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[02:09:03] <DWKnight> iinet won
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[02:16:07] <DWKnight> http://excesscopyright.blogspot.com/2010/02/isp-beats-hollywood-in-oz-iinet.html
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[03:41:06] <Harold_parker> FUCKYEAH
[03:41:06] <Harold_parker> http://www.efa.org.au/2010/02/04/sanity-prevails-iinet-did-not-authorise-its-users-infringements/
[03:42:15] <K`Tetch> http://torrentfreak.com/movie-studios-lose-landmark-case-against-aussie-isp-100204/
[03:42:49] <Harold_parker> :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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[05:12:32] <charles> hydri, alus: congrats on 2.0 :)
[05:15:03] <K`Tetch> I need to update my copy of 2.1
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[07:32:07] <fjl9> hey, not sure if this question is right, but here goes: in Transmission, the status bar hasn't *quite* reached full (it's 99% full) - despite it telling me that it has completed 100%. does this mean it's checking or something?
[07:32:16] <fjl9> or that it's just a graphical bug of some sort
[07:32:55] <Switeck> Try that again in the #transmission channel? XD
[07:33:03] <ryanprior> Transmission is a buggy POS. There's your answer to that and all Transmission-related questions.
[07:33:39] <fjl9> Switeck, ah, thanks.
[07:34:00] <fjl9> Meh, it works for me. I haven't run across any salient bugs
[07:34:01] <Switeck> ...good thing I didn't typo the link.
[07:34:42] <chelz> it might just be me, but transmission always felt slower than other torrent clients i've used. i suspected it had something to do with the default values for dealing with peers
[07:35:15] <ryanprior> Transmission's handling of torrent streams is a mess, and it just gets worse from there with UI glitches, networking bugs, extensibility, etc.
[07:35:59] <chelz> ;/
[07:36:03] <chelz> that's unfortunate
[07:36:24] <chelz> seems like the most promising OSS candidate for 'joe user' over utorrent
[07:36:55] <Switeck> At least they corrected the reconnect bugs I noted.
[07:36:57] <chelz> but utorrent seems to work fine and dandy for a ton of people. so maybe it doesn't matter that much.
[07:37:01] <fjl9> what client do you suggest for a linux system? rtorrent?
[07:37:07] <chelz> i use rtorrent myself
[07:37:13] <chelz> still need to setup rutorrent
[07:37:19] <Switeck> What's your opinion of Deluge?
[07:37:31] <ryanprior> I'm a Deluge user. I like it and recommend it.
[07:37:40] <Switeck> OS?
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[07:37:45] <chelz> i haven't really used it but it seems like a good client for people that don't like all there is in Az and want more than Transmission
[07:37:49] <ryanprior> I'm also a libtorrent-rasterbar user in general.
[07:38:06] <Switeck> I've heard it may have issues on some OSes...but never heard much details about which OS. :P
[07:38:10] <ryanprior> I'm on GNU.
[07:38:42] <chelz> ryanprior: what distro?
[07:38:51] <ryanprior> chelz: Ubuntu
[07:38:56] <chelz> ah nice
[07:38:57] <chelz> same
[07:39:01] <alus> GNU is not an OS
[07:39:17] <chelz> one thing Transmission is really good at is integrating with Mac OS X. it handles stuff like magnet links and dealing with the firewall amazingly
[07:39:23] <ryanprior> alus: GNU is not UNIX, but it is an OS. >.>
[07:39:40] <chelz> eh GNU is a set of userland tools which are combined with a kernel to form an OS
[07:39:54] <fjl9> more people are likely to construe it as the Hurd kernel when you say GNU I think
[07:39:56] <alus> GNU/Linux is not a thing
[07:40:03] <alus> ask Linus
[07:40:06] <chelz> haha
[07:40:14] <chelz> the debian folks are pretty sure it's something
[07:41:05] <alus> "Well, I think it's justified, but it's justified if you actually make a GNU distribution of Linux ... the same way that I think that "Red Hat Linux" is fine, or "SuSE Linux" or "Debian Linux", because if you actually make your own distribution of Linux, you get to name the thing, but calling Linux in general "GNU Linux" I think is just ridiculous."
[07:43:21] <takeda> is there a reason why this channel still doesn't have an OP?
