolkits
[16:38:39] <alus> The_8472: what? how can a web technology do more than the toolkit it's implemented in?
[16:39:28] <kjetilho> alus: huh?  that project aims to make a desktop application run cross-platform inside the browser
[16:39:37] <The_8472> mathml? i just don't see gtk having built-in support for displaying equations
[16:39:44] <alus> kjetilho: yes, because browsers are pointless shells
[16:39:50] <The_8472> svg ... animated vector graphics
[16:40:53] <The_8472> css (and css-transforms)... most gui toolkits are only slowly approaching a declarative way of creating and styling interfaces
[16:40:55] <alus> kjetilho: what we have learned is that HTML+CSS+JS is slow and clunky. some people skip this crap and use Flash. very slowly the web will transition to just using real native applciations again
[16:41:13] <alus> only in a sandbox
[16:41:21] <kjetilho> alus: hahaha, that's the exact opposite of what's happening
[16:41:25] <The_8472> so from a technology perspective those things are nifty
[16:41:35] <alus> kjetilho: ok, you believe that.
[16:42:52] <The_8472> http://www.kittyhell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/hello-kitty-chainsaw.jpg
[16:43:10] <alus> no fun if it doesn't run
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[16:54:23] <deltab> alus: the distinction is disappearing, though: apps like Ubuntu Software Centre and iTunes fetch data from the web and render it using HTML
[16:59:40] <alus> deltab: those apps are backward. they don't realize that their own toolkit is better and easier than HTML
[17:00:08] <alus> deltab: but they did realize it for their primary function, which I guess is a good sign
[17:03:08] <The_8472> for some things html/css is better than toolkits
[17:04:29] <The_8472> getting floated images in running text with embedded formulas, text styles, bullet lists for example... try to do that with regular widgets
[17:05:00] <The_8472> if you can just include a html renderer in your app on the other hand it's trivial
[17:05:50] <alus> however anyone doing anything serious there will say PDF is better
[17:06:14] <alus> or Flash, depending
[17:06:38] <The_8472> hrrm... pdef and flash integration is horrible though
[17:06:42] <The_8472> *pdf
[17:07:18] <The_8472> or practically non-existent *points at the linux environment*
[17:07:29] <alus> integration with what
[17:07:35] <The_8472> gui toolkits
[17:08:05] <alus> oh of course. I'm just saying if a UI toolkit is not the tool for your job, many people would say PDF or Flash before they would say HTML
[17:08:10] <The_8472> i'm talking about rendering this kind of stuff within your application, and having your app interact with the data
[17:08:24] <alus> oh
[17:08:35] <alus> I wasn't talking about that
[17:09:42] <The_8472> and imo pdf is only good for displaying things, at everything else it fails, at least adobe's pdf reader
[17:10:03] <The_8472> i mean... even copy&paste is a pain
[17:10:10] <The_8472> or the forms...
[17:10:36] <The_8472> pdf is only good for accurate representation, not interactive things
[17:14:08] <alus> I totally agree
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[17:14:16] <alus> I think it's even crap for accurate representation
[17:14:23] <alus> but people seem to like it
[17:14:59] <alus> it might have sounded for a second like I was advocating PDF and/or Flash.
[17:15:04] <alus> I am not
[17:15:09] <The_8472> good good
[17:16:39] <The_8472> i think the whole html environment is pretty good. it can't do every fine detail to 100% accuracy, but it's very versatile, it's an open environment and if you can stick to a specific renderer it's very powerful
[17:17:03] <The_8472> and it's different from all what the regular widgets in GUI toolkits provide
[17:17:14] <alus> it seems pointlessly crippled to me
[17:17:27] <alus> you can't just render some pixels efficiently
[17:17:52] <alus> or make classes of objects
[17:17:53] <The_8472> html has no tree views (at least not without a shitload of work), gui toolkits can't display formulas, style text or layout documents well
[17:18:14] <alus> but you could always build a little class in a ui toolkit which allows you to layout formulas
[17:18:15] <The_8472> with canvas you can render pixels
[17:18:24] <alus> not quickly
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[17:18:35] <alus> you can't render video on a canvas, for example
[17:18:53] <The_8472> well, have your gui toolkit's canvas-equivalent render it then and then just dump it into a html canvas ^^
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[17:19:00] <The_8472> then use the video tag
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[17:19:53] <The_8472> http://www.zachstronaut.com/lab/isocube.html <-
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[17:20:22] <The_8472> (use ff3.5 to view it)
[17:22:28] <The_8472> it even transforms the controls of the video <3
[17:22:36] <alus> that cube is wrought with clipping errors
[17:22:50] <mpl> 16:03 < alus> it might have sounded for a second like I was advocating Chrome.
[17:22:53] <alus> and the text jiggles around when you highlight it
[17:22:54] <mpl> 17:17 < alus> it might have sounded for a second like I was advocating PDF and/or Flash.
[17:22:58] <mpl> :)
[17:23:24] <The_8472> of course, it's new technology. but still... you can get that with a few lines of html and css
[17:23:37] <alus> I can get that with a few lines of OpenGL too
[17:23:46] <The_8472> you can't copy&paste text from opengl
[17:24:00] <The_8472> or use the video controls to skip forward/backwards through the video ^^
[17:24:11] <alus> I don't see video controls on this
[17:24:19] <The_8472> rightclick -> view video controls
[17:24:58] <mpl> speaking of html to do stuff, I like w3c's Slidy, that is when I get bored with LaTeX.