[07:43:31] <alus> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus "Ubuntu has become one of the most highly regarded Linux distributions"
[07:43:58] <ryanprior> I'm not a kernel programmer and I don't write low-level software. My computer would work just the same if I swapped out Linux for HURD or win32. The software environment I interact with is GNU, so I say I'm on a GNU system.
[07:44:17] <alus> ok, and you use Firefox for your internet then?
[07:44:24] <alus> has someone sent you a Facebook?
[07:44:36] <alus> you should totally listen to the lastest iTune! it's amazin
[07:45:30] <ryanprior> Someone who uses Facebook is a Facebook user, not an HTTP/IP user. Facebook is the user-facing software. The rest is just internals.
[07:45:31] <alus> that Steve Jobs guy really knows how to make music!
[07:45:41] <chelz> takeda: "* ChanServ gives channel operator status to DeHack Ed"
[07:45:43] <alus> HTTP/IP IS NOT A THING
[07:45:47] <alus> please stop using computers
[07:46:13] <chelz> i want to buy the internet with the google.
[07:46:41] <chelz> alus: let people call stuff what they want if it's not part of a serious technical situation
[07:46:41] <alus> my friend bought one of those! they're so light
[07:47:02] <takeda> chelz: so I'm assuming Bram didn't get to an agreemen with IRC ops? :/
[07:47:24] <chelz> i'm fine with people calling stuff w/e and with other people politely encouraging others to call stuff what they think it should be called. we all have ways to block stuff on computers if we really don't want to see it
[07:48:14] <chelz> takeda: i'm not sure about channel ownership being granted to a regular, but i mentioned that as evidence that people are able to op themselves if it's needed. like a spammer showing up
[07:48:44] <ryanprior> alus: TCP/IP derp
[07:49:30] <takeda> chelz: oh I see :) thx
[07:50:27] <chelz> takeda: /msg chanserv info #bittorrent
[07:50:39] <chelz> takeda: says the owner is freenode-staff. so yeah, that still needs resolving
[07:51:11] <chelz> i like the idea of having a person that's reputable and actually present in the channel own it
[07:52:42] <takeda> yeah
[07:52:50] <takeda> what does "Last used  : Mar 11 18:51:03 2004 (5 years, 47 weeks, 1 day, 12:01:09 ago)" mean in respect to channel?
[07:53:52] <chelz> chanserv didn't give me that line. it might be the last time its chanserv stuff was modified.
[07:58:43] <TheSHAD0W> uTorrent 2.0 just released.
[08:01:58] <chelz> snap
[08:02:27] <Switeck> On Friday, uTorrent v2.0 goes on auto-update to people still running pre v2.0 -- this means after that time a huge number of peers/seeds will start using uTP outgoing connections by default.
[08:03:25] <Switeck> They will "fall back" to regular TCP mode if the UDP-based uTP connection fails.
[08:04:01] <chelz> does 2 include the streaming stuff?
[08:04:14] <Switeck> no, that's in v2.1 (or later)
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[08:11:37] <chelz> ah, well that'll be interesting
[08:11:57] <chelz> wait so utorrent is going to try to use uTP even with non-uT clients?
[08:12:07] <Switeck> yes
[08:12:25] <Switeck> Except some UDP activity on your incoming port. XD
[08:12:38] <Switeck> doh! typo...Expect
[08:13:06] <Switeck> lesdexia kicking in.
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[08:23:56] <chelz> yeah that's going to be interesting
[08:25:29] <alus> why?
[08:25:36] <alus> it already does a lot of that with DHT traffic
[08:25:56] <alus> and with TCP for that matter, if you can't accept incoming connections
[08:28:38] <chelz> i'm thinking in terms of if/when other clients are going to start supporting it
[08:28:53] <alus> oh, good question!
[08:28:56] <alus> asap, imho
[08:29:50] <alus> uTP is good for the internet
[08:30:02] <alus> and not harmful for BitTorrent!
[08:30:04] <alus> win-win
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[08:43:00] <chelz> a fork of rtorrent would be good
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[09:23:40] <alus> why a fork?
[09:25:46] <chelz> some really crucial features just don't get added since the single dev claims to not have time or doesn't have time
[09:25:52] <chelz> magnet links for example
[09:26:39] <chelz> the magnet link bug has patches on it updated for newer rtorrent releases that people can apply, but they just don't get included. no idea why not.
[09:26:42] <chelz> bugs are open for years
[09:27:09] <chelz> i suspect it might be the original author wanting to maintain total control of the codebase, so letting another dev on isn't an option
[09:32:21] <alus> well, it's GPL, right?
[09:33:26] <alus> the author does not have total control. make rtorrent2 and leave him behind
[09:33:49] <alus> you don't even have to code, you just have to accept patches
[09:34:19] <chelz> eh i'm not so into investing that time just yet
[09:35:06] <chelz> i do hope that someone else steps up though. it's gonna be a while before i know C++ well enough to manage a project like rtorrent
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[09:51:32] <alus> did you see my point where I said you don't have to code
[09:52:23] <alus> if you really could code and you wanted to dive in to an open source project, wouldn't you start your own?
[09:52:27] <chelz> alus: i wouldn't feel good about endorsing something i don't really understand. if i'm maintaining something i should at least know if something malicious is trying to be added by someone
[09:52:35] <chelz> perhaps
[09:52:43] <alus> well, put patches up for review
[09:52:58] <alus> get at least one or two trusted reviewers to give it the thumbs up
[09:53:02] <alus> publically
[09:54:05] <chelz> yeah that could work
[09:54:27] <chelz> but still two things, i need more time and a better name than "rtorrent2"
[09:55:20] <alus> may I suggest "rtorrent"
[09:55:26] <alus> there are two libtorrents
[09:58:29] <chelz> hahah
[09:58:55] <chelz> another sort of rtorrent+1 would be "storrent" but i think that's taken
[09:59:25] <alus> or rtorrent-ng
[09:59:31] <chelz> ah that would be good
[09:59:32] <chelz> a joke name could be calling it "rakasha"
[09:59:37] <alus> or grtorrent
[09:59:42] <alus> or urtorrent
[09:59:53] <alus> (g like gnu, u like uTorrent)
[10:00:17] <alus> (even if it's not gnu! gnu does not have a copyright on the letter g)
[10:00:25] <alus> (trademark?)
[10:00:30] <kjetilho> nuTorrent
[10:01:15] <alus> arrrtorrent
[10:01:57] <kjetilho> hehe, nice
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[10:04:44] <chelz> then a fork of that would be yarrrtorrent
[10:06:53] <alus> or harrrtorrent
[10:08:19] <kjetilho> just add more r's
[10:08:31] <kjetilho> arrrrrrtorrent
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[10:11:17] <mpl> picotorrent
[10:12:43] <chelz> sharetorrent, newtorrent, nottorrent, notutorrent
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[13:50:58] <PureEvilMoron> Hello.
[13:51:14] <PureEvilMoron> Why did you add skins for that jJTorrent?
[13:53:30] <PureEvilMoron> In some fonts, jJ looks pretty much like mu
[13:54:03] <PureEvilMoron> so I use jJ for that letter
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[14:14:39] <alus> wtf
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[15:11:24] <DWKnight> one of these days, I'm going to break down and re-code CBTT's core from scratch
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[15:40:48] <TheSHAD0W> [sarcasm-punctuation-mark]torrent
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[16:32:32] <TheSHAD0W> http://www.thelocal.se/24784/20100204
[16:34:36] <skampler> :)
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[17:29:54] <fjl9> hey guys - yesterday I mentioned that I used Transmission, and everyone said that sucked. I've just now installed Deluge -- if I had running torrents in Transmission, and I now start Deluge and just load open the .torrent files again and choose the same download location as I had used on Trasmission, the downloads should resume without a problem, right?
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[18:38:36] <burris> arrrrrtorrent would be a great name for an implementation, if you didn't live in the usa
[18:48:13] <fjl9> why does usa always get ragged on
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[18:48:21] <fjl9> start targeting your angst at china or au!
[18:48:55] <fjl9> ok fine, maybe not china, since its own gov't probably advocates piracy
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[19:25:40] <erdgeist> hey, 1059*8
[19:31:58] <The_8472> hello gaia
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[20:33:46] <deltab> The Culture Show on BBC2 now has an item on filesharing
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