[17:25:06] <alus> oh, this is that mysterious <video> tag I heard so much about 5 years ago
[17:25:25] <The_8472> it's fully controllable via javascript too
[17:25:36] <alus> that thing that Google Video decided wasn't widely supported enough to use
[17:25:45] <The_8472> youtube supports it now
[17:26:00] <alus> whaaat
[17:26:13] <mpl> while sticking to h.264, which pisses of the mozilla dudes.
[17:26:18] <The_8472> yeah ^^
[17:26:19] <mpl> s/of/off/
[17:26:30] <The_8472> but one side will have to relent eventually
[17:26:30] <alus> when does it use it?
[17:26:42] <The_8472> some beta mode of youtube
[17:26:44] <mpl> alus: you just go to youtube.com/html5
[17:26:57] <alus> oh, beta
[17:26:58] <mpl> alus: you enable it, it works only with chrome (on linux).
[17:27:12] <alus> hahaha
[17:27:15] <alus> no thanks, then.
[17:27:19] <mpl> alus: and then it will pick the html5 version if there's one available for a given vid.
[17:27:51] <mpl> a lot of them are already "converted"
[17:27:51] <The_8472> anyway, it'll come eventually
[17:28:02] <alus> if I wanted to play video in linux, I would start up a vm and install Fedora and them install mplayer and probably watch it crash and then install vlc and then probably watch the video up-side-down or green
[17:28:31] <The_8472> hrrm? mplayer works
[17:28:45] <mpl> The_8472: obvious troll is obvious.
[17:29:15] <The_8472> alus, my point is that a html renderer complements traditional gui toolkits well
[17:31:05] <alus> not in a way I have found to be seamless
[17:31:22] <alus> any time an app does it, it's like they are slapping you in the face with their ignorance
[17:32:18] <The_8472> it needs work, yes
[17:33:00] <deltab> I didn't realise Software Centre was using HTML until I looked at the source code
[17:33:48] <The_8472> one mistake is loading the html from a webserver for example. then you have a local gui with the expected responsiveness and suddenly you get an ajax-loading .gif ...
[17:33:52] <The_8472> that's just jarring
[17:34:30] <The_8472> but if you render things locally and just use html/etc as a vehicle for representation then it's a nice way to render things
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[17:37:41] <alus> and you need to match fonts, and not make the html canvas look like a big box
[17:38:19] <The_8472> yep
[17:38:36] <alus> and make the right click menus have interesting stuff in them, instead of just "this is some text?" stuff
[17:38:38] <The_8472> same color scheme as your UI and all
[17:40:06] <deltab> you can render video on a canvas, by the way: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/connecting-html5-video/
[17:40:24] <The_8472> technology is converging. gui toolkits are discovering the declarative approach, either via closures or via xml/css files and html is discovering more and more event-driven gui design with javascript frameworks
[17:41:16] <alus> deltab: that's just the video tag, no?
[17:42:45] <The_8472> they're demonstrating video+canvas inside the video ^^
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[17:44:11] <deltab> more-obvious canvas use: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/pop-art-video/
[17:44:57] <alus> that's pretty 1995
[17:45:12] <alus> show me real-time pixel pushing. animations and such
[17:45:15] <alus> transitions
[17:45:19] <alus> the genie effect
[17:46:44] <The_8472> transparency works too
[17:48:52] <The_8472> they're just not using it in the demo
[17:49:14] <deltab> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/WebGL/Animating_textures_in_WebGL
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[18:10:48] <alus> hahah WebGL
[18:13:26] <alus> so now you guys are talking about technologies which are not actually available yet in Firefox, let alone the rest of the web
[18:13:45] <alus> and which do not surpass desktop applications
[18:14:02] <alus> so if everyone has to download a new application anyway...
[18:14:33] <The_8472> i think you misunderstood me
[18:14:38] <The_8472> i'm not a fan of webapps
[18:15:31] <The_8472> it's more about how the technology is nice and complementary to what regular gui toolkits do
[18:16:41] <alus> WebGL is just like GL
[18:16:54] <alus> except probably crippled in some ways I haven't learned about yet
[18:18:37] <The_8472> <The_8472> technology is converging. gui toolkits are discovering the declarative approach, either via closures or via xml/css files and html is discovering more and more event-driven gui design with javascript frameworks
[18:19:39] <alus> you call it converging, I call it expunging the ideas which were bad to begin with
[18:21:20] <The_8472> well, it's still two different approaches that are coverging, each of them losing some disadvantages in the process
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[18:50:30] <_rafi_> ehem... alus, is it possible your rate control is doing this ? -> http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4408/16513320.png
[18:51:50] <_rafi_> (with & without...)
[18:52:38] <_rafi_> my poor simgle-ISPcache-peer... ;)
[18:52:45] <_rafi_> *single
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[22:09:17] <_rafi_> Switeck: http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?pid=450666#p450666
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[22:11:22] <Switeck> yep, seems udp trackers are *HORRIBLY BROKEN*!
[22:12:30] <Switeck> ...either that, or uTorrent v2.0 stable is. :P (or both!)
[22:13:19] <_rafi_> broken or not - the numbers should be consistent in both the trackers' tab and the main view
[22:13:36] <_rafi_> after the are - we can debate about correctiveness...
[22:15:08] <_rafi_> if they don't match - the assumption should be that at least part of uT is buggy .
[22:17:52] <_rafi_> most people seem to have gone site seeing surely to somwhere more attractive then here...
[22:18:21] <_rafi_> you should too, Switeck :)
